Dare anyone to approach them about something and offer to pay in XPY.... They're probably all "Top 100" address HODLers on the rich list! |
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Not sure but if people file chargebacks against the ex-resellers that will screw us badly. Most resellers had to wire money to GAW or use BTC to buy stock so we have no way to charge most of that back to GAW. Something to keep in mind. I understand that, but you resellers need to be putting together a class action suit already in hopes of getting paid out of SEC activities. It sucks to be in the middle, but you did sell the 'product.' So... why don't you resellers get together with the defrauded customers (GAW defrauded) and jointly register a class action against GAW Miners and Stu? Believe me, I know it sucks to be a reseller in that position, but part of being a reseller is deciding what to sell. We're considering our options at this point, but chargebacks will hit us NOW. Filing charges against GAW means we get in line to collect "anything" which won't be much when it's all said and done. Again, I know it totally sucks and would not want to be in the position of a reseller right now. But, there are people on hashtalk who have already been begging for help with paying personal bills because they counted on Garza's scam... sure... they should never have invested what they couldn't afford to loose, but ALSO Garza should never have advertised them as "always profitable", "never expires" and then moved them to a coin with a "$20 floor".... that's why the SEC has their knickers in a knot. So, there are a lot of people who have ALREADY been hit. But, if customers win their charge backs, the resellers have a right to all the information provided to the banks.... the resellers just need to package that into a civil case and it's pretty much a slam dunk because the dispute is no longer about hashtakers(?) but the fact that you sold a product based on GAW Miner claims, GAW Miner fucked up so bad customers were awarded charge backs, so now you need to get your money back from GAW. In that action, you don't need to prove squat about GAW. You only need to prove that you didn't represent the product in anyway beyond what GAW claimed. |
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A little birdie told me that Josh granted 328% equity across all parties... Now he still has 22% equity to give away in order to reach the 350% staking rate of his prime controllers... isn't that how companies work???
Just don't tell Rashadh! |
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Not sure but if people file chargebacks against the ex-resellers that will screw us badly. Most resellers had to wire money to GAW or use BTC to buy stock so we have no way to charge most of that back to GAW. Something to keep in mind. I understand that, but you resellers need to be putting together a class action suit already in hopes of getting paid out of SEC activities. It sucks to be in the middle, but you did sell the 'product.' So... why don't you resellers get together with the defrauded customers (GAW defrauded) and jointly register a class action against GAW Miners and Stu? Believe me, I know it sucks to be a reseller in that position, but part of being a reseller is deciding what to sell. |
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It's not religion that blinds and binds them, it's greed.
"agreed"  Absolutely, but religion and money have always been pretty close bed mates. The holy roller, evangelical, and fundamentalist strands of every religion since time immemorial have been the preferred vehicle for chicanery, fraud, scams, etc. Religion is all about **belief** usually most popular in the face of adverse reality. So it is not hard for the con man to use religion for his or her own purposes as has happened throughout recorded history and will probably keep happening. That is not to say that religion is necessarily bad, but that those who put their faith in a personification of religion (church leader) need to watch their wallets and try to separate faith and belief from fiction. Unfortunately more than wallets... Jonestown was a guy that wanted to get into politics and used christianity as a way raise up a group of rabel-rousers to show his influence.. not a lot of people survived Jonestown. The problem is that the Bible is easily cherry picked to support any cause. I'm sure there are those who feel that this thread is 'persecution' and that persecution is a sign that they're doing the right thing and 'the enemy' is against them. That's how you get statement to the effect that (paraphase) "Wow, we must be scaring the bejeezus out of the big banks, look at how they're attacking all the GAW sites! Dig deep folks, buy more XPY!" ... when the sad reality is that the GAW sites are just badly built and run like crap. |
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btw, is this a record pages thread or there were longer than this? one thing i know for sure - it's the most funny one, sadly (or not) I learned about crypto after gaw was going all full ponzi  Actually, I've been wondering if there isn't a way to archive off this entire thread somewhere... "just in case". It's good to know that the operators of the site will stand up for the thread, but... it would still be sad to see this thread lost. |
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Here's the actual patent: https://www.google.com.hk/patents/US8656049Some of the images include the code, and the image 12 is the flow chart. This wouldn't go far in a court. All it takes is one person with knowledge, and it gets invalidated right away. Okay, that language actually looks like it was written by some sort of early AI language generator. If you read the linked page, it makes absolutely NO SENSE. How in the world did this get granted? |
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It's quite clear they struggled when they were not able to control the message.
Add to that the legal reps were pretty much worthless.
Quite the cocktail of ineptitude and incomprehension.
Well, when everyone is getting paid in XPY... what sort of attorneys do you think they'd have? |
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That whole email is deemed invalid since the lawyer dont even know how to stipulate a date.
From the email - "My law firm represents GAW Miners, LLC (“GAW”). On November 22, 2104 ...."
Reeks of Garza spelling errors.
NO... they are just THAT innovative and THAT far ahead of their time! Hashtards will luv it! |
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 riiiiiight  I am buying the entire build hit space here in the use for 100k a megawatt. Everything, power, shelving, etc, and about 1 cent a kW
Josh
So you have energy and space to sell?
I may have customers for that
Regards
Juan Garavaglia
112 Bit LLC
1-888-261-6697
http://112bit.com
1111 Lincoln Road
4th Floor
Miami Beach FL 33139
On Sep 11, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Josh Garza <josh@btc.com> wrote:
> Perhaps it makes sense to partner, it's here in the US
> On Sep 11, 2014 8:12 AM, "jg@112bit.com" <jg@112bit.com> wrote:
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> Josh
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> I cant share details about Bitmain or other customer/partner sorry.
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> If you have 100 MW at 0.01 cent we cant compete.
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> Regards
>
> Juan Garavaglia
> 112 Bit LLC
> 1-888-261-6697
> http://112bit.com
> 1111 Lincoln Road
> 4th Floor
> Miami Beach FL 33139
>
>
> On Sep 11, 2014, at 6:04 AM, Josh Garza <josh@btc.com> wrote:
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>> Meant to write less them 50k a mega watt
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>> On Thursday, September 11, 2014, Josh Garza <josh@btc.com> wrote:
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>> Are you guys going to use Bitmain?
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>> Also, before you commit. I am buying the entire build hit space here in the use for 100k a megawatt. Everything, power, shelving, etc, and about 1 cent a kW
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>> How does that compare?
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>> On Wednesday, September 10, 2014, Juan Garavaglia <jg@112bit.com> wrote:
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>> Hi Josh!
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>> I have been working with Landsvirkjun the state power company in Iceland and with the Iceland government in the last 2 months and was there to see the options.
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>> We may get up to 100 MW for mining at a competitive cost.
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>> Also there are different options to do the mining facility.
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>> I have contracts already signed with them and we can move forward fast if you need it, Bitfury has a facility there running all new with 9.6 MW.
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>> Let me know if there is any way we can cooperate I am more than happy.
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>> Regards
>>
>> Juan Garavaglia
>> 112 Bit LLC
>> 1-888-261-6697
>> https://112bit.com
>> Twitter @112bit
>> 1111 Lincoln Road 4th Floor
>> Miami Beach FL 33139
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>> On Sep 10, 2014, at 1:28 PM, Josh Garza <josh@btc.com> wrote:
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>>> Interesting timing. I am in the 11th hour on a few choices of places. Would love to hear that you have going on Juan
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Garza
>>> CEO
>>> GAW Corp
>>> 34 E. Dudley Town Rd.
>>> Bloomfield, CT 06002
>>>
>>> Direct Line: 413-206-2500
>>> Josh@gaw.com
>>> www.GAW.com
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Scott Fargo <talontech1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> HI Josh,
>>> I was not kidding about knowing where to put the new data center.
>>>
>>> Juan Garavaglia of 112bit has secured 60MW in Iceland for data centers and mining farms.
>>> I have let him know you are looking for a new location.
>>> Juan is one of the people I trust totally and is very skilled in making sure everything is the best and works appropriately. I know you have worked with him before and this would be an excellent next step in your relationship.
>>> I hope this helps in your search for a new data center.
>>> Let me know if you need any further info or help,
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> --
>>> Scott Fargo
>>> Head Of Mining News Dept.
>>> CryptoCoinsNews.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “The information contained in this email message may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient any use, distribution, disclosure or copying of this information is prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please tell us by return email and destroy this communication and any attachments from your system.”
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>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
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>> --
>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
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>> “The information contained in this email message may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient any use, distribution, disclosure or copying of this information is prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please tell us by return email and destroy this communication and a I notice that conversation was around Sep 11th... wonder if the RememberHashlets were a way to gen up funds to cover downpayment costs for his new data center? Where was his data center before that site? Did they walk out on those bills too? |
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These people have been so 'spun up' they have no clue as to where to even begin looking for a clue. This plays into Garza's poorly run operation that can't keep its own servers running for 15 days straight. There are so many competitors out there doing what they think is "not possible" right now, and those companies are doing it within most of the laws of the land. Garza really has been selling second-hand tech as if it's never been done before. I could list at least 5 companies doing exactly the things he says this coin will be innovative for doing. The only innovation he's managed is to fleece a larger group of people for more money than any other alt-coin to date. He can probably thank Stu and Mark for those innovations. |
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WOW... so, all those thousands of ripped off people may at least get their original purchase back... will they also get mining fees back? Talk about a major suck on the GAW revenue stream, bet their payment processor has dumped them like sour milk, so no new revenue stream there either. |
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Good morning everyone, let's get started.
We need to get a little exposure outside of this thread today. The HT guys are still in denial over there and do not realize the severity of Mr.CEOs actions. Wasting your time. The few that remain are not salvageable. True Kool-Aiders! Let them live in their real life Truman Show and we can keep the popcorn market afloat! Thats not entirely what I meant. I was just using them as an example that the current events are not reaching very far outside of this thread. It seems like there is more than enough stuff here for a few good news articles by at least somewhat respectable news sites. I'm just scared we are going to go through all this work only to have it forgotten when tomorrows/nexterdays GAW scandal breaks out(whatever this may be). Right now, it really is tabloid fodder... even though there is a lot of money involved in this scam, it's really a bunch of rich guys playing around with imaginary money and hoovering funds from some people who were not bright enough to get out sooner. There really is no 'news' story to it beyond gosip value. Stu's firm isn't particularly interesting, Garza is literally a nobody aside from this scam, paycoinFoundationChurchGuy wasn't a pastor or anything... so, if you want to gen up mainstream news reporting, you'll have to do it at the local market level and they're not going to spend time trying to understand that mess for a 2 minute news piece. |
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Something interesting here. I know that the initial Email from Josh came out a while back, but I do not recall seeing the replies that are here. Josh states flat out the the $20 Floor was a promise made to sell Paycoin and that it can not be honored, yet they intend to proceed anyways. FRAUD, plain and simple.
I think there are more emails related to this one, I will continue to chase these after the next coat of paint here.
 pretty sure price manipulation is a serious crime. I imagine the US 3 letter agencies are having a field day in this inbox right now The interesting thing about this thread.... aside from how it's better than any reality show on TV... is that the SEC is getting to see how Garza is going to defend himself over there on Hashtalk... he had an excuse for that email that made it not what it looks like it was saying... |
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Yesterday I was reading a discussion between Josh and one of the lawyers and he clearly stated that the Honors Program would not work, not just because of legality. Josh acknowledged this, and proceeded anyways. What imbeciles like ikeboy can not come to grips with is that Homero lies to EVERYONE, not just the suckers like him. He needed the GAW team(at least most of them) to believe that they were working on something real, when he knew full well it was all just a puff of smoke being used to buy more time to dump more XPY.
I will try to dredge that Email up again.
yeah, here's one of many emails From: Josh Garza < josh@gaw.com> To: Andy Beal < andy@crowleystrategy.com> Subject: Re: Paycoin price Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 01:57:09 -0500 Sender: josh@geniusesatwork.comLet's Brian invoked. That makes no sense. That's like taco bell saying we will sell you tacos and 10k show show up at 4 in the morning, and saying they have to open up and serve everyone person. So if a store runs a promotion that says you can buy a tv today for 500 bucks. And a guy comes in and ask for 1000 tvs, they have to provide them all? I could keep going, but I am not going to do it based on the reason you just sent. I may not agree with the realm, but it at least has to make sense. Let's also not forget that it's still questionable, asked a friend of my that has done legal work on this, whether or not our company is even bound to a commitment based on a personal Twitter post.....as those were the only ones that even actually said anything. he uses a similar not-applicable analogy using 'free coffee' in another document that wasnt published That was before Paybase launched. Well before there was any talk of the Honors Program. So he was definitely going to offer a $20 floor....just not for everyone. Garza is such a moron; that's not how a floor works. That is the tale of a VERY long thread of emails... they started on Dec 23rd and the customer was demanding his $20/XPY for his coins. He'd sent a list of archived web pages where garza had promised the $20 floor and Andy is trying to explain that they have to pay the guy off... at one point Garza goes all "well, we don't have any KYC or AML on this guy!" basically the whole thread is Andy trying to school what sounds like a cracked out idiot who's pissed for being called out on his promises. |
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This will be a real problem when Cryptsy finally realizes that the legal troubles of continued laundering of XPY will be way more costly than the profits of continued laundering of XPY!
Wish they'd just admit there's a total of five actual accounts trading back and forth between each other 99% of the time.
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A common theme I am seeing in these emails from Josh is that whenever he is challenged on his views, or when someone criticizes something he has done, Josh immediately turns to super sympathetic retorts like "I can't believe you are acting this way" or something like "I really don't like the way you are handling this" or "Are we not friends?"
It's really sad that he has to use this childish manipulation to get people on his side, rather than clearly explaining why something is right/wrong or why it will/won't work. Then again, it's the only tactic he has because he's clearly wrong every time.
I don't expect the feds will be as sympathetic as his business partners victims.
he does the same shit to his wife, as you can tell from the emails pure psychopathic behavior with no exceptions, even for his loved ones there is no such thing as "loved ones" for a psychopath. at best those he uses as cover/pretends to love. Well, when the guy is bragging about having multiple exotic cars.... yet his mom is begging for the difference between the $700 she has on hand and the $2,200 it's going to cost to get her teeth re-done.... AND, he's staying in hotel rooms at over $2k/night in Miami.... I'd say he's a definite bottom dweller. |
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They need this one also: |
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Good lord, someone send a link to that woman at the SEC... this is like a spawn of stupid level scamming. |
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