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321  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Help contacting Butterfly Labs on: October 26, 2013, 08:59:22 PM
If you send them an email asking where you order is, they will place your order at the back of the que.
No, I'm not kidding.

That's bullshit.

Yes it is bullshit, because it's a false statement.
322  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: October 26, 2013, 04:56:04 AM

@cedivad

As a hero member, you should know what the risks are in bitcoin land.  I didn't get KNC because I was uncomfortable with ordering  from another country.  I weighed the pros cons of HF and purchased a few BJ.   I am still hoping to get my bitcoins back.

I am more interested in getting these miniboards....  who cares about cases and power supplies.... I just want the miniboards. I will treat them like  the new GPU.


It is a too early to be talking law suits... jeeezz....  take a chil pill... smoke a joint.. have a drink... go get laid... something other then what you've been doing Wink

cedivad is refusing to listen to reason these days.

He's in a dissociative fugue state, unable to think rationally, so great is his pique and so massive his sense of entitlement.

Let cedivad bawl like a spoiled little girl told she's not getting a pony for Christmas.

Let him waste money on lawyers and time on premature FTC complaints.

Have a laugh at his expense as the brat sets his hair on fire and runs around screaming bloody murder.

When cedivad sobers up, he'll be embarrassed by his pathetic behavior. 

As he should be.  Mature adults don't melt down and go postal at the first hint of bad news or slight disappointment.

At least he didn't pull a major melt down like Xian... gotta give him props for that at the very least.

As far as exhausting the heat in the case, probably not the best idea, but not a fatal flaw if you have enough air flow in the case itself.  Sometimes you're constrained by the form factor on what you can do.  The best cooling solutions are often the most unwieldy and/or ugly.  Some people don't care about that, but a lot of people do... in fact, there's far more people that care about aesthetics than function, and if you don't believe me, take a look at Apple.  One of the richest companies out there (or the richest?), and it's all built on aesthetics as the primary motivator for their designs.

323  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Reliable? on: October 26, 2013, 12:08:02 AM
And... another ~1000 units shipped today.  1/3 of the entirety of KnC's shipment... in one day.
324  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Where are the new Custom Hardware vendors? on: October 25, 2013, 10:25:58 PM


There are no orders being shipped that were ordered a year ago, please stop spreading false information.  Our failure rate on hardware is less than 1%, much better than industry average, so again, your argument is invalid. 

Sorry, but if you consider 400 - 1000+ units shipped per day in this industry to be "few devices" you need to have your head examined.

For somebody who purports to ignore the prattle on bitcointalk you responded very quickly.  Please read carefully.  I said almost a year, not over 1 year.  If you're going to nitpick (which you do play semantics all the time) get it right.  My order was shipped with over a 1 year delay BTW.  I ordered in June 2012 and it shipped a few days short of 13 months.  Minirig owners did not see their full purchased hashing power for almost 14 months.

I doubt your failure rate is less than 1%.  Most computer hardware has rates exceeding that failure rate and admittedly no ASIC vendor would make such ridiculous claims.  I'm sure those ASICminer USB sticks are close to 2-3% and BFL is probably closer to 5% judging by what is said on the forums.  I can't fault the company or it's employees for having something break since we are human and the devices were assembled by human hands.  I can justly rail all I want for not getting a reply for 8 days for my RMA - the downtime cost me over 10BTC which is roughly $2k right now.  That is inexcusable.

I did choose to purchase from BFL willingly - it was my choice.  I choose to stick with the company and by the time I decided to ask for a refund your company redacted their refund offering.  I do like your product, but I have lost quite a bit of BTC (I paid in BTC) by buying it seeing as how I was suckered in believing the devices would ship sometime in October.....2012.   I believe you are currently the face of the company - if you can sleep with that at night...

I never said I ignore the prattle on Bitcointalk, where did you hear that?  I rather enjoy watching the abject stupidity that people come up with on here.  It's a recreational activity for me... when I'm busy or my attention is otherwise engaged, I don't bother much with this forum.  That said, again, you post false information.  Your order, if you ordered in June 2012 was scheduled to ship in November of 2012 at best.  Your device was never a year or even "almost a year" late.

You can doubt the failure rate is less than 1% all you want, it doesn't change reality.  "Judging by the forums" are you serious?  Do you think the majority of our orders are from these forums?  Hahaha you are more delusional than I thought.   Why do you think I don't take this forum seriously?  The people on here are a tiny fraction of our order base.  We've shipped more than 20k units and had far less than 200 come back for RMA (I think we are somewhere around ~100 - 125 units at last count).  Contrary to what you'd have other believe with your misinformation, our products are rock solid, unlike some other products out there. 

I sleep just fine at night (when I'm not on an airplane anyway).  BFL has and is delivering a quality product.  Our only fault at this point is the fact that we are delayed.  Yes, we missed our power targets and we offered full refunds because of that.  We also offered a free 50% hashrate bump.  Yes, it's a big fault, missing the shipping date and I have apologized for it numerous times.  There's a lot of things we would have done differently had we known what we know now.  But the simple fact of the matter is, we were the first into this space and because we had the most advanced technology, it cost us a lot of time dealing with the consequences of that.  In retrospect, it was not the way to go, but what's done is done and there you have it.  You can keep harping on the past, if it makes you feel better.  Don't order from us in the future if you don't like us or trust us, that's what I would do in your shoes if I was as bent out of shape as some of the people here.  Other than that, there's not much else to say.

325  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Where are the new Custom Hardware vendors? on: October 25, 2013, 09:13:46 PM
People are finding out it's not as easy to create a brand new product as they would have you believe, that's what's happening.  Even the people using others IP can't bring products to market (Look at Bicknellski's failed ventures) with all of the parts already laid out for them, much less create anything from scratch.

Surprise!  It actually requires skill, commitment and dedication to create a new product and bring it to market.



1) create product [check]
2) bring to market [....uh....check?]
3) fulfill all pre-orders and sell from in-hand stock [i guess in two weeks...right now you are shipping preorders 2-4months later than initially 'promised'/suggested]
4) take preorders on next-gen product that is rediculously overpriced by today's standards, and promise to deliver it before the 110nm preorders are filled

Can you point to a vendor that's doing number 3 now?  Are you seriously complaining that because demand is exceeding supply, it is somehow the vendors fault?

As for 4, I have no idea what you are talking about. BFL doesn't have any 110nm products and again, are you seriously complaining about the fact that people are paying money for a given product and the vendor charges what people will pay... but it's "overpriced" even though people are paying it?  If it was overpriced, people wouldn't buy it - that is simple economics.  If you think it's over priced, don't buy it.  The majority of the market disagrees with you, so that makes you the one that is incorrect.  

So basically points 3 and 4 are invalid and you have proven my point.


you cant be serious? asicminer, bitfury, and avalon are all selling units that are available immediately.

Huh, Avalon, really?  Last I checked, they had imploded.  Bitfury shows out of stock on all products.  ASICminer was order and wait last time I looked, but perhaps that's changed, I don't keep up with them much.  Please provide links otherwise?

Oh really?  As one of the few shipping ASIC vendors, I think that makes me qualified to speak on the subject, unlike you.  What have you done to bring a new product to the market from scratch?  Oh that's right... nothing at all.




How loose your definitions are. Roll Eyes  By shipping, do you mean shipping stuff today for items that were ordered almost a year ago?  Shipping items in variations much different than what was ordered?  Shipping out hardware that mines for 2 days and then dies and have to wait 8 days for someday just to issue an RMA even after requesting in email, forums, shoutbox, etc?

There are no orders being shipped that were ordered a year ago, please stop spreading false information.  Our failure rate on hardware is less than 1%, much better than industry average, so again, your argument is invalid.  

Sorry, but if you consider 400 - 1000+ units shipped per day in this industry to be "few devices" you need to have your head examined.

326  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Where are the new Custom Hardware vendors? on: October 25, 2013, 08:02:31 PM
People are finding out it's not as easy to create a brand new product as they would have you believe, that's what's happening.  Even the people using others IP can't bring products to market (Look at Bicknellski's failed ventures) with all of the parts already laid out for them, much less create anything from scratch.

Surprise!  It actually requires skill, commitment and dedication to create a new product and bring it to market.



1) create product [check]
2) bring to market [....uh....check?]
3) fulfill all pre-orders and sell from in-hand stock [i guess in two weeks...right now you are shipping preorders 2-4months later than initially 'promised'/suggested]
4) take preorders on next-gen product that is rediculously overpriced by today's standards, and promise to deliver it before the 110nm preorders are filled

Can you point to a vendor that's doing number 3 now?  Are you seriously complaining that because demand is exceeding supply, it is somehow the vendors fault?

As for 4, I have no idea what you are talking about. BFL doesn't have any 110nm products and again, are you seriously complaining about the fact that people are paying money for a given product and the vendor charges what people will pay... but it's "overpriced" even though people are paying it?  If it was overpriced, people wouldn't buy it - that is simple economics.  If you think it's over priced, don't buy it.  The majority of the market disagrees with you, so that makes you the one that is incorrect. 

So basically points 3 and 4 are invalid and you have proven my point.
327  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Where are the new Custom Hardware vendors? on: October 25, 2013, 07:21:43 PM
Oh really?  As one of the few shipping ASIC vendors, I think that makes me qualified to speak on the subject, unlike you.  What have you done to bring a new product to the market from scratch?  Oh that's right... nothing at all.


328  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: ANUBIS - a CGMINER Web Frontend on: October 25, 2013, 05:52:55 PM
What changes have been made for ASICs?  Changelog wasn't updated?
329  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [70 TH] EMC: No Fee DGM. Anonymous PPS. on: October 25, 2013, 05:39:28 PM
Yeah, the web server has been having some issues and I found the root cause this morning... so it should be more stable now.  All stats should be back processing and catching up.  The DGM score got a bit screwed up, but it is catching up at the moment as well and should be back to normal within another few blocks.
330  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Where are the new Custom Hardware vendors? on: October 25, 2013, 05:36:23 PM
People are finding out it's not as easy to create a brand new product as they would have you believe, that's what's happening.  Even the people using others IP can't bring products to market (Look at Bicknellski's failed ventures) with all of the parts already laid out for them, much less create anything from scratch.

Surprise!  It actually requires skill, commitment and dedication to create a new product and bring it to market.

331  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Butterfly Labs New 600GH "Mining Card" - RED FLAGS?!?! on: October 25, 2013, 06:38:12 AM
And what would be the grounds of this civil suit? A failure to supply the goods that were sold? Doesn't seem so, BFL are churning though their pre-orders, probably about only 25% of the speed they should be, but the bottom line is they are still getting though them. So I am curious as to what is the legal angle here you are claiming? Yes I know in the US you can sue for anything you can possibly think of in your wildest dreams, but lets keep it sensible.

You are correct that BFL is shipping products to customers.  BFL also never made predictions about being ready to ship products to end consumers in October 2012, November 2012, December 2012, January, February (swarm of locusts), March and April.  Those predictions about imminent shipping had no impact at all on potential customers deciding to order units that were time sensitive in their use.  BFL also never advertised a 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 production mix that offered customers ordering that day to get units as they were produced.

Everyone loves a car analogy.  If you ordered a new car from a dealership that took your money on the day of order and then promised delivery within a week, but instead strung out the delivery to many months while the competition started to offer better deals, would you grin and bear it?  The dealership would also make you sign a statement that all sales are final and you just have to be patient and wait.

I don't have an open BFL order and will never make another.  

To take your car analogy further, the dealer offered to refund your purchase price up until the time they actually started to manufacture your car.  So... if you "grin an bear it" you did it of your own volition, since you could easily have walked away at any time. Yes, BFL was late.  I've apologized for that numerous times. But the fact of the matter is, people could have elected to get a refund at any time up until we started to manufacture products in bulk and started to spend the pre-order money on product manufacturing.

How about holding people money against their will - extortion.  How about the millions lost by people as their money was locked up and they could not get a refund to buy ASICS which were shipping at the time.

There are lots of grounds for a civil suit - but it's the criminal I'm after.  And the awesome thing about federal charges and federal courts is that the proof doesn't have to be beyond a shadow of a doubt.  The burden of proof is low enough that I think a conviction is possible for these thieving crooks.

Be that as it may, you're most likely never going to see Josh or Sonny behind bars. They're protected by the corporation.

You neglected to mention the fact that nothing illegal has transpired, either... but, we all know you can't tell the truth and are a consumate liar and troll, so that's not really surprising that you'd leave a relevant fact like that out.
332  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Reliable? on: October 25, 2013, 12:49:37 AM
It's very easy. BFL has delivered more than 20k mining devices and have more to go.  Bitfury has not delivered any significant quantity of devices, nor has Avalon.  ASICminer is the only one that has delivered any sort of significant quantity of devices at this point, and all of those are Block Eruptors, which are basically meaningless.  I wasn't aware KNC was up to 3000 units shipped, is that figure accurate?  Fairly impressive but it's only 3000 units.

As far as hashrate goes, I'd say at least 50% of the the hashrate on the network is currently powered by BFL chips, but I haven't actually added it up lately, so I may be incorrect about that.


  
333  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Butterfly Labs New 600GH "Mining Card" - RED FLAGS?!?! on: October 25, 2013, 12:34:34 AM

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InternetToughGuy
334  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Reliable? on: October 25, 2013, 12:23:32 AM
You know.. that or the fact that BFL is actually delivering product and has delivered more product than everyone else combined several times over.  Yeah... one or the other.  Gosh I wonder which one.
335  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [70 TH] EMC: No Fee DGM. Anonymous PPS. on: October 25, 2013, 12:18:08 AM
Minimum diff is 10, yes.  Minimum payout hasn't been changed anytime recently I don't think... at least I can't recall changing it?
336  Other / Off-topic / Re: sick of "crumbs" on: October 24, 2013, 12:26:04 AM
Crumbs is one of the few intelligent and rational people to post on this forum, it's no wonder some people don't like him.
337  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: [ANN] Eloipool - FAST Python3 pool server software - GBT/stratum/dyntarget/proxy on: October 23, 2013, 11:08:41 PM
"Interactive Python 3 console so you can inspect and modify the pool while it's running."

interesting... where can I find this?

Seriously where do i find this?

Hit return... that >>> prompt is your console.

What does "Nobody to longpoll" mean?

Means nobody is connected to your pool.
338  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: I promise NEVER to purchase anything Again from ButterFlylabs !!! on: October 23, 2013, 05:04:31 AM
Yes!  More promises!  Irrationality and empty threats are the lifeblood of Bitcointalk.  Without them, the forum would wither!
339  Economy / Goods / Re: Downtown Penthouse Condo Limerick, Ireland 999BTC on: October 22, 2013, 05:39:49 PM
Condo fee is 900 Euro per month?  What the hell do they do for that kind of money?  So this apartment is rented at a loss?  How does that end up working out for the current owner?
340  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [70 TH] EMC: No Fee DGM. Anonymous PPS. Dwolla Payout. on: October 22, 2013, 07:28:45 AM
I'm kind of perplexed about this ... can you try connecting to US3 as your primary pool and see if you have the same behavior?

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