gigavps, but what you are talking about is a tax loophole in what is all basically corporate income.  I thought I knew it all, but you are correct all debt is taken out as an expense.  Thus, every corporation could issue a bond with each share, such that all gross corporate profit is distributed to shareholders/bondholders as a bond payment.  However, I am sure for the NASDAQ or NYSE you are breaking some sort of law.  Furthermore you don't have to perform the sarbanes-oxley and other type of record keeping that is putting incredible burden on corporations.

Do you know of any pre-tax bonds indexed to profits (inflation) that pertain to U.S. equities like Catepillar?

matthewh3, thanks for the info always wondered what happens in the end. 

But, the point of this thread is still valid.  If the GLBSE was a real exchange, you would not be getting a dividend.  You would be paying it all to corrupt politicans and corrupt corporate insiders looking to pay their bloated salaries.

Romney pays about 80% tax.  Warren Buffet pays about the same.  Since 2000, Romney most likely has lost money, yet has paid tax on capital gains that increased due to inflation.  Thus Romney since 2000 has paid infinite tax.

We should tax homes as investments.

People work at a corporation as a choice.  They use the capital of someone else to earn more income than they could themselves.  Otherwise they would have a family business or work at home.

That is not how it works.  You can go to the GLBSE and just look at the IPOs.  Take RSM, you can buy shares at 0.40.  This buys the equipment and cards.  Yes, once all the equipment is bought the union thugs and the managers can steal the company, like they did at GM.  

What you are advocating is once RSM gets their equipment, they stop paying the dividend and the guy take all the equipment for his family and friends.  an employee is not all that important they can easily be replaced.  Then they use the profits for himself, building the economy.   What about all the investors most poor that put their money in the company hoping for a profit.  To buy a bike for Christmas for their kids.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.  Capital will dry up, nobody will invest anymore because the semi-retarded teachers, employees that have no stake in the company,  and loser Robert Reich will steal it for himself.  Unemployment rises and the only solution is to tax more.  The only solution is for Reich to beg or steal more from the Koch brothers (the real earners) then take credit for how well they run the government.

If you can run them without fans I think that would be better in the long run.  Maybe if they were mounted vertical and near the ground, natural convection currents would be enough to keep them cool.  Maybe get fanless power supplies and fanless motherboards and have a completely quiet set-up.

35% corp+15% dividends+16% inflation = 66% and everybody is paying it, I don't care what accountant you use.  Plus, that lost as income tax and sales tax.  A corporation run as an individual, only pays income tax, which is like 25% after loopholes.

I was looking on the global stock exchange and found a company called  GIGAMINING.  Its price 1.581 and the weekly dividend is 0.02202454.  In the bitcoin world since it is all play imaginary tokens, there is no income tax, corporate tax, capital gains, or dividend tax.

But in the real world.  1st you pay sales tax, then the employees pay income tax, management also pay income tax, then you have business income.   Where does all this money go?  Mainly teachers and government workers that after benefits make $100K a year.  If you tax the workers more, the managers make less money.  However, if you tax the managers more, the workers also make less money.  You tax business income more both workers and managers make less.

So you go back to GIGAMINING.  I am going to neglect sales tax and income tax for the time being.  But that weekly dividend is earned business income.

So you have a .02202 dividend.  Now the business income tax is about 35% in the United States.  You dividend is now reduced to 0.0143.  Then after the corporate income tax you pay 15% on the dividend leaving you with 0.0122 dividend.  

Furthermore, if you are dealing with an inflationary currency, the value of the shares will also rise with inflation taking a capital gains hit.  Also, the company must use after taxed income to replenish cash reserves. These are probably bigger taxes than above and in the United States this inflation tax has averaged 8% over the last 30 years.  Since you must pay 8% on the cash you own and 8% on the stock inflation, you are effectively paying 16% additional tax.  This number comes off base corporate income too.   This leaves you with a dividend of 0.0082.

The reality is if the glbse was subject to the same laws as the nyse or nasdaq.  None of these mining companies would be formed!  The Corporations can't compete with individually owned companies.

The reality is Robert Reich, Paul Krugman, and Bernie Sanders are the reason why money is all going to the top.  The public corpration is being destroyed and all that is left are companies like "Panda Express" where the is only 1 owner.  Everybody else is the slave.  In the early days of bitmining there were people that owned large farms of bitminers.  That is the reality of these people - slavery!

Robert Reich wants you to be either a government worker or a slave.  All money moves to the top if you follow these planners.

I use to say that until last week.  I will give you until Texas.  But, if he does not win that, is not it over?

last.  You could claim this horse for $5000.  Seems like a better way to go.

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/EVD050212USA5.pdf

Due to the DOJ repeal of the wire act pertaining to online poker it might and probably is legal to play online poker for U.S. citizens.  All you have to do is find a poker room that accepts player to player transfers.  Merge, Bodog, Cake I don't think allow these transfers.  But a good BTC business would be a middle man of BTC to poker site transfers.   Make the business, then advertise those shirts on tv.  I say this because I think it is 100% legal, however consult your lawyer.  Also have a rakeback system in-place to make more money and lower fees.  I just want to play internationally again with my right as an American to pursue happiness.

I think the bitcoin shirt should just have the logo B on it.  Gold on gray I think would look better.   A B on a suit might look more classy.

The panic depressions were there.  They were caused by fractional reserve lending.  If banks were full reserve, none of the banks would have failed, only the investors who would have gotten back some of their money on the dollar.

Consider a society of bitcoin users, say 1000. If bitcoin was the only money, you would need to use some for cost of living, entertainment, and travel.  If the price of bitcoin rises with deflation, the value of your bitcoin stash increases.  As result you will have more money to spend.  Nobody hoards in safe investments or currency for the fun of it.  They do so to buy something in the future or for emergencies.  Spending will increase.  Eventually all the spending of society equals all the savings or hoarding of society.  When that happens, the deflation and inflation stop. 

Suppose somebody dumps bitcoin and the price drops.  People panic and they sell their bitcoin.  Maybe to buy factories or gold.  Eventually the price will drop to say $1.  However, the history of the bitcoin will give the coin value.  It will reach a point where the panic stops.  Then rebuild.  It is time and number of users that will prevent the complete collapse of bitcoin.

As the number of users increases and use increases, the value will increase.  Next year the number of users might be 2000.  This should basically double the value of bitcoin since they are limited.

No offense, but bitcoin is going to need at least a decade (maybe century)  track record to even be considered in terms of gold.  It is experimental.  Will the block chain become too bloated?  Will it be cracked?  Will the network collapse?  Can it handle 100,000 transactions a second.   To have Paul comment on bitcoin is really lame imho.

Thank god for Paul to make a complete fool out of Krugman.

I say the corporations and a stock market are the solution to Somalia's troubles.  You don't need a central government run by planners.

most of the economy of NYC is based off the financial sector.  All the money stolen in bailouts and by the fed end up in nyc first.

You pick a good area.  You can always walk out on your loan if the home is worth less.  You can even file bankruptcy and be back in a home after 3 years.  But, we are really talking about the loan.  A motorway or disco might make your home rise in price too.   The middle class of the 70s was made in many ways off the FHA loan scam.  They got the loan and the houses went up with inflation.  Leaving them rich at the expense of stock and cash holders.  

Some guy is building an exact replica of the titanic, the interesting part of the story imho is they are building it in China. Everyone is usa is screwed the kids want to be policeman, fireman, nurses, and teachers because that is where the money is. The reality is it is not their money, the poor sap at Walmart pays for those salaries.

You never need to worry about lost jobs because fired people can move into more productive areas.  Only people in non-productive areas, who's jobs are subsidized by people in productive areas, would have to get new jobs.  This will result in higher pay and more vacation for all.

50% of the "State" workers might go, but they remaining "State" workers like DMV and Water Resources, would be very small and get funding directly from you car registration fees or water bill.  The teachers might be local.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia
Despite it all since, the end of central government in Somalia, life expectancy has gone up.  It is was not for their socialist roots, they will realize it is corporations/people that improve the country and not centralized federal government.

You might also adopt the end of building permits, or at least the fees for building permits.  You might also try to get bitcoin and silver to be used as currency like Utah did.  gl and hope you win.

State funding would be cut off immediately.  Those taxes would be transferred to local jurisdictions for one year.  After 1 year, all the local taxes would be re-negotiated by the voters.  Thus, most of the schools would stay open and all state funded items would either be sold to the private sector like prisons, to taken over locally.  Some like the California State Colleges, might be sold or bought locally, or most likely become their own non-profit entity.

BTC - 10 minute blocks, retarget every 2016 blocks, 2 weeks               
1/3/12   160370   8018500   33%   50   7200
12/13/2012   210050   10500000   13%   25   3600
12/13/2016   420434   15750000   4%   12.5   1800
12/13/2020   630818   15960012.5   2%   6.25   900

I did the calculation 1/3.  Annual inflation rate will drop to 13%.