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3201  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Ripped off by a pool? on: December 22, 2010, 08:26:25 AM
Is there any difference in pools by it's type? E.g. I'm using CPU mining client and it shows me 52553 khash/s with 40 clients now. Are GPU-clients mininng on another pool instance on the server?

You joined another pool.
3202  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>4000Mhash/s, join us!) on: December 21, 2010, 08:04:57 PM
Some stats that I gathered via the json interface:

Code:
Blocks:                 20
Difficulty:             12252.03471156
Mean shares per block:  15978.65
Std. deviation:         11854.889675889019
Std. deviation of mean: 2650.8339181048295
p:                      0.1597754530320632

Thanks for your math! It looks correct for me (but I done exams from statistics "so-so" :-D). Hope more blocks in pool history will make p better. I will add 'bitcoin difficulty' to block history soon, so users will be able to check those numbers for long term.
3203  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Ripped off by a pool? on: December 21, 2010, 07:50:29 PM
but without the risk to lose it.

Yes, you can be scammed. I absolutely accept that people does not trust pool operator. It is their freedom of choice and Bitcoin is about freedom. I made pooled service with rising difficulty on mind, because I'd like to return my investment to mining hardware. Those periodic micropayments are lowering my own personal risk which I put in bitcoin idea. There were a days when I did not find a block even with strongest GPU on the market, which personally made me uncomfortable.
3204  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>4000Mhash/s, join us!) on: December 21, 2010, 07:42:58 PM
You might add a function for an automatic donation in %

You are not the first asking for this 'feature' (I'm surprised :-). So yes, plan to implement this soon. Also many thanks to people who sent me direct donations already, although there is not this feature on site yet!
3205  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>4000Mhash/s, join us!) on: December 21, 2010, 07:39:20 PM
I recommend you change PMS (Pooled Mining Server) to some other acronym.  PMS is also a popular term for Premenstrual Syndrome used all the time in U.S. popular culture.

lol, everybody who live with woman know term "PMS". But I never used this term for my service; everybody call it simply 'pool'. Although all ideas for better service name are welcome :-)
3206  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>4000Mhash/s, join us!) on: December 21, 2010, 05:43:32 PM
Any chance you could add something to the "My Account" screen, or the stats page, that would show us how many shares we contributed to each past block? I'm just curious to see the info if possible.

Yes, I'm planning it, because I have this info in DB already. I will also add 'pay off' stats with time, addresses and amount, which were sent by system to people.

Also, I call everybody to public confirmation that you are receiving yours rewards. Thanks!
3207  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>4000Mhash/s, join us!) on: December 21, 2010, 04:36:49 PM
Blocks 98656 and 98657 were both generated by the pool with less than 3 minutes in between.  Total processing power is now at 6 Ghash/sec, with expected block on average every 100 minutes. Smiley

Yes, it is really crazy. I was very excited once cluster crossed 1000 mhash/s edge. And I did not imagine we will be near 6ghash ever. But don't worry, server is still in great condition, so let's go!
3208  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Ripped off by a pool? on: December 21, 2010, 10:36:56 AM
I have an idea. Instead of paying by share of the block, the pool could pay a constant amount per share.

e.g slush's pool gives out work with difficulty 1 (I think), so on average there should be 12252.03471156 (current difficulty) shares per block. Each share is thus worth about 0.00408095 BTC, right?

I cannot do this. Mining is not exact and I cannot pay out you forward, before we find a block. EDIT: There is only some chance that we will find block on every x shares. I cannot handle this risk and pay out per share.

For all - there is absolutely no other way than to trust me. Even opening sources will not solve this problem. If you don't trust me, you can leave the pool anytime. But you are welcome to join.

There is only one check, what everybody can do by himself. You can sum your reward from pool for long term (say few months) and sum your potential reward if you mine standalone. But if you make this calculation properly and will take into also rising difficulty, I'm pretty sure your reward from pooled mining will be higher, because you will receive more cents before difficulty goes higher every week.
3209  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>4000Mhash/s, join us!) on: December 20, 2010, 09:04:27 PM
Checks for block maturity and sending rewards is now starting every hour at 0:00. 0 min.
3210  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Ripped off by a pool? on: December 20, 2010, 08:38:38 PM
I have been very open about all problems with accounting. Everything was solved, nobody was shorted in his reward. I have nothing to say anymore. Nobody is forced to trust me, but I don't understand why anybody spend so much time to go against me. That's all. For me, this topic is closed.
3211  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Ripped off by a pool? on: December 20, 2010, 03:35:14 PM

Check slush's thread. He now says that everyone has been paid.

NOW... gene. Now would be the time to flip your lid if you don't have your coins.

Send 1.43 to 1HVjPVMwJFeu8nhwR8vi5MySSkYjQ6mAWt for geneabernathy
3212  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>4000Mhash/s, join us!) on: December 20, 2010, 03:11:37 PM
Next round. All people are paid off. As you see bellow, there remains some bitcoins on account for people which did not yet reach their threshold. So new accounting is "on" until now!

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2010-12-20 15:07:11.129368
Test: False
Current balance: 50.0
Send 2.28 to 1MNLrmeiSM4AKYweGxGBCttgRWuaXrppj8
Send 1.85 to 16yH1S6eJpj8UyLFqMVM35pbf5vXrec2c8
Send 1.79 to 12kXuPNvv4jjWXu7Br8Af7xwZEYcJQDZ5B
Send 1.76 to 17PSyYGLGQj7okX3Aj6cWDXRoxqwD4cByA
Send 1.65 to 1N24q2tT71K2sJ3U1rBZ8uYmzu2K72jLob
Send 1.43 to 1HVjPVMwJFeu8nhwR8vi5MySSkYjQ6mAWt
Send 1.3 to 166uYUb7ogk1xyxSSYQzdXRefdbYJaMTjs
Send 1.06 to 19YmMJ33gHRPQSbsVhw5jyLMccfTddCwNf
Send 1.04 to 16u5Tq1A5sQhGF3C1M9aMQvjXb25NyTsrZ
Send 1.04 to 1P83a5bNdzDpYPxFgxf9XJJ5ET9e1k7m58
Send 0.76 to 14DSk5kdHAWUDao6GdSYxMjcyvsw6oEQMn
Send 0.65 to 1KLd7eQfZ4Mc4nZYsWFPDXorUjZNK8hf7Y
Send 0.58 to 19fypdA3S83RWFXnGiWuZos8snkwciXHAk
Send 0.48 to 1BwChPMbCE5d9pmQnDKCDrHt1FJjfkMsf9
Send 0.41 to 1N7DtZv9QDTBEC66fRHAjeV1NwKpr6gq1E
Send 0.3 to 19nYwUtDpiqUPopQJNgv5NR1SwZBpnttKC
Send 0.24 to 1ZhKkzRLLfpNGNHf8qDDH7uRZtaMue7tR
Send 0.11 to 1CWtqXYyZT5crpX4Jf1fmML1vESxUnAF3P
Send 0.1 to 1MSF6JBxFdeSnb2E8D7cnbtJHjATjuFpFE
Send 0.06 to 138u5REB725isgRAxb2SdyQMTCrLBpYXKX
Send 0.06 to 1JWmu8f2vHxk3W7x8WQk7hmqNQbf4cs6rr
Send 0.02 to 1JQJXeiJR4KUC63hUKysG1YyxKNGzaXBvF
Send 0.01 to 18cBAgYzcm9jLkSqAp2aAgWsFgeYgaTmu2
Initial balance: 50.0, sent total 18.98 for 23 people, time 10. sec
3213  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: New demonstration CPU miner available on: December 20, 2010, 01:03:36 PM
I just set this miner up and it appears to be working. However it is only running at about a third to a quarter of the hash speed I get when running the bitcoin client. It says it only has 1 miner thread started, do I need to increase that number in order for it to up it's speed?

I have a quad-core processor running Win7 64 if that matters.

Rise your 'threads' parameter to 4. Also play with 'algo' parameter, this can help a lot.
3214  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Ripped off by a pool? on: December 20, 2010, 12:24:24 PM
Gene will be payed out in next round.

Cdecker, I agree there was some misconception in payment before. I din't say system worked perfectly. I believe they care about their 0.6 bitcoins. But I 10x said "ok, I know about it, I'm working to make it better". I already made it better and explained why I cannot send money from old blocks instantly. So I don't know what to say more.

Guys, I completely reworked system to be more fair. Again, it was pure technical issue, that I did not expect more than block for a day or two.

Ok, just to make the situation clear, please post the amounts outstanding and which blocks they were generated in (if you know). So we can actually try to solve the mistery. If Slush would please confirm the amounts and blocks?

No, I cannot send this, because old system did not register relation user-block-reward, only user-reward. When block was found, reward was rised and shares deleted. So I cannot tell for those old blocks, who should be paid for which block. Sorry. New system is better, I store all information for later stats.

All remaining payments (reward>=threshold) will be processed when next block become mature. There is much more in rewards on site, but few users trust me and their's send threshold is very high, so I don't need to pay off them yet.
3215  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>4000Mhash/s, join us!) on: December 20, 2010, 12:13:29 PM
Thanks for the service slush
Like others i'm waiting patiently for the accounting system to catch up with itself. To help debug heres whats in my account

Next block confirmed right now! I see you are the last person rewarded in this round. Congrats!

Gene, mestar, I see you will receive payments in the next round.

Quote
2010-12-20 12:08:35.544230
Test: False
Current balance: 50.0
Send 5.5 to 147dRpRoYQxpf5WGnz7dipCcavtANRRfjt
Send 5.37 to 12T2dysYTQVdq434ZZBK167uXvb6o3G1tL
Send 4.74 to 112jA9B4KFAUEZzAVRENcixScXKW9axLT2
Send 4.44 to 1Nmywv3nDAp7M43cSYV3CEoQMLy4t6VGW3
Send 4.42 to 14EzoKKYmHJfHTpED3XRjzD1bBATVhPyqm
Send 3.94 to 1BoV4NByhfSLnKpyxJCD4yL47o6SPfCHgL
Send 3.74 to 1Eo51LLvhkJhxGR6oga1QkNV9a1KJsbrF7
Send 3.39 to 1Ef9tVdaJcoDSHLWF37ArWhoUittmuoBTM
Send 3.12 to 14xhyWXA26vEv9tdmRNh4ZC34tioxRgFpm
Send 2.96 to 18E36JvJkS9BdM9gf5tSuFN2n3WQobn5E1
Send 2.91 to 16dBpqsErdidc7XUNhBjyYADtEwmhadmzq
Send 2.64 to 1HXyhe9V64hiYSLzacCGBzGZoUZGdJLGKm
Send 2.62 to 18vgdAzrpY3WytDeYygm3HP69DqC5DTP1i
Send 0.17 to 1CakgRnzQwCQhX8Ca8DxswqRwZjV8aV6PA
Send 0.04 to 1Ghy36oVwnBz5VPVAdKa2jukW4tTPtKYPn
Initial balance: 50.0, sent total 50.0 for 15 people, time 1.0 sec
3216  Economy / Marketplace / Re: New Exchange (Pizza4BTC) on: December 20, 2010, 11:52:23 AM
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Btw it's great that my daily BTC income covers one pizza in my favourite restaurant. I'm looking forward to pay with bitcoins here!
3217  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>4000Mhash/s, join us!) on: December 20, 2010, 10:52:41 AM
Hey, slash, why don't you put the number of the block for the list of payments you are posting.  That way we can at least manually check if your code is working correctly.

I'm posting here immediatelly when send coins. You can go to block explorer and find it by self. By the way, people confirms they already received their rewards, so sending incorrect  is not an issue.

Quote from: BitLex
so there is actually no code at all for you to check, it's still done manually.

I'm already sending it with 'final' script, but firstly start it for 'dry run' and check, if ammounts are correctly calculated
3218  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>4000Mhash/s, join us!) on: December 20, 2010, 10:17:34 AM
Note, you can check more than one.  

Did you ever found a block? Do you _really_ know miners don't have coins directly after they find a block? It looks:

[ ] you are an idiot
[ ] you don't know how mining works

Quote
So you are optimizing your code before you got it to work correctly?  That is definitely a wrong way to do it.

Feel free to implement own pool which will handle 5 ghash/s instantly.

Btw mining core (where is this optimization inside) and payment system are two separate components. As I _already_ said, I did not expect we will find blocks faster than they mature. Original pudinpopp's miner solve one block for a weeks. Now I see I was wrong and already implemented better payment system which handle such load of transactions much better. And stop trolling here, join gene's trolling thread.
3219  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>4000Mhash/s, join us!) on: December 20, 2010, 09:28:53 AM
I'm not. How are these payments being processed? Without code or a breakdown of the logic involved, you have zero credibility.

Hey, you must be another's pool owner, right? :-D Again, specially for you. I changed logic, which means, that new payments will be cleared in way described above. There is still unconfirmed 200 BTC earned with old accounting system, so few people have to wait. (I have no data to send old payments "in order" with new clearing system) You are inside. You Must Wait. Sorry. I will not send payment specially for you. By the way, I even don't know which nick in pool is yours. Stop spamming here, enjoy it in your thread.
3220  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>4000Mhash/s, join us!) on: December 20, 2010, 09:02:41 AM
Despite the repeated empty promises and posts showing how money is being sent to very few accounts, I haven't seen any money from work which began on 17 Dec.
If you haven't been paid, please let everyone know. That will prevent others from falling in the same trap, and will reveal the extent of this scam.

Hey buddy, you are really insane.

Quote
2010-12-20 08:59:08.699679
Test: False
Current balance: 50.0
Send 11.7 to 1DXsKabUusmayN4e8PjdMx2JQgrk9mdRer
Send 9.29 to 1JdEn5LeMREmAjcAi4KWf8EX6zkubqGn55
Send 7.66 to 1N2RqrCuyxMizkdVfGf2c7xpQSdiw5ZUm
Send 6.86 to 1Gq6YyhbJpeJyLewQ1kRuMS6cXkuHZGjyt
Send 6.62 to 13MoaRBGqzf16gc4Zp32hXPKyWVZ915KXV
Send 5.9 to 13SecR7EGTXQ4LHGWvYhbAEUbMnFpyMWHG
Send 1.9 to 1Ps8YSq6DLqnVRwFiNRzeVSMruoGF9Gg4t
Send 0.07 to 1NAfMmVJZ4D2287MfpNMNEQxxu9zWDv31g
Initial balance: 50.0, sent total 50.0 for 8 people, time 0.5 sec

Next round sent, I'm waiting to maturing block 98425. Because of large changes in accounting, I'm still sending those payments manually.

Does this mean you are going to start sending payments in my specific case or are you still working on that bug?

You are inside this payment, please check it! :-)
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