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3201  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Pledge for DOSBox donations (97 BTC so far) on: March 31, 2011, 12:16:36 PM
Still no word from them? It's strange, when I wrote them the last time they replied within a day or two. :/
That's what I thought, so yesterday I contacted Qbix via the DOSBox forums. He has now replied to my mail, but was less than enthusiastic. I think this may be a matter of a simple misunderstanding of my message, and thus solvable.
3202  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Remove "generate bitcoins" from standard client? on: March 28, 2011, 03:55:33 AM
So, uh, running away from the philosophical question of alternative blockchains, what if we were to simply have the client do a calculation to estimate how long it'll take a person to generate 50btc on their machine and show that in addition to the hashes per second. That would take care of the "why haven't I gotten any bitcoins yet" posts on the forum.

I'm not a programmer but that doesn't seem that hard. I'm guessing it would be easy to check current difficulty and compare that vs hash speed. I've heard (and agree with) that the simpler the more secure and better it is though. Still if it popped up and said "with your CPU you will generate your first set of coins in 800days do you wish to continue? click here to find out why"

Of course the warning could just put examples or estimates too.
Most people will think that when 800 days elapse they are guaranteed to find a block. This will only lead to frustration. Even if we tell them it's random they'll underestimate its variance. And there's no point in this, CPU mining with a pool is worthless enough, no one in their right mind would want to do it solo.
3203  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What are the odds we'll find a collision by the time the last bitcoin gets mined? on: March 28, 2011, 03:51:04 AM


It's ~6.84x10-49. Did you put "1 in 2^160" in Wolfram Alpha?  Wink


Haha google, guessing Wolfram Alpha would have the same result. I'll give it a try.
Now why did google give me the wrong answer, 2^160 is pretty simple math.
Wrong answer, or wrong question? 2^160 = 1.46*10^48, 0.5^160 = 6.84*10^(-49), and 1 in 1.46*10^48 is 6.84*10^(-49).
Wolfram|Alpha, by the way, fails spectacularly to parse "1 in 2^160" in the sense we mean here.
3204  Other / Off-topic / Re: Forum Membership Levels on: March 27, 2011, 09:31:54 PM
hi.  i am a newbie myself.  i've been increasingly interested in bitcoin and just joined the forums.  i was looking for a 'introduce yourself' section, but here seems ok.  these forums are friendly, right?  i'm a bit shy...
Sure! Welcome to the forum. I guess a community revolving around a pseudonymous currency doesn't much value an introduction section. But there's a range of ideologies or lack thereof here so don't be afraid if you're not into anonymity. Feel free to tell us about yourself or to ask questions.
3205  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: My computer crashed and now my Hashrate is reduced! on: March 27, 2011, 03:11:54 PM
I had similar occurrences, also on a 5870 (and Windows XP). The most recent was that I left my miner (poclbm GUI) running, and when I checked it some hours later the hashrate was 140 MH/s. Restarting the OS restored the normal hashing rate of 315 MH/s. Any ideas about the cause of this?
3206  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcoinexpress - Bitcoin to PayPal exchange site on: March 27, 2011, 02:44:12 PM
I personally believe it would be really cool if nearly every major population center had at least two people that exchanged bitcoins for fiat currency and vice versa. Imagine just giving "Joe" a call and stopping buy and converting $50 to bitcoins. It would be almost as convenient as doing it all electronically (ie with PayPal and other payment processors).
Yeah, I think that's what they're trying to do with Bitcoin.local.
3207  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Pledge for DOSBox donations (97 BTC so far) on: March 27, 2011, 01:38:47 PM
@Holy-Fire: Did you manage to send that email? Smiley
Yes, email sent, but still no response. Undecided
3208  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Rig Rental Service on: March 27, 2011, 12:58:16 PM
with a 1 GH/s plan, the expected return will be around 439 BTC a month. But the plan costs $500, so it's 1.14 USD per BTC. :/

439 BTC a month if difficulty does not increase. And after mystery miner stopped interfering, we are on a steady growth path and (moderate) difficulty increases are virtually certain.

Actually, instead of arguing I'm offering a competitive purely financial product. For a mere 500 BTC (which is less than $500) a month (3-month minimum), you will get 14.58 BTC a day (equivalent to 1GH/s of daily mining income at current difficulty). The payout will be increased or decreased according to difficulty. Simply put, if the (harmonic weighted) mean difficulty during the next 93 days is 62361 or lower, you win (you'll get more than 1500 BTC you paid), if it's higher, then I win. Any takers? No? Then why some people are buying  mining contracts that are more expensive than buying BTC on the market is beyond me.
I've done some calculations, assuming for simplicity that the contract starts at a difficulty retargeting point, and found that the absolute maximum you might be required to pay with this contract is equivalent to 278.8 days at current difficulty, which is 4065 BTC. This is achieved if retargeting occurs at 34.6, 65.0 and 86.0 days. If you're serious about this, you may want to secure this amount in advance.

If there's sufficient interest in this kind of calculations, I might write a post about it.
3209  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcoinexpress - Bitcoin to PayPal exchange site on: March 27, 2011, 07:28:33 AM
I agree. But are you saying bitcoin to cash and vice versa is also a bad idea?
Doing only that is a bad idea. I'm not going to take a plane to wherever you're located to give or take some cash, or trust that cash in the mail will reach its destination. As an additional service this is of course wonderful, though not as important IMO.
3210  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcoinexpress - Bitcoin to PayPal exchange site on: March 27, 2011, 04:47:54 AM
Holy-Fire, I agree that having the ability to buy/sell bitcoins in micro increments is important, but like you mentioned the paypal fees would eat so much out of it that I'm not sure if it's really worth it for both parties. Plus I'm not sure if PayPal would like it if we pushed thousands of $1 or less transactions through their servers on a daily basis.
People will do <$1 transaction for testing, not on a regular basis, so it won't be thousands a day. Also, mndrix says he uses PayPal's mass payment API which doesn't require fees, if you don't you should look into it.

zer0, Hmm, perhaps the answer is doing only bitcoin to other e-currencies? The problem here is that the user would have to jump through extra hoops and first convert fiat to another e-currency and then finally to bitcoin. Another problem is that other e-currencies are all centralized and could potentially be taken down by governments or be hacked, etc.

Guys, maybe in the end the best thing to do is to just exchange cash to bitcoins and vice versa?
Terrible ideas.
3211  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcoinexpress - Bitcoin to PayPal exchange site on: March 26, 2011, 06:55:01 PM
When I started out with Bitcoin, one of my family members asked, "But that's just play money, right? You can't convert it to real money". I said, "Sure I can! Here, watch me - " and thus began a long process of frustration, tearing my hair out, digging in forums and sending furious emails, until I finally found CoinCard. Most people - and even more so, businesses and organizations - need to be able to trade bitcoins for currency they are familiar with before the whole thing is real to them. And it needs to be downward scalable, because they won't invest in Bitcoin (in the general sense of the word) before they accept it.

People always talk about how PayPal is inferior to some services I had never heard of and that nobody accepts. But PayPal is ubiquitous and international. I already have an account because it's useful to me, and I know that funds I receive to it I can withdraw to my local bank account. Converting BTC->PPUSD is an extremely important service, and CoinCard provides it very well. When I suggest accepting bitcoins to organizations, I will recommend that they use it, not go to the marketplace and look for people willing to relieve them of their bitcoins for a service they might happen to need (or go to MtGox and try to figure out how to withdraw USD from it).

PPUSD->BTC is less important IMO, and it is already served by CoinPal and the MtGox PayPal exchanger.

So what I'm trying to say is, it's great that you started this service, competition is good. And please consider relaxing the 10 BTC minimum. People need to be able to try it out with small amounts, even 1 BTC is limiting. I'm sure what you'll lose in transaction fees will pay for itself in attracting new business.

Good luck!
3212  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What are the odds we'll find a collision by the time the last bitcoin gets mined? on: March 26, 2011, 06:18:42 PM
it's not 160 tosses, it's two sets of 160 tosses where each toss in each set exactly matches the result of the same toss on the other set.
That's exactly the same as far as probability is concerned. Also, unless I'm misunderstanding something about the protocol (which is likely), the 160-tosses version I described better represents the scenario I gave, of trying to replicate a specific address.
3213  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: All bitcoin.org downloaders being tracked when they use the bitcoin-program? on: March 26, 2011, 06:13:27 PM
Yet another forum with immature people. What childish behaviour. What do you get out of behaving like this?
I assure you that behavior like that of users ben bernank and Greenspam above is very rare here. I'm sorry you were exposed to this. I think you'll enjoy these forums, most of us are very reasonable people.

I don't have any input on your original question.
3214  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What are the odds we'll find a collision by the time the last bitcoin gets mined? on: March 26, 2011, 05:48:43 PM
Not that I don't have faith in either of your calculations but can someone else help settle this?
No, he is right. As I wrote above, I have made a terrible mistake and I'll return my diploma the first chance I get.  Sad
Give it to me. I could use an extra degree. Smiley

That's a hell of difference in math.

Not that I don't have faith in either of your calculations but can someone else help settle this?
It's just common sense, really. A Bitcoin address is just a 160-bit number. If you want to randomly generate an address and have it exactly match some other address, you need every bit to match. Every bit is like a coin toss, so it's like 160 tosses. The probability for that is 0.5^160 = 6.84E-49. I didn't examine the calculations for the larger 9.7E-29 figure (equal to 93 tosses) but it's probably the chance to succeed in one of a large number of attempts.
3215  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Earn 34BTC or 20-21BTC for getting shops/organisations to accept Bitcoin on: March 26, 2011, 04:58:08 PM
I think the "Google Page rank" part of the rules needs to be more technically specific; Pretty much any site on the net can have page rank 3, if you use the right key words.
Google PageRank is a perfectly technical term which does not mean "position in Google search results". You can find the PageRank of a site here, for example, and there are also browser addons for that.
3216  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What are the odds we'll find a collision by the time the last bitcoin gets mined? on: March 26, 2011, 04:54:22 PM
For example if the chance of a collision (transaction) 9.7x10-29 how would that compare to say winning the lottery (US powerball)

Winning it 2 days in a row? Everyday for a week? Month? 700 years?

According to Wikipedia, probability of hitting the Jackpot in US powerball is 1 in 131,278,024. So the probability of you winning each and every day for more than 20 quintillion years (or 20 million trillion years) is roughly the same as finding a collision. That's about 1.5 billion times the age of our universe. If you win every second, you'll still have to win for 234 trillion years.
Dear god, no, that's completely wrong. You did (1/131M)/(9.7E-29), when it should be log(9.7E-29)/log(1/131M) = 3.45. So it's like winning the lottery 3-4 times in a row.

Flipping a coin and getting heads 1000 times in a row? or 100000 or flipping it every 10 seconds and getting heads  for 6 months?

Getting heads constantly every second for a time interval that is about a trillion times the age of the universe.
Again, no. It's like getting 93 heads in a row: log(9.7E-29)/log(0.5).

The point remains, though. That's an extremely small probability. Collisions aren't going to happen and there's no need to be concerned about it (assuming the PRNGs used are half-decent. They don't need to be good).
3217  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Offering 25 BTC for Linux mining guide on: March 25, 2011, 11:20:51 AM
Holy-Fire: https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3359.0 I already paid 50 BTC for such a tutorial; the only thing that's missing is installation of bitcoin client and maybe the vnc part (both of which you can easily find on the web).
Thanks Smiley. Raulo, who wrote that guide, has already linked to it.
3218  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Offering 25 BTC for Linux mining guide on: March 25, 2011, 11:10:20 AM
I was assuming that since you don't know much bout linux, you must have Windows already?
For my general-purpose computer, yes, of course. I also bought a 5870 to mine on it. But I'm talking here about building a dedicated mining rig.

ohhhh, IMO not a great idea... mining will eventually not become very profitable.

If you haven't bought the parts yet, don't, or just buy 1 5970 used and tri-fire with your 5870 and mine with that, and you got lots of GPU power if you game or wtv
I appreciate your advice, but I made my own assessment of pros/cons and I still think it's worthwhile. Anyway, calibrating my projections is one reason I'm waiting with this.
3219  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Offering 25 BTC for Linux mining guide on: March 25, 2011, 10:53:41 AM
I was assuming that since you don't know much bout linux, you must have Windows already?
For my general-purpose computer, yes, of course. I also bought a 5870 to mine on it. But I'm talking here about building a dedicated mining rig.
3220  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Offering 25 BTC for Linux mining guide on: March 25, 2011, 10:52:18 AM
I wrote a guide that covers majority of the stuff you need to mine on Ubuntu Linux:

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3359.msg47174#msg47174

There are also some troubleshooting hints further in discussion.

Here are bitcoin Ubuntu packages:

https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2207.0

Here is info about autostart:

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3740.0

Thanks! The embarrassing part is that I think I saw this earlier, but have since forgotten and didn't find it in searches.

5 BTC sent, though I think still this should all be consolidated into a nice wiki page.

I couldn't figure out if this contains info on configuring the Bitcoin daemon to accept RPC connections. I barely managed to get that to work on my Windows machine...

I hope this will work, I actually have some time until I go through with this. I'll ask if I encounter any problems.
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