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3241  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU bitforce overclock monitor fanspeed RPC in C linux/windows/osx 2.2.4 on: February 12, 2012, 12:39:22 AM
[2012-02-11 17:00:00] binary size 0 : 0
[2012-02-11 17:00:00] OpenCL compiler generated a zero sized binary, may need to
 reboot!
This is totally  crazy, but perhaps the command is actually non-blocking even though it's meant to be blocking and c is fast so the compiler hasn't returned yet or something stupid like that on windows. Anyway try this totally crazy exe with your regular commands (put into a fresh 2.2.4 directory):
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/temp/cgminer.exe
This will wait until it returns a non-zero value. If it seems to just sit there doing nothing after a minute or so, just stop it.

It's just hanging at /listenChannel line for like 7 minutes now.  Doesn't appear to be doing anything.
Sam
3242  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU bitforce overclock monitor fanspeed RPC in C linux/windows/osx 2.2.4 on: February 11, 2012, 11:12:22 PM
Just installed 2.2.4 on WinXP Catalyst 11.6.

It did not generate the .bin files for me.  I tried multiple times with different command line options and rebooted and tried again.

I copied my renamed .bin files over from the previous install and am working now.
Thanks,
Sam
I know this has been long standing, but there is more debugging in newer versions. Just once more for my crying pleasure, can you start it with --verbose -D -T (without any bin files in the directory) and give me the full output please?

Here you go.  Let me know if you need anything else.  I appreciate it.
Thanks,
Sam

cgm224>cgminer --verbose -D -T

No sorry, I mean add those to your regular command line options.


Yep,  I figured that after I sent the last one.
Thanks again,
Sam
Code:
cgm224>cgminer -o http://pit.deepbit.net:8332 -u XXXX -p ZZZZ --verbose -D -T
[2012-02-11 16:59:56] Started cgminer 2.2.4
[2012-02-11 16:59:56] CL Platform 0 vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

[2012-02-11 16:59:56] CL Platform 0 name: AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing

[2012-02-11 16:59:56] CL Platform 0 version: OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4 (650.9)

[2012-02-11 16:59:56] Platform 0 devices: 2
[2012-02-11 16:59:57] GPU 0 iAdapterIndex 0 strUDID PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_689E&SUBSYS
_E177174B&REV_00_4&3014B34A&0&0020A iBusNumber 2 iDeviceNumber 0 iFunctionNumber
 0 iVendorID 1002 strAdapterName  ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series

[2012-02-11 16:59:57] GPU 1 iAdapterIndex 2 strUDID PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_68B8&SUBSYS
_21401462&REV_00_4&276E9505&0&0010A iBusNumber 1 iDeviceNumber 0 iFunctionNumber
 0 iVendorID 1002 strAdapterName  ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series

[2012-02-11 16:59:57] GPU 0 ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series   hardware monitoring enab
led
[2012-02-11 16:59:57] GPU 1 ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series hardware monitoring enable
d
[[22[002110221--200-220--211-111  111 661::655:995::955:775]]7  ]PP orPpoopbpiip
nniggn  gwf oowrrok r atkno   tawolo irsvkte a tgpheor oetlah dr  e  a  d


 [ 2
012-02-11 16:59:57] Testing pool http://pit.deepbit.net:8332

[2012-02-11 16:59:57] Successfully retrieved and deciphered work from pool 0 htt
p://pit.deepbit.net:8332
[2012-02-11 16:59:57] Pushing pooltest work to base pool
[2[021021-20-20-21-11 116 1:6:5599::5577]]  PPouoslh i0n hgt wtopr:k/ t/op giett
.wdoerekp qbuietu.en   e  t  : 8  3  3  2   a  c  t
i[v2e0  1 2  -  0  2  -  1  1    1 6
:[5290:1527-]0 P2o-p1p1i 1n6g: 5w9o:r5k7 t]o  sPtuasghei tnhgr peiandg  t  o   l
 o n  g p o  l  l  t  h  r
ead
[[22001122--0022--1111  1166::5599::5577]] L Pounsgh-ipnogl pliinngg t aoc tthir
veaatde d0 f  o  r  h  t  t p  :  /  /  p  i
t[.2d0e1e2p-b0i2t-.1n1e t1:68:35392:/5l7i]s ItneintC GhPaUn tnherle  a  d   0  G
 P U    0   v  i  r  t
ual GPU 0
[2012-02-11 16:59:57] CL Platform vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

[2012-02-11 16:59:57] CL Platform name: AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing

[2012-02-11 16:59:57] CL Platform version: OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4 (650.9)

[2012-02-11 16:59:57] List of devices:
[2012-02-11 16:59:57]   0       Juniper
[2012-02-11 16:59:57]   1       Cypress
[2012-02-11 16:59:57] Selected 0: Juniper
[2012-02-11 16:59:57] Preferred vector width reported 4
[2012-02-11 16:59:57] Max work group size reported 256
[2012-02-11 16:59:57] No binary found, generating from source

[2012-02-11 16:59:57] Setting worksize to 128
[2012-02-11 16:59:57] Patched source to suit 2 vectors
[2012-02-11 16:59:57] cl_amd_media_ops found, setting BITALIGN

[2012-02-11 16:59:57] BFI_INT patch requiring device found, patched source with
BFI_INT
[2012-02-11 16:59:57] CompilerOptions: -D WORKSIZE=128 -D VECTORS2 -D BITALIGN -
D BFI_INT
[2012-02-11 17:00:00] binary size 0 : 0
[2012-02-11 17:00:00] OpenCL compiler generated a zero sized binary, may need to
 reboot!
[2012-02-11 17:00:00] Failed to init GPU thread 0, disabling device 0

[2012-02-11 17:00:00] Restarting the GPU from the menu will not fix this.

[2012-02-11 17:00:00] Try restarting cgminer.
[2012-02-11 17:00:00] Init GPU thread 1 GPU 0 virtual GPU 0
[2012-02-11 17:00:00] CL Platform vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

[2012-02-11 17:00:00] CL Platform name: AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing

[2012-02-11 17:00:00] CL Platform version: OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4 (650.9)

[2012-02-11 17:00:00] List of devices:
[2012-02-11 17:00:00]   0       Juniper
[2012-02-11 17:00:00]   1       Cypress
[2012-02-11 17:00:00] Selected 0: Juniper
[2012-02-11 17:00:00] Preferred vector width reported 4
[2012-02-11 17:00:00] Max work group size reported 256
[2012-02-11 17:00:00] No binary found, generating from source

[2012-02-11 17:00:00] Setting worksize to 128
[2012-02-11 17:00:00] Patched source to suit 2 vectors
[2012-02-11 17:00:00] cl_amd_media_ops found, setting BITALIGN

[2012-02-11 17:00:00] BFI_INT patch requiring device found, patched source with
BFI_INT
[2012-02-11 17:00:00] CompilerOptions: -D WORKSIZE=128 -D VECTORS2 -D BITALIGN -
D BFI_INT
[2012-02-11 17:00:02] binary size 0 : 0
[2012-02-11 17:00:02] OpenCL compiler generated a zero sized binary, may need to
 reboot!
[2012-02-11 17:00:02] Failed to init GPU thread 1, disabling device 0

[2012-02-11 17:00:02] Pushing ping to thread 2
[2012-02-11 17:00:02] Init GPU thread 2 GPU 1 virtual GPU 1
[2012-02-11 17:00:02] CL Platform vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

[2012-02-11 17:00:02] CL Platform name: AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing

[2012-02-11 17:00:02] CL Platform version: OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4 (650.9)

[2012-02-11 17:00:02] List of devices:
[2012-02-11 17:00:02]   0       Juniper
[2012-02-11 17:00:02]   1       Cypress
[2012-02-11 17:00:02] Selected 1: Cypress
[2012-02-11 17:00:02] Preferred vector width reported 4
[2012-02-11 17:00:02] Max work group size reported 256
[2012-02-11 17:00:02] No binary found, generating from source

[2012-02-11 17:00:02] Setting worksize to 128
[2012-02-11 17:00:02] Patched source to suit 2 vectors
[2012-02-11 17:00:02] cl_amd_media_ops found, setting BITALIGN

[2012-02-11 17:00:02] BFI_INT patch requiring device found, patched source with
BFI_INT
[2012-02-11 17:00:02] CompilerOptions: -D WORKSIZE=128 -D VECTORS2 -D BITALIGN -
D BFI_INT
[2012-02-11 17:00:04] binary size 1 : 0
[2012-02-11 17:00:04] OpenCL compiler generated a zero sized binary, may need to
 reboot!
[2012-02-11 17:00:04] Failed to init GPU thread 2, disabling device 1

[2012-02-11 17:00:04] Init GPU thread 3 GPU 1 virtual GPU 1
[2012-02-11 17:00:04] CL Platform vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

[2012-02-11 17:00:04] CL Platform name: AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing

[2012-02-11 17:00:04] CL Platform version: OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4 (650.9)

[2012-02-11 17:00:05] List of devices:
[2012-02-11 17:00:05]   0       Juniper
[2012-02-11 17:00:05]   1       Cypress
[2012-02-11 17:00:05] Selected 1: Cypress
[2012-02-11 17:00:05] Preferred vector width reported 4
[2012-02-11 17:00:05] Max work group size reported 256
[2012-02-11 17:00:05] No binary found, generating from source

[2012-02-11 17:00:05] Setting worksize to 128
[2012-02-11 17:00:05] Patched source to suit 2 vectors
[2012-02-11 17:00:05] cl_amd_media_ops found, setting BITALIGN

[2012-02-11 17:00:05] BFI_INT patch requiring device found, patched source with
BFI_INT
[2012-02-11 17:00:05] CompilerOptions: -D WORKSIZE=128 -D VECTORS2 -D BITALIGN -
D BFI_INT
[2012-02-11 17:00:07] binary size 1 : 0
[2012-02-11 17:00:07] OpenCL compiler generated a zero sized binary, may need to
 reboot!
[2012-02-11 17:00:07] Failed to init GPU thread 3, disabling device 1

[2012-02-11 17:00:07] 4 gpu miner threads started
[2012-02-11 17:00:12] API not running - API will not be available

[2012-02-11 17:01:07] Testing pool http://pit.deepbit.net:8332

[2012-02-11 17:01:08] Successfully retrieved and deciphered work from pool 0 htt
p://pit.deepbit.net:8332
[2012-02-11 17:01:08] Pushing pooltest work to base pool
[[22001122--0022--1111  1177::0011::080]8 ]P Pouoslh i0n gh wtotrpk: t/o/ gpeitt
w.odreke qpubeiute. n e  t :  8 3 3 2    a  l  i  v
e[ 2 0 1 2 - 0 2 - 1 1  1 7 : 0 1 :   0 8
] Popping work to stage thread
3243  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU bitforce overclock monitor fanspeed RPC in C linux/windows/osx 2.2.4 on: February 11, 2012, 10:58:02 PM
Just installed 2.2.4 on WinXP Catalyst 11.6.

It did not generate the .bin files for me.  I tried multiple times with different command line options and rebooted and tried again.

I copied my renamed .bin files over from the previous install and am working now.
Thanks,
Sam
I know this has been long standing, but there is more debugging in newer versions. Just once more for my crying pleasure, can you start it with --verbose -D -T (without any bin files in the directory) and give me the full output please?

Here you go.  Let me know if you need anything else.  I appreciate it.
Thanks,
Sam

Code:
cgm224>cgminer --verbose -D -T
[2012-02-11 16:50:20] Started cgminer 2.2.4
[2012-02-11 16:50:20] CL Platform 0 vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

[2012-02-11 16:50:20] CL Platform 0 name: AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing

[2012-02-11 16:50:20] CL Platform 0 version: OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4 (650.9)

[2012-02-11 16:50:20] Platform 0 devices: 2
[2012-02-11 16:50:20] GPU 0 iAdapterIndex 0 strUDID PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_689E&SUBSYS
_E177174B&REV_00_4&3014B34A&0&0020A iBusNumber 2 iDeviceNumber 0 iFunctionNumber
 0 iVendorID 1002 strAdapterName  ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series

[2012-02-11 16:50:20] GPU 1 iAdapterIndex 2 strUDID PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_68B8&SUBSYS
_21401462&REV_00_4&276E9505&0&0010A iBusNumber 1 iDeviceNumber 0 iFunctionNumber
 0 iVendorID 1002 strAdapterName  ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series

[2012-02-11 16:50:20] GPU 0 ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series   hardware monitoring enab
led
[2012-02-11 16:50:20] GPU 1 ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series hardware monitoring enable
d
[2012-02-11 16:50:20] Need to specify at least one pool server.

Pool setup failed
3244  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [284 GH] Ozcoin Pooled Mining Pty Ltd DGM Is Back on: February 11, 2012, 08:26:14 PM
Prepending www and not using SSL works for me. non-www redirects to SSL which is broken.
http://www.ozco.in/

Neither the hosts file entry nor your suggestion works for me.  I also changed DNS servers and no help.
Sam
3245  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [284 GH] Ozcoin Pooled Mining Pty Ltd DGM Is Back on: February 11, 2012, 07:47:08 PM
Is the website supposed to be up yet?  I'm still getting "Website Offline, No Cached Version Available"
Sam

Use the non-SSL site (which is working for at least two days now ;-).

I get the same error for both
http://ozco.in/
https://ozco.in/

Sam
3246  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU bitforce overclock monitor fanspeed RPC in C linux/windows/osx 2.2.4 on: February 11, 2012, 05:31:07 PM
Just installed 2.2.4 on WinXP Catalyst 11.6.

It did not generate the .bin files for me.  I tried multiple times with different command line options and rebooted and tried again.

I copied my renamed .bin files over from the previous install and am working now.
Thanks,
Sam

So are you saying that cgminer 2.2.4 does not work with catalyst 11.6 Huh

Thanks !

NO!

I'm saying that this version didn't generate the .bin files when I ran it.  This has been an ongoing annoyance for me.  I have copied the .bin files from a previous instance of CGMiner and 2.2.4 IS working with Catalyst 11.6.

I just posted my report for informational purposes.
Sam
3247  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU bitforce overclock monitor fanspeed RPC in C linux/windows/osx 2.2.4 on: February 11, 2012, 05:05:15 PM
Just installed 2.2.4 on WinXP Catalyst 11.6.

It did not generate the .bin files for me.  I tried multiple times with different command line options and rebooted and tried again.

I copied my renamed .bin files over from the previous install and am working now.
Thanks,
Sam
3248  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [284 GH] Ozcoin Pooled Mining Pty Ltd DGM Is Back on: February 11, 2012, 04:33:50 PM
Is the website supposed to be up yet?  I'm still getting "Website Offline, No Cached Version Available"
Sam
3249  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU bitforce overclock monitor fanspeed RPC in C linux/windows/osx 2.2.3 on: February 11, 2012, 04:28:58 AM
Maybe nobody cares, but I should notice anyway.
Version 2.0.8 (win32) is last that works fast and effective. My 5850 gives 350 MH/s and I'm happy with the speed. All later versions (I tried every one of them) under the same conditions (cmdline options are the same) give just 308 MH/s
Any ideas?

Yes, you upgraded your video drivers. Thats the root cause. The reason your old copy of cgminer still works faster, is because it contains a cached/compiled copy of the .BIN file generated with your old drivers and sdk. If you were to reinstall 2.0.8 you will likely get the same lousy hashrate.

See here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63383.0

Thanks! You saved my brain from explosion)

So, if the description is accurate you should be able to copy the .bin files from your fast 2.0.8 to the current version and get the higher hash rate.
Sam
3250  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU bitforce overclock monitor fanspeed RPC in C linux/windows/osx 2.2.3 on: February 10, 2012, 11:00:25 PM
OK, so I take it that I can no longer copy the .bin files from previous versions of CGMiner?
I can't get 2.2.3 to generate them.
Sam
Change the datestamp on your old bins to the new dates. That will do it. One day, just one day, I'd like for that fucking failed to build bug to go away. Maybe next release!  Roll Eyes

That worked.

I keep hoping it will go away sometime too.  While I was messing with this I found that the .bin files I've been using aren't from the 2.0.0 build but from 1.6.2.  Don't know if that matters or not at this point.
Thanks,
Sam
3251  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU bitforce overclock monitor fanspeed RPC in C linux/windows/osx 2.2.3 on: February 10, 2012, 08:27:39 PM
OK, so I take it that I can no longer copy the .bin files from previous versions of CGMiner?
I can't get 2.2.3 to generate them.
Sam
3252  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [3600 Gh/s] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too on: February 10, 2012, 03:26:56 AM
Is it planned for DeepBit to support Merged Mining (Bitcoind + Namecoin, like BTC Guild does) in the near future?

They do, they just keep the NMCs.
Proof?

Either they're keeping them, or they're a bunch of ignorant idiots... or just lazy  Tongue

And one would be an idiot not to mine NMC because it is just so valuable right?!?!?!?

The last time I checked it took something like 250 NMC to equal 1 BTC!  Merged mining is a waste of time and effort!!!!!!

Only an idiot would insist on MM.
Sam
3253  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This world runs on EVIL,GREED and SELFISHNESS on: February 08, 2012, 01:17:34 AM
What tax do you propose for greedy politicians?  For assholes on the road?
People that don't give a damn about smoking in public places?
the list goes on and on...


I am not talking about SICK people like child molesters or rapists..they deserve to die.
But supposedly "normal" people that care about nobody or anything but #1 ( themselves)



It seems you have some ideas, maybe?  What are they?
Sam

Not really. I believe myself to but a VERY law abiding person, but some days i just wish i had the
guts to be a vigilante . The punishments i see that criminals get just make me laugh. How can
an evil person be deterred from committing another crime when it's just WORTHWHILE...

Just as an example... we have drivers that get ticket after ticket for speeding, running red lights
and they get a fine..A FINE after the 3rd , 4th  , 10th time....  just take away there damn driving license!
but no... that will be too much , poor guy.. how will he get to work? Isn't there a limit to a persons liberties?

 


Nobody is held accountable for their actions anymore.  That is a huge problem of our time.  Don't know what to do about it offhand.  I don't think being a vigilante would be the correct course though, and I'm pretty sure your not promoting that.  We do have the due process of law in the United States.  It's not a perfect system but it has worked pretty good in the past when the legal system would hold people accountable for their actions.
Sam

3254  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This world runs on EVIL,GREED and SELFISHNESS on: February 06, 2012, 07:12:26 PM
If the gov't took away their license how would they keep collecting fines???
so the judges are in cahoots with the rest of the bunch.....

Well so many municipalities are going to red light cameras and speed detectors.  They can't legally charge the perp with a crime because a police officer didn't catch them and witness it and press charges/ticket them, a machine, who answers to no one, did.  So they have to decriminalize these crimes and make the automated process of ticketing someone a civil suite.

So basically our solution to too many people breaking the law's is to decriminalize them and automate the enforcement of lesser charges that then becomes a revenue source for the municipality.

So judges aren't even involved usually.  And there is less/no accountability.  Ain't technology great?
Sam
3255  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This world runs on EVIL,GREED and SELFISHNESS on: February 06, 2012, 03:14:54 PM
What tax do you propose for greedy politicians?  For assholes on the road?
People that don't give a damn about smoking in public places?
the list goes on and on...


I am not talking about SICK people like child molesters or rapists..they deserve to die.
But supposedly "normal" people that care about nobody or anything but #1 ( themselves)



It seems you have some ideas, maybe?  What are they?
Sam
3256  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This world runs on EVIL,GREED and SELFISHNESS on: February 05, 2012, 11:21:37 PM
Well, you can't judge a community by a vocal minority.

True enough, but to a noob it may seem like a majority.  Whether it is a majority or not it discourages people and drives them away.

There is nothing wrong with barriers to enter mining. I wish they were higher to be honest.

I could not disagree more.  I would think the Bitcoin community would want the maximum number of people, regardless of technical aptitude, to download and install the Bitcoin Client and run it.

And honestly, CPU mining via the client is a waste of energy. I don't think we should be encouraging people to waste energy, there are already enough critics that complain about Bitcoin's footprint.

With all due respect, but, who are you to judge how I choose to use my electricity and for what purpose I choose to use it?  Do you pay my electric bill?  Do you know where my electricity comes from?  And who gives a FRA what any critic says about a footprint.  I don't.

Bitcoin is not only about mining. It's one aspect. The barriers to mine are not the same as the barriers to use. I think the barriers to use are the most important to break down for the future success of Bitcoin. If people want to take the extra step to learn how the network works and do their part, fantastic.

True too.  But when the Generate Coin option was removed you removed the incentive to "give a whirl" altogether for many people.  Again I would think the community would want as many people as possible to install and run the client.  Is that an incorrect assumption?

That said, P2Pool built into the client, so people with the appropriate hardware can mine effectively, would be great.

I'm sure that is a completely unbiased opinion on your part right? Smiley

I think it would be more, or at least just as, productive as reinstating CPU mining and maybe some type of generic GPU mining capability back into the client.

Just think if every Bitcoin user/miner installed the client on every machine they had and mined on just one CPU core at a very low priority and/or had an integrated GPU module similar to Ufasofts which did not require additional software to be installed on the machine and solo mined at a low hash rate that didn't impact computer usage, what would that do to the distributed nature of the Bitcoin network?  My WAG would be that we wouldn't be worrying about Deepbit, or any other pool, impacting the network quite some much.

Sam
3257  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This world runs on EVIL,GREED and SELFISHNESS on: February 05, 2012, 09:32:54 PM
Today we have a better option. Mining on P2Pool, you only have to trust your ability to keep your Bitcoins safe. An added bonus is that you are also helping decentralize the network.

Also the community, in general, needs to take responsibility for pools centralizing the network too much, if that's indeed the case, by pushing people away from solo mining.

I've never seen the community push people away from solo mining. Unless you are suggesting the community (of miners) grew, increasing the difficulty, and thus pushing people away from solo mining.

When I started getting interested in Bitcoin and asked for guidance, some people, kindly enough, suggested that CPU mining and solo mining probably weren't the best use of resources.  But then there were more than a few who went further on both subjects to suggest was just plain stupid to solo mine not only stupid but implied that it was somehow immoral to CPU mine and hence it was proper to remove it from the client.

All I really wanted to do, in the beginning, was to get a CPU or low end GPU mining on a machine, that was running 24/7 anyway, up and running and then just forget about it and check the wallet a couple times a year.

And I think that many people may/could be turned away from Bitcoin because of these barriers.  If there were a simple way for a person to get started so that they didn't have to spend allot of time, like many of us do, they would be more inclined to be involved in Bitcoin.  Even if it is only to CPU mine for a while with the standard client.

Sam
3258  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This world runs on EVIL,GREED and SELFISHNESS on: February 05, 2012, 08:52:12 PM
Today we have a better option. Mining on P2Pool, you only have to trust your ability to keep your Bitcoins safe. An added bonus is that you are also helping decentralize the network.

Also the community, in general, needs to take responsibility for pools centralizing the network too much, if that's indeed the case, by pushing people away from solo mining.

And developers need to take responsibility, in particular, by removing the Coin Generation option from the Bitcoin client which probably did the most to drive the last nail in the coffin of a decentralized network.

I'm NOT saying P2Pool is a bad development, however, I still don't know what I should think about that yet.

Sam
3259  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This world runs on EVIL,GREED and SELFISHNESS on: February 05, 2012, 08:24:29 PM
So the answer is - we cant do anything - this is humane nature.

Kinda reminds me of the series "Terra Nova"

For those they dont know it:

The future world is in shambles, they find a wormhole to go back 65 million years.

"Lets send back the best people and start a new and better world!"

What happens is of course more of the same evil, greed and selfishness but with dinosaurs



Who's qualified to say who the best people are?  If they could be identified, I think, the "best people" would create the same mess we now have over time, dinosaurs or not. Smiley
Sam
3260  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This world runs on EVIL,GREED and SELFISHNESS on: February 05, 2012, 08:21:54 PM
So the answer is - we cant do anything - this is humane nature.

Hmm, quite the contrary.  We can't do anything about others, for the most part.  But we can accept responsibility for our part in the mess of this world and improve what we have control over, which is ourselves.
Sam
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