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3261  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 30, 2017, 09:46:32 PM
Are closed altcoin profits in btc a realized gain? That wouldn't be fair because if I hold them indefinitely they will inevitably be worth 0 and uncle Sam isn't going to reimburse me.
If you trade any of your cryptos for crypto, fiat, or even goods, you're creating a taxable event on which you get a tax break in the case of losses [...]

Wait, are you sure about this? so if my commodities depreciate I get to pay less taxes? I'm completely ignorant about US tax law
Keep in mind that I am basically ignorant about the US tax code as well. But generally if you close positions at a loss it's benefitial to you from a tax perspective (tax deducible). You could game that too with a sufficiently diversified portfolio by kicking out your losers and thus keeping more of your (realized) profits. It's not lucrative enough to specifically target shitty investments though.
3262  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟 on: November 30, 2017, 09:30:49 PM
The fact that Lauda has a working wallet Beta is reassuring. Wish this information had come out sooner, it might have calmed down some people.

Indeed! It's time for the team to hire a PR manager, like Lauda suggested, to avoid further FUD.
While I would appreciate a PR manager, I don't really care anymore. The fact that Lauda has a working wallet is good enough for me considering all the facts.

The money is escrowed and the devs are perfectionists. In other words, there is literally nothing left to worry about when it comes to the credibility of NVO.
3263  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 30, 2017, 09:27:17 PM
Are closed altcoin profits in btc a realized gain? That wouldn't be fair because if I hold them indefinitely they will inevitably be worth 0 and uncle Sam isn't going to reimburse me.
If you trade any of your cryptos for crypto, fiat, or even goods, you're creating a taxable event on which you get a tax break in the case of losses and a tax bill in the case of gains. Doesn't really matter if it's Bitcoin, an altcoins or any other asset.

Apparently there are like-kind exchanges in the US which allow tax deferals, but I'm not at all familiar with how those work. If you could just flip BTCs and alts and defer taxes indefinitely that would be a pretty major thing.
3264  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] SONM: Supercomputer Organized by Network Mining on: November 30, 2017, 09:23:56 PM


How did you guys know SNM will be more than $0.30 by q1 2018? There is nothing yet had been adopted yet, its even painted in red this time. The last time I saw the price was about $0.22 and dips down to the very low of 0.06 cents.  I would assume a bigger whale had consumed it all and will kept draining the funds just like how it all works in most projects. I think the price will still be this low even after their systems are implemented.

the token supply is about 450 million. I assume when companies want to join they'll have to pay 'rent' in sonm tokens. This means when more companies join, less tokens will be in circulation, which makes your tokens will be more rare and therefore more valuable. I also assume that when their main net launches, they'll have gathered a lot of credibility and partners, which means from the start a lot of companies will be part of the network, and therefore paying rent. That's why I believe prices will reach the ATH quite fast, and the overal cap will be over 1 billion by the end of 2018 I think. If we look at how fast bitcoin rose in 1 year, Sonm can do that too. The difference is Sonm actually has  a product; bitcoin can be described as the google of coins, it doesnt offer a lot but more than anything it bridges the gap between customers and products
Google offers a lot though, at least in the back-end of things. I guess >99% of what is happening is lost at the actual user, but it's still quite incredible and highly interesting for any nerd.

Bitcoin also offers quite a lot. It may be quantitatively less than Google does, but qualitatively it's potentially bigger than the entirety of the internet.

But nitpicking aside, SONM can easily spike yes. I hope it doesn't until August 2018 though.
3265  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 30, 2017, 09:19:05 PM
All coinbase users that didn't pay taxes on gains after selling their BTC or trading alts are F*'d up.
FTFY.
Or do you have to pay taxes on a yearly base regardless of whether or not you've liquidated your assets in the US?

Good question, actually. Don't have an answer for you :| To my understanding, there is only a tax obligation upon any realized profit or loss, but what do I know.
I know that is the case in (at least some parts of) Europe and Canada.

I haven't checked the US in detail yet as most states have far too high capital gains taxes for my taste...

Would appreciate it if somebody could clarify this though, as I've been looking for a new place to move to in the near future and some parts of the US were actually on the list.
3266  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 30, 2017, 09:09:21 PM
All coinbase users that didn't pay taxes on gains after selling their BTC or trading alts are F*'d up.

FTFY.
Or do you have to pay taxes on a yearly base regardless of whether or not you've liquidated your assets in the US?
3267  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Top 10 altcoins to buy right now before is too late on: November 30, 2017, 09:05:50 PM
Masternodes, Onion, ChainLINK, Ethereum Smiley
High potentials, projects that will make money in the coming years. NXT and NEO are good choices too Smiley
Masternodes are pointless if they don't belong to a strong project with real utility. It's just a buzzword that doesn't create any real value on its own.
3268  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Top 10 altcoins to buy right now before is too late on: November 30, 2017, 09:05:05 PM
I feel a good vibe about Onion. I think it will reach 30-50$ by the end of 2018.

But where is their funding coming from? How will they develop if they only hold their own tokens??
By selling those tokens to people who love insane risk or just have no clue what they are buying I suppose? There are people who climb up buildings with no safety measures too... Some people are just mental.
3269  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 🔥Tokugawa Coin 🔥 Japanese Masternode 🔥1000% ROI🔥Buy in ICO on: November 30, 2017, 09:02:30 PM
Make sure to download this wallet on a separate computer, ideally with a separate connection if you want to make sure that your funds stay safe; if you absolutely have to use a scamcoin that is.
3270  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ANN [MCO] MONACO #1 Cryptocurrency Payments Card on: November 30, 2017, 08:58:56 PM
This is DEFINITELY the most undervalued project in Crypto's history. Is like in August it come from 0,65$ to 28$ in 2 weeks.

I can't understand why people are not buying yet, I've already bought heavy bags, it because it is obvious this coin will moon so hard.

It's only 50M market cap! many news are coming in this days, VISA is already approved, Packages for shipping are ready, we are ready for the beta test, app is coming. The dev team is very active on Slack and Telegram,we are going to be listed on many exchanges on December. Bobby Bao, a team member, posted on his twitter pictures that show him at many crypto conferences. I believe we are going to be listed on some major exchanges it will give us more volume.

All news are coming in December: New exchanges, App upgrade, beta test, cards shipping, AC replacement.

Why are we only 50M market cap? it is madness. We will get a x20 at least after all of it. (as happened in August - same situation)

I would like to add another thing: This is not a speculation coin, this is not a shitcoin. This is a solid project with a very strong DEV team, this coin has a intrinsic value, it is not like many coins with 200M market cap just because of P&D groups are on it.

Enjoy
 

Looks like u r talking to urself to soothe the pain of that heavy bahd u hold Cheesy

probably you're right, anyway I keep belive, that's why I didn't sell one single token.


You are totally right. We will see $100+ soon, just wait for btc drop and money will flow into alts. Smiley
Define soon?

Even with 100k cards with a generous average volume of $2k p.a. we'd only hit 200m annual revenue, which could be bloated up to barely 1 billion in market cap and a token price of less than $32. And we're at less than 30k cards ordered with zero cards in used right now.
3271  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: BTC is dead. The plan is a shift to Bitcoin Cash. on: November 30, 2017, 08:55:53 PM
after two hardforks all the bcash supporters will move to original bitcoin
Which in their book still seems to be BCash.

At least they're in the minority and even exchanges are switching Bitcoin Cash over to BCash now to reduce the confusion.
3272  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 30, 2017, 08:54:06 PM
Hold on your shorts boys! Roll Eyes
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-29/coinbase-loses-bid-to-block-irs-probe-of-bitcoin-gains

All coinbase users are F*'d up.

If you one of those lucky 250,000 new users to their site within the last pump in bitcoin's price then your screwed.
The video on that article... lol

Do people actually eat that shit up or are these two really just that clueless? Granted it was very brief, but their arguments are just completely incoherent to say the least.
3273  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: █【ANN】【ICO】█【PRE-SALE】 🌟 【SOLD OUT】 ██ 🌟 BLOCKLANCER ██ JOIN GIG ECONOMY BOOM on: November 30, 2017, 08:48:50 PM
I'm watching the video right now and a question came up to me.

What happens if someone decides to abuse the fact that the blockchain is incorruptible by either spamming the platform or something similar?
3274  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 30, 2017, 08:28:11 PM
After Finex now Cryptopia.

Another hit for Roger's scam  Cheesy



Is this actually real? I might have discovered a new fetish...
3275  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 30, 2017, 12:44:24 PM

thus, the main question from them...with crypto as a 'backstop' was how will I handle it when it goes Tulips?

alas, they are still not on board, getting any....themselves

progress though....by tulips...they see it dumping to 2-3k, so hey I will take what I can get...not going completely to zero

eventually, fomo, will wear everyone down to getting crypto...especially if ETF's ever come to pass...

Funny how all these finance guys keep thinking that you've bought tulips, and that you've always bought them at some high-ish level in a bubble that's clearly going to pop. They think this no matter when you bought bitcoin.

Like bitcoins are hot potatoes that if you were stupid enough to buy, you need to dump them fast and make profit before your hands get burned.

Then these same guys extol the virtues of having your wealth in the U.S. stock market, which is currently in the most overvalued territory it's ever been in history.

I've never seen anything like this in all my years.
Humanity in a nutshell. I have yet to find any aspect of it which doesn't roughly follow this kind of pattern.
3276  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: BTC is dead. The plan is a shift to Bitcoin Cash. on: November 30, 2017, 12:13:21 PM
That said Roger ver about BITCOIN AND BCASH

Roger Ver is sure that the first #cryptocurrency without any problems overcome the mark of $10000 by the end of this year. At the same time he believes that in 2018 #BitcoinCash will overtake #BTC in terms of capitalization, number of users, and even cost
Ver is irrelevant.
3277  Economy / Economics / Re: Why economists say Bitcoin a bubble on: November 30, 2017, 12:12:16 PM
I talk to big economists they say Is only a Bubble my thought Is no bitcoin Is revolution of economy even doesnt have a background like gold the value Is power of the people what do you think?

A bubble is a bubble when something is overbought, it is that simple. Is bitcoin overbought right now?
With a supply of 21 million (not considering lost BTCs), with all the brightest minds working on it, with the strongest network, and with a marketcap that is still very small compared to what a global 24/7 market like bitcoin is could deliver.... then no, I don't think we are anywhere near a bubble. Corrections will come and go, that doesn't mean we were in a bubble.
Indeed, it's not overbought because, people investing their own funds to buy this cryptocurrency and live market which is having live traders proves that the price trully right and people paying this amount for cryptocurencies
If crypto does not have any value at all, then we could have as well just considered it a bubble and most people are just getting in to rake a lot from the demand.

Most of these so called economists do not even understand how crypto works and then they go to the media to spew the rubbish their head tells them to spew and at the end go to the back to buy in once they are able to mislead their dumb followers.
I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of them were paid to shill or shilling in their own interest either.
3278  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Ethereum a bubble? on: November 30, 2017, 12:11:16 PM
Ethereum was never a bubble. We saw it coming. Ethereum is the best alt coin around in many aspects. We use it a lot on daily basis while making trades etc. I am sure most of the people who underestimated ethereum back then are regretting now.
No man, And can you tell me about the actual price of the ethereum itself. The increase and decrease on the ethereum's value gives a real evidence about the fact that ethereum is including on the bubble or even bitcoin was a bubble too. You are misunderstanding about that.
I have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you suggesting that Bitcoin and Ethereum are bubbles or not? Ethereum especially has been very stable for several months now.
Ethereum has pumped the price in past days to new all time highest price (USD rates). Of course, with the growth of Bitcoin to $9,000 and seem the Bitcoin price does not want to stop soon, the Bitcoin rates of Ethereum dumped is reasonable, in my opinion.
I don't care Ethereum based currenciesand even if they die Ethereum Will Survive. It has remain at the top of alternative cons since the beginning And like Bitcoin survive through all the tough times. This shows the real capitalize 80 of Ethereum.

Though it is nowhere close to bitcoin but still it is the second best digital currency in the world. As far as improvements are concerned all Technologies need that with time.


It certainly is the second biggest cryptocurrency in the world, but that doesn't mean that it's the second best.
3279  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 30, 2017, 12:10:06 PM
Full day without buying bitcoin. Coinbase, get your s*** together already.
 Roll Eyes
Is that why Bitcoin is dying to only ~$10k?
3280  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.10.0 on: November 30, 2017, 12:07:15 PM
Price didn't slip under during red candles everywhere now seeing last days volume I don't think it will be sooner to see Doge under 20 satoshi. More chances to see this bouncing back along with other altcoins markets. It is looking in short term for trading purpose don't how what future has reserves for us all.
I'm still hoping for a rather bullish December on the DOGE markets - lets see what happens =)
If we reach the old Doge ATH (as measured in BTC) that would be a very nice Christmas.
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