® means there is a registered trademark....^TM means a trademark is claimed...

yea that is against the rules. I don't think it is technically "copy pasting" as in plagiarism though. 

Probably not the best of ideas considering his extortion history.

It also looks like this statement is questionable considering the above post:

This post should not be construed as legal advice.

Based upon my review of relivant law, and the facts surrounding the sale of OgNasty’s “bitcoin NastyPenny” I would say the case for trademark infringement is far from an open and shut case.

The standard for infringement appears to be if the use of a trademark (or something very similar to a trademark) is likely to cause confusion to a consumer.  One important fact is that OgNasty was in fact selling a product named in the trademark with additional “features”.

Although not pertinent to the legal evualation of the situation, bitcoinpenny did post that OgNasty’s sale of the coins were seen positively by what is essentially a portion of his customer base. I would suggest that he at least make an evualation as to if OgNasty’s specific use of bitcoin and penny have a net positive impact on his business— if so he should consent to the limited use of his trademark, making the question of infringement moot.

As far as I can tell, the only part of the trademark used was the word “penny”. (Someone can correct me if I missed something).

I don’t think you understand what trademark infringement is.

No. I am not sure how I could have been more clear in my post..

I am no expert on IP law, however I don’t think this would be an infringement. The infringement, if one exists would be from the use of “in code we trust” on the backside of the coin (he didn’t use your actual coin, did he? If so then I don’t think there is any grounds to argue infringement) where it said “in code we trust” and similar.

As I mentioned previously, additional research needs to be done on IP law to give an opinion one way or another.

Cases of trademark infringement are rarely open and shut and as such these types of disputes can result in litigation, the outcome of which is often unclear until a ruling has been made.

Theymos’ libertarian believes do not give a lot of weight to IP.

I don’t think it is clear that a trademark was infringed upon anyway. I would need to research IP laws to get a make a more authoritative statement on this.

Thank you. That was exactly what I needed to know

So for clarification, you have no specific accusation that you would consider "baseless". Is this correct? If not, please point to the specific accusation. Thanks.

a very simple solution to this would be to disallow these types of symbols throughout the forum. Or at the very least in the english sections, in which there is absolutely no reason to need to use them. 

I'm sorry, what is the baseless accusation that I "threw out". I will be sure to quickly back it up with facts and un-refutable  proof.

Owlcatz has said in the past that he uses telegram, including today.

I understand that OgNasty was saying that owlcatz was one of a small number of people that 'have it out for' OgNasty that use telegram.

Also, owlcatz was part of an extortion conspiracy, which IMO shows he is willing to break the law for financial benefits.

It appears as if other third parties (assuming owlcatz is not lying about the whole ideal) are making the conclusions themselves that owlcatz was the one attempting to impersonate OgNasty attempting a MITM escrow scam.

Also, OgNasty never threatened to call the police on owlcatz, he encouraged telegram to forward information about the actual MITM escrow scammer to the police. Owlcatz later said that he was threatened with police action.


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What, are you going to try to extort me too? Or are you going to leave that to lauda?

I don't pay extortion demands, sorry.

Oh wow, it looks like owlcatz might be a serial scammer. First conspiring to extort people with lauda, TMAN and others, and now he is trying to impersonate extremely trusted escrow agents on Telegram. Maybe it wasn't him directly, maybe it was someone in his close group.

This certainly does not look good for him.

Your behavior and interactions with him clearly shows you were conspiring with lauda (and others) to attempt to extort at least one person.

I am not wrong. If anyone has any questions about if there is truth to this, see the below screenshot:

Well to be fair, you were part of an extortion conspiracy, so it would probably be a good idea to avoid doing any kind of business with you.

Considering how many shill accounts one of your extortion parters have, I would expect a lot of shills backing you