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January 26, 2017, 02:36:30 AM
Last edit: March 08, 2018, 11:43:26 PM by Quickseller
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What happened:: Lauda attempted to extort another user by asking for  a"cut to keep quiet" about zeroaxl's alleged criminal activity. Lauda admitted to sending an "extortion message" (highlighted archive) to zeroaxl. In the extortion message, Lauda claimed to be aware of, and have evidence of serious criminal activity that zeroaxl was allegedly involved in. Immidiately prior to sending this 'extortion message' Lauda (and upon information and belief, others) was (were) badgering zeroaxl about his alleged criminal activity.

Shortly thereafter, TMAN created a thread (various archives of the thread can be found here) that was intended to make additional claims of knowledge of alleged criminal activity on the part of zeroaxl, give additional "reminders" of the consequences of such alleged criminal activity if law enforcement were to get notified, as well as an attempt to harm zeroaxl's reputation here, making it more difficult for him to profitably conduct business in the forum.

Around the same time that Lauda sent the extortion message, minifrij opened a thread attempting to get zeroaxl banned from the forum, which would also make it more difficult for him to conduct business on the forum.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872 - Lauda f/k/a LaudaM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=98986 - TMAN
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=138940 - minifrij

Although there may be additional people that actively participated in this extortion attempt, I do not yet have concrete evidence of their participation.

Amount Scammed: It is unclear if an extortion payment was actually made or not, as the victim did not disclose an address that Lauda was asking for payment to be sent to.

Additional Notes: Upon receipt of the extortion message from Lauda, zeroaxl opened a scam accusation thread against Lauda, and about 16 hours later, all three (the threads opened by zeroaxl, TMAN, and minifrij) threads were locked, edited so that there was no content in each of their respective OPs, and moved to archival within 20 minutes of eachother.

minifrij claims to not be a part of the extortion conspiracy, however he was claiming to be well aware of the status of the extortion payment, and he did oblige (archive of his entire post) to removing his thread when zeroaxl and TMAN were "negotiating" immidiately after zeroaxl received an extortion demand.

Lauda has claimed that the 'extortion message' was an attempt to gather information as part of an investigation, however the payment of an extortion demand would not necessarily indicate guilt (see below)
>Paying an extortion payment -
>The fact that someone makes an extortion payment does not necessarily mean
>that the information claimed to be in possession of by the criminal is true.
>I had posted a couple of reasons why a victim may pay an extortion payment
>when untrue information is being threatened to be released. Another reason
>why someone may pay an extortion payment is that they are on parole, and a
>person’s parole office receiving a report of criminal activity by the victim
>may result in the victim going back to jail while this claim can be
>investigated. As a result of this,
...
>I would not consider the fact that
>someone paid an extortion payment an admission that the information used
>to extort the victim is true.


edit: March 4, 2018

After careful consideration of the relevant facts, I am adding the following people to this allegation:
IronMarvel2 http://archive.is/QSGC5#selection-4687.0-4686.2
owlcatz http://archive.is/QSGC5#selection-4995.0-5004.1

The reason being is that they were either harassing the victim by making outrageous claims of crimes that no reasonable person would believe is true, or provided private personal information that was provided by the victim under the guise of it remaining confidential.



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January 26, 2017, 09:07:40 AM
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It seems all Reputed people are involved in this extortion, even forum Moderator is involved.
what to say more about it, i thought theymos pay the mods here enough that they don't need to do such activity.. Undecided


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January 26, 2017, 12:21:53 PM
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Additional Notes:  Upon receipt of the extortion message from Lauda, zeroaxl opened a scam accusation thread against Lauda, and about 16 hours later, all three (the threads opened by zeroaxl, TMAN, and minifrij) threads were locked, edited so that there was no content in each of their respective OPs, and moved to archival within 20 minutes of eachother.

Looks like they all agreed to sort the issue privately between themselves, since all the threads were locked and edited with 'TBC'. Zeroxal is still active on the forum and he could unlock his own accusation thread if he wished to, so I don't see why would you create this one.

I haven't gone to deep in the details, but am of opinion that the intentions were good and genuine, but the entire idea of playing self-made law enforcers and performing sting operation was indeed pretty fucking stupid (and likely illegal).

Has Lauda stated what he would actually do with the money if Zeroxal decided to pay?


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January 26, 2017, 12:41:45 PM
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The topic about Lauda one after another, I saw on him in 2 months more than I saw on Satoshi Nakalotoo in 8 years, and this one seems to be the most interesting After this.
It seems all Reputed people are involved in this extortion, even forum Moderator is involved.
what to say more about it, i thought theymos pay the mods here enough that they don't need to do such activity.. Undecided

Lauda is no longer a staff member

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January 26, 2017, 12:58:44 PM
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It seems all Reputed people are involved in this extortion, even forum Moderator is involved.
what to say more about it, i thought theymos pay the mods here enough that they don't need to do such activity.. Undecided
Some people just get greedy. Lauda comes across as someone who does whatever he wants without considering the effects of his actions upon other people. I do not know TMAN nor have I even heard of him prior to this incident. minifrig seems to just follow the heard.

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Additional Notes:  Upon receipt of the extortion message from Lauda, zeroaxl opened a scam accusation thread against Lauda, and about 16 hours later, all three (the threads opened by zeroaxl, TMAN, and minifrij) threads were locked, edited so that there was no content in each of their respective OPs, and moved to archival within 20 minutes of eachother.

Looks like they all agreed to sort the issue privately between themselves, since all the threads were locked and edited with 'TBC'. Zeroxal is still active on the forum and he could unlock his own accusation thread if he wished to, so I don't see why would you create this one.
This was implying that the threads were closed with the intention of trying to get zeroaxl to pay up.

I haven't gone to deep in the details, but am of opinion that the intentions were good and genuine,
I disagree. As stated in the OP, getting someone to pay an extortion payment proves little more than the fact that the extortion victim has at least the amount of money that he paid

Has Lauda stated what he would actually do with the money if Zeroxal decided to pay?
No, not publicly.

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January 26, 2017, 01:07:20 PM
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Didn't expect that. I wonder whether he was removed or stepped down himself.

Anyhow, if the 'victim' - Zeroxal considers the case settled, then I see no point in debating the issue any further.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1761133.msg17603873#msg17603873

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I can assure that not a single satoshi has been paid to the extortion attempt. Everything has been discussed privately using slack and we decided to put down the threads for the time being. Lauda has been doing a great job regarding this matter, I have brought him evidence of me not being guilty of possessing illegal funds. I do think this case has been settled, but many others are not the same opinion. I kindly ask what still needs to be "investigated".

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January 26, 2017, 01:54:08 PM
Last edit: January 26, 2017, 02:13:25 PM by Zeroxal
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This case has been settled already. Not a single satoshi of payment was made to the attempt and everything was handled privately. The extortion attempt was made for "good intent" and was aimed for me to release information for my apparent "crimes". Crazy speculations without any proof. A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed, trying to beat information out by threatening me with crimes I never did. I wasted alot of time into this now and all I got was a bad name from it for apparent criminal activity.
However, I believe this blackmail and extortion attempt already brought fair consequences, as lauda is no longer a staff member anymore and until lauda or someone else accuses me of more apparent "crimes", I believe this case can be closed. I had enough from witch trials and don't want to get involved in another one. All I want now is to clean my name again.
As of now, my full dox has been handed out to the "investigation" team, which makes me very uncomfortable and wish to be deleted and NOT published in any way.

Also, TMAN was only involved because he has started all the heat by accusing me of a hacker and was totally against me for a while. He has now calmed down and apologized for his actions.

Edit:
Lauda did not give me an address to send the extortion payment to.
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January 26, 2017, 03:00:39 PM
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The extortion attempt was made for "good intent"
..
A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed
I've seen several threads about this, but didn't follow it in full detail. I was shocked to see the extortion attempt by Lauda, and from what I've seen from her (him?), I do believe it was out of good intent.
I also believe Lauda overplayed her hand, she did a great job fighting spam on this forum, so I'm sorry to see her lose her nuke-button.

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January 26, 2017, 05:22:31 PM
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The extortion attempt was made for "good intent"
..
A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed
I've seen several threads about this, but didn't follow it in full detail. I was shocked to see the extortion attempt by Lauda, and from what I've seen from her (him?), I do believe it was out of good intent.
I also believe Lauda overplayed her hand, she did a great job fighting spam on this forum, so I'm sorry to see her lose her nuke-button.
I am not sure how an attempt to extort someone can be made in "good intention". This was nothing more than an attempt to gain money that they were not entitled to.

My suspicion is that Lauda and/or his friends were able to determine that zeroxal has a lot of money, and would be willing to give up some of that wealth to avoid the hassle of a police investigation into a bunch of bogus ridiculous accusations (such as zeroaxl hacking both fox, and bitfinex, and running ponzis).

I find it very strange that zeroaxl was forced to give up his Dox to what can only be described as a gang. As long as they have his Dox, zeroaxl will of course say that the situation is resolved because he does not want his Dox published.

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January 26, 2017, 06:24:45 PM
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WOW this is a sizey piece of drama around here.. how can i get in on this ? Wink  Grin

Lauda is no longer staff here ? woah holy cow guys !
And fired or resigned ?

I will wait and see how this plays out.
Supposedly there was a sting operation behind this but i see little info on that.
It seems plausible so i don't want to jump to conclusions too quick here.

I looked at a couple links on this topic and i did not see a comment from Lauda either.. hmmm ?

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minifrij claims to not be a part of the extortion conspiracy
Which I'm not.

however he was claiming to be well aware of the status of the extortion payment
I have no idea about the status of the extortion payment, if it happened at all. I have already explained this to you.
Why do you just ignore information that isn't what you want?

and he did oblige (archive of his entire post) to removing his thread when zeroaxl and TMAN were "negotiating"
Removing a thread (which was later reposted) that will cause nothing but unnecessary drama now means that I am in on an extortion plot? Please.
May I also add that I am in good contact with all those involved due to being a member of a Slack channel for coin collectors. If this hadn't been the case, I doubt that I would have been requested to remove the thread.

immidiately after zeroaxl received an extortion demand.
You really have no idea when any of this happened, do you? The thread was originally posted at around 3AM, which was a few hours after the extortion demand had been sent. The threads were then taken down at 5PM the same day. There was over 12 hours between the extortion demand being sent and the threads being removed; that is not immediately.

minifrig seems to just follow the heard.
I follow what I think is right, regardless of what anyone else thinks.

You also seem to be having serious problems spelling our names. They're not that hard.
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Trying to hide drama doubles it.. put it on the table do what ya gotta do and move on.
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Trying to hide drama doubles it.. put it on the table do what ya gotta do and move on.
Why would I admit to something I didn't do?

People who have nothing to hide do not delete topics Cheesy
I've explained this before. I've also reposted the exact same thread since. Please keep up.
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January 26, 2017, 09:15:18 PM
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The extortion attempt was made for "good intent"
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A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed
I've seen several threads about this, but didn't follow it in full detail. I was shocked to see the extortion attempt by Lauda, and from what I've seen from her (him?), I do believe it was out of good intent.
I also believe Lauda overplayed her hand, she did a great job fighting spam on this forum, so I'm sorry to see her lose her nuke-button.

I agree with all of this.  Lauda fights for what she believes is right and I believe she thought this plan of action to be a good idea at the time.  If her intention had not been for the greater good, she would not have told others of her plan beforehand.  It's just a shame nobody was able to point out to her in time that it was actually a really really bad idea.  But who of us hasn't had a really crap idea about how to do the right thing at some point in our lives, especially when really worked up about a perceived injustice.

With no disrespect towards the other staff members who work hard around here, this forum is really going to go down the toilet fast without Lauda keeping spammers and account sales in check.
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As of now, my full dox has been handed out to the "investigation" team, which makes me very uncomfortable and wish to be deleted and NOT published in any way.

Who is this investigation team? Lauda and his sock puppets?
Lauda is from former Yugoslavia, I believe Lauda is either a hrvat or serb

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January 26, 2017, 11:50:42 PM
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Has Lauda made any statements about this whole situation, or even losing his staff position. Was he revoked from his position or did he resign? He seems to be active but I couldn't find any statements from him about the situation.
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January 27, 2017, 12:14:14 AM
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This case has been settled already. Not a single satoshi of payment was made to the attempt and everything was handled privately. The extortion attempt was made for "good intent" and was aimed for me to release information for my apparent "crimes". Crazy speculations without any proof. A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed, trying to beat information out by threatening me with crimes I never did. I wasted alot of time into this now and all I got was a bad name from it for apparent criminal activity.
However, I believe this blackmail and extortion attempt already brought fair consequences, as lauda is no longer a staff member anymore and until lauda or someone else accuses me of more apparent "crimes", I believe this case can be closed. I had enough from witch trials and don't want to get involved in another one. All I want now is to clean my name again.
As of now, my full dox has been handed out to the "investigation" team, which makes me very uncomfortable and wish to be deleted and NOT published in any way.

Also, TMAN was only involved because he has started all the heat by accusing me of a hacker and was totally against me for a while. He has now calmed down and apologized for his actions.

Edit:
Lauda did not give me an address to send the extortion payment to.

giving me negative trust QS - after the above is pretty low.. Just because I had you on ignore for your incessant ramblings and ignoring the facts presented.. can I ask were you bullied at school or something?

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This case has been settled already. Not a single satoshi of payment was made to the attempt and everything was handled privately. The extortion attempt was made for "good intent" and was aimed for me to release information for my apparent "crimes". Crazy speculations without any proof. A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed, trying to beat information out by threatening me with crimes I never did. I wasted alot of time into this now and all I got was a bad name from it for apparent criminal activity.
However, I believe this blackmail and extortion attempt already brought fair consequences, as lauda is no longer a staff member anymore and until lauda or someone else accuses me of more apparent "crimes", I believe this case can be closed. I had enough from witch trials and don't want to get involved in another one. All I want now is to clean my name again.
As of now, my full dox has been handed out to the "investigation" team, which makes me very uncomfortable and wish to be deleted and NOT published in any way.

Also, TMAN was only involved because he has started all the heat by accusing me of a hacker and was totally against me for a while. He has now calmed down and apologized for his actions.

Edit:
Lauda did not give me an address to send the extortion payment to.

giving me negative trust QS - after the above is pretty low.. Just because I had you on ignore for your incessant ramblings and ignoring the facts presented.. can I ask were you bullied at school or something?

I'd remove that last comment of yours quick and fast, it will only get you more negative trust, trust me.
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January 27, 2017, 12:22:46 AM
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why only shorena and quickseller(whose trust has no meaning because he is not trustable) negging those blackmailer shits where is warriors of justice of this community who are eager to neg newbies lol



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January 27, 2017, 12:28:45 AM
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why only shorena and quickseller(whose trust has no meaning because he is not trustable) negging those blackmailer shits where is warriors of justice of this community who are eager to neg newbies lol
Maybe because the "warriors of justice" are not so much warriors of justice, but are rather trying to accomplish something else....

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