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3341  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoiners: Idea to make Litecoin importance skyrocket in Bitcoin ecosystem on: April 16, 2013, 01:26:09 AM
Litecoin to me is useful and valuable to me in a lot of ways.

1. Diversification of one's crypto coin portfolio. You already mentioned this, so I won't elaborate too much, but someone such as myself that really likes Bitcoin can use other crypto currencies to diversify their crypto portfolio (this valuable trait is not specific to Litecoin.) Age old investing ideology comes into play here and this is just smart investing. Only investing in Bitcoin is like going all in on Google stock.

2. Litecoin being built upon Scrypt makes it stronger than most other ALT currencies, especially the ones that are SHA-256 based. If you look into the problems TRC is facing, you will see that ASICs are hoping on their chain and sending difficulty into the stratosphere. They then go to hash something else, leaving the TRC block chain moving at a snail's pace and transactions taking hours to days to confirm. All SHA-256 based ALT coins (that do not have Scrypt) will suffer from this problem until they are fixed.

3. Litecoin is useful to the crypto currency ecosystem in the way that it's useful to have Visa, MasterCard, and Discover Card... or Wells Fargo, Bank Of America, and Chase. Sure, they all do the same thing, but they all do the same thing a little bit differently. Also, if one were to fail, there are others in existance so all commerce would not screech to a halt across the nation. It is good for Bitcoin to have a competing entity that is similar but not the exact same to itself. For the benefit of free market competition, each currency will always be striving to stay ahead or to catch up to one another, at the end of the day mutually improving both currencies by default.

4. Litecoin confirms in 1/4 the time that Bitcoin does. This one is brought up the most often for obvious reasons. I am sometimes impatient and do not want to wait 10 minutes to a hour+ for one or ten confirmations on the Bitcoin block chain. Although in theory this makes Litecoin 1/4 as secure as Bitcoin, I personally have never suffered any problems using Litecoin. Also, Bitcoiners refute this point by stating Bitcoin will soon be faster as soon as the devs increase the block size (I think this is the method they are trying to use), but it is a lot easier said than done. If it was an easy thing to do, then it would have been done long ago. Litecoin is faster right at this moment, which is valuable to me.

5. Because blocks are found 4x faster, difficulty adjusts more quickly.. about every 3.5 days. This is useful because it controls the rate of the minting of Litecoins, and makes sure that they stay provably scarce for some time to come. Again, this is valuable because it stabilizes the network and deters high powered hashers from shooting difficulty into the sky and then leaving the network at a crawling pace for a longer period of time (than if blocks were solved at the same pace as Bitcoin.) This feature is not all butterflies and fairy tales, it also provides the opportunity to manipulate network speed, but as the network grows this will become less and less of a problem.

6. Then there is the "there's nothing to do with your Litecoins" fallacy. These people just don't do their research, there are plenty of things you can do and buy with Litecoin as of this instant. New merchants and services are popping up everyday, and I think this will continue to happen well into the future.

7. The Litecoin community is growing at an exponential rate. Similar to the growth of Bitcoin, as the community grows then so will Litecoin. Litecoin is already far too big and the people that believe in it are too invested in Litecoin for it to fail at this point. Litecoin can at this point proudly say that they are king of the ALT coins. It can no longer be brushed aside as a scam/pump and dump/whatever, it has real value and people are starting to see that.

8. Like Bitcoin, there was no Litecoin pre mine. There was the genesis block, and 2 blocks to confirm the genesis. This is valuable for obvious reasons... no one wants to support scammers, and for a crypto currency to become highly adopted this is a necessary feature.

9. Not everyone was so lucky to be around when Bitcoin was first started and able to buy them for pennies. The possibility of becoming an "early adopter" is very appealing to new crypto currency users. A ton of "noobs" have recently appeared in the last wave of Bitcoin mania and I've noticed that a lot of them overwhelmingly support and/or already use Litecoins.

10. As Bitcoins become more valuable over time, this will further push the poor and "working class" away from it. Some can no longer afford to buy one Bitcoin even at today's prices. People like to get more for their money, and when buying at today's exchange rate people can get more Litecoins than Bitcoins. If the same services and merchants start accepting Litecoins, then what is the purpose of paying $100+, $200+, or $300+ per bitcoin?

11. Litecoin has the advantage of doing everything after Bitcoin. By sitting and waiting in the shadows for people to bring to light exploits and bugs on Bitcoin, these problems can be fixed before there is much of a problem or before someone exploits it. Bitcoin would obviously be exploited first if there was something to exploit, because of the bigger market cap and it is more valuable for someone to exploit Bitcoin first rather than Litecoin.

12. Litecoin derives its value in the same way that Bitcoin does. It is provably scarce and its value is held up by supply and demand. Bitcoin had proven that this in itself can hold up an economy and even make it thrive. As long as there are new services and merchants accepting Litecoin (as there are), then demand should not go away. And... we all know by now that supply stays constant, thus giving Litecoin value.

13. It's anonymous.  Cool
3342  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: My avalon has smone trouble.avalon stop again:-( on: April 16, 2013, 12:27:56 AM
Oh, I cut off power,and restart....it works Huh

Technology is weird... rebooting solves >%70 of PC/technical problems.

Glad it's working, happy mining!  Smiley
3343  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoiners: Idea to make Litecoin importance skyrocket in Bitcoin ecosystem on: April 16, 2013, 12:09:54 AM
My apologies Casascius, I did not mean to turn this into a Bitcoin versus Litecoin war of words. If you can't see what makes Litecoin valuable at this point in time, then I do not think you ever will, so there's no need for me to rehash old arguments here.

At the end of the day, your idea would benefit both Litecoiners and Bitcoiners, and I think that's great. I just don't think Litecoin needs this as much as you are implying. I also don't think it should be 100% up to Litecoin developers to implement something like this, Bitcoin developers should help with it as well because it greatly benefits them too. Perhaps you should post your OP here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=6.0

You may get more serious responses there and less trolling... us Litecoiners are used to Bitcoiners coming over to the ALT forum and putting Litecoin down and spreading FUD, so naturally we are defensive when it comes to our kid, as bitcoiners are to Bitcoin. You don't seem to be the average Bitcoin troll, so I apologize for jumping to that conclusion.
3344  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoiners: Idea to make Litecoin importance skyrocket in Bitcoin ecosystem on: April 15, 2013, 11:34:24 PM
What development  Roll Eyes

Back on topic I think it would be beneficial to both Bitcoin and Litecoin.

There are new projects being announced for LTC every day and there are a lot of exciting things are in the works. Also, more and more websites and stores are accepting LTC by the minute.

Bitcoin wasn't developed over night and neither will Litecoin. It is a slow and steady process, but there's definitely development going on and you'd be foolish to think otherwise.
3345  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoiners: Idea to make Litecoin importance skyrocket in Bitcoin ecosystem on: April 15, 2013, 11:10:48 PM
Sorry to be rude, but I really can't stand the way old school bitcoiners act and talk about Litecoin.

This is what your OP sounds like to me: Litecoiners... protect my big stash of Bitcoins, after securing my nest egg, then in return I will make a lot of money by selling physical Litecoins to you guys.

Don't get me wrong, I think this is a good idea. I am somewhere in the middle of the two extremes:
Litecoiners/Bitcoiners: That's a wonderful idea!
Litecoiners: We don't need Bitcoin, nor are we going to be Bitcoin's subservient guard dog, let the ship sink!

Old school bitcoiners seem to just not get the value and use that LTC can have in the future. You blindly ignore the good things about Litecoin that so many people already see (which is why it's up to 2.30 from .07 months ago.) I'll spare you the time of listing off some of the good traits of Litecoin because I know you know them all already, you are just blinded by your big ole pile of Bitcoins.

IMHO Litecoin is doing just fine without this and it will continue to do just fine without this. Bitcoin needs this more than Litecoin needs this. If you can't see the usefulness in Litecoin at this point in its development, then just get to steppin'... we don't need you.

/rant
3346  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon update [15/04/13] on: April 15, 2013, 09:28:24 PM
Good to see Avalon is getting ready to ship Batch 2. Judging by their previous update, that means they will start shipping batch 2 in a week.

Also, with all the uncertainty in the ASIC arena (who will ship when), as a batch 3 customer, it's nice to hear this "we expect this situation to improve in a week or so once the equipment finish installing and the new, additional crew get use to the process."

Good work Avalon!
3347  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon batch [2] countdown! on: April 15, 2013, 06:07:13 AM
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as for the tradeins, my fpgas needs retirement after a year of wonderful hashing services, please Avalon team, allow them to rest.
I don't know about you, but my two X6500s still earn $100 per month.  Not sure why someone would want to trade-in or sell their FPGA rigs.  They don't even require maintenance beyond a good dusting every few months.

To get ASICs which are faster and use less power than FPGAs???  Cheesy Cheesy
3348  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL silent these past days? on: April 14, 2013, 11:54:17 PM
I stopped by the BFL office unannounced on Friday with my video camera to record the details.

It seems they were on break time.. I must say I am disturbed at what I saw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78LAgl90UyM
3349  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Butterfly Labs Company Video on: April 14, 2013, 11:52:46 PM
I stopped by the BFL office unannounced on Friday with my video camera to record the details.

It seems they were on break time.. I must say I am disturbed at what I saw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78LAgl90UyM
3350  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Scam Alert and Review Panel on: April 14, 2013, 11:40:55 PM
I would like more if you exchange the red and black

This, and why isn't Avalon green or even not on the list at all?
3351  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: is cloudhashing.com a scam?? on: April 14, 2013, 08:46:12 PM
Well, I guess the only way that we will know is if people actually use it & give reports.


However from what I'm seeing it's a scam, but I don't know.

Yes. I am not changing my opinion of this looking like a scam until an actual user of the service reports otherwise.

Someone that can make a nice website such as cloudhasing.com can also alter documents for proof in Photoshop with ease.

That document proves nothing IMO.
3352  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL silent these past days? on: April 14, 2013, 02:20:34 AM
At least they finally admitted they don't have a set shipping date. No more next month next month next month next week next month business. That was good comedy while it lasted though!
3353  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: What is the price of ATI 5970 on: April 12, 2013, 10:46:37 PM
I bought 4 for 1000€ few days ago...

Rare...
3354  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: What is the price of ATI 5970 on: April 12, 2013, 09:20:54 PM

Could you PLZ tell me the prices of the other three you recommended. and one more thing did you tell me the price of new one or used.


You can't buy 5970s new anymore.

Prices differ depending on what model card you select and whether it's new or used. Just search around, it's pretty easy to see average costs of hardware..
3355  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: What is the price of ATI 5970 on: April 12, 2013, 09:04:58 PM
Hello guys, I want to ask a question that what is the price of ATI 5970 now a days. I am going to build a entry level LTC mining rig. Help is needed. IF you can tell me price of used ones then plz.

5970s are going for $300-$350+ easy on ebay.... more than they were about 6 months ago.

Not many miners have been selling them lately, but Ive seen some around $300 on here as well.

I would look into other options. I recommend a 6950 (fast for price), 7950 (fast for price), or 7850 (electrical efficiency)
3356  Economy / Auctions / Re: [WTS] 15 shares of CoinHoarders Asic group buy on: April 12, 2013, 07:36:43 PM
15 @ 1.9
3357  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Group Buy] Avalon ASIC Batch 3 [CLOSED- Seven 4 module Avalons ordered] on: April 12, 2013, 06:37:20 PM
Hi Guys....

I still want to sell my AVALON for 105BTC.

Its 85gh/s 4 module with PSU

You still selling? I may be interested.

Do i have to take the risk of receiving the unit at the end together will the other units then?

I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but if I were to buy another Avalon out of my own funds, it would be completely separate from this group buy.
3358  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: is cloudhashing.com a scam?? on: April 12, 2013, 10:28:55 AM
I have expressed my concerns in the thread he's advertising his services on here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173316.0

This is awful fishy
3359  Economy / Securities / Re: Cloudhashing ASIC mining contracts,-UK LTD company on: April 12, 2013, 10:24:17 AM
Hi,

Again no research or will to read.

I actually started selling contracts as low as 10 dollars for much smaller server power. Those sold really well. It is difficult to manage many customers with mini payments than a smaller pool of larger payments.

So prices went up and its working for me.

If you want proof then pm or ask. Not just run your mouth without a clue of what you are talking about. I appreciate the history of such services but your way of going about this is all wrong.

With your standing n this community, you should as I would expect be more diligent.

Am not here for a war on words but to advertise what I think is a good service. Its not for everybody as I know. Mining yourself is cheaper and more desirable for some. I don't cater for everybody.

Have a good day.

I'll stick to my instincts... thanks. I'm still 98% positive you're a full on scam. There's still no proof from you that you're legit... just hot air.

Also, you speak broken English... it is not even your first language is it? Where are you really from? "With your standing n this community, you should as I would expect be more diligent."

I'll be looking for you here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=163741.0
3360  Economy / Securities / Re: Cloudhashing ASIC mining contracts,-UK LTD company on: April 12, 2013, 08:32:05 AM
You're right, post updated. I wish you all the best and hope that my initial suspensions are proven wrong.

5249/6000 contracts sold, has anyone in the community reported using this service? I hope you understand my skepticism.

THIS...

So, apparently you've sold 5249 contracts (potentially worth $5,249,000) without advertising or announcing your service on bitcointalk. Also, no one from the community has found your service and posted a thread about it to ask if it's legit like many others have done. If 5249 bitcoiners really bought contracts from you, we would of heard about it from AT LEAST one forum member...

Only just now you post here on the biggest bitcoin forums when you ONLY have 751 left  (possibly worth $751,000)... hurry, buy now before we're out!!!   ..... fishy....

Also, you state the business is in England, yet you price your products in USD. ..... double fishy ....

I call bull shit.


Hi,

I completely understand. Just please do more homework before saying such. Its hard enough getting a business's off the ground in the bitcoin economy when others before ourselves have screwed people over.

This is a genuine service.

Again proof is available for those who care for it.

You have to earn our trust/respect here sir, this sort of thing is just not given to strangers.

We are not sheep, just because you have a fancy website and a company name doesn't mean you're not a scammer.

So many people have come before you wanting us to send them our money with new ASIC hardware or services and turned out to be scams.

Until you prove that you are not a scammer, I am sticking to my gut instinct that this is awful fishy.

PS: Nice try, I almost thought you were legit... nice website design work. That's one of the most fanciest websites built for a scam on bitcointalk EVAR! mad props!  Wink
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