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3361  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: March 11, 2020, 04:15:03 AM
Updated Numbers:

source

Today Italy suspended all mortgage payments.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/486760-italy-suspends-mortgage-payments-during-coronavirus
3362  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: March 11, 2020, 03:10:42 AM
"Wikipedia Slashes Spanish Flu Death Rate"

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/09/wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-rate/

Next they will be telling me Snopes isn't reliable! What is this world coming to?!
"We all know Wikipedia is a micro-managed propaganda organ"

Careful with off-guardian.  They push a lot of pseudo science/conspiracy theory nonsense.  https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/

3363  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: March 10, 2020, 08:10:57 AM
That solves it everyone. Science is wrong,

How often do you order 'supplements' from sites like infowars or naturalnews?
3364  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: March 10, 2020, 02:38:53 AM
Looks like Italy is feeling the most pain right now.  Their first reported case was 16 days ago, yesterday they reported 1,492 new cases and 133 new deaths and decided to basically lock down half the country and impose restrictions on the rest.

All of Italy:
  • As in the north of the country, cinemas, theaters, museums, pubs, game rooms, dance schools, discos and other similar places will be closed
  • Sports competitions are suspended with some exceptions
Northern Italy
  • Travel in and out of the area, as well as within the area, will only be possible in response to "duly verified professional requirements, emergency situations, or for health reasons"
  • People with symptoms of respiratory disease and fever of 37.5 Celsius or above are strongly encouraged to stay at home and limit social contact as much as possible, and contact their doctor
  • Avoid gathering
  • All schools and universities must be closed
  • All museums and places of culture will be closed
  • All cultural, religious or festive events are suspended
  • Cinemas, pubs, theaters, dance schools, game rooms, casinos, nightclubs and other similar places shall remain closed
  • All sporting events and competitions are suspended
  • Ski resorts are closed until further notice
  • Swimming pools, sports halls, thermal baths, cultural centers and wellness centers must suspend their activities
  • Bars and restaurants can remain open from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. provided they respect the safety distance of at least 1 meter between customers - this provision also concerns other commercial activities
  • Shopping centers and department stores must remain closed on public holidays and the days preceding them
  • Places of worship remain open, provided that the safety distance of at least 1 meter is respected, but religious ceremonies (marriage, baptism) are prohibited until further notice


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Just changed it to the entire country:



ALL OF ITALY NOW IN EMERGENCY LOCKDOWN source

  • Strict quarantine measures extended to all regions
  • Public told to stay home
  • Schools closed until April 3rd
  • No travel unless with a valid work or family reason
  • All public gatherings and sports events suspended
3365  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: 50 BCH Stolen by Stake.com on: March 10, 2020, 02:02:02 AM
If there was any kind of support from Stake when this happened, I would not have to make this post. If there systems were fully operational and didn't have random refreshes, this would not have happened either.

This is a very frustrating situation and shouldn't have never gotten to this point.

You realize how fucked up it is to create a thread explicitly accusing Stake.com of stealing your money, right?


You sent 50 BCH to the wrong address.
It said BTC not BCH.
It had the Gold BTC logo not the Green BCH logo.
There was a message that said "Only Send BTC to this Address".  
And then you sent BCH.

Or am I missing something?








3366  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: March 10, 2020, 12:46:15 AM
It doesn't explicitly say orally in the abstract, I made an assumption based on what was included in the abstract.

Unless we have access to the actual study, all we can do is make assumptions based on the abstract...right?  You really shouldn't play the 'he made an assumption therefore he is wrong' card if you are using only the abstract of a study to make a point.

Assumptions? Very scientific. Or we could, you know not make assumptions just because they serve your little semantic distinction, we could also do that. I will take my study abstract over your bullshit articles, thanks. FYI, there are lots of studies on vitamin C treatments for a wide variety of diseases if you bothered to look for them objectively instead of just cherry picking articles which confirm your bias. I am sure feeling right is more important than learning something and potentially saving lives so you can stroke your ego though.

Yeah.  Vitamins are good for you.  Not bad. 

The guy we were discussing, and that now seem to be defending, claimed: "The coronavirus pandemic can be dramatically slowed, or stopped completely, with the immediate widespread use of high doses of vitamin C.".

He created that narrative.
Then he wrote a bunch of press statements to commentate on his own statement.
Go click around a couple of the articles.  Should only take a couple clicks before you realize you're looking at one giant ad.
3367  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: March 09, 2020, 11:50:29 PM
The 'megadose' in that study is 1,000 mg hourly for the first 6 hours, of the first day, and then 3 1,000 mg doses every day after.  All taken orally.

The fake news article is recommending a dosage of 4.000 mg - 16,000 mg, taken by IV.(for people with the virus)

Hey look who it is, Captain Semantics here to distract from the point in order to backpedal to feel the most right about the worlds wrongs. Please quote in the abstract where it says "orally". Vitamin C is an effective treatment and prevention for viral infections. The end.

It doesn't explicitly say orally in the abstract, I made an assumption based on what was included in the abstract.

Unless we have access to the actual study, all we can do is make assumptions based on the abstract...right?  You really shouldn't play the 'he made an assumption therefore he is wrong' card if you are using only the abstract of a study to make a point.
3368  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: March 09, 2020, 10:21:31 PM
As usual, you should talk less, and read more.
"The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10543583

as usual you should read more and gloss over less
relieving symptoms. does not = preventing getting the flu itself
have a nice day though

its like saying
if you got the sniffles where your endlessly sniffing and annoying people around you with that sniff sound due to a runny nose for 2 weeks.
actually blowing your nose or if you have a mucussy throat. spitting it out instead of just coughing/swallowing will make the sniffs less apparent and the coughs less apparent and you will probably get over it in less than 2 weeks.
this does not mean blowing your nose and spitting will prevent you ever getting the flu. just reduce and alleviate the severity and length of the suffering of the symptoms.


"RESULTS:

Overall, reported flu and cold symptoms in the test group decreased 85% compared with the control group after the administration of megadose Vitamin C.

CONCLUSION:

Vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group."

Just stop talking. Please.
The 'megadose' in that study is 1,000 mg hourly for the first 6 hours, of the first day, and then 3 1,000 mg doses every day after.  All taken orally.

The fake news article is recommending a dosage of 4.000 mg - 16,000 mg, taken by IV.(for people with the virus)

3369  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: March 09, 2020, 09:45:26 PM
Shanghai Government Officially Recommends Vitamin C for COVID-19
https://humansarefree.com/2020/03/shanghai-government-officially-recommends-vitamin-c-for-covid-19.html

Quote
The government of Shanghai, China has announced its official recommendation that COVID-19 should be treated with high amounts of intravenous vitamin C.
Dosage recommendations vary with severity of illness, from 50 to 200 milligrams per kilogram body weight per day to as much as 200 mg/kg/day.
These dosages are approximately 4,000 to 16,000 mg for an adult,

You've been duped again BADecker.

The guy who wrote that article is the same one who started the whole thing, not the 'Shanghai Government'.  He's in the business of selling books and videos about herbal supplements to people who visit fake news websites.
The article is just an ad for his own websites and content.

https://andrewsaul.com/
http://orthomolecular.org/
http://www.doctoryourself.com/

https://www.health.harvard.edu/cold-and-flu/can-vitamin-c-prevent-a-cold
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/29/facebook-posts/no-vitamin-c-cannot-slow-or-stop-spread-coronaviru/
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/fake-coronavirus-cures-part-3-vitamin-c-isnt-a-shield/
3370  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: March 09, 2020, 05:21:17 PM
Do semantics make it any more or less of a threat?

Nope
3371  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: March 09, 2020, 04:46:55 PM
the word disease is meaningless


Quote
CDC is responding to an outbreak of respiratory disease caused by a novel (new) coronavirus that was first detected in China and which has now been detected in almost 90 locations internationally, including in the United States. The virus has been named “SARS-CoV-2” and the disease it causes has been named “coronavirus disease 2019” (abbreviated “COVID-19”).
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/summary.html
3372  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: March 09, 2020, 04:18:40 PM
co-vid19 is a virus which has a particular symptom list

No, it's a disease caused by a Virus.  
The official name of the virus is 'SARS-CoV-2'.  The official name of the disease is 'coronavirus disease 2019', co-vid19 for short.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/summary.html
3373  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Post Your Favorite Trump Memes Here on: March 09, 2020, 03:59:05 PM


3374  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: March 09, 2020, 03:48:09 PM
2 things I think Bernie could've done differently to still be in a close race:

1 - Push back against all the communism/nazi talk.  Give a shit about what label people choose to use on him, and educate them on the difference between Communism and all the different flavors of Socialism.  He made it too easy for the knuckle draggers to cry Communist and imply that he had a secret plan to become some sort of dictator.

2 - Make sure every black person in SC is aware that he was fighting for them back when school integration was a radical progressive idea in the early 60s.  Use these pictures to tell a story about someone who has always fought for them.



3375  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: March 09, 2020, 03:27:47 PM

One of the many 'oddities' about what they are calling now covid-19 is that people don't seem to get immune from it and can get 'it' again.

no

corona is a category of viruses
corona has been around since before the 1960's and has mutated many times
things like SARS and MERS are the main notable ones but corona happens every year and people can get it each time

covid-19 is not a virus, it's a disease that is caused by the corona virus that was first discovered in late 2019.

Once your immune systems fight off a virus, you should be immune to that specific strain.
3376  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bernie Sanders is the Frontrunner for the Dems on: March 09, 2020, 11:05:50 AM
Did I say you said do nothing?

You seem to be worried about fraud, which happens at a much lower rate among public health insurance claims as compared to private insurance, as there is much less plundering to be done and the penalties after getting caught are much more severe. In addition, private insurers simply aren't interested in pursuing fraud because it creates unnecessary headache from which they receive no benefit. They just pass on the costs inflicted to their customers, who have no choice but to pay the higher premiums.

https://www.propublica.org/article/we-asked-prosecutors-if-health-insurance-companies-care-about-fraud-they-laughed-at-us

What I am seeing as a repeating theme here is "Hey it could go horribly wrong, but what choice do we have but to make what is already a horrible disaster even worse?"

Nobody is saying that. You don't know the change will be for the worse -- you simply insist that it will because that's what you believe to be true.

No, you just insinuated it. And people who don't own pools are at a significantly reduced risk of drowning. That clearly means that if the government installs pools in everyone's homes the rate of drownings will not increase. You talk about these supposedly magical laws that will stop fraud if done under the government. What is stopping similar laws being imposed on the private sector? Oh right, that magical pot of "free" health care at the end of the rainbow.

You should really just research how much we're paying for Healthcare right now, and where it's going,  Then go find some countries where the Healthcare quality is on par with ours and learn about how it's funded.

Literally any country with high quality healthcare.

3377  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bernie Sanders is the Frontrunner for the Dems on: March 09, 2020, 07:48:42 AM
You aren't actually responding to what I said, you are just repeating what you think the solution is.

You asked "What gives you the impression that this will change when "the government" (taxpayer) is footing the bill, and there is no one with a motive to resist these kind of wild expenditure abuses? "

We're the only country in the world with a Healthcare system based on private insurance.
There are lots of countries that spend half as much to insure everyone.

I'm not denying that it's possible we try it and fail miserably due to corruption or incompetence.  But we gotta do something, and I think it would be silly not to learn from what has worked or not worked in other countries.


Right now, on average for health care, each american is paying $5k in taxes and $5k for private insurance + out of pocket.

In the UK it's ~$4k in taxes and $1k out of pocket.

I can't find any country that is nearly as effective that doesn't have some government funded universal healthcare.
3378  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: March 09, 2020, 06:37:57 AM
Looks like Italy is feeling the most pain right now.  Their first reported case was 16 days ago, yesterday they reported 1,492 new cases and 133 new deaths and decided to basically lock down half the country and impose restrictions on the rest.

All of Italy:
  • As in the north of the country, cinemas, theaters, museums, pubs, game rooms, dance schools, discos and other similar places will be closed
  • Sports competitions are suspended with some exceptions
Northern Italy
  • Travel in and out of the area, as well as within the area, will only be possible in response to "duly verified professional requirements, emergency situations, or for health reasons"
  • People with symptoms of respiratory disease and fever of 37.5 Celsius or above are strongly encouraged to stay at home and limit social contact as much as possible, and contact their doctor
  • Avoid gathering
  • All schools and universities must be closed
  • All museums and places of culture will be closed
  • All cultural, religious or festive events are suspended
  • Cinemas, pubs, theaters, dance schools, game rooms, casinos, nightclubs and other similar places shall remain closed
  • All sporting events and competitions are suspended
  • Ski resorts are closed until further notice
  • Swimming pools, sports halls, thermal baths, cultural centers and wellness centers must suspend their activities
  • Bars and restaurants can remain open from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. provided they respect the safety distance of at least 1 meter between customers - this provision also concerns other commercial activities
  • Shopping centers and department stores must remain closed on public holidays and the days preceding them
  • Places of worship remain open, provided that the safety distance of at least 1 meter is respected, but religious ceremonies (marriage, baptism) are prohibited until further notice


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
3379  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bernie Sanders is the Frontrunner for the Dems on: March 09, 2020, 06:05:06 AM
I'm far from an expert on this stuff.  But all of these countries have some form of Government run Universal Healthcare and they're able to do it for way less.  I'm definitely not 100% confident that we won't find a way to fuck it up if we try, but looking at the numbers I feel kind of optimistic it might work.  The fact that our insurance companies primary motivation is to make as much profit as possible has to be a major factor as to why healthcare in America costs way more than anywhere else in the world.



Having worked in the health insurance industry for a number of years, I can confidently say you hit the nail on the head with your last sentence here. The greed of a lot of American hospitals and doctors is absolutely disgusting. Hospital coders are regularly encouraged to manufacture diagnoses and provided services on claim forms in order to up payouts from insurance companies by several fold. For example, a childbirth with complications could cost 5-10x that of a childbirth without complications. Hospitals can trick the system by giving the mother or newborn some diagnosis that they don't have, like hemophilia or something, and voila, instant 10x return on the insurance claim from what they should be getting.

This kind of abuse is rampant. Not to mention that the insurance companies also take a big cut. This is all due to privatization of a system that shouldn't be privatized. Everybody needs healthcare at some point or another -- it should be a right, not a privilege. The potential for profiteering needs to be removed through introduction of a public option or medicare for all-type system. If insurance companies have to compete with one of these options it will force them to cut costs and behave as they will be at risk of losing healthy membership pools.

Without enough healthy members, any health insurance company can go into a "death spiral," where the medical costs exceed the coverage dues. After coverage dues are increased, healthy members who don't need the insurance leave, meaning the insurance company is stuck with a smaller pool of sicker members with higher medical costs. However, if the healthy members _have_ to pay the insurance company for lack of a different option, the cycle can continue. Right now the health insurance industry is basically a cartel or oligopoly of big players that work with each other to fight against industry reform.

Though obviously his vision will be heavily compromised by forces in the senate and house (that's what politics is a lot of the time -- a compromise), Bernie is attempting to overhaul an incredibly flawed and unsustainable system for the literal well-being of the country. Critics object to it outright for reasons deeply ingrained in their head that they perhaps don't even understand; so as long as they can mutter "BUT SOCIALISM!", they needn't be bothered to explain why they are against reformation.

What gives you the impression that this will change when "the government" (taxpayer) is footing the bill, and there is no one with a motive to resist these kind of wild expenditure abuses? At least in a private system, the individual and or insurance companies have incentive to raise objection when something is unduly inflated. When "the government" (taxpayer) is footing the bill, not only does the patient not concern themselves with it, the healthcare provider has even more incentive to tack on as much as possible, because good old uncle scam is there to foot the bill, and he doesn't care because he doesn't actually pay the bill. Just shifting the burden from the individual to the tax payer isn't a solution. There needs to be wider reform of the private system to push back against fraud and abuse.

The data suggests that private insurance companies cause the overall cost of healthcare to go up.
For example, the UK has a pretty successful government run universal healthcare system.  Everyone gets what's necessary to live a healthy life, funded through a payroll tax.  The population overall approves of it, and they pay less in taxes than we do right now for our medicare/medicaid programs.  (there might be some other programs the government funds that's included in the chart.  I'm not sure)

If we had their infrastructure, you'd be paying less in health care related taxes, and your only out of pocket expenses would be dental, eye doctor, and a $8 co pay for each prescription.

It would take a long time to get there though, and we might fuck it up.  But we're already paying way too much and the data is pretty clear which direction we should go in if we want to get costs down.

3380  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: March 08, 2020, 06:18:35 PM
I agree with all of this.

But I have a hard time believing that the reason Biden hasn't been indicted yet is because Trump is worried about what he'll be accused of.

I think they either don't have a strong enough case to give to a grand jury, or, if they do, they are holding it back till we are closer to either the DNC or general election.

The first scenario seems way more probable, and I think it's likely the same reason Hillary, Comey, Mcgahn and anyone else he's promised to lock up years ago hasen't even been charged.

However, I wouldn't put it past him to have sealed indictments on all of them already.  Imagine the impact of a July/August front page with all of them in hand cuffs.
Very unlikely there's enough evidence, and Trump probably wouldn't be able to contain himself if there was.

Or perhaps you are simply underestimating the scope and impact that these indictments will have. If he did it too soon, he would risk starting a civil war. This was the entire point of pushing the Russia collusion narrative from day one, to make it look like he was the one engaging in a coop as opposed to resisting one.

First I've heard the 'civil war risk too high to indict the Dems' theory...at what point does indicting Biden not risk starting a civil war?  Wouldn't the chances be going up, not down, the closer we get to the election?

edit: You may have mentioned it as a reason Hillary hasn't been locked up yet now that I think about it.
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