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341  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT][BFMINES] - Mining Contracts Now Available - Bonus Divs First Months on: August 10, 2013, 07:02:53 PM
so will this security have more than 120 gigahashes before the metabank chips arrive or not.

Will it have more than 120 gigahashes after the metabank chips arrive or not.


does this security have enough funding to it any of it all since less than 1/2 of the offering has been sold so far on btct.co?


thanks
342  Economy / Securities / Re: software to valuate single share options, for BTCT.CO on: August 10, 2013, 06:45:11 PM
Application of Black-Scholes to these stocks is very tenuous at best. The are numerous assumptions in that model which don't apply here

the same with all other options pricing formulas?

the slippage in these markets would make all the other formulas give similar results
343  Economy / Securities / Re: software to valuate single share options, for BTCT.CO on: August 10, 2013, 02:45:38 PM
Take a look at Black-Scholes. There are online calculators:

right I am open to using the black-scholes formula, doesn't the fact that I asked about volatility pricing kind of hint at that? other formulas get similar results to black-scholes too, and I'm open to using them too

thanks for the insight!
344  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: SELLING @ GOX rate! MoneyPak, PP, MoneyGr, WU, Cash Deposit, Chase QP, Cash NYC! on: August 10, 2013, 05:33:42 AM
only a fool would buy at gox rate right now

especially + 10% when real US rates are basically -10% of mt gox
345  Economy / Securities / software to valuate single share options, for BTCT.CO on: August 10, 2013, 05:02:56 AM
Hey guys, I am trying to calculate a market competitive premium for some options I'll be writing.

What software do you use to calculate single share options? Do you just do a normal calculation for a standardized option of 100 units and divide by 100?

How do you price in volatility on these exchanges?

Thanks in advance!
346  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Selling 400-600BTC CASH IN PERSON ONLY | CURRENT BITSTAMP PRICE on: August 10, 2013, 04:41:09 AM
Just wondering how did you get so much BTC in the first place? early buyer? Tongue

given what I've been able to do in the bitcoin stock markets in just a few months, I'm going to go ahead and say thats not really a lot.


I mean its like when I sell 1 ASICMiner share right now, I have 4 bitcoins.  The OP's amount of bitcoins would only be 150 ASICMiner shares.

If he bought ASICMiner back in March 2013 share prices were .65 bitcoins and bitcoins were worth 33 usd dollars.    150 shares would have cost him 97.5 bitcoins and 97.5 bitcoins would have cost $3217.50

today 150 shares of ASICMiner cost 600 bitcoins, and 600 bitcoins cost $55,200 @ 92 usd/bitcoin
347  Other / Archival / Re: btt on: August 10, 2013, 04:31:29 AM
CX,

I've been drooling over the first-run HashFast machines, especially since finding out they're liquid-cooled.   Tongue

Pre-orders do not have a 100% failure rate.  G1 Avalons were spectacularly profitable.

IMO, Bitfuries are great at present but soon to be overtaken by 28nm tech, perhaps by Christmas.

Depending on your power costs and climate, YMMV.  

that's a whole season

avalons will have lasted for one summer season as well

I am not sure if this is such a downside

as the treasury fund balance will be able to roll into the next hardware purchases too


348  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 10, 2013, 03:39:53 AM
after ASIC shifts to 28nm, 22nm, 18nm...1nm, what else could be done ? how hard would it be to make hundreds asic cores like the GPU but only do hashing ?


currently a company like AMD is not interested because the entire bitcoin is only 1/3rd of that 1 company's market cap. But if bitcoin was maybe 20 times its market cap things would be more motivating
349  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] IceDrill.ASIC IPO (500 Thash Mining Operation powered by HashFast) on: August 09, 2013, 01:13:52 PM
only 4 more days, this doesn't look like it will be successful! adios

and then all that capital can flow back into existing companies
350  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] IceDrill.ASIC IPO (500 Thash Mining Operation powered by HashFast) on: August 09, 2013, 01:09:31 PM
only 4 more days, this doesn't look like it will be successful! adios
351  Other / Archival / Re: btt on: August 09, 2013, 03:13:34 AM
agreed. for the div yield, this is pretty damn appealing. even factoring in difficulty increases. there is a some decent margin of safety (as far as BTC investments go anyways)


I know, imagine doing 30% on margin, or in a collar spread, or doing a collar spread on margin. Easily 100% gain.
352  Economy / Securities / Re: buying shares of (Red Star Mining) RSM @ .009 on: August 09, 2013, 02:00:00 AM
Have you tried putting up an option on btct.co?

I was thinking about writing puts in general on all these issues


but I don't know how that would specifically help me here, sure I would get the premium if it expired worthless until it was in the money during a sell off, but deep selloffs don't really last long here and could rise back up before I could exercise my option or expire in the money, I would be better with a limit order, but that may never get filled and it would tie up a lot of capital holding the limit order
353  Economy / Securities / Re: Epic Rap Battles: BitFunder vs. BTC-TC on: August 09, 2013, 01:56:44 AM
"you braggin about how you have a 3 confirmation deposit!?
it takes 13 hours to withdraw from the cold wallet!"



eeeeeeeeppppicc rapp battles of histothririrryy
354  Other / Archival / Re: btt on: August 09, 2013, 12:19:33 AM
The real question is how long basic can maintain a growth rate in excess of difficulty growth - and if difficulty growth will allow the investments past and future to reach lifetime positive yield. I think there's real risk in mining that just one or two new entrants could do serious damage to the profitability of already hashing hardware (let alone their now hardware).

I consider this, but for share price appreciation, people don't need to speculate on incoming hardware like they have in the past few weeks, basic just needs hardware to keep the yield exactly where it is now, and investors will not simply let a security have 30% annual dividends, they will push the price up till its back down to 8% or lower.



also look at the 1-month chart on coinflow.   .24 is a clear support area

although obviously the order book won't support it if someone still wants to sell lol. where are the market makers at?
355  Other / Archival / Re: btt on: August 08, 2013, 11:53:59 PM
yeah.

I held a little at .040, collected divs for a few weeks then sold for some more volatile pastures

then I bought in at .077 and rode it to .40, then sold

then I bought in at .45 and set a limit order at .95 to take advantage of the lack of liquidity in the face of good news

the limit order got filled so fast.

got some at .5 and sold at .7

I'm back in at .28 and here for the ride, without volatility this is a 30% annualized yield at these price levels, and given the size of the treasury we are very able to increase our hash rate to the keep up with network difficulty with more efficient hardware
356  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Virtual Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA, API, CSV, etc. on: August 08, 2013, 10:47:35 PM
"Access Temporarily Denied"
grr
357  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 08, 2013, 03:21:41 AM
With all these mining companies coming up, petahashes (PH/s) is now the "norm". Friedcat now has the go ahead to start prepping the exahashes (EH/s), without worry of the upcoming total network hashrate.  Cool


haha okay, there was only a brief glimpse in history where friedcat ever threatened the bitcoin network security with ASICMiner percentage
358  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: August 08, 2013, 12:59:17 AM
Thanks for the updates look forward to the Q&A tonight, glad to see all these short sellers arn't gonna make as much money as they wanted the first week

explain the process of short selling on bitfunder, in expressive succinct terms
359  Economy / Securities / Re: The SEC IS Investigating Bitcoin Securities Exchanges on: August 08, 2013, 12:15:58 AM
Why even pay attention to this troll? Also: Who here believes that you can just randomly call and ask about specific possible unpublished SEC investigations? Yeah..

well asking if "you've lost any money" doing business with the person you speak of, is pretty common, this would help them rationalize starting an investigation

or at least starting a file and seeing if anyone else complains


360  Economy / Securities / Re: The SEC IS Investigating Bitcoin Securities Exchanges on: August 07, 2013, 11:45:04 AM

All offers were made prior to FinCEN guidance regarding Bitcoin, were made in good faith, and were intended exactly as stated on the site -- to be traded as an educational and entertaining exercise.  Oddly enough, were I to willy-nilly shut them down now, I can be almost certain that some people WOULD hold me responsible for their losses.  Thus the FinCEN guidance puts me in a catch-22 with the SEC and there are lawyers working on figuring this out.  However, if you have lost USD on any of these;


Burnside, you have this odd patchwork of Securities law understanding, I thought you would get this resolved with your lawyers but some of the stuff you say just doesn't make any sense regarding the inevitable dilemma you are in.


the SEC doesn't care about FinCEN, they care that you are offering securities, unregistered securities that have not applied for an exemption. The SEC does not (technically) judge the merit of an investment, they only look to see if the right amount of disclosure is taking place.


it doesn't matter that your registration is in belize, they will tell an administrative law judge (a rent-a-judge who works in the sec building) that what you do is affecting interstate commerce and that will give them federal jurisdiction and enough rationalization for the federal judge to sign the "emergency asset injunction" which is a court order to freeze all applicable assets, including your computers, wallets, etc under penalty of contempt of court.

You can be using a myriad of disclaimers and plausible deniability to get around this. Given that your exchange does not have the capabilities to verify that customers are american citizens.

Anyway, nobody panic. we can work with the SEC, but it would be so much easier if your computers were not in the united states, to go along with your disclaimers.
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