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341  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process on: January 24, 2014, 02:23:13 AM
One of Jon's ex clients, breaking cover!..... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg4664267#msg4664267
Wouldn't Ken get in big trouble if Ukyo indeed has a legit story? (well in any way actually. I don't think it is allowed to steal from even a scammer..)

If he actually sold them, i guess he could be in trouble. Looks like good ole fashioned, leverage, and should only be expected as time ticks on, and on....

@Ukyo
I will explain it to you, a corporation has a lien on its shares for any sums owed by a shareholder, so we have a lien on your shares.  You are the owner of Bitfunder and the funds where on Bitfunder.  Because they where transferred to WeEx in a contract that you had with them does not relieve you of your obligation to pay us our funds.  Also, 38 BTC was left on Bitfunder and I have screenshots of it being there.  I did not authorize it to be transferred to WeEx.
342  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 24, 2014, 02:14:03 AM
We are selling Ukyo shares on Crypto-Trade to recover our losses on Bitfunder.

We will start moving Investors shares to Crypto-Trade within the next 7 days.

I truly hope you have some plans for the following:

a. be able to distribute funds from the sale to weex users in debt.
or
b. explain to a court appointed handler where portions of my assets are.
(As well as explain to other weex users why your debt is more important than theirs)


Also:
What do you plan to do with all remaining funds?
It is no secret that there are plenty of shares to cover your personal accounts 100btc.
Or is the plan to continue to give no information at all, continue without any new information dates
with the last information of any kind about 5 months ago being a broken deadline so cause the prices
of ActM shares to drop so much you can continue to buy them back for pennies on the dollar compared
to what you pumped them to and be able to claim that all the shares I hold are worth less than the 100btc
you are personally having an issue with?

To be clear: I have no issues with 100% of funds from the sale of all ActM Shares assigned to me to be distributed to weex users.
Everyone should be able to see the numbers.

-Ukyo

I will explain it to you, a corporation has a lien on its shares for any sums owed by a shareholder, so we have a lien on your shares.  You are the owner of Bitfunder and the funds where on Bitfunder.  Because they where transferred to WeEx in a contract that you had with them does not relieve you of your obligation to pay us our funds.  Also, 38 BTC was left on Bitfunder and I have screenshots of it being there.  I did not authorize it to be transferred to WeEx.
343  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 24, 2014, 01:49:54 AM
I don't get how it's suddenly ACTM's responsibility to pay back WeEx/BF opaque malfeasance.

Agreed!

We must only sell 106 btc worth of shares of cover ActM owed money. Once the company is square we must return the leftover shares to UKYO so he can deal with everyone else. It's criminal to take ALL of UKYO's shares and sell all of them, his debts are not our issue.

I am only defending UKYO to this point because it's the right thing to do. UKYO slammed me down in front of everyone when I was among some of the first people to call out the possibility that UKYO would be unable to pay the funds from Bitfunder because he probably used them and was running a fractional reserve. I was correct but UKYO still attacked me so I am not defending him because of friendship, but because it's not right to steal his property after ActM is square with the owed 106 btc.

Ken please don't go down this rabbit hole, get the 106 btc and leave it at that. Please.

We just want the BTC that is owed us plus any legal fees and cost.  Active Mining has a lien on the shares per Corporation law.
344  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 23, 2014, 03:30:24 AM
Ken would have to notify any other registered parties that Ukyo owes money to about this sale of the assets, and would have to distribute any proceeds over and above what is owed to them.

We are in a grey area as you have indicated. Little in the BTC industry operates within the letter of the law as it is currently written.

The action Ken is taking is within the spirit of the law - that which is the underlying intention. That intention is that an individual or company can hold the assets of a debtor and sell them to recover their losses if the debtor does not or can not pay up. That is as far as you can go.

You are implying that Ukyo could take Ken to court but what legislation would he use? The shares he will claim to own are not registered securities, the BTC he used to buy them is not a legally recognised currency, the exchange he set up was not registered etc etc. Do you see the problem? In other words if Ken can't do X because the legislation does not appply then Ukyo cannot do Y (bring him to court) because the legislation does not apply.

At the end of the day common sense needs to be applied in any Grey Area. So I would maintain that Ken is doing the right thing.

Actually, it isn't in the spirit of the law. Construction liens and garage owners liens are designed to protect tradesmen who invest time, materials and money into your house/car/etc. If they do that and you don't pay them for the work, they are able to put a lien on that item. Even then, there are specific ways they have to go about resolving the lien. If you don't pay your roofer he can't put a lien on your car or cottage, and a garage owner can't put a lien on your house if he worked on your car. If you refuse to pay your roofer after you get shingles installed and he takes your car until you pay him, both he and everyone else who might be owed money on the car have every reason to go after you.

I have no idea what sort of corporation/LLC/entity Ukyo's businesses were registered as, but Ken seizing and selling the ActM shares to cover the We-Ex debt, besides being somewhat morally suspect, is almost certainly not legal.

CORPORATE AND COMPENSATION LAWS
345  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 22, 2014, 01:40:41 PM
We are selling Ukyo shares on Crypto-Trade to recover our losses on Bitfunder.

We will start moving Investors shares to Crypto-Trade within the next 7 days.
346  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 22, 2014, 01:30:16 PM
1.9GH/s and 2.5W, estimated end of profitable hashing:
0.20 $/kWh - July
0.15 $/kWh - August
0.10 $/kWh - September
One month extra if BTC at $2k. From selling point, it can make wide customer base for future 28nm but needs high volume, no preorders, sell at costs, deliver on time.


How about 0.017 $/kWh 
347  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 22, 2014, 01:29:08 PM

1.9 GH/s, 2.5W

Which means 2.5W/GH or total 2.5W for 1.9GH/S?


2.5W per chip or 1.315789474W/GH

Edit: 2.5 Watts per GH/s
348  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 22, 2014, 01:27:49 PM
Quoting from the VMC thread:
We are estimating on shipping our 45nm series of machine by 12/31/2013 and our 28nm by 6/30/2014
So look like we're back to the projections made in 2013 May. Forgetting the 45nm chips, of course.

Not quite, the 55 nm is a full custom chip.
349  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 22, 2014, 01:27:10 PM
So lets get this straight, the 55nm is delivered in 2 months (April 1st) and as I understand it even the original 28nm would be obsolete by then, so this chip gets some product shipped and some mining revenue in the bank, but make no mistake, our future rests on the new 28nm chip.

If this chip comes a few months after the 55nm, we are looking at mid 2014 for this new 28nm. I expect the competition to begin construction on the first TH/s chips by then so I really hope our mid 2014 28nm is several hundred GH/s at least.

Ken, you have mentioned that CryptoTrade will come before ColouredCoins, if this is true then will you allow us to transfer from CryptoTrade once ColouredCoins happen or are you still not allowing any transfer (Meaning if we want our shares to be ColouredCoins we have to wait and not trade at all)

Thanks.

As of now you would have to make a choice.  Now, that said it the Bitcoin world it is hard to see 1 day ahead.  So, if you want to take a chance on CT and later and we have the man power and systems in place where we could move the shares from CT to CC then we would.  Of course if you are on CT something like what happen to Bitfunder could happen and we would have to move the shares to CC.
350  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 22, 2014, 02:41:01 AM
Ken, how long have you known that the eAsic 28nm chip you promised everyone was never going to materialize?

If the CEO of ACtM says on an open forum that eASIC are working on our full custom 28nm ASIC we have shipped product then you can be sure that's a reality.

FIFY...


When money is tight people go for the budget option. We can be the Walmart of bitcoin mining why not. So long as we can produce at volume we can do very well from 55nm.

in order to get an idea of the kind of money to be made from chip sales (projected to be $40 mil this year), here's some research I did on the direct chip selling from ActM competitors (which currently have working chips and products they are selling and delivering).  Avalon has been selling their 55nm chips for quite some time now.  they currently sell for 15BTC for a reel of 2500 (http://avalon-asics.com/).  that's 0.006BTC/chip.  their chip is rated at "1.5-1.6 GH/s at 1.0V with 2.5W per GHs" (on the high side of 55nm chips).  that's currently $5/chip, so $3.33/Gh.  Bitmain also started selling their 55nm chip in December (same chip they use in their 180Gh/s Antminers) which is rated anywhere from 1.6Gh/s at 1.07W all the way to 3.2Gh/s at 5.2W (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=364236.0).  they were selling 10000 chips for 100BTC, which is 0.01BTC/chip, which is $8/chip or $2.50/Gh.  I'm sure the prices are going to come down soon (if they havent already), or possibly they will just be replacing it with their new 28nm chips soon.  if ActM had chips available to sell and deliver now the prices would have to be somewhere in the same range that Avalon is selling their slower chips - around $5/chip or 0.0058BTC/chip for bulk sales.  in order to sell $40 mil of these chips it would take 8 million chips @ $5/chip (remember that in just 3 days this chip is technically worth ~25% less due to difficulty change, and therefore could/should technically sell for less).

So my 1st question is what price can ActM mass sell these 1.9Gh chips and still be profitable?  of course that will be speculation now because we cannot be certain what the value of bitcoin will be when the chips are released, but we still need to know projections at current bitcoin prices with adjustments for difficulty changes for when the chips are expected to be available for sale.

2nd question, and probably more important, when will the datasheet/reference design be available for those would would buy the chips to make use of them?  will this be done in time to allow timely manufacturing of boards for these massive projected chip sales?

Good info, just getting ready to do this myself.
351  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 22, 2014, 01:17:45 AM
Ken.

What are the specs for the full custom 28nm? This is the main factor in our business, would you agree?

Are we going to create a 100+GH/s++ chip or is it still small (<100GH/s)?

We will know soon.
352  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 22, 2014, 12:47:07 AM
Yes. Ford sell more cars than Porsche. But Porche have the better car - by far.

Ford revenue 2012: 134 Billion USD
Porsche revenue 2012: 13.9 Billion Euros

Very good.
353  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 22, 2014, 12:33:00 AM
kleeck,

using https://coinplorer.com/Hardware and Ken's '1.9 GH/s, 2.5 Watts.'

I think this 55nm chip will have around 65% of the performance (W/GH) of KnC's 2014 Q2 Neptune 20nm chip?

Now if we are only 35% in performance terms behind the cutting edge market leaders I think that is pretty good. We can price our units accordingly. Like you say the market is deep and there is certainly room for a budget machine that costs 65% of the top end KnC model and performs 65% as well. We would be on equal terms with KnC in price per GH's if we can price our machines accordingly.

Even if we are 20% more expensive than KnC we can still sell out if the global supply of machines can not meet the global demand. Infact if demand is insatiable as it may become with BTC higher than it is then every single miner that can ROI will be sold out.

So long as we can produce a machine that will ROI+ we will do well with the 55nm tech. And 1.3W per GH in Q2 is not obsolete by any means.



Take this into account, a lot more customers have $1,000 or $2,000 for a machine than $10,000 for a machine.
354  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 21, 2014, 11:53:18 PM
Hey ken, please wait for the coloredcoins test/finish their project...

So we can be the one of the first serious securities trading there. Instead of having the old fashioned easily take down securities web-exchange.

Thanks for the updated. We really apreciated!

Good times coming!

We will have to use CT and CS now.
355  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 21, 2014, 11:51:30 PM
Will Intellihash be an added bonus to the 1.9GH/s chip or is that already factored in?

No, Intellihash will be a bonus.
356  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 21, 2014, 11:49:15 PM
Ken,
How far behind the 55nm rollout will the full custom 28nm be?


Not very much.  We now have 2 Engineers in San Jose and a Project Manager working very closely with eASIC to make sure the project is completed the the shortest time possible.
357  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 21, 2014, 11:40:23 PM
Maybe I missed it because I just skimmed the pages.

Is there any physical proof of this?   Namely pictures of the unit that includes pictures of the actual real-world hashrate or at least a pool account we can look at?

The chips have not been produced at this time.  We have just taped-out, so this is the start of the manufacturing process.
358  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 21, 2014, 11:34:55 PM
Im confused...

So are we using another company to make a 55nm chip while we wait on eASIC's 28nm full custom? or is the 55nm from eASIC?

We have entered a partnership with a group of engineers the result of which will be a 55nm chip produced by UMC. We will likely get a healthy split of all profits from this partnership.

While that happens eASIC will be working on our 28nm FULL CUSTOM.

This is not a partnership, we own 100% of the IP.
359  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 21, 2014, 11:33:31 PM
so we'll be coming out with 55nm chips at around the same time that KnC delivers their 20nm Neptune's?

Yes. The 28nm goes full custom with eASIC so we get a market leading chip when that arrives. While we wait for that (and we were always going to be waiting) Ken has struck up a partnership to mass produce cheap 55nm chips that will provide us with Millions in revenue to throw at our 28nm. This move shows us Ken is working far more than anyone suspected at making us a success.

Our chances of knocking out huge numbers of leading performance 28nm ASIC's just went up about 1000%.

The 55 nm is owned by Active Mining, so this is not a partnership; however, the two engineers are on our team.
360  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 21, 2014, 11:18:49 PM
11mm x 11m package, 1.9 GH/s, 2.5 Watts.

So how are we going to cram 13,000 chips into one enclosure to arrive at 24,576 TH/s?

That is the 28 nm chips, we have a 10.488 TH/s unit with the 55 nm chips.  We will also have bulk sales of our 55 nm chip soon.
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