It's not a pool. It's all the hashrate that comes from other sources, beyond the known pools. If you solo mine, if you have a big rig, if you have an unlisted pool, it's all in the "unknown" pie slice.

No idea, someone must test it.

I know of a GPU farm that pulls ~1GHs scrypt (~3 GHs x11 but he doesn't mine X11).

Btw, the above numbers of 500 x 280, can actually be heavily reduced with 290x (only 350 x 290x)

GPU advantage for DRK is ~3 to 3.3, not 4.6 - assuming top-end maxed out cpu* vs top-end maxed out GPU**.

*6-core i7 / 12 threads ~4.5GHz ~880kh
**290x ~2.7 - 2.9MHs

Interesting 24hr volume in cryptsy

DOGE/BTC    Dogecoin    365 BTC   
LTC/BTC    LiteCoin    220 BTC   
DRK/BTC    DarkCoin    181 BTC
BC/BTC    BlackCoin    117 BTC   
AC/BTC    AsiaCoin    89.4 BTC
WC/BTC    WhiteCoin    51.1 BTC   
MN2/BTC    Mining Contract 2    42.6 BTC   
ZET/BTC    ZetaCoin    30.6 BTC
VTC/BTC    VertCoin    24.5 BTC   
RDD/BTC    ReddCoin    21.9 BTC   
NXT/BTC    Nxt    21.3 BTC   
FTC/BTC    FeatherCoin    20.5 BTC
WDC/BTC    WorldCoin    19.0 BTC   

You believe what exactly? That scrypt asics do x11 coins? This is impossible. ASICs are designed to do something specific. Scrypt asics are designed to do scrypt, not x11.

As for FPGAs, they will do most CPU and all GPU mineable coins. Is this some kind of news? No.

As for profitability, try with electricity prices of 0.3-0.4$ / kwh, check again (with wattage /2 for x11 compared to scrypt) and report back.

An scrypt asic will do scrypt, not X11.

It depends on the price of electricity. For many european countries DRK is the most profitable coin (or, the least loss-incuring coin) due to high electric prices.

Nothing changes in term of fundamentals. DRK has very low inflation to be bothered by multipool dumping. Even if a multipool mined 1/4th of all DRKs it's like 6 BTC (@ 0.003). Whales here are moving with like 20-40 BTC batches. The buying whale saw the trend reversal on 260 as it got 270 etc and then placed 20 BTC buy on 285. I bet he was hoping to buy @ 250.

No multipools, it's a whale exiting in waves of 20-30-40 btc dumps... up until 10-12 hours ago there was another whale buying from him - but the whale buyer(s) either seems to have run out of buying power or he/they have figured out the guy exiting and selling low and thus go lower too to maximize the DRKs they buy.

Cryptsy alone has 58.1 BTC buy orders to 0.00205.

There are quite a few money laundering ways actually. It's just that they aren't seamless, like an anonymous coin.


Me too. I'm not greedy

You can't force BTC holders to use altcoins. The majority will still retain their BTCs.

DRK's potential is in the 1-10% market cap of BTC / BTC holders that'll opt for private coins. Which is... around 60-600mn USD.

If I use 0.4$ / kwh in coinwarz (which is slightly lower to what I get right now in my tiered power bill - at almost 0.34 euro / kwh) DRK tops the lists as the most profitable coin. Actually the least unprofitable coin as I'd be mining at a loss if I continued - as they are all mined at a loss.

For 320kh scrypt / 1MH x11 / 160kh scrypt-n, it's DRK first -1.07$, HIRO second -1.08$, EXE/VTC -2.23$ and it goes up to -4.5$ for the least profitables.

The question should be rephrased to reflect coin price instead of market cap.

http://coinmarketcap.com/

DRK is the #1 x11 coin by far at number 11 with 7 million $ marketcap.

Where is the second largest X11 coin?

I was taking a look at coinmarketcap, as it used to be (by total market supply instead of available total supply)

1    Bitcoin   $ 5,675,363,838   $ 446.48   12,711,475 BTC   $ 17,190,403   -0.76 %   
2    Ripple   $ 533,385,837   $ 0.005334   99,999,993,871 XRP*   $ 41,086   -0.57 %   
3    SolarCoin   $ 481,538,645   $ 0.004913   98,016,297,700 SLR**   $ 730   +21.20 %   
4    Litecoin   $ 303,180,221   $ 10.85   27,943,154 LTC   $ 7,253,351   +4.71 %   
5    Peercoin   $ 46,225,802   $ 2.16   21,361,024 PPC   $ 196,631   +2.23 %   
6    Dogecoin   $ 37,510,523   $ 0.000498   75,263,046,439 DOGE   $ 1,172,229   +0.61 %   
7    Isracoin   $ 24,559,891   $ 0.050928   482,250,201 ISR**   $ 2,984   +8.90 %   
8    Mastercoin   $ 22,432,115   $ 36.21   619,478 MSC*   $ 16,351   +0.57 %   
9    Nxt   $ 21,478,341   $ 0.021478   999,997,096 NXT*   $ 29,861   -0.59 %   
10    Namecoin   $ 18,945,695   $ 2.19   8,639,782 NMC   $ 305,164   +4.70 %   
11    BlackCoin   $ 9,325,655   $ 0.13   74,519,095 BC*   $ 244,085   -4.82 %   
12    MaidSafeCoin   $ 6,940,191   $ 0.015336   452,552,412 MAID*   $ 13,646   -16.78 %   
13    DarkCoin   $ 6,524,787   $ 1.56   4,181,119 DRK   $ 65,626   +2.01 %   
14    Auroracoin   $ 6,268,711   $ 0.58   10,753,739 AUR**   $ 6,847   -14.28 %   
15    BitShares-PTS   $ 5,705,147   $ 3.49   1,632,955 PTS   $ 17,524   -1.49 %

...we're #13 on the old list and ahead of Aurora (used to have something like half a billion market cap... interesting how it tanked).

With the new list (by available supply) we are #11... and with the new list, excluding premined + non-mineable coins it goes #6:

1    Bitcoin   $ 5,675,363,838   $ 446.48   12,711,475 BTC   $ 17,190,403   -0.76 %   
2    Litecoin   $ 303,180,221   $ 10.85   27,943,154 LTC   $ 7,253,351   +4.71 %   
3    Peercoin   $ 46,225,802   $ 2.16   21,361,024 PPC   $ 196,631   +2.23 %   
4    Dogecoin   $ 37,510,523   $ 0.000498   75,263,046,439 DOGE   $ 1,172,229   +0.61 %   
5    Namecoin   $ 18,945,695   $ 2.19   8,639,782 NMC   $ 305,164   +4.70 %   
6    DarkCoin   $ 6,524,787   $ 1.56   4,181,119 DRK   $ 65,626   +2.01 %   
7    BitShares-PTS   $ 5,705,147   $ 3.49   1,632,955 PTS   $ 17,524   -1.49 %   
8    Quark   $ 4,611,082   $ 0.018609   247,794,210 QRK   $ 25,124   +2.43 %   
9    Primecoin   $ 4,259,206   $ 0.78   5,460,946 XPM   $ 19,988   -2.86 %   
10    Zetacoin   $ 4,238,175   $ 0.026425   160,385,076 ZET   $ 106,634   -2.72 %   
11    Feathercoin   $ 3,700,609   $ 0.08923   41,472,850 FTC   $ 13,603   +0.20 %   
12    Vertcoin   $ 3,334,443   $ 0.85   3,918,600 VTC   $ 14,346   +2.03 %   
13    Novacoin   $ 2,089,646   $ 3.11   672,629 NVC   $ 5,823   +0.04 %   
14    Infinitecoin   $ 2,061,494   $ 0.000023   90,518,136,381 IFC   $ 4,466   -2.41 %   
15    Megacoin   $ 1,947,178   $ 0.08377   23,244,200 MEC   $ 53,625   +0.99 %   

...not bad... and we didn't have nearly the pump that other coins have (like 10-15x) with only 2-2.5x increase.

Send a pm to evan (eduffield) to check it out.

Nice stuff 

Indeed they have a huge budget: They can even own BTC right now, if they wanted to, however there is an issue that depends on time. As time progresses, private resources increase and NSA resources have to keep up. There's a threshold when this will become impossible (as far as BTC is concerned) and a 51% will be impossible for NSA as the distributed power will be larger than what they can keep up with. This might be 2-3-5 years down the road.

Something like that can happen for DRK too, if private resources build up over time to exceed NSA resources. By going the GPU route you are toast because you give them an enormous advantage from the get go. UNLESS the algorithm cannot be accelerated that much with ASICs. We'll have to see how that goes.

Remember that anything that is GPU mineable is ASICable. The fork would not save us - it would only allow someone with ASICs to party over the GPU miners.

The only X11 fork that would be acceptable, to me at least, is something that ensures that it works only with a CPU. Like using multiple cpu instruction sets that are not in GPUs or ASICs. But even then Intel could be requested to make special chips for the NSA that are like 30x faster on X11 than common CPUs.