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3501  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism on: April 28, 2013, 04:53:01 AM
circle jerking on this forum can not be considered education of the masses...

It's certainly educating me Grin  Now I can educate others.

I certainly learned a lot, too. Don't forget, two or three years ago I was a liberal, pro-regulation, pro-Keynesian economics democrat.
That is a lot. Smiley

btw, were you just fuckin' with me, or did you really consider Production of Security too long? Because I wasn't joking, when I said it was very short for the genre.

Yes, it's too long. It would be fine in a proper debate, but this is a forum debate, where you can't expect the other guy to have the courtesy to try to fully understand your position, or expect him to have the attention span or mental capacity to grasp more than a few simple points and counter arguments at a time. For example, blablahblah seems to be under the impression that by "security" the paper is talking about "people generally behaving well," as opposed to actual scarce security products, such as private security personnel and tech that we would have to pay for. He also in turn misses the point that we do pay for all that security through taxes, but just don't have a say in whom we pick to secure us. Yet at the same time he seems to get what it is by coming up with an example of why such private security wouldn't work by saying "marauding by night, securing by day," and even saying that's it's naive to think private security would work. Which is even more ironic, since he mentions competition almost right after that, which makes me think that he is so deeply stuck in his belief that only one thing can provide security, that being government, that it's doubtful his mind can be changed. I mean, any other person would have realized right away that, in a competitive market, a company that had "marauding by night, securing by day" would quickly lose customers to a competing security company that would prevent nightly maraudings. Hell, even without competition, the company would lose customers because it is obviously failing to provide security it's being paid for.
I guess what I'm saying is blablahblah is kind of dumb.
3502  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism on: April 28, 2013, 04:20:16 AM
circle jerking on this forum can not be considered education of the masses...

It's certainly educating me Grin  Now I can educate others.

I certainly learned a lot, too. Don't forget, two or three years ago I was a liberal, pro-regulation, pro-Keynesian economics democrat.
3503  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism on: April 27, 2013, 02:23:37 AM
And when you're done with that, read this: http://mises.org/document/2716
It's short, and to the point. I suspect even you can grasp the concepts therein.

That's not short at all! Even I'm not willing to read all that, and I'm into this stuff. How about actually defending the points here yourself instead of hiding behind a wall of authority?
3504  Other / Off-topic / Re: Boston Marathon Explosions on: April 27, 2013, 02:13:42 AM
They are more houses than trailers on wheels. Still long and thin though. Plus buying them, there may not be enough available when disaster strikes.
3505  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism on: April 26, 2013, 09:36:15 PM

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I'm thinking there's some sort of language issue here. Yes, stealing is not allowed in AnCap. Did you not get that?

I think the issue is that many equate anarchy with lawlessness, which is not the case.

Very similar issue to the problem of arguing religion v.s. atheism. When told religion and god is not needed, very often religious types retort with, "But then where would you get your morals from?" thinking that without religion, people would all just go nuts and become immoral criminals. You don't need religion to have morals and be a decent person, and you don't need government to be a decent person, either. People can still figure out what is right and wrong, and can still be good people, and stop bad people.
3506  Other / Off-topic / Re: Boston Marathon Explosions on: April 26, 2013, 08:59:24 PM
There's actually a "FEMA Internment Camp" up in Cumberland, MD, near where my inlaws live. The so-called internment camp is a whole bunch of mobile houses surrounded by a fence with barbed wire. And it's actually not a camp, but a local storage for such houses in case they are needed somewhere in a disaster area, such as a place hit by flooding or a tornado. These houses have to be stored somewhere, so they are stored at such locations around the country, and paranoid consppiracy theorists are mistaking them for "internment camps."  Roll Eyes

Regarding the Boston bombing, my biggest question is what the explanation is for the hundreds that have been wounded who went to the hospitals around the city, and the many who are still at the hospital. Are they acting? Or is the conspiracy now that it wasn't all staged, but just carried out by the government, with a bunch of civilians as collateral damage?
3507  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism on: April 26, 2013, 05:27:55 PM
So... anyone else find it ironic that there are a bunch of statists here arguing against AnCap, on a system (internet) that is by design unregulated AnCap?
3508  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bitcoin and Food on: April 26, 2013, 05:15:47 PM
If it gets pushed in a traditional way, it seems as if it will just be the same thing as fiat.  No value and much greed and a lot of manipulation.   

Bitcoin can't really be manipulated. Bitcoin derivatives, such as loans and options and such, can and will be, just like they are in every other currency, but there's really nothing anyone can do about it. Want to stay safe? Don't invest in anything risky. As for greed, that's not a bad thing, as long as it is satisfied through production and business instead of theft.
3509  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ayn Rand on: April 26, 2013, 05:09:07 PM
...snip...

But worst come to worst, people who own those assets can sell them and convert the proceeds to bitcoin, too. Then if things get too bad, perhaps they can emigrate elsewhere.

They can already do that with gold or any other commodity.
No, not really. Ever tried to store gold in your brain, to avoid confiscation at the border?

Hmmm.  I was thinking of Greece and Cyprus where borders are porous.  But if you wanted to move money from Germany or the like, then yes, you are right?


Another issue is storage. Hard to store a lot of gold at home, and storing it at a bank is not a good idea either apparently:

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2013/4/23_Sinclair_-_Swiss_Bank_Just_Refused_To_Give_My_Friend_His_Gold.html
3510  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bitcoin legal tender. What if... on: April 26, 2013, 02:37:58 PM
Sealand said they will do that.
3511  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bitcoin and Food on: April 26, 2013, 02:36:19 PM
What about arbitrarily hooking the value of bitcoin to the value of a basic basket of foodstuffs? 


Hooking a value works by having someone hold an enormous amount of currency in reserve, then either releasing it to bring the price down or buying it up to bring the price up, thus controlling the price of the currency and keeping it close to the "hook" price. There is no one with a big enough bitcoin stash and the interest to do this (plus these "hooking a price to" ideas always fail miserably, and Argentina is a current example), so I doubt it will ever happen.
3512  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ayn Rand on: April 26, 2013, 02:30:51 PM
If you don't give up your bitcoin holdings, and no one knows how much you actually have, then I guess you can just say you can't pay your taxes, because you don't have the money. They can put a huge debt on you, which will make borrowing through official channels more difficult, and I guess they can confiscate your whole house and business, which will suck, but they might leave your business soft of alone if it's big enough, and doing so will cause a lot of people to lose jobs and make the politicians look bad... Eh, either way, it's a mess, but at least it's somewhat of an alternative.

As for gold, that won't really work, since that gets confiscated at the border. If the country falls THAT far, we may end up with closed borders like USSR had, and they inspected everything that people carried out. Someone even tried to smuggle out diamonds inside watermelons (inserted while the melons were still young), and they even found and took that. This is also why I think that a border fence to keep illegals out is a horrible idea, but that's also a whole other topic.
3513  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: P2P Decentralized Markets on: April 26, 2013, 02:11:54 PM
Has this thread gone dry?


Lots of talking, no actual doing?
3514  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ayn Rand on: April 26, 2013, 02:10:13 PM
Will bitcoin become "the motor of the world"? Wink
Heh, no.

But it might become that static motor John came up with before he disappeared.

I still prefer to think of Bitcoin as Galt's Gulch, which we can easily disappear into if we wanted to "exit" the economy.
A rather interesting idea with implications.  Consider the case of some country under severe economic duress and facing near term collapse.  The ready and fluid availability of an alternative and substitute currency places a limit on the extent to which that government can impoverish it's subjects.

That's a game changer.

Its not really.  Most people don't have cash - they have assets like houses, farms and businesses.  A country under server economic duress will always have the option of taxing those assets. 

But worst come to worst, people who own those assets can sell them and convert the proceeds to bitcoin, too. Then if things get too bad, perhaps they can emigrate elsewhere.
3515  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ayn Rand on: April 26, 2013, 02:00:35 AM
Will bitcoin become "the motor of the world"? Wink
Heh, no.

But it might become that static motor John came up with before he disappeared.

I still prefer to think of Bitcoin as Galt's Gulch, which we can easily disappear into if we wanted to "exit" the economy.
3516  Other / Off-topic / Re: Boston Marathon Explosions on: April 25, 2013, 08:48:44 PM
nah not the timer - the large monitor, seen more clearly here:

probably shouldn't have posted it yet, I mean what I've said above accounts for it not being there but how do real spectators fit into it on the day.

I know what explains the large monitor. It's time travel! Specifically time has traveled a year or two from the time that picture with the monitor was taken until this year. It's one of the prior races. Note the flags aren't in the same order, either.
3517  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will "satoshi" ever login again? on: April 25, 2013, 06:09:14 PM
billionaires don't post on forums

He's not a billionaire yet!
There will never be a Bitcoin Billionaire.

Do you think a single bitcoin will ever reach $20,000? Because there's a single guy out there with 50,000 BTC

Mylon meant no one will ever be a billionaire in Bitcoin terms (Having a billion Bitcoins)

Ah, good point, he's right.
3518  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will "satoshi" ever login again? on: April 25, 2013, 05:46:35 PM
billionaires don't post on forums

He's not a billionaire yet!
There will never be a Bitcoin Billionaire.

Do you think a single bitcoin will ever reach $20,000? Because there's a single guy out there with 50,000 BTC
3519  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [400GH/s] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: April 25, 2013, 03:11:42 PM
Why would you use a pool in a client?

p2pool work with the original client


P2Pool needs the entire copy of the blockchain to work, so it's not so much that it works with the original client, as that the original client is the only one that comes with a copy of the blockchain.
3520  Other / Politics & Society / Re: what will come after cryptocurrencies? on: April 25, 2013, 02:52:30 PM
If Bitcoin is like reverting back to digital gold, then perhaps the next thing will be a digital version of trading a fish for two apples.

I'll trade you some fish paste for a jar of your apple sauce, and we can use our 3D printers to print out fish sticks and apple slices.
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