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I would love for the Avalon team to post in here and give some confirmation to how many units are confirmed as shipped and dispatched.
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They have no time to answer emails, now what makes you think........... They're winning the race because they shipped first, and also they're Chinese, just saying.... does not make me think at all other than Avalon are doing a fantastic job at actually getting the job done. They suck at CS, but they're whooping the competition at getting units off the drawing board and onto the network.  Wait till Batch 1 Avalon users get theirs en mass and watch the panic ensure at BFL. I strongly suspect the open refunds policy will soon end. Expect many unhappy customers stuck with BFL. Especially with that 28nm company soliciting system integrator. |
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People wised up in March 2013. They came to the realization that no [sensible] company writes [nor offers a proverbial] "blank check" to get premium services done on time.
The Wisest of BFL customers realized that costs and margins of releasing a product prohibit a "blank" check. (Be it a bumping/packaging facility or a Fab conducting a so-called "Bullet Run"...)
There are only so many dollars you can spend within the scope of a project before you become unprofitable and are left unable to continue production of said product.
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Edit: If there are 1000 orders and a total of 1 million in funds. Lets say 75% of it is pure profit.
Every week that:
--6 [Full time] Customer Services agents
--A half-dozen well paid higher staff management team
--A few misc assemblers or contractors work on site setting up equipment.
Means that the total part of the PROFIT PIE shrinks ever more.
Multiply an assumed income by various staff and the time frame of their employment and you have a bucket with a hole in the bottom. Coin (USD or BTC) is constantly flowing out into the pockets of staff.
Assuming they don't make minimum wage...that's alot of money being paid out each month.
Add to this the refunds that occur sporadically with a revolving door policy...and you can plainly see why writing blank checks is likely a very bold lie. Unless you want the bumping and packaging facility to charge you for the entire days worth of profit and pull people from different sectors to work only for your 6 wafers.....I have news for you [veiled as speculation] that there is BS running down hill towards customers.
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I'm certainly not defending Josh. Respectfully, unlike many BFL customers, you don't seem to be particularly offended by the multiple month wait. BFL customers are starting to resign themselves to a march shipping date as we speak. (on the BFL forums) I think that his estimations are irresponsible and upset his customers. I think that he is dealing with companies that typically have a 3-4 month timeframe on projects and not a 1-2 week timeframe on projects like this. I think that BFL as a whole did not do enough research into every single process of manufacturing, in regards to timeframes. I believe that is a false sentiment. I believe (and actually hope) they actually did do due diligence before taking on vast sums of cash. Though, lets take your premise and assume they didn't. This [if your hypothesis is correct] just goes to show how they aren't doing their part to keep the project going well. One of the points that Josh used to bash the Avalon team on was the fact that they didn't have [supposedly] the amount of collective experience that the BFL engineering team had. Yet you see them struggling with things that they shouldn't be struggling in. They don't appear to be well informed in my opinion. Team Avalon started the wafers contract on 11/26/2012 and by January 14th 2013 had already finalized shipping preparations. They were on the ball and got things rolling. Of course, this is a somewhat unfair comparison because they were using less layers [29] in their 110nm process node. So they had to wait less to achieve a result. BFL uses a 65nm process (which requires more time...assuming they have more layers...that is) but seems to fumble at each stage. Even after the fab, they continue to fumble through each step. The only eventuality the Avalon Team did not properly investigate was customs. Add to this the fact that CNY was around the corner and unfortunately "Shit Happens". Despite this month of delay...BFL is still fumbling to this day, even unto March 2013. As other have said in the shoutbox, what does this mean for the second wafer set coming down the pike? Will that also be delayed by 1 to 2 weeks as the first was? I'm not trolling here, and I would like an honest answer. You seem like a fairly intelligent person and you know how to frame intelligent arguments, but I'm not sure why you're keeping up the constant crusade against Josh and BFL.
Is there a specific reason? Yes, Josh likes to post trash talk against the Avalon Team. Example: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/923-avalon-unit-delivered-bfl-hq.html --------------- At the very least, I post actual things of interest. Most of what happens in the shoutbox never gets written into the "official" updates posts. That includes various specific details. Unfortunately, I don't have a log of that to prove it. I understand if you skimmed the latest shoutbox log and do not notice the references being made to prior conversations within the shoutbox. You have to get on at specific times to see the various back and forth. If not, you'll miss it and you won't get it through the regular updates. ------------------------- Needless to say, what the majority end up reading is not necessarily all the fine details of the situation. To find out what is happening you should log in to the shoutbox and keep abreast of the situation. The official updates are just a nice "summary" with certain key details left out. It makes the rep rage in anger when one does that. ------------------------ In either case, I do not see what any BFL customer would be offended by if you post details in front of them. Perhaps people don't want to know more about these situations? Edit: By the way, the hardcore supporters are now often tongue lashing BFL in the shoutbox quite openly. I wonder what it was that they saw that made them feel that way. Their disenfranchised sentiment is now often leaking into the open BFL forum. |
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Yes you weren't there to witness it ...
Gotcha? Anyway, I'll stop replying. Better things to do. edit: for those that do not know [11:56 AM] ASIC-J : grnbrg is very good at updating. He is usually around on shoutbox and knows what is going on. |
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You are fretting about something that is not worth while. Grnbrg said pretty much exactly what you told him in your IRC log from the looks of it. I invite people to go look and compare it for themselves. You'll see the dig from the samurai wanna-be is nonesense. So what your sword toting dig is bitching about is none of my business. Go message the grievances in my PM box. I cannot guarantee I'll read it though. Well as usual you don't quote directly then claim it as truth By the way genius, it's IRC, you are either there to witness it in the moment or you aren't. |
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Retard I quoted Grnbrg not you. Go take it up with him.
As for your quotes they are probably from IRC which is not where this quote is from.
As for all the rest of your message, yes it is true as far as I read. You can keep trying to revise history but unless you find yourself with a room full of retards and a willing gullibility it won't work.
I don't need to quote any tiny segment, I provided the [link to your] entire history of your postings in various places for anyone to read in context. Whether people took that upon themselves or not is a separate question.
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[09:47 AM] Hiver : or if he decided to do it at all.
[09:48 AM] CohibaJr : I doubt he's sitting in the bumping facility.
[09:49 AM] polrpaul : doubt it
[09:49 AM] polrpaul : he would have announced a trip
[09:50 AM] CohibaJr : He should be visiting the bumping facility, but who knows
[09:51 AM] polrpaul : moreover, I don't believe BFL has any contact with the bumper at all
[09:51 AM] CohibaJr : which is sad
[09:51 AM] polrpaul : here's why: they contracted the project via the packager, who sub'ed it to their bumping house
[09:51 AM] polrpaul : when BFL wanted to go North Carolina, it was for a good reason: direct contact with the bumper
[09:52 AM] Hiver : Ah.
[09:52 AM] polrpaul : but then they weren't able to meet deadlines, and the packaging house said: "we can do it"
[09:52 AM] polrpaul : the hell they can
[09:52 AM] CohibaJr : they aren't on top of their game, they need to be constantly in contact will all processors of the device.
[09:52 AM] polrpaul : but if they have no contact at the bumper = shit out of luck
[09:52 AM] polrpaul : nobody to call except their contact at the packager
[09:52 AM] CohibaJr : yup
[09:53 AM] polrpaul : packager says: "we're still waiting to hear from bumper"
[09:53 AM] polrpaul : circle jerk
[09:53 AM] CohibaJr : yeah, exactly
[09:53 AM] CohibaJr : i don't think that BFL is at the top of their game
[09:53 AM] polrpaul : lastly, without an update from Josh yesterday or today thus far... we are sitting losers
[09:53 AM] Hiver : I subcontracted some work once. It was the worst decision I've ever made as a professional.
[09:54 AM] polrpaul : well you have to remember that any work BFL doesn't do: is subcontracted - that's just about all of it
* polrpaul has reached 2250 shouts!* [09:54 AM]
[09:54 AM] CohibaJr : exactly, subcontracting without being in contact with the sub is a losing situation.
[09:54 AM] polrpaul : the issue comes when their contractor subcontracts their work
[09:54 AM] shuadoom : Subcontracting is fine as long as you are in constant contact or at least have a line of communication
[09:54 AM] polrpaul : +1 CohibaJr
[09:54 AM] Hiver : So, if I'm getting this right, BFL are taking the packaging people at their word
[09:54 AM] polrpaul : +1 shuadoom
[09:55 AM] CohibaJr : sure seems like it, hiver
[09:55 AM] shuadoom : Pol: That should have been part of the arrangement with anyone they deal with though, approval, oversight, and communication with everything regarding subcontracts.
[09:55 AM] polrpaul : and yet... ?
[09:55 AM] polrpaul : here we are holding our dicks, gentlemen
[09:55 AM] CohibaJr : I don't think that Josh likes to oversight.
[09:55 AM] shuadoom : specification, delivery wise...monetaryily is another thing...
[09:55 AM] CohibaJr : That's the feeling I get.
[09:55 AM] shuadoom : monetarily...
[09:55 AM] Fjordbit : I was at least hoping to hear the test fascility got their chip
[09:56 AM] Hiver : The person I farmed the work out too fell off the planet as soon as the good faith payment cleared. Made me look bad, made my customer angry... it was a nightmare. I ended up busting my balls to make the customer happy and took a loss on the job.
[09:56 AM] polrpaul : YEAH
[09:56 AM] shuadoom : Well, all the more reason to get a kicstarter together and some hardware guys and diy
[09:56 AM] Fjordbit : Right now, that should be everyone's biggest concern.
[09:56 AM] Hiver : Someone FOSSing an ASIC chip?
[09:56 AM] polrpaul : shuadoom - with u !
[09:57 AM] polrpaul : I thought the whole Avalon project was open source, no?
[09:57 AM] CohibaJr : I don't think it's a bad thing, being aggressive in Business. Right now, BFL is at the mercy of everyone, because they aren't asserting their position.
[09:57 AM] shuadoom : Business is business, no room for "well ill let the sub deal with the sub"...You need full control in order for your product and your standards to be met...
[09:57 AM] polrpaul : I see they released the Software side of things into github
[09:58 AM] polrpaul : my biggest beef: the transparency provided, or lack thereof
[09:58 AM] shuadoom : Cohiba: Exactly.
[09:58 AM] polrpaul : it's one thing to pre-order, be told a date, and then receive your item around that expected date
[09:59 AM] polrpaul : it's a complete different story when they miss the dates, keep stringing you along, and then try to feed you transparency "chips are being bumped right now!"
[09:59 AM] polrpaul : when the lack of transparency ends.. the scam is revealed
[10:01 AM] polrpaul : i'd rather not get any transparency at all, just keep shifting the damn date in realistic terms (not by 1 week or even 1 month, but by 6 months)
[10:01 AM] CohibaJr : BFL looks really weak right now due to missed dates, delays, and not asserting their position. If BFL is a student in a college course, it deserves a BIG F-.
[10:01 AM] polrpaul : AND, offer your customers a real incentive to stay onboard
[10:01 AM] polrpaul : the discounts were a joke
[10:01 AM] polrpaul : I should be able to order more at a discount now
[10:01 AM] polrpaul : I should be able to order more at a discount now
[10:02 AM] polrpaul : and that's the other thing CohibaJr, I'm finding it hard to believe anyone at BFL has a college degree
[10:02 AM] polrpaul : not even going to get into the cast of characters and their previous history
[10:03 AM] polrpaul : anyone want to start a company? I don't feel at all intimidated by BFL's prowess from a competitive standpoint
[10:03 AM] CohibaJr : polrpaul, hahaha, you're thinking kind of what i'm thinking, but i just didn't want to say anything.
[10:04 AM] polrpaul : I mean: how can they order 6 wafers of chips, with 6 more wafers already started too, when there is not even 1 working prototype
[10:04 AM] polrpaul : (serious TOO)
[10:04 AM] polrpaul : I don't want to be shady or rape anyone of fair earnings
[10:05 AM] polrpaul : I don't want to take millions in pre-orders, but ... sure that would be nice too
[10:05 AM] SLok : yeah, you can run a mining pool and fly planes with just highschool, same for the guy doing asic design and writing firmware, not, polrpaul?
[10:05 AM] Fjordbit : polrpaul, how would they have a working prototype without chips?
[10:05 AM] polrpaul : a kickstarter type fund is the appropriate path
[10:05 AM] polrpaul : correct SLok
[10:05 AM] shuadoom : Pol: Fair earnings? Intillectual Property is BS...
[10:05 AM] SLok : think again clown
[10:05 AM] polrpaul : shuadoom, don't understand
[10:06 AM] shuadoom : If you can figure out how something works, you should be able to make it and sell it..
[10:06 AM] shuadoom : Intellactual property = monopoly
[10:06 AM] polrpaul : SLok - who the clown?
[10:06 AM] shuadoom : so there would be nothing unfair about making a competing product and releasing it
[10:07 AM] SLok : who do you think
[10:07 AM] polrpaul : shuadoom, my comment was - don't want to pull a bASIC scam or anything like that.. don't take money from people that you know you are raping
[10:07 AM] shuadoom : ahhh word.
[10:07 AM] polrpaul : SLok - proof
[10:07 AM] shuadoom : I thought you meant like unfair to bfl...
[10:08 AM] polrpaul : pictures or it didn't happen
[10:08 AM] polrpaul : no, unfair to the people
[10:08 AM] shuadoom : I say if you can bring a product to market and beat them, do it...
[10:08 AM] polrpaul : so far.. it's all been unfair from the ASIC vendors.. except perhaps ASICMINER going live, but that's not a product
[10:08 AM] polrpaul : if Avalon customers in China are indeed receiving and going live - congratulations to Avalon
[10:08 AM] shuadoom : If I knew hardware better, I totally would, but I'm not an engineer..
[10:09 AM] polrpaul : if not.. scammy
[10:09 AM] polrpaul : don't need to be an engineer shuadoom - running a company requires different skillsets
[10:09 AM] polrpaul : and if you ask me, a COO should be all about business
[10:09 AM] polrpaul : Josh acts more like a CTO, IMHO
[10:10 AM] CohibaJr : Avalon is so far the only company that has delivered something like they said they would, and even exceeded expectations(dates).
[10:10 AM] CohibaJr : CTO?
[10:10 AM] polrpaul : especially given his side hobbies of running EMC pool, now the ASIC Hosting program, running BFL Ad campaigns potentially for personal profit
[10:10 AM] CohibaJr : Chief Technical Officer?
[10:10 AM] shuadoom : Oh I know, but I don't know enough about hardware to know that folks are being truthful about it to put myself in such a position.
[10:10 AM] shuadoom : technology
[10:11 AM] polrpaul : you hire trusted elves to oversee the pieces you don't understand
[10:11 AM] SLok : how comfortable, a customer in China received his asic, none besides 2 in the rest of the world, and they all can't work longer than 36 hours before they need a restart.
[10:11 AM] shuadoom : Chief Turd Orifice
[10:11 AM] shuadoom : Cheif too
[10:11 AM] shuadoom : wait no..chief
[10:11 AM] shuadoom : yeah..
[10:11 AM] SLok : and an engeneering degree fr the operator
[10:11 AM] CohibaJr : Yeah, Josh isn't a COO for sure. he's more of an engineer. COO will be VERY AGGRESSIVE, and fly out to the situs to examine all the processes, and constantly talk to the people every day.
[10:11 AM] polrpaul : yeah, reality of avalon product existing en masse, and its quality both remain to be determiend
[10:12 AM] shuadoom : No need to be a d1ck as a coo, but letting them know, if you don't do the job the way I want, you don't get the job is absolutely necessary
[10:13 AM] polrpaul : absolutely
[10:13 AM] CohibaJr : for sure, shua
[10:14 AM] CohibaJr : Don't need to be a dick as a COO, but be aggressive/proactive and be very involved in the process and schedules and deadlines.
[10:14 AM] shuadoom : Go watch an interview with steve jobs,.he had no problems telling someone that there work was shit....and he said, its never personal, its about the product/business
[10:14 AM] polrpaul : as long as we're shooting the shit.. skills I bring to the table in the C-suite: Technology (CTO) and Security (CSO/CISO)
[10:14 AM] polrpaul : I am not a sales/marketing/advertising person, and I am not an aggressive leader as a CEO and COO should be
[10:14 AM] polrpaul : I know nothing of finance as a CFO should master
[10:14 AM] CohibaJr : Sitting back at the headquarters as a COO doesn't look very professional, especially while there are MASSIVE DELAYS happening in the process.
[10:15 AM] polrpaul : california is the place to be right now, not snowy kansas city
[10:15 AM] shuadoom : *coughvaporwarecough*
[10:15 AM] polrpaul : and then off to chicago (or send somebody else) to oversee the boards
[10:16 AM] CohibaJr : Can't be sitting around at your desk, no one is going to hand you food into your mouth. You've got to go fight and get your food, so that you can survive. That's the attitude of a COO.
[10:16 AM] SLok : ordered something shuadoom?
[10:16 AM] shuadoom : I have a hunch that the delays are more of a "lets get this working right" and less of a our subs are shite
[10:16 AM] shuadoom : No, I want to, I just don't have a positive feeling about it being a legitimate purchase..
[10:17 AM] shuadoom : And I know that I will be last in line, but If I have to end up paying more for something sooner, then that is what I will do, because I want a product that is functional and in my hands
[10:18 AM] shuadoom : I have no legitimate gripe at this point, just trying to work it out for my best interests.
[10:18 AM] shuadoom : as should everyone, with every transaction
[10:19 AM] SLok : i see, my best interest was order early to get one before the masses get theirs.
* SLok has reached 750 shouts!* [10:19 AM]
[10:20 AM] polrpaul : my interest was: get one in realistic time frame
[10:20 AM] polrpaul : 6 months late is.. bordering unrealistic IMHO
* polrpaul has reached 2300 shouts!* [10:20 AM]
[10:20 AM] polrpaul : and with that.. I'm off to hunt breakfast
[10:20 AM] shuadoom : Slok: I wish I had, though probably would be very angry at this point..
* shuadoom has reached 50 shouts!* [10:20 AM]
[10:21 AM] CohibaJr : April is my deadline date. If BFL can't deliver by then $22K of my money will be refunded.
[10:21 AM] SLok : i can wait for the new iphone, if i cared for one, no need to sleep for a store to get that first, but this is a different playing field
[10:22 AM] polrpaul : I was saying March 1... over $5K ..time to chill out and try to reassess, maybe CohibaJr has some better sense
[10:22 AM] SLok : way to late, agreed polrpaul, but this is cutting edge tech, so i'll hang on
[10:22 AM] polrpaul : that critical edge is slipping
[10:22 AM] SLok : what else to do?
[10:23 AM] CohibaJr : I don't know what else to do or say except that a 22year old chinese kid(Avalon), beat out a giant(BFL) to the punch, even though it's not efficient.
[10:24 AM] CohibaJr : Single-handedly.
[10:24 AM] SLok : not the edge, people's expectations of profits, while an asic today gets the same redicted profit as back in september in $, chack the mining calculators
[10:24 AM] shuadoom : Because to me, every purchase is a free exchange between individuals, value for value, and when the value is not met by one side or the other, there is cause for anger/grievance etc, because it is not value for value at that point;.
[10:24 AM] SLok : that's a whole team avalon, not some kid. dr ngzang etc
[10:25 AM] CohibaJr : I know it's a whole team Avalon, but the 22 year old kid represents the whole team.
[10:25 AM] polrpaul : you can say Josh represents BFL in the same way, how old is he?
[10:27 AM] KrLos : hallo, btc down to 26
[10:28 AM] CohibaJr : early 30s?
[10:28 AM] CohibaJr : mid 30s?
[10:29 AM] KrLos : mt gox Last price:$28.10000 Problems with contractors doing sub-contracting? Is that the reason for the delays? Posted under the FAIR USE ACT for the purposes of discussion and education.Edit: BTC price may now be in a devaluation trend. Bad news for all! |
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Please post more information and sources for your information.
Where did you hear this from?
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[07:50 PM] btcftw : what's the latest news? are these things moving along?
[07:51 PM] Hiver : The latest is the chips are in bumping and will be there until bumping says so.
[07:52 PM] onryo : Hi guy. Any news?
[07:52 PM] Hiver : Whoever told Josh two days should get a kick in the pants.
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04:46 PM] grnbrg :
From kanoi@freenode://cgminer - Firmware limitation for the MiniRig is 30 boards. Which may or may not fit in the MR chassis.
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If there is anyone you should be mad at, it should be the people you have given money to half a year ago and are still waiting to get your equipment.
As for your blindness crazyyates, the BFL forum is full of complaints.
Now folks like you who are clearly willing to wait any length of time for BFL are turning around and accusing fellow BFL customers of being "trolls" for asking where the situation is currently at.
Customer support is blogging about how how the delays may be even longer. While contradictory statements are being made about when different customers at different order dates will receive their hardware.
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For example,
Do you really think 80+ Minirig owners are going to wait more months after initial shipping while the TH/s drives difficulty through the roof and profitability through the floor with multitudes of other smaller orders?
I don't think so.
Only 6 wafers after 4 to 5 months of delays? 6,000 chips if it is an optimum situation?
Thats crazy, every time I read an update the only thing I see being spelled out is how they are still at the early stage of ensuring a working prototype is going to work.
Avalon is way past that point. The only big deal with Avalon is getting the hardware past customs and into the hands of customers. They are already working on Gen 2.
BFL is still praying and hoping the simulations and "luck" pans out.
As soon as BFL minirig owners see the first BFL orders (big or small) arriving at customer doors, they are going to be turning the screws on BFL to put them as a priority. With so few chips to go around, they are going to be told no, or they will [speculation] make up some story of why they can't deliver smaller orders.
There is a "clusterfuck" coming. It will either be a technical hurdle or a quantity hurdle. Any one with two eyes and a brain can see that from a mile away.
I don't even need to point this out. it has probably already crossed customers minds.
Wait till BFL ships and watch the fireworks.
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ty to PuertoLibre for doing the heavy lifting in these threads, taking a lot of heat for being the voice of reason.
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IMO the silence since 2/14 is deafening. I mean, how hot was the bumping? really no pix this time? they prolly wouldn't let you take a pic of the soldering anyway. And there is no way to take a pic after you get them back. so you understand, no pix.
ship pre-order monies.
ROFL I'll say it again: who cares about a fucking plane? It's completely useless information. And PuertoLibre as a voice or reason? What have you been smoking? I don't know what Micon is thanking me for to be honest. As for you crazyyates, a known BFL supporter, you'd say anything to brown nose a little more. Even when I repost those said updates, the BFL rep gets crazy angry and calls his own words a lie. (or claims that I misinterpret things) --------------- The only thing I know for certain is that you: --Don't have your ASICs in hand after the promised date + 4 (turning into 5) months now. --You keep being yanked around by your groin from one partial monthly delay to the next. So no matter how much you flail or huff and puff, that point stands. --------------- Avalon customers have only been waiting for one month for their shipments. The prototypes are done and a number have been delivered. (a small number) --------------- BFL customers are now on their 4th or 5th month of waiting after the promised delivery date. The prototypes aren't done and BFL has said this multiple times when asked. So any time you or any BFL customer thinks they can swing like a club "how long an Avalon customer has been waiting"... remember, you have to multiply your own waiting time by multiples of our own. And you will keep waiting and "taking it" like a champ. And as far as this "deafening silence", you realize that Josh posted an update several hours ago, and Kano has been uploading pics over the past 2 days? I don't see anyone else but you complaining about BFL's lack of updates over the past month or so.
Most of his updates are roughly amounting to setting the next delay. Again, taking it like a champ for nearly half a year. Good job. |
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Could someone with a low Batch 1 number call DHL and check if they have any tracking?
Whats low? Any idea what number they started on? In any case, I'm pretty sure they haven't shipped (meaning released to a major shipper) mine— and so I'm doubtful they've shipped anyone elses. (I'm going to take a totally WAG— pure speculation— that to resolve the costly shipping they put the units they shipped out on a cargo ship, and at some point they land at a port in the US and get handed off to a carrier) That crazy idea had just crossed my mind just days before you mentioned it. LOL, I guess we thought of the same solution. P.S. A 33 pound package via DHL express costs $421. |
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At this stage BFL would be better off saying "mid-March" and pleasantly surprising people by being ready to ship early than giving another overly optimistic "worst case scenario" and failing to meet it. 22 February was supposed to be the "worst case scenario".
I'm also curious about how much their units weigh because $88 for international shipping sounds way too low.
Hopefully it is not by USPS or EMS. USPS works with EMS last I checked and USPS recently jacked their prices sky high for international shipping. (EMS = Express Mail Service) I plugged a 6 pound package into DHL's calculator. For 3 day express shipping - leaving Kansas City on a Monday and landing in Sydney on Thursday the same week, it was $149 if organised online (this doesn't take into account any customs delays - they only guarantee getting it to Sydney in that time-frame). Once things are cleared through customs and handed off to local carriers, delivery is usually pretty quick. You can end up having to pay for redelivery, though, because the tracking information isn't reliable with some carriers and they attempt delivery before the date shown on the tracking info. I know there've been a lot of customs problems with EMS packages coming from China to Australia recently - don't know if packages from the US are affected. How much is it for a 33 pounds package via DHL vs EMS? Edit: Origin: China |
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At this stage BFL would be better off saying "mid-March" and pleasantly surprising people by being ready to ship early than giving another overly optimistic "worst case scenario" and failing to meet it. 22 February was supposed to be the "worst case scenario".
I'm also curious about how much their units weigh because $88 for international shipping sounds way too low.
Hopefully it is not by USPS or EMS. USPS works with EMS last I checked and USPS recently jacked their prices sky high for international shipping. (EMS = Express Mail Service http://www.ems.com.cn/english.html) |
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Excerpts: [08:22 PM] SLok : pictures all seen before, so the latest 18th bumping is off, but no actual word on what's next? No shipping in febr. then, not in first half march too. If you are not in batch one, expect april [08:23 PM] SLok : you think next batches of wafers will be treated different? [08:24 PM] SLok : by the bumping/packaging guys? [11:20 PM] BFL_Josh : I got more info today. The bumping should be done by tomorrow and the ASIC team should have sample chips by Friday, or at least that's when they are expecting them (about 40) so they can run tests and make sure everything is good. Packaging should be done around the same time and shipped off to Chicago after that. [11:21 PM] Bowjob : Josh, will you be shipping by March or not? [11:21 PM] KrLos : so, maybe the shippings start after 1 march? Posted under the FAIR USE act for the purposes of discussion and education. |
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Whilst BFL provide zero proof other than something that looks like somewhere where they made/make their FPGA products my BTC stays in my wallet.
Avalon have faired no better, they spent all Batch#1 money on making a few prototypes and now have Batch#2 funds to work with to fulfill outstanding orders.
Both have run roughshod over their consumer base with unrealistic timescales, poor communications/white lies and are playing high risk business strategies.
They are both running too close to the wire for me to invest yet, so whilst BTC is on the up anyone with any sense should keep their wallets firmly closed unless you can afford to loose out, only then are the potential gains worth anything.
I was told in PM that they didn't have any problems with manufacturing. Only with clearing customs because the CNY was on top of them. Why don't they say that in public? Like i say 'POOR COMMUNICATIONS/WHITE LIES'. I know of no business that secretly sends info out to their fanbois only. It isn't a secret and I believe they have said that before. The only problem is everyone prefers the other theory that they had manufacturing problems. I can say I was guilty of thinking that as well at some point. |
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Whilst BFL provide zero proof other than something that looks like somewhere where they made/make their FPGA products my BTC stays in my wallet.
Avalon have faired no better, they spent all Batch#1 money on making a few prototypes and now have Batch#2 funds to work with to fulfill outstanding orders.
Both have run roughshod over their consumer base with unrealistic timescales, poor communications/white lies and are playing high risk business strategies.
They are both running too close to the wire for me to invest yet, so whilst BTC is on the up anyone with any sense should keep their wallets firmly closed unless you can afford to loose out, only then are the potential gains worth anything.
I was told in PM that they didn't have any problems with manufacturing. Only with clearing customs because the CNY was on top of them. |
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