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3581  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated. on: March 30, 2014, 01:05:51 AM
Please post if anyone had a problem or knows of a complaint against Jetwin.
3582  Economy / Gambling / Re: What has been the best bitbook sportsbook in your experience? on: March 30, 2014, 12:51:47 AM
Sigh I'm not really enjoying Nitrogen. Not too happy about bitbook.biz leaving. Now I realize how superior it was..
I like to look into all books so I'm curious why you think that Bitbook was superior to Nitrogen?
3583  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated. on: March 30, 2014, 12:24:02 AM
I'll post some rules of other post up books.

Bookmaker
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26. BookMaker reserves the right to take away any bonus -such as a free plays- any time, without explanation

1Vice - They can take all of your funds for multiple reasons.
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Other sanctions could include:

Administration fees
Refusal of payouts
Reversal of wagering transactions
3584  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated. on: March 30, 2014, 12:14:10 AM
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Even though they have numerous onerous terms in their T & C and the most ridiculous bonus rollover terms in the history of sportsbooks
untrue. I'm also not sure how you can downgrade a book based upon bonus rules when many books don't give bonuses.

3585  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetVIP.com - Professional Bitcoin sportsbook! Best Odds & Most Live Content! on: March 29, 2014, 10:22:27 PM
How long do withdrawals normally take? I asked for a small one to see what happens.
3586  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated. on: March 29, 2014, 08:54:38 PM
nextbit.co just opened. At this time they are only taking a few soccer matches daily.

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Many sports betting sites use cheap marketing tactics like bikini-clad women and flashy banners to try and lure people in. But let’s face it: there are better sites out there for bikini-gazing. What you want is gimmick-free sports betting with Bitcoin. We get it.

Built by Bitcoiners and sports betters, NextBit.co is a new Bitcoin-based gambling site that offers a simple and secure sports book. No bikinis. No flash. Just fair, fun, and anonymous sports betting that starts and ends with Bitcoin.

But enough about banner-babes, let’s talk about something even sexier to online gamblers. That’s right—security. 

Other sports books claim they are secure, but are they really? Some sites use weak code and cut corners in infrastructure, making them as vulnerable to theft as a Las Vegas casino with no surveillance. 

What makes NextBit different?

NextBit is designed by a team of security experts and programming gurus, so you can rest assured your winnings will always find their way into your wallet.

NextBit security infrastructure includes:
256 AES Encryption
Separate servers that manage transactions and the website, reducing attack surfaces and keeping your Bitcoins secure.
Independent Bitcoin wallets that allow you to openly track bets in the blockchain.

Not only is NextBit one of the most secure sports books on the web, but we’re also one of the easiest to use. Being sports bettors ourselves, we were tired of gambling sites that looked as cluttered as a hoarder’s garage, which is why we created NextBit: a clean, clutter-free, and easy to navigate betting site.

At NextBit, just pick your event, enter a wager, review the odds, and send your payment. That’s it. Four clicks and you’re done.

Remaining true to the spirit of Bitcoin, all betting with NextBit is anonymous. No emails. No accounts. No Facebook login links. We believe your identity is your business. Like the uninterested doorman at your favorite bar, NextBit waves you on in without ever asking for an I.D.

And finally, in solidarity with the Bitcoin community, NextBit.co is proud to be a 100% Bitcoin-based sports book. We pay our employees and only do business in Bitcoin.

So come place a wager with NextBit today. And stay tuned for all the new features and updates we’ll be regularly rolling out. 

Cheers and may the betting gods guide your next wager.

-Team NextBit
3587  Economy / Gambling / Re: What has been the best bitbook sportsbook in your experience? on: March 29, 2014, 03:49:57 AM
So Nitrogen is the best replacement of BitBook? I havent placed bets since it has gone down.
Nitrogen and Anonibet are the only two that you really need.
3588  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated. on: March 28, 2014, 05:51:46 PM
Darkbet temporarily offline

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Hi everyone,

We have decided it would be best to take DarkBet offline in anticipation for our launch, meanwhile myself and the team will be able to continue improving the platform in a more stress-free environment.

continuing the Beta while we work on these last major implementation would not be a pleasant experience for our users, so we unanimously decided that this was the best course of action. On the bright side, this will greatly speed up the progress and even allow us to make some new improvements and additions.

We are very thankful for everyone who has participated in the Beta, the contribution has been beyond what we had expected. A lot of you have emailed and PM'd us about suggestions, bugs and overall made a huge contributions to DarkBets future.

We recommend that those who have funds in their accounts withdraw these before 1. April, however we will be answering PM's and emails contentiously until our launch in case someone missed this email/announcement.

PS. All VIPP, DBP and BTC balances will be kept, as well as any user history and logs.

We hope everyone returns for our launch and thanks again for all the support!

Thomas
3589  Economy / Gambling / Re: What has been the best bitbook sportsbook in your experience? on: March 28, 2014, 06:24:44 AM
The reason I like the "A" rated books above.

Anonibet for European sports, high limits, live betting.
Nitrogen for US sports with -107.
Betcoinsports for higher limits on American sports but they do have -110.
3590  Economy / Gambling / Re: What has been the best bitbook sportsbook in your experience? on: March 28, 2014, 05:59:10 AM
"A" rated books
Anonibet A
NitrogenSports A-
Betcoinsports A-

"B"rated books
Casinobitcoin B
Cloudbet B 
CoinBet B
DirectBet B
SBObitcoin B-
Jetwin B-

"C" rated books
Bitbm C
BTCSportsmatch C (closing)

"D" rated books
Bitcoinlivebets D-

"F" rated books
Bitcoinsport
Bitsaloon
StakeBTC

NR
Bitbook - Closed but paid players.

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3591  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated. on: March 28, 2014, 12:15:08 AM
"A" rated books
Anonibet A
NitrogenSports A-
Betcoinsports A-

"B"rated books
Casinobitcoin B
Cloudbet B 
CoinBet B
DirectBet B
SBObitcoin B-
Jetwin B-

"C" rated books
Bitbm C
BTCSportsmatch C (closing)

"D" rated books
Bitcoinlivebets D-

"F" rated books
Bitcoinsport
Bitsaloon
StakeBTC

NR
Bitbook - Closed but paid players.
3592  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated. on: March 28, 2014, 12:09:37 AM
Hi Peeps can u look into BTCSportsMatch as im trying to withdraw my balance and it wont let me threw the system. There is this message saying they are closing:Due to a legal issue, we are suspending operations. Please cancel any orders and withdraw your balance or email support from your authorized email address for a manual withdrawal. Matches for March 27 and beyond have been voided. We appreciate your support over the last 3 years.
I emailed them to send my BTC, can u find out more?
I just went to the withdrawal screen where it asks how much you would like to withdraw. Are you able to get to that screen?
3593  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated. on: March 27, 2014, 09:52:44 AM
One last thing. If there is any sign of trouble, it will be posted. Prior to Bitbook stating that they were closing shop, I posted "do not deposit at Bitbook at this time" and their rating was dropped.  If any of us see a warning of trouble, it should be posted.

Some times with the books, I give them some time before coming out with a rating since it may be unfair to the book as well as players looking in. I waited on Darkbet and they have now disappeared. Now I'm waiting on BetVIP.
3594  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated. on: March 27, 2014, 09:28:15 AM
Jetwin upgraded to B-

Jetwin's opening rating was a "D". The reason for the low rating was in large part due to their rules. Their rules state that they can confiscate player's funds for a multitude of reasons. While many post up books state similar rules, the bad books will use those rules. The good books never use confiscation rules for syndicate and steam plays. They ban the player but all winnings are paid. Jetwin seems to be using their rules as a scarecrow tactic.

Why do they get into the B's so fast? Books need to earn the respect here not just an ease of access if u want them to respect or if u want anyone to take u serious Peeps. Going from a D to a B overnite is overboard. Some people will count on these ratings Peeps and I have also sent over people from other forums to look at these ratings, if things go wrong then this will be taken as a joke. I hope u understand what I'm trying to get at an A book really needs to be an A and people need to know that they are safe. Consider this when rating, we need things to get bigger and better, people are already scared. I wish more books with history would use bitcoins.
What you say is valid and in almost all other circumstances a book will not be raised two grades.

My thought process was that Jetwin should have been a B- book but that their rules granted them free reign to confiscate funds. My thinking now is that the rules are just stock rules used by other books that aren't intended to be used.  I feel that my original grade was much too low.

I also like what Jetwin is doing with risk management where I'm secure on their plans to pay players. Some of these 3x rollover books scare me. This is the reason that Stakebet opened at a "D" and I stated the only reason they were a "D" is that they haven't had a slow pay yet.
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The only thing keeping StakeBTC from being a "F", because of that bonus, is that they haven't had one complaint as far as payouts. StakeBTC opens at "D".

I do appreciate the feedback and if you and others feel that Jetwin should have a lower grade, then the grade will be lowered.
3595  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated. on: March 27, 2014, 03:22:07 AM
Alabamafan1 on Bitbook
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They have users 10+ days to withdraw their balance after they made the announcement they were closing. People who had 50+ BTC in bitbook did not have any problem withdrawing during those days and bitbook made it clear the site was going offline after 7 days had passed and they said it would be up for a few more days. Do not call bitbook a scam direct bet, they never were and it is not the fault of them that these users did not check their accounts or the latest news in 10+ days
3596  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated. on: March 26, 2014, 11:01:50 PM
Thanks fore the updates Peep!
You're welcome.
3597  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated. on: March 26, 2014, 07:43:13 PM
Jetwin upgraded to B-

Jetwin's opening rating was a "D". The reason for the low rating was in large part due to their rules. Their rules state that they can confiscate player's funds for a multitude of reasons. While many post up books state similar rules, the bad books will use those rules. The good books never use confiscation rules for syndicate and steam plays. They ban the player but all winnings are paid. Jetwin seems to be using their rules as a scarecrow tactic.
3598  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated. on: March 26, 2014, 03:42:51 PM
Jetwin - You have taken preemptive measures to prevent bonus abuse which is understandable. In the case of cash post up books, the book will boot a person that they feel is making steam plays or a sharp. With bitcoins this is much tougher to do when a person remains anonymous. If you feel that a person is making steam plays, will you confiscate winnings or ban the account and pay the player?

Steam plays are somewhat open to interpretation. If you boot a player it's your own interpretation. If you confiscate winnings of your interpretation it's a dangerous precedent that you are setting.
Our odds monitoring system and trading tools have proven their efficiency – we are moving our odds fast and it is very difficult to find arbitrage situations; therefore, I doubt that our website is an arbitrager’s attraction.
A player does on a website only that he is allowed to do by a bookmaker, and the bookmaker is fully responsible for the result of how his website is used, thus, if we accept bet, provide bonus and allow any other action we will fulfil all the obligations from our part (pay out winnings, bonuses etc.)
Of course, no confiscation of winnings will be made, it is merely information published on the website in order to maximally diminish fraud attempts.
Thank you. I appreciate you answering.
3599  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated. on: March 25, 2014, 08:29:07 PM
"A" rated books
Anonibet A
NitrogenSports A-
Betcoinsports A-

"B"rated books
Casinobitcoin B
Cloudbet B  
CoinBet B
DirectBet
SBObitcoin B-

"C" rated books
Bitbm C
BTCSportsmatch C

"D" rated books
Jetwin D+ (in the process of an upgraded rating)
Bitcoinlivebets D-

"F" rated books
Bitcoinsport
Bitsaloon
StakeBTC

NR
Bitbook - They were once rated B+. They have closed down and are in the process of paying all players.
3600  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated. on: March 25, 2014, 08:25:06 PM
Peeps u shouldn't put Bitbook in the same category as F rated books it gives off the wrong signal to people. They are paying people not screwing them. What if down the road they ever decide that they want back in then people will remember that they were in the same category as a stiff book. Separate category would be better for these things, they deserve much better than that. Just my thoughts when I look at the rating sheet.

Great idea. I'll set up a separate category.
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