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Author Topic: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.  (Read 89153 times)
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March 26, 2014, 11:01:50 PM
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Thanks fore the updates Peep!
You're welcome.

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March 27, 2014, 03:22:07 AM
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They have users 10+ days to withdraw their balance after they made the announcement they were closing. People who had 50+ BTC in bitbook did not have any problem withdrawing during those days and bitbook made it clear the site was going offline after 7 days had passed and they said it would be up for a few more days. Do not call bitbook a scam direct bet, they never were and it is not the fault of them that these users did not check their accounts or the latest news in 10+ days

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March 27, 2014, 07:30:52 AM
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Jetwin upgraded to B-

Jetwin's opening rating was a "D". The reason for the low rating was in large part due to their rules. Their rules state that they can confiscate player's funds for a multitude of reasons. While many post up books state similar rules, the bad books will use those rules. The good books never use confiscation rules for syndicate and steam plays. They ban the player but all winnings are paid. Jetwin seems to be using their rules as a scarecrow tactic.

Why do they get into the B's so fast? Books need to earn the respect here not just an ease of access if u want them to respect or if u want anyone to take u serious Peeps. Going from a D to a B overnite is overboard. Some people will count on these ratings Peeps and I have also sent over people from other forums to look at these ratings, if things go wrong then this will be taken as a joke. I hope u understand what I'm trying to get at an A book really needs to be an A and people need to know that they are safe. Consider this when rating, we need things to get bigger and better, people are already scared. I wish more books with history would use bitcoins.
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March 27, 2014, 09:28:15 AM
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Jetwin upgraded to B-

Jetwin's opening rating was a "D". The reason for the low rating was in large part due to their rules. Their rules state that they can confiscate player's funds for a multitude of reasons. While many post up books state similar rules, the bad books will use those rules. The good books never use confiscation rules for syndicate and steam plays. They ban the player but all winnings are paid. Jetwin seems to be using their rules as a scarecrow tactic.

Why do they get into the B's so fast? Books need to earn the respect here not just an ease of access if u want them to respect or if u want anyone to take u serious Peeps. Going from a D to a B overnite is overboard. Some people will count on these ratings Peeps and I have also sent over people from other forums to look at these ratings, if things go wrong then this will be taken as a joke. I hope u understand what I'm trying to get at an A book really needs to be an A and people need to know that they are safe. Consider this when rating, we need things to get bigger and better, people are already scared. I wish more books with history would use bitcoins.
What you say is valid and in almost all other circumstances a book will not be raised two grades.

My thought process was that Jetwin should have been a B- book but that their rules granted them free reign to confiscate funds. My thinking now is that the rules are just stock rules used by other books that aren't intended to be used.  I feel that my original grade was much too low.

I also like what Jetwin is doing with risk management where I'm secure on their plans to pay players. Some of these 3x rollover books scare me. This is the reason that Stakebet opened at a "D" and I stated the only reason they were a "D" is that they haven't had a slow pay yet.
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The only thing keeping StakeBTC from being a "F", because of that bonus, is that they haven't had one complaint as far as payouts. StakeBTC opens at "D".

I do appreciate the feedback and if you and others feel that Jetwin should have a lower grade, then the grade will be lowered.

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March 27, 2014, 09:52:44 AM
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One last thing. If there is any sign of trouble, it will be posted. Prior to Bitbook stating that they were closing shop, I posted "do not deposit at Bitbook at this time" and their rating was dropped.  If any of us see a warning of trouble, it should be posted.

Some times with the books, I give them some time before coming out with a rating since it may be unfair to the book as well as players looking in. I waited on Darkbet and they have now disappeared. Now I'm waiting on BetVIP.

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March 27, 2014, 11:08:42 PM
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Hi Peeps can u look into BTCSportsMatch as im trying to withdraw my balance and it wont let me threw the system. There is this message saying they are closing:Due to a legal issue, we are suspending operations. Please cancel any orders and withdraw your balance or email support from your authorized email address for a manual withdrawal. Matches for March 27 and beyond have been voided. We appreciate your support over the last 3 years.
I emailed them to send my BTC, can u find out more?
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March 28, 2014, 12:09:37 AM
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Hi Peeps can u look into BTCSportsMatch as im trying to withdraw my balance and it wont let me threw the system. There is this message saying they are closing:Due to a legal issue, we are suspending operations. Please cancel any orders and withdraw your balance or email support from your authorized email address for a manual withdrawal. Matches for March 27 and beyond have been voided. We appreciate your support over the last 3 years.
I emailed them to send my BTC, can u find out more?
I just went to the withdrawal screen where it asks how much you would like to withdraw. Are you able to get to that screen?

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March 28, 2014, 12:15:08 AM
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"A" rated books
Anonibet A
NitrogenSports A-
Betcoinsports A-

"B"rated books
Casinobitcoin B
Cloudbet B 
CoinBet B
DirectBet B
SBObitcoin B-
Jetwin B-

"C" rated books
Bitbm C
BTCSportsmatch C (closing)

"D" rated books
Bitcoinlivebets D-

"F" rated books
Bitcoinsport
Bitsaloon
StakeBTC

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Bitbook - Closed but paid players.

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March 28, 2014, 01:05:07 AM
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Hi Peeps can u look into BTCSportsMatch as im trying to withdraw my balance and it wont let me threw the system. There is this message saying they are closing:Due to a legal issue, we are suspending operations. Please cancel any orders and withdraw your balance or email support from your authorized email address for a manual withdrawal. Matches for March 27 and beyond have been voided. We appreciate your support over the last 3 years.
I emailed them to send my BTC, can u find out more?
I just went to the withdrawal screen where it asks how much you would like to withdraw. Are you able to get to that screen?
I got my payout via email then within the hour the sent me back saying i was paid, but i will also say my account still shows my balance so if u here people trying a fast one u know the truth. The withdraw link didn't work for me in the cashier thats why I emailed them. Im pretty said about this place closing always something good has to get sh-itted on.
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March 28, 2014, 05:51:46 PM
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Darkbet temporarily offline

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Hi everyone,

We have decided it would be best to take DarkBet offline in anticipation for our launch, meanwhile myself and the team will be able to continue improving the platform in a more stress-free environment.

continuing the Beta while we work on these last major implementation would not be a pleasant experience for our users, so we unanimously decided that this was the best course of action. On the bright side, this will greatly speed up the progress and even allow us to make some new improvements and additions.

We are very thankful for everyone who has participated in the Beta, the contribution has been beyond what we had expected. A lot of you have emailed and PM'd us about suggestions, bugs and overall made a huge contributions to DarkBets future.

We recommend that those who have funds in their accounts withdraw these before 1. April, however we will be answering PM's and emails contentiously until our launch in case someone missed this email/announcement.

PS. All VIPP, DBP and BTC balances will be kept, as well as any user history and logs.

We hope everyone returns for our launch and thanks again for all the support!

Thomas

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March 29, 2014, 08:54:38 PM
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nextbit.co just opened. At this time they are only taking a few soccer matches daily.

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Many sports betting sites use cheap marketing tactics like bikini-clad women and flashy banners to try and lure people in. But let’s face it: there are better sites out there for bikini-gazing. What you want is gimmick-free sports betting with Bitcoin. We get it.

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But enough about banner-babes, let’s talk about something even sexier to online gamblers. That’s right—security. 

Other sports books claim they are secure, but are they really? Some sites use weak code and cut corners in infrastructure, making them as vulnerable to theft as a Las Vegas casino with no surveillance. 

What makes NextBit different?

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Separate servers that manage transactions and the website, reducing attack surfaces and keeping your Bitcoins secure.
Independent Bitcoin wallets that allow you to openly track bets in the blockchain.

Not only is NextBit one of the most secure sports books on the web, but we’re also one of the easiest to use. Being sports bettors ourselves, we were tired of gambling sites that looked as cluttered as a hoarder’s garage, which is why we created NextBit: a clean, clutter-free, and easy to navigate betting site.

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So come place a wager with NextBit today. And stay tuned for all the new features and updates we’ll be regularly rolling out. 

Cheers and may the betting gods guide your next wager.

-Team NextBit

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March 29, 2014, 11:25:05 PM
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Peeps u shouldn't put Bitbook in the same category as F rated books it gives off the wrong signal to people. They are paying people not screwing them. What if down the road they ever decide that they want back in then people will remember that they were in the same category as a stiff book. Separate category would be better for these things, they deserve much better than that. Just my thoughts when I look at the rating sheet.

Bitbook.biz paid depositors for 48 hours, and are now incommunicado.

There are depositors who weren't aware of the close down during that 48 hours and are now - unsuccessfully - trying to reach bitbook.biz:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=523426.0

They've been trying to reach Bitbook.biz for 5 days now.
And of course there have to be others who are not aware of this forum and/or this thread in the same situation.

So this book does deserve an F.
Out of the blue announcing "We're closing down, submit your withdrawal request" is the right way to do it.
Disappearing after 48 hours and disabling/not responding to depositors who still have funds there is not the right way to do it.





I was totally unaware of this as I thought they have paid everyone out.


Now Peeps is aware of this also, but he hasn't changed it back to an "F" rating, even though customers are being stiffed.
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March 29, 2014, 11:27:04 PM
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They have users 10+ days to withdraw their balance after they made the announcement they were closing. People who had 50+ BTC in bitbook did not have any problem withdrawing during those days and bitbook made it clear the site was going offline after 7 days had passed and they said it would be up for a few more days. Do not call bitbook a scam direct bet, they never were and it is not the fault of them that these users did not check their accounts or the latest news in 10+ days

It's irrelevant what term is used for Bitbook.biz, or, what the owner's intentions are or were.


"Do not call bitbook a scam direct bet, they never were and it is not the fault of them that these users did not check their accounts or the latest news in 10+ days"

It's also not the fault of their customers that they didn't feel a need to check in every 10 days to see if this  book was going to go out of business and cut off all contact after 10 days.



He could still pay them - if he has the money to do so, and/or the desire.

The fact is that customers are being stiffed, and the owner is aware that he is stiffing them.

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March 29, 2014, 11:33:02 PM
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Jetwin upgraded to B-

Jetwin's opening rating was a "D". The reason for the low rating was in large part due to their rules. Their rules state that they can confiscate player's funds for a multitude of reasons. While many post up books state similar rules, the bad books will use those rules. The good books never use confiscation rules for syndicate and steam plays. They ban the player but all winnings are paid. Jetwin seems to be using their rules as a scarecrow tactic.

Why do they get into the B's so fast? Books need to earn the respect here not just an ease of access if u want them to respect or if u want anyone to take u serious Peeps. Going from a D to a B overnite is overboard. Some people will count on these ratings Peeps and I have also sent over people from other forums to look at these ratings, if things go wrong then this will be taken as a joke. I hope u understand what I'm trying to get at an A book really needs to be an A and people need to know that they are safe. Consider this when rating, we need things to get bigger and better, people are already scared. I wish more books with history would use bitcoins.
What you say is valid and in almost all other circumstances a book will not be raised two grades.

My thought process was that Jetwin should have been a B- book but that their rules granted them free reign to confiscate funds. My thinking now is that the rules are just stock rules used by other books that aren't intended to be used.  I feel that my original grade was much too low.

I also like what Jetwin is doing with risk management where I'm secure on their plans to pay players. Some of these 3x rollover books scare me. This is the reason that Stakebet opened at a "D" and I stated the only reason they were a "D" is that they haven't had a slow pay yet.
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The only thing keeping StakeBTC from being a "F", because of that bonus, is that they haven't had one complaint as far as payouts. StakeBTC opens at "D".

I do appreciate the feedback and if you and others feel that Jetwin should have a lower grade, then the grade will be lowered.


Agree with Legions.


Peeps - "I also like what Jetwin is doing with risk management where I'm secure on their plans to pay players."

You are secure on their plans to pay players.
Even though they have numerous onerous terms in their T & C and the most ridiculous bonus rollover terms in the history of sportsbooks, you asked them and they told you that all of those terms will be ignored and they will not steal from players.

There are numerous sportsbooks out there, and none of them feel a need to post all of the justifications for possible future theft that Jetwin has in its T&C.

But you asked them, and they told you the only thing they could tell you, "Oh we're really good guys and we were just funning" and you believe this and move them up 2 ranks, after they're in existence a few weeks.
You take the word of complete strangers at face value, as if this came from the management of the Greek or Pinnacle, and not from anonymous people on a bitcoin forum, in a sub-culture where there have already been numerous stiffings and problems.


Legions - "Books need to earn the respect here not just an ease of access if u want them to respect or if u want anyone to take u serious Peeps."


Peeps - "My thought process..."
Here's where you get into trouble.






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Even though they have numerous onerous terms in their T & C and the most ridiculous bonus rollover terms in the history of sportsbooks
untrue. I'm also not sure how you can downgrade a book based upon bonus rules when many books don't give bonuses.


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March 30, 2014, 12:24:02 AM
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I'll post some rules of other post up books.

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26. BookMaker reserves the right to take away any bonus -such as a free plays- any time, without explanation

1Vice - They can take all of your funds for multiple reasons.
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Administration fees
Refusal of payouts
Reversal of wagering transactions

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Please post if anyone had a problem or knows of a complaint against Jetwin.

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I'll post some rules of other post up books.

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26. BookMaker reserves the right to take away any bonus -such as a free plays- any time, without explanation

1Vice - They can take all of your funds for multiple reasons.
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Other sanctions could include:

Administration fees
Refusal of payouts
Reversal of wagering transactions
1vice is a good place and won't screw people. I have used them and know of numerous people who have enjoyed there stay when they have played there.
U know what I just realized that also accepts bitcoins and gives out good bonuses and have been around for a few years already. Betowi and sportsbettingonline, both owned the same Betowi gives 100% bonuses. Probably good for a C rating and that $500 deposit bonus and betting a few hundred per bet. They do convert to usd but it's also 100%.
Also something else to note anything related to Pinnacle in anyway is an A++
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March 30, 2014, 08:45:25 AM
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They have users 10+ days to withdraw their balance after they made the announcement they were closing. People who had 50+ BTC in bitbook did not have any problem withdrawing during those days and bitbook made it clear the site was going offline after 7 days had passed and they said it would be up for a few more days. Do not call bitbook a scam direct bet, they never were and it is not the fault of them that these users did not check their accounts or the latest news in 10+ days

It's irrelevant what term is used for Bitbook.biz, or, what the owner's intentions are or were.


"Do not call bitbook a scam direct bet, they never were and it is not the fault of them that these users did not check their accounts or the latest news in 10+ days"

It's also not the fault of their customers that they didn't feel a need to check in every 10 days to see if this  book was going to go out of business and cut off all contact after 10 days.



He could still pay them - if he has the money to do so, and/or the desire.

The fact is that customers are being stiffed, and the owner is aware that he is stiffing them.


I don't get it why would they pay everyone except a few people? Give it time, maybe someone could figure out how to contact them.
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They have users 10+ days to withdraw their balance after they made the announcement they were closing. People who had 50+ BTC in bitbook did not have any problem withdrawing during those days and bitbook made it clear the site was going offline after 7 days had passed and they said it would be up for a few more days. Do not call bitbook a scam direct bet, they never were and it is not the fault of them that these users did not check their accounts or the latest news in 10+ days

It's irrelevant what term is used for Bitbook.biz, or, what the owner's intentions are or were.


"Do not call bitbook a scam direct bet, they never were and it is not the fault of them that these users did not check their accounts or the latest news in 10+ days"

It's also not the fault of their customers that they didn't feel a need to check in every 10 days to see if this  book was going to go out of business and cut off all contact after 10 days.



He could still pay them - if he has the money to do so, and/or the desire.

The fact is that customers are being stiffed, and the owner is aware that he is stiffing them.


I don't get it why would they pay everyone except a few people? Give it time, maybe someone could figure out how to contact them.


"I don't get it why would they pay everyone except a few people?"

I can only speculate -

 perhaps he was under capitalized, and paid until he ran out of funds, at which point he cut off all contact;

perhaps he changed his mind and decided he wanted to keep some of the funds for himself.



"Give it time, maybe someone could figure out how to contact them."

Hopefully you are correct and he reappears and makes everyone whole.


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