#1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.

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Totals have to go 8.5 or 9 but shouldn't the rules mention games must go 5 innings, 4.5 if the home team is winning.

Baseball games are official after 9 innings of play or 8.5 innings if the home team is leading.
Abandoned Matches:
 
All bets will be void (no action) on matches that are abandoned before the full nine innings have been completed (eight if the home team is winning)

NHL games go 60 minutes, not 70.

Hockey
 
All bets are determined at the end of a scheduled 70 minutes play unless otherwise stated. This does not include extra time or time allocated for a penalty stroke shootout.

What's with 48 hours? Never heard of this except in playoff events.

If an event is suspended, abandoned or postponed more than 48 hours after the scheduled commencement time, then all bets on that event shall be void

I've never seen this before for the NFL.

All bets will be void (no action) on matches that are postponed unless the game is played within the same NFL weekly schedule (Thursday – Wednesday)

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Totals have to go 8.5 or 9 but shouldn't the rules mention games must go 5 innings, 4.5 if the home team is winning.

Baseball games are official after 9 innings of play or 8.5 innings if the home team is leading.
Abandoned Matches:
 
All bets will be void (no action) on matches that are abandoned before the full nine innings have been completed (eight if the home team is winning)

NHL games go 60 minutes, not 70.

Hockey
 
All bets are determined at the end of a scheduled 70 minutes play unless otherwise stated. This does not include extra time or time allocated for a penalty stroke shootout.

What's with 48 hours? Never heard of this except in playoff events.

If an event is suspended, abandoned or postponed more than 48 hours after the scheduled commencement time, then all bets on that event shall be void

I've never seen this before for the NFL.

All bets will be void (no action) on matches that are postponed unless the game is played within the same NFL weekly schedule (Thursday – Wednesday)

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Thanks

The site looks really good. There are lots of offers on the NBA including quarters and halves. Why no handicap full game for the Hou/Char NBA game?

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Is anyone playing at Jetwin?

I am regularly playing at jetwin. Together with nitrogen they are my favorite books. Payouts are faster at nitrogen, but jetwin has some markets I can’t find anywhere else.

I wish that Jetwin would make some changes to their rules. This was my original problem with Jetwin. They stated that they would change the anonymity rule but they haven't as of yet.

Should disputes arise in all matters relating to the awarding of the bonus and/or the Terms and Conditions in the Promotion, the final decision shall lies with JETWIN. The decision made will be binding and shall not be subject to review or appeal by any customer or third party.

JETWIN further reserves the exclusive right, exercisable in its sole discretion, to modify, alter, discontinue, cancel and/or void this promotion at any time without any notice.

JETWIN reserves the right to ask any customer to provide sufficient documentation for us to be satisfied in our absolute discretion as to the customer's identity prior to us crediting any bonus to his account.

Where any term of the offers or promotions have not been fulfilled by eligible account holders; are breached; are abused; or there is any evidence of a series of bets placed by a customer or group of customers irrespective of the outcome; or there is collusion in any other forms; or from the usage of multiple accounts; which due to a promotion bonus or any other promotional offer resulted in customer's profits, whether individually or as part of a group; JETWIN reserves the right to withhold, cancel or reclaim the bonus plus all winnings and to levy a charge on the customer's or customers' accounts up to the value of the deposit bonus to cover administrative costs. As a punitive deterrent and preceding to the deduction of such bonus or bonus plus winnings and administrative cost, the remaining balance in any or all accounts will be subjected to a 100% turnover respectively, before any withdrawal is allowed.

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Is anyone playing at Jetwin?

I am regularly playing at jetwin. Together with nitrogen they are my favorite books. Payouts are faster at nitrogen, but jetwin has some markets I can’t find anywhere else.

I wish that Jetwin would make some changes to their rules. This was my original problem with Jetwin. They stated that they would change the anonymity rule but they haven't as of yet.

Should disputes arise in all matters relating to the awarding of the bonus and/or the Terms and Conditions in the Promotion, the final decision shall lies with JETWIN. The decision made will be binding and shall not be subject to review or appeal by any customer or third party.

JETWIN further reserves the exclusive right, exercisable in its sole discretion, to modify, alter, discontinue, cancel and/or void this promotion at any time without any notice.

JETWIN reserves the right to ask any customer to provide sufficient documentation for us to be satisfied in our absolute discretion as to the customer's identity prior to us crediting any bonus to his account.

Where any term of the offers or promotions have not been fulfilled by eligible account holders; are breached; are abused; or there is any evidence of a series of bets placed by a customer or group of customers irrespective of the outcome; or there is collusion in any other forms; or from the usage of multiple accounts; which due to a promotion bonus or any other promotional offer resulted in customer's profits, whether individually or as part of a group; JETWIN reserves the right to withhold, cancel or reclaim the bonus plus all winnings and to levy a charge on the customer's or customers' accounts up to the value of the deposit bonus to cover administrative costs. As a punitive deterrent and preceding to the deduction of such bonus or bonus plus winnings and administrative cost, the remaining balance in any or all accounts will be subjected to a 100% turnover respectively, before any withdrawal is allowed.

Anonymous accounts will become available during this week. All the above mentioned rules won't be applied to these accounts; however, they will have certain limitations: anonymous accounts won't be eligible for any bonus and they will have lower limits as compared to full accounts.

We were planning to implement anonymous accounts related functionality earlier, but we spent more time than expected to improve the existing functionality:  to extend offer of new types of bets and to optimize the code for better system operation under load, which is always top priority for us (you won’t find any complain concerning deposit/withdrawal delays, slow or incorrect bet processing, discrepancy between posted and implemented on the website rules).

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Thanks for checking in Jetwin.

Would anyone else like to contribute thoughts before a change in rating is made on Jetwin?

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Jetwin - You have taken preemptive measures to prevent bonus abuse which is understandable. In the case of cash post up books, the book will boot a person that they feel is making steam plays or a sharp. With bitcoins this is much tougher to do when a person remains anonymous. If you feel that a person is making steam plays, will you confiscate winnings or ban the account and pay the player?

Steam plays are somewhat open to interpretation. If you boot a player it's your own interpretation. If you confiscate winnings of your interpretation it's a dangerous precedent that you are setting.

[Legions36]

Peeps u shouldn't put Bitbook in the same category as F rated books it gives off the wrong signal to people. They are paying people not screwing them. What if down the road they ever decide that they want back in then people will remember that they were in the same category as a stiff book. Separate category would be better for these things, they deserve much better than that. Just my thoughts when I look at the rating sheet.

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Peeps u shouldn't put Bitbook in the same category as F rated books it gives off the wrong signal to people. They are paying people not screwing them. What if down the road they ever decide that they want back in then people will remember that they were in the same category as a stiff book. Separate category would be better for these things, they deserve much better than that. Just my thoughts when I look at the rating sheet.

Great idea. I'll set up a separate category.

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"A" rated books
Anonibet A
NitrogenSports A-
Betcoinsports A-

"B"rated books
Casinobitcoin B
Cloudbet B  
CoinBet B
DirectBet
SBObitcoin B-

"C" rated books
Bitbm C
BTCSportsmatch C

"D" rated books
Jetwin D+ (in the process of an upgraded rating)
Bitcoinlivebets D-

"F" rated books
Bitcoinsport
Bitsaloon
StakeBTC

NR
Bitbook - They were once rated B+. They have closed down and are in the process of paying all players.

[Gogo ppp]

Peeps u shouldn't put Bitbook in the same category as F rated books it gives off the wrong signal to people. They are paying people not screwing them. What if down the road they ever decide that they want back in then people will remember that they were in the same category as a stiff book. Separate category would be better for these things, they deserve much better than that. Just my thoughts when I look at the rating sheet.

Bitbook.biz paid depositors for 48 hours, and are now incommunicado.

There are depositors who weren't aware of the close down during that 48 hours and are now - unsuccessfully - trying to reach bitbook.biz:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=523426.0

They've been trying to reach Bitbook.biz for 5 days now.
And of course there have to be others who are not aware of this forum and/or this thread in the same situation.

So this book does deserve an F.
Out of the blue announcing "We're closing down, submit your withdrawal request" is the right way to do it.
Disappearing after 48 hours and disabling/not responding to depositors who still have funds there is not the right way to do it.

[Legions36]

Peeps u shouldn't put Bitbook in the same category as F rated books it gives off the wrong signal to people. They are paying people not screwing them. What if down the road they ever decide that they want back in then people will remember that they were in the same category as a stiff book. Separate category would be better for these things, they deserve much better than that. Just my thoughts when I look at the rating sheet.

Bitbook.biz paid depositors for 48 hours, and are now incommunicado.

There are depositors who weren't aware of the close down during that 48 hours and are now - unsuccessfully - trying to reach bitbook.biz:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=523426.0

They've been trying to reach Bitbook.biz for 5 days now.
And of course there have to be others who are not aware of this forum and/or this thread in the same situation.

So this book does deserve an F.
Out of the blue announcing "We're closing down, submit your withdrawal request" is the right way to do it.
Disappearing after 48 hours and disabling/not responding to depositors who still have funds there is not the right way to do it.

I was totally unaware of this as I thought they have paid everyone out.

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Jetwin - You have taken preemptive measures to prevent bonus abuse which is understandable. In the case of cash post up books, the book will boot a person that they feel is making steam plays or a sharp. With bitcoins this is much tougher to do when a person remains anonymous. If you feel that a person is making steam plays, will you confiscate winnings or ban the account and pay the player?

Steam plays are somewhat open to interpretation. If you boot a player it's your own interpretation. If you confiscate winnings of your interpretation it's a dangerous precedent that you are setting.

Our odds monitoring system and trading tools have proven their efficiency – we are moving our odds fast and it is very difficult to find arbitrage situations; therefore, I doubt that our website is an arbitrager’s attraction.
A player does on a website only that he is allowed to do by a bookmaker, and the bookmaker is fully responsible for the result of how his website is used, thus, if we accept bet, provide bonus and allow any other action we will fulfil all the obligations from our part (pay out winnings, bonuses etc.)
Of course, no confiscation of winnings will be made, it is merely information published on the website in order to maximally diminish fraud attempts.

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Jetwin - You have taken preemptive measures to prevent bonus abuse which is understandable. In the case of cash post up books, the book will boot a person that they feel is making steam plays or a sharp. With bitcoins this is much tougher to do when a person remains anonymous. If you feel that a person is making steam plays, will you confiscate winnings or ban the account and pay the player?

Steam plays are somewhat open to interpretation. If you boot a player it's your own interpretation. If you confiscate winnings of your interpretation it's a dangerous precedent that you are setting.

Our odds monitoring system and trading tools have proven their efficiency – we are moving our odds fast and it is very difficult to find arbitrage situations; therefore, I doubt that our website is an arbitrager’s attraction.
A player does on a website only that he is allowed to do by a bookmaker, and the bookmaker is fully responsible for the result of how his website is used, thus, if we accept bet, provide bonus and allow any other action we will fulfil all the obligations from our part (pay out winnings, bonuses etc.)
Of course, no confiscation of winnings will be made, it is merely information published on the website in order to maximally diminish fraud attempts.

Thank you. I appreciate you answering.

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Jetwin upgraded to B-

Jetwin's opening rating was a "D". The reason for the low rating was in large part due to their rules. Their rules state that they can confiscate player's funds for a multitude of reasons. While many post up books state similar rules, the bad books will use those rules. The good books never use confiscation rules for syndicate and steam plays. They ban the player but all winnings are paid. Jetwin seems to be using their rules as a scarecrow tactic.

[jeremypwr]

Thanks fore the updates Peep!

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Thanks fore the updates Peep!

You're welcome.

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Alabamafan1 on Bitbook

They have users 10+ days to withdraw their balance after they made the announcement they were closing. People who had 50+ BTC in bitbook did not have any problem withdrawing during those days and bitbook made it clear the site was going offline after 7 days had passed and they said it would be up for a few more days. Do not call bitbook a scam direct bet, they never were and it is not the fault of them that these users did not check their accounts or the latest news in 10+ days

[Legions36]

Jetwin upgraded to B-

Jetwin's opening rating was a "D". The reason for the low rating was in large part due to their rules. Their rules state that they can confiscate player's funds for a multitude of reasons. While many post up books state similar rules, the bad books will use those rules. The good books never use confiscation rules for syndicate and steam plays. They ban the player but all winnings are paid. Jetwin seems to be using their rules as a scarecrow tactic.

Why do they get into the B's so fast? Books need to earn the respect here not just an ease of access if u want them to respect or if u want anyone to take u serious Peeps. Going from a D to a B overnite is overboard. Some people will count on these ratings Peeps and I have also sent over people from other forums to look at these ratings, if things go wrong then this will be taken as a joke. I hope u understand what I'm trying to get at an A book really needs to be an A and people need to know that they are safe. Consider this when rating, we need things to get bigger and better, people are already scared. I wish more books with history would use bitcoins.

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Jetwin upgraded to B-

Jetwin's opening rating was a "D". The reason for the low rating was in large part due to their rules. Their rules state that they can confiscate player's funds for a multitude of reasons. While many post up books state similar rules, the bad books will use those rules. The good books never use confiscation rules for syndicate and steam plays. They ban the player but all winnings are paid. Jetwin seems to be using their rules as a scarecrow tactic.

Why do they get into the B's so fast? Books need to earn the respect here not just an ease of access if u want them to respect or if u want anyone to take u serious Peeps. Going from a D to a B overnite is overboard. Some people will count on these ratings Peeps and I have also sent over people from other forums to look at these ratings, if things go wrong then this will be taken as a joke. I hope u understand what I'm trying to get at an A book really needs to be an A and people need to know that they are safe. Consider this when rating, we need things to get bigger and better, people are already scared. I wish more books with history would use bitcoins.

What you say is valid and in almost all other circumstances a book will not be raised two grades.

My thought process was that Jetwin should have been a B- book but that their rules granted them free reign to confiscate funds. My thinking now is that the rules are just stock rules used by other books that aren't intended to be used.  I feel that my original grade was much too low.

I also like what Jetwin is doing with risk management where I'm secure on their plans to pay players. Some of these 3x rollover books scare me. This is the reason that Stakebet opened at a "D" and I stated the only reason they were a "D" is that they haven't had a slow pay yet.

The only thing keeping StakeBTC from being a "F", because of that bonus, is that they haven't had one complaint as far as payouts. StakeBTC opens at "D".

I do appreciate the feedback and if you and others feel that Jetwin should have a lower grade, then the grade will be lowered.