A self moderated forum need to be created for Bitcoin Cash ,
as this bunch of core trolls pussies have no intention of stopping.
╥Aztek
There is absolutely nothing stopping you from creating your own self-moderated thread. If what you desire is an echo chamber for Bitcoin Cash lovers, then go for it. There is no point to me creating one, as they have already banned me for weeks at a time when I have done nothing against their TOS. They just permaban me and I would be unable to delete the trolls posts and we are right back where we started. No, the current OP should create a new moderated thread , and point to it from here and then lock this one forever. As he is a member of DT, they won't permaban him. ╥Aztek The current OP is a staff member. If he creates a self moderated thread, that would be very controversial. All of us Trolls would be bitching to Theymos, I'm sure. Then the current OP admits he only create this forum unmoderated so that core trolls could attack it at all times. Other staff members create self moderated forums , and most coins are self moderated, for this one not to be shows it was only setup to be attacked daily by core trolls. OP should pick a side if he is not already part of the core trolls. Because besides just creating a unmoderated thread, I seen him do absolutely nothing else. Bitcoin Cash needs a Moderated Thread, as paid core shills are overrunning this one, no other coin has ever allow such constant trolling attacks like these. ╥Aztek Its a free ANN here and the good thing is, you can very easy measure the panic and fear level by the occurrence and quality of trolls here - so no need to ban these mongers but also not feed them - this will bias the measurements. BTW, Bitcoin Cash is not about forum impact, it is about its inherent usefulness - the more it will be used, the fear level from outsiders gets bigger  It is also not how outsiders will name it - that is just very childish and reflects their minds. They need to re-label fearful things as a kind of self-protection. This they've might have learned from their Harry Potter times, cause Lord Voldemord had to be renamed as well... |
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You don't even need to check anything with sensationalist claims like that. Shit article by a shit author. Light Pollution in the U.S. alone: 120 terawatt-hours/year Bitcoin Network: 29.05 terrawatt-hours/year (Confirmation? Some articles cite 11 Twh/yr ?) CERN Hadron Collider: 1.3 terrawatt-hours/year Yeah, let's get the global light pollution levels solved first before we start considering Bitcoin energy consumption a problem... There is a lot more like Useless gold mining and destroying nature. Fiat coin / note production Extreme air conditioning ... |
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True.
But what do you expect what happens once they can offer goods and services for BCH ?
When globalization happens for the ppl who needs it most / not big companies ?
What makes you think that people will accept BCH for goods and services and not any of the dozen far better altcoins or even Bitcoin? Simply - usage (low fees - many wallets) and security (ASIC backed 9 year proven PoW / blockchain tech). You're being a bit too optimistic IMHO. BCH is just a toy for a handful of billionaires and day traders. It bleeds much like any other altcoin when bitcoin market is bullish. BCH hasn't even hit a 1MB block, the prime reason why they forked. Agreed with you these things doesn't matter in current ecosystem of bitcoin but some people are playing with noobs just promoting these things to make them dreams of big profit. How much they have been lost since that epic pump while bitcoin add +$4k in very short time of period and still moving to new ATH. I don't like bch market , unstable and seems handle unnatural BTC looks much more stable and natural As usual fresh markets need to consolidate both in price and volatility. BCH is still in orientation phase - no reason to be in panic mode. And yes if you cannot stand this market you might want to leave it - it's free choice - week hands will sell this and I will also never give investment advice - only play with stakes you can afford to lose. The time frame for bootstrapping and adoption is many months / some years - so either you help building or better leave this project by now. Another crazy jump and dump again!! not stable for trading Hum ? If you want trade 'stable' things, pls leave crypto at all.  I mean crazy pumps , Obviously they are not normal and its team want rise price very very quickly ,, so value is not normal and market sin't health Oh boy- If legacy bitcoin has no other use case than speculation - and core is at best track to reduce it to this - then it's the biggest pump in history ever - maybe the tulips can keep up here.... So BCH is exactly about to fix this and if trading volume comes in more and more - these pumps are history. |
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True.
But what do you expect what happens once they can offer goods and services for BCH ?
When globalization happens for the ppl who needs it most / not big companies ?
What makes you think that people will accept BCH for goods and services and not any of the dozen far better altcoins or even Bitcoin? Simply - usage (low fees - many wallets) and security (ASIC backed 9 year proven PoW / blockchain tech). You're being a bit too optimistic IMHO. BCH is just a toy for a handful of billionaires and day traders. It bleeds much like any other altcoin when bitcoin market is bullish. BCH hasn't even hit a 1MB block, the prime reason why they forked. Agreed with you these things doesn't matter in current ecosystem of bitcoin but some people are playing with noobs just promoting these things to make them dreams of big profit. How much they have been lost since that epic pump while bitcoin add +$4k in very short time of period and still moving to new ATH. I don't like bch market , unstable and seems handle unnatural BTC looks much more stable and natural As usual fresh markets need to consolidate both in price and volatility. BCH is still in orientation phase - no reason to be in panic mode. And yes if you cannot stand this market you might want to leave it - it's free choice - week hands will sell this and I will also never give investment advice - only play with stakes you can afford to lose. The time frame for bootstrapping and adoption is many months / some years - so either you help building or better leave this project by now. Another crazy jump and dump again!! not stable for trading Hum ? If you want trade 'stable' things, pls leave crypto at all. |
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True.
But what do you expect what happens once they can offer goods and services for BCH ?
When globalization happens for the ppl who needs it most / not big companies ?
What makes you think that people will accept BCH for goods and services and not any of the dozen far better altcoins or even Bitcoin? Simply - usage (low fees - many wallets) and security (ASIC backed 9 year proven PoW / blockchain tech). You're being a bit too optimistic IMHO. BCH is just a toy for a handful of billionaires and day traders. It bleeds much like any other altcoin when bitcoin market is bullish. BCH hasn't even hit a 1MB block, the prime reason why they forked. Agreed with you these things doesn't matter in current ecosystem of bitcoin but some people are playing with noobs just promoting these things to make them dreams of big profit. How much they have been lost since that epic pump while bitcoin add +$4k in very short time of period and still moving to new ATH. I don't like bch market , unstable and seems handle unnatural BTC looks much more stable and natural As usual fresh markets need to consolidate both in price and volatility. BCH is still in orientation phase - no reason to be in panic mode. And yes if you cannot stand this market you might want to leave it - it's free choice - week hands will sell this and I will also never give investment advice - only play with stakes you can afford to lose. The time frame for bootstrapping and adoption is many months / some years - so either you help building or better leave this project by now. |
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True.
But what do you expect what happens once they can offer goods and services for BCH ?
When globalization happens for the ppl who needs it most / not big companies ?
What makes you think that people will accept BCH for goods and services and not any of the dozen far better altcoins or even Bitcoin? Simply - usage (low fees - many wallets) and security (ASIC backed 9 year proven PoW / blockchain tech) - it's good old Bitcoin man. |
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I did not think about BCH as an alternative to BTC. I just thought it could bring wealth, but it seems that many people think BCH is the real BTC. I do not understand why? Is it because of its technical value better than BTC?
BCH technology is indeed better than BTC, and later SBTC technology is more powerful, is simply BCH+ intelligent contract + lightning network. But BTC is famous and has a long history. The position of the leading role is not so easy to replace. Old BTC has still very strong price momentum / upside trend and fresh money still buys BTC (crypto) at first place. It is the hartest task of trading to predict the point when this tops and rolls over into a side phase or a down trend even. Once this comes it will be most interesting what will happen - will investors try to really use BTC (high fees and no extra capacity might prove this very shitty) ? Will they exit crypto ? Or will they move into BCH that should have lots of merchants in place for real usage? Time will tell.... Most "investors" aka speculators are interested in more FIAT, not crypto. Hmm - not so sure, esp if you account for the poor masses on earth having no access to 'stable' fiat like EUR, CHF, (USD) But right now I'd say most actual investors will - since BTC investors still buy with these ccys. But why do we see so much JPY and KRW trades already ? CNY was forbidden INR ? BRL ? EGP ? SAR .... This list seems to be endless! The poor masses on earth don't have much cash to throw at crypto to begin with. True. But what do you expect what happens once they can offer goods and services for BCH ? When globalization happens for the ppl who needs it most / not big companies ? |
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I did not think about BCH as an alternative to BTC. I just thought it could bring wealth, but it seems that many people think BCH is the real BTC. I do not understand why? Is it because of its technical value better than BTC?
BCH technology is indeed better than BTC, and later SBTC technology is more powerful, is simply BCH+ intelligent contract + lightning network. But BTC is famous and has a long history. The position of the leading role is not so easy to replace. Old BTC has still very strong price momentum / upside trend and fresh money still buys BTC (crypto) at first place. It is the hartest task of trading to predict the point when this tops and rolls over into a side phase or a down trend even. Once this comes it will be most interesting what will happen - will investors try to really use BTC (high fees and no extra capacity might prove this very shitty) ? Will they exit crypto ? Or will they move into BCH that should have lots of merchants in place for real usage? Time will tell.... Most "investors" aka speculators are interested in more FIAT, not crypto. Hmm - not so sure, esp if you account for the poor masses on earth having no access to 'stable' fiat like EUR, CHF, (USD) But right now I'd say most actual investors will - since BTC investors still buy with these ccys. But why do we see so much JPY and KRW trades already ? CNY was forbidden INR ? BRL ? EGP ? ZAR .... This list seems to be endless! |
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I did not think about BCH as an alternative to BTC. I just thought it could bring wealth, but it seems that many people think BCH is the real BTC. I do not understand why? Is it because of its technical value better than BTC?
BCH technology is indeed better than BTC, and later SBTC technology is more powerful, is simply BCH+ intelligent contract + lightning network. But BTC is famous and has a long history. The position of the leading role is not so easy to replace. Old BTC has still very strong price momentum / upside trend and fresh money still buys BTC (crypto) at first place. It is the hartest task of trading to predict the point when this tops and rolls over into a side phase or a down trend even. Once this comes it will be most interesting what will happen - will investors try to really use BTC (high fees and no extra capacity might prove this very shitty) ? Will they exit crypto ? Or will they move into BCH that should have lots of merchants in place for real usage? Time will tell.... |
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Why did you post this? I am curious. I come from physics - it's from this . It shows energetic minima where states will automatically settle into / or need external energy to get over the hills. I'd say you can use this schema to explain e.g. auto-find out the correct / stable block-size by external forces / boundaries - this works much better than invent artificial constraints (hacked into code / base protocols and make these unnecessarily complicated -> killing / slowing down other teams to build clients on top). |
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how is a block size change and a different adjustment algo superior code? its the same code. i think you mean to say same code but superior parameter change ov course in your opinion else you are stating it as fact when of course you arent the authority to state such as truth
Superior Performance and Superior Protection from a death spiral = Superior CODE ! I state Logic , when if you can reason logically , you see it as factual and truthful because you can see it also. ╥Aztek By the way the addition of segshit into core coin , with its anyone can send address, is definitely INFERIOR to the original design.
incorrect. you stated superior code this is a statement made of fact. saying the current difficulty adjustment algo allows x which i believe means y. this is a statement of logic without making it sound like you state fact. you should start prefacing you comments with i believe. without that you are indeed stating it as fact when its not. its not someone taking it as factual. if you structure your sentences as stating fact then thats what it is. its not others taking it the wrong way. if you think that to be the case then you are indeed saying how the english language functions in sentences and use is wrong. this isnt the case at all. I doubt it's even worth discussing with Aztek. Anyone who fails to understand that on-chain scalability solutions are short-term and no real improvement to the code is completely blind. I'd like to point to Antonopoulos here who correctly says that any solution improving scalability linearly is no solution to crypto's real problems. We need exponential scalability and increasing the block size is no such solution. So you literally say Bill Gates was right: stay on 640K - or eMail you prefer to stay at max 1MB ? This is exactly a 'restricted view by day = today" - this is not Bitcoin's idea. Bitcoin is open to all scaling - it's an open system to all competitive solutions and such simply cannot include any limitations. Limitations come into by physical and economical boundaries by default - and scaling boundaries cannot be part of any base protocol. So relax and watch what dimensions of scaling are out there.... |
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Mein höchster Respekt!
1a SahneSache!
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Ich habe gerade Hashgraph entdeckt. Der Hashgraph soll ein neuer Konsensalgorithmus sein, der einen radikal anderen Ansatz zum verteilten Konsens als die derzeitige Blockchain-Lösungen bietet. Entwickelt wurde er vom amerikanische Unternehmen Swirlds. Vorteile sollen u.a. geringe Wartezeit, geringe CPU-Anforderungen (kein Proof-of-Work erforderlich), geringe Speicheranforderungen und sehr hoher Durchsatz sein. Habt ihr davon schon was gehört und was meint ihr zu dieser Technologie? Könnte der Hashgraph nach Blockchains und DAGs nun die dritte Stufe der Entwicklung sein? Hier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgwYU1Zr9Tg gibts übrigens ein gutes Video, dass den Hashgraph erklärt. Habe ich auch näher im Visier und ist sicher zumindest ein ICO Grund... Aus Security Seite kann ich mir zunächst noch nicht vorstellen, dass es ohne genügend Energie-Zufluss wirklich sicher ist. Thema bot net oder Sybill Attacken sind mir nicht klar und muss oder wird sicher mit einem ExperimentCoin kommen. Das hier finde ich super https://youtu.be/c6_AXwAcUnU |
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Man kotzt mich der EUR an... warum gerade jetzt diese rel. Stärke  Im fiat race to the bottom liegt halt grad der USD wieder etwas vorne. Komisch, dass Gold nicht reagiert, aber bevor die Leute in Gold gehen, dann doch lieber bitcoin. Der EUR plummst sicher wieder, wenn Merkel hustet oder Italien pleite geht. |
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why would they put it on a whiteboard in a video for everyone to see?
to convince people it's really true of course. epic plans don't happen until they're planned out beforehand on a white board. every evil genius knows that. he certainly blew his cover there though. i assume the shadowy cabal behind him is gonna have words and maybe even take his white board away. BTG is going to go to BCH prices because its more like the original bitcoin than cash stash BTG is GPU unlike this asic cartel shenanigan coin<<< You still suffer from troll dreams. Either BTG mining will be attacked by bot net or ASICs will be built if ppl pay enough for these coins. ASICS would be very hard to build for the Equihash. It requires a good deal of RAM. If you wanted to build an ASIC that can hash 100 times what a GPU can do, you would need at least 100GB of RAM, if not more. In order to make your ASIC more power efficient too, you would have to make the RAM more efficient. You could try to incorporate the RAM on the ASIC chip to make it more efficient, but at the present time, the processes to make an ASIC chip and a RAM chip are different. So you would need to invent a whole new process. The R&D costs would be prohibitive. Furthermore, the BTG team is clearly not aversive to implementing Hard Forks, Like CORE. So if such an ASIC came to market, they could just hard fork to a different algorithm. But hey, at least the new ASIC will still be able to mine ZCASH. (However, I suspect Zooko would consider hard forking as well.) BTG is being picked up by Vitalik and Lukejr so expect it to go higher then BCH BTG will be the winner by GPU is more like the original bitcoin not asic cartel<<< BTC already fullfills the function of unmovable numismatic like gold, floored by very high mining costs and bootstrapped social network. Bitcoin Cash is able to be sound and used money and is clearly superior once bootstrapping around world's merchants will leave BTC behind. Provitable mining always has a strong attractor to centralize, no matter what algo you use. BTG is good to keep Luke and other trolls busy, no more Huge blocks are bad though there are far too many issues and vulnerabilities yes it causes node decentralisation but there are other issues too just waiting to be exploited As many newbies will probably be unaware early bitcoin blocks include many spam transactions of encoded data such as the bitcoin whitepaper and encoded images and text saved for eternity and undo-able. Also before torrents became mainstream the #1 choice was to obtain copyright material was through usenet this uses something called yEnc that encodes binary files into text that can be sent and rebuilt through small chunks the same yEnc encoded binary data can also be encoded into bitcoin transactions doing so on bitcoin is not feasible any longer because you have to make a large transaction that costs too much for the amount of data needing to be stored. Now with Bcash with large blocks and talks of gigabyte blocks and keeping sub 1 cent fees there will never be a issue you can encode and store whatever you want on the blockchain including illegal prohibited content such as child porn that can never be deleted forced to be stored by all full nodes forever thinks like this are why I am so against pure on chain scaling with huge blocks these types of spam transactions are undetectable they look no different from any other transaction you need to look at things from every possible angle if it's possible it will be done and has been done already on bitcoin when it was in it's early years Have a look here and imagine things like this being applied to gigabyte blocks for as little as sending the smallest amount possible with just a 1sat/byte fee http://www.righto.com/2014/02/ascii-bernanke-wikileaks-photographs.htmlMany thanks for backing out this discussion here into a decade speculation and showing all you'rejust about trolling here or not able to see this. By a decade speculation / Gigablocks you just ignore many potential tech events like iPhone, terabytestores, broadband,... all thing helping only to the upside of scaling and are nearly 100% sure to come in next decades. Really, not worth of spreading FUD here in 2017. |
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why would they put it on a whiteboard in a video for everyone to see?
to convince people it's really true of course. epic plans don't happen until they're planned out beforehand on a white board. every evil genius knows that. he certainly blew his cover there though. i assume the shadowy cabal behind him is gonna have words and maybe even take his white board away. BTG is going to go to BCH prices because its more like the original bitcoin than cash stash BTG is GPU unlike this asic cartel shenanigan coin<<< You still suffer from troll dreams. Either BTG mining will be attacked by bot net or ASICs will be built if ppl pay enough for these coins. ASICS would be very hard to build for the Equihash. It requires a good deal of RAM. If you wanted to build an ASIC that can hash 100 times what a GPU can do, you would need at least 100GB of RAM, if not more. In order to make your ASIC more power efficient too, you would have to make the RAM more efficient. You could try to incorporate the RAM on the ASIC chip to make it more efficient, but at the present time, the processes to make an ASIC chip and a RAM chip are different. So you would need to invent a whole new process. The R&D costs would be prohibitive. Furthermore, the BTG team is clearly not aversive to implementing Hard Forks, Like CORE. So if such an ASIC came to market, they could just hard fork to a different algorithm. But hey, at least the new ASIC will still be able to mine ZCASH. (However, I suspect Zooko would consider hard forking as well.) BTG is being picked up by Vitalik and Lukejr so expect it to go higher then BCH BTG will be the winner by GPU is more like the original bitcoin not asic cartel<<< BTC already fullfills the function of unmovable numismatic like gold, floored by very high mining costs and bootstrapped social network. Bitcoin Cash is able to be sound and used money and is clearly superior once bootstrapping around world's merchants will leave BTC behind. Provitable mining always has a strong attractor to centralize, no matter what algo you use. BTG is good to keep Luke and other trolls busy, no more |
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why would they put it on a whiteboard in a video for everyone to see?
to convince people it's really true of course. epic plans don't happen until they're planned out beforehand on a white board. every evil genius knows that. he certainly blew his cover there though. i assume the shadowy cabal behind him is gonna have words and maybe even take his white board away. BTG is going to go to BCH prices because its more like the original bitcoin than cash stash BTG is GPU unlike this asic cartel shenanigan coin<<< You still suffer from troll dreams. Either BTG mining will be attacked by bot net or ASICs will be built if ppl pay enough for these coins. |
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Noooo, BCash doesn't have a CEO, it was all just a joke you guys...  Lol hmm... was it meant that dumps get this joke ? guess not |
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It’s slower than bitcoin and now costs more to send
Two lies for the price of one. Where do you come up with this stuff?  Mabe he's seen Electron Cash fees been too high - guess this is fixed soon. BCH has plenty of block space - so zero fee is possible all the time. |
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amazon became a very popular market on the internet. when amazon starts receiving bitcoin, that is, they realize the potential of bitcoin as a means of transaction and investment. and I feel that it will uplift them. besides, amazon might give a very good effect for bitcoin. because I think everyone around the world is using amazon. so it's like free advertising for bitcoin.
How should this work ? With these high and very erratic core fees ? |
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