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361  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin closes at 1280$ today on: November 25, 2017, 10:28:41 AM
Wake up cause I'm having a nightmare.

Aren't you tired of opening 100 threads on how bad,evil,unusable,slow etc bitcoin is ?
We get it, you want BTC to collapse because you were stupid, you didn't buy at 250$ and now you're angry at everyone making money.
But the solution is not spreading FUD around here, you have no influence.
Seek medical attention, it will solve a lot more of your problems.


Yet another sign of the bubble, and proving the Greater Fool theory applies.

You are clearly incapable of understanding people can have different motivations then buying and selling your precious Bitcoin
362  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin closes at 1280$ today on: November 25, 2017, 10:19:01 AM
When the headlines in the press are "Bitcoin closes at 1280$ today" and the time to do transactions are more than 80 hours - what do you plan on doing?
363  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Price of Bitcoin explained by economic theory on: November 25, 2017, 09:52:08 AM
Why are you starting all these threads stating, that BTC is scam, doomed and it will fail? Why are you so interested in posting it?  Huh Don't like it, just leave.

If just 1 person in here realizes that it is time to get out and manages to sell and thereby rescue his savings, then it has been worthwhile

For the religious hodlers in here, you can do what you want and I will not be sorry for you when you lose your savings as you have been duly warned.
364  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin a Good Investment at Today's High Price? on: November 25, 2017, 09:30:44 AM

Anyway, the bitcoin as we know has become self sustained currency now

No. Wrong.  People buy it because they hope the value will go up. That has nothing to do with being a currency.


The prices are pretty stable at this point

Are you retarded? Stable?? Look at the reality and tell me this is "stable" :





365  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin bubble on: November 25, 2017, 09:16:38 AM

You know there was a story in my local news about the price of bread at stores (it's high)
Also a few about the minimum wage needing to be increased.

Point is inflation.. which came from the 2008 world wide recession.
A recession that had grave consequences for many.. it collapsed the economy of smaller countries.
It made tons of people homeless and poor. and all of us ever since has been hammered with inflation.

Why ?
A lack of Regulations + Greed.

They chanted NO LAWS !
Greenspan said they would not let the system collapse (again)
He was fucking wrong.
They did.
They did because it was PROFITABLE.

One guy i seen on CNN said it was easy his firm made over a billion dollars over night.. and much more.

You bet your damn ass there is a bubble.
And i know people who got burned on the one we had in crypto in 2013 too.
But this place is full of happy greedy willing participants they will not be bothered by the turd in the punch bowl chanting DOOM.

I am not amused when i have to pay pretty much double for everything in society when financial pundits warned ever since '08 the fix Greenspan and then Bernanke put in place was nothing but a band-aid.. a larger crash is possibly coming and no a broken and fucked up inflated Bitcoin will NOT be taking over if the dollar collapses.
It can't.. it's broken.

GREED RULES and you all love it and chant NO REGULATIONS like pigs.
Problem is the consequences flow around the globe for all to deal with.
Yes a bubble is a bad thing guys.. not something to celebrate.
It's warning.

You all are mostly noobs with no experience or grasp of the context of traditional economies or crypto.
You are blind and dumb and lambs led to the slaughter ..that carrot on the stick will lead you right off the fucking cliff.
Seriously how the bloody hell are the worlds biggest and most popular companies with a tiny fraction of a scam coin called Ethereum let alone fucking Bitcoin at 8 grand ?
Do you all fathom how utterly retarded that is ?
"Investment" ? I'd sooner invest in Alphabet inc (Google) or Microsoft etc than this inflated idiotic bullshit.

For fuck sake's Microsoft's stock price is worth $83
And Bitcoin is worth $8,000.00 ?
Are you idiots fucking high or what ?
Bitcoin is broken and unregulated.
Like in '08 there will be no bail outs when you get burned investards.

..how quickly people forget Roll Eyes

EDIT:
By the way, Hitler got elected because the US's economy crashed.
He tried unsuccessfully for close to a decade to get elected before that and failed.
When times were good no one wanted his brand of Trump'esque soap box anger.
As soon as the depression the US bankers created crossed the sea it was game on !
You reap what you sow.

Great piece

And I love your word "Investard"
366  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin: This time it is different on: November 25, 2017, 08:54:35 AM
A vast number of people in here keep claiming that the pricing of Bitcoin is something new.

With Bitcoin and the blockchain the old rules of economy no longer applies

Basically that this time it is different.

Sounds great - but it is not true.

Here is a solid well-researched book that looks at the developments in economy over the last 800 years.

A lot of radical and disruptive innovations came during these 800 years

But the conclusion is simple: From the economic side it is never different.

So Bitcoin, like any other disruptive invention in the past 800 years will undergo an initial bubble of irrationality, then crash

https://www.amazon.com/This-Time-Different-Centuries-Financial/dp/0691152640



367  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Meteoric rise of Bitcoin on: November 25, 2017, 08:49:26 AM
Bitcoin's capitalization reached $ 100 million at the time I started investing. It's a lot bigger now. But it's pretty modest. Much of the capital is poured into it

Can you elaborate on how the word "modest" matches the development shown?
368  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Meteoric rise of Bitcoin on: November 25, 2017, 08:43:12 AM
Look at this and tell me Bitcoin is not a bubble

369  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Price of Bitcoin explained by economic theory on: November 25, 2017, 08:37:08 AM
Looks like there are a lot of fools out there.  Just checked on coinmarketcap.com and it seems that 92 out of the top 100 crypto coins and tokens are raising in price. It looks like a mass phenomenon.

This is scary because there is no differentiation made between coins. This bubbling of the whole market is bad for bitcoin and will lead to a massive profit taking sell-off.

Agree
370  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / 1000 hard forks in 2018 on: November 25, 2017, 08:36:40 AM
Hard forks is now replacing ICOs as a way to raise funds

In 2017 there have been more than 1000 ICOs

This means that in 2018 we could see more than 1000 hard forks - creating chaos

https://cointelegraph.com/news/developers-begin-turning-to-hard-forks-for-fundraising-rather-than-icos

371  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Price of Bitcoin explained by economic theory on: November 25, 2017, 08:20:38 AM
For any investors out there looking for the economic theory proving the current price of Bitcoin, that is very simple to find.

In short: The greater fool theory states that the price of an object is determined not by its intrinsic value, but rather by irrational beliefs and expectations of market participants. A price can be justified by a rational buyer under the belief that another party is willing to pay an even higher price. In other words, one may pay a price that seems "foolishly" high because one may rationally have the expectation that the item can be resold to a "greater fool" later.

You can see it here: http://www.investorglossary.com/greater-fool-theory.htm

For the investors in here - are you the fool or are you the greater fool ?

372  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Amazon has it. Tesla has it. Apple had it. on: November 25, 2017, 08:13:27 AM
Did the OP create his account just to hate on bitcoin, then his on the wrong forum. His posts are just full of hate and self-righteousness. If you really understand how being decentralized made bitcoin survive and become successful, then you wouldn't make such stupid arguments.

Another sure sign of a price bubble fuelled by blindness. Everytime a market sees a large number of "investors" blindly promoting how a price can only increase - and where facts and rational analysis is blindly dismissed as "hate" - then everytime we always see this end in a spectacular crash
373  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: HODL: You have to wait 30 years for your money on: November 25, 2017, 08:10:28 AM
[...]

If you bought in 1929 just before the downturn you had to HODL for 30 years until the price was back where you bought it

If you bought in 1966 just before the downturn you also had to HODL for 30 years until the price was back where you bought it

Don't believe it? see for yourself: http://www.macrotrends.net/1319/dow-jones-100-year-historical-chart

[...]

You're reading the chart wrong.

1) You used inflation adjusted prices which utterly inflates the recovery time and actually shows how much fiat -- not stocks -- lost in value during your given timeframes. Ignoring inflation you get a recovery times from 1929 - 1954 and 1965 - 1972. Not nearly as dramatic as you make it seem. And the first timeframe included a world war.

2) You're ignoring dividends. Crypto doesn't have them, but you can't assess stock prices without looking at dividends as well. Accounting for dividends aforementioned recovery times shorten even more.

gg

My god you don't understand inflation do you?

Taking inflation into account makes the payback time much longer.

Buying at - for example - 1000$ in 1929 and then getting 1000$ back in 1959 is still a de-facto loss due to inflation as the same 1000$ is worth less in 1959

and much much worse for the period 1966-1996 which includes the period in the 1970s of very high inflation

374  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / HODL: You have to wait 30 years for your money on: November 24, 2017, 04:07:18 PM
For all of those you like to say HODL.

If you wait long enough it will bounce back.

As an example look at the Dow Jones stock index.

If you bought in 1929 just before the downturn you had to HODL for 30 years until the price was back where you bought it

If you bought in 1966 just before the downturn you also had to HODL for 30 years until the price was back where you bought it

Don't believe it? see for yourself: http://www.macrotrends.net/1319/dow-jones-100-year-historical-chart

Are you willing to HODL when the price goes down and risk having to wait 30 years to get back up?

375  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin loses 20% in an hour on: November 24, 2017, 01:42:40 PM
...and then another 20% in the next hour.... after 2 hours we move below 5000 .... and still going down...passing 3000

At which point do you plan on bailing out?

Any rational investor has a stop-loss strategy. It can be different dependent on risk appetite, but is must be there if one is a rational investor.

As a matter of gauging risk-appetite, what is your stop-loss strategy?

376  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin has lost 55% of its value on: November 24, 2017, 11:17:52 AM
Bitcoin currently has a marketcap of 135 bn$. But the whole collection of cryptocurrencies has a marketcap of 300 bn$. ( https://cryptocoincharts.info/coins/info )

If no-one had been able to create any other coins, Bitcoin would therefore have had a value of 300bn$, but is only at 135bn$.

This is a 55% drop in value

This is because it is easy to create more cryptocurrencies.

Value is not created out of thin air - everytime a new crypto is launched it drains away value from the other cryptos including from Bitcoin.

The loss until now is 55% and with a rapid increase in the amount of cryptos generated, both on their own and from forking Bitcoin, the inflation and degradation of value will continue
377  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Hero member agrees Bitcoin creates inflation on: November 24, 2017, 11:00:30 AM
From a different thread:


In the modern day, most money is created by retail banks when they give out loans.  This is confirmed by England's central bank (the Bank of England) in their statement on the topic here


Exactly. Retail banks "create" money out of thin air which causes inflation.

And with Bitcoin, this is the identical same thing.

Bitcoin forks and creates more money out of thin air. Alt coins are created generating money out of thin air.

There is no difference between Bitcoin and the retail banks.
378  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is an altcoin on: November 24, 2017, 08:00:00 AM
It really doesn't matter. Bitcoin is a kind of Crypto currency and altcoin is another type of a cryptocurrency. But BITCOIN IS NOT AN ALTCOIN because there's a huge difference.

You need to shout because you have no arguments or facts?
379  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Amazon to drop Bitcoin in favor of Ethereum on: November 24, 2017, 06:11:25 AM
It is clear that Amazon is now on a path away from Bitcoin and are securing their own path forward having just bought the domain amazonethereum.com


http://www.scmp.com/tech/e-commerce/article/2118091/amazon-just-bought-three-domain-names-related-cryptocurrency
380  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin is like heroin on: November 24, 2017, 05:58:09 AM
Bitcoin is really like heroin

How do you use Bitcoin?
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