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361  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Bitfury is looking for alpha-testers of first chips! FREE MONEY HERE! on: June 12, 2013, 05:21:25 AM
Has anyone received a confirmation that Bitfury is sending out ASICs to those that he contacted? I have my Pi sitting waiting and a 4 layer board finished and waiting to go to fab. I don't want to send it until I know I'm going to get some chips to test though.

@bitfury: you mentioned the Si5338 in another thread. That clock generator can only go to 250MHz based on the datasheet in SE LVCMOS mode. Have you tested it higher, and if not could you recommend one that could feed 500MHz without using differential clocking?

No idea, but I presume from the lack of update that the chips are still in limbo in the packaging facility (remember they didn't want to ship until the 13th).

No idea either about the shipping status.

intron
362  Local / Biete / Re: [GB] USB ASIC miner - closed and completed on: June 12, 2013, 05:08:40 AM
Hey, mal ne kurze frage zu den Minern:
Schalten die sich ab wenn sie zu heiß werden oder gehen sie kaputt?

ASICs halten 100°C aus. Die gehen nicht so schnell kaputt Wink

Did a small experiment, they won't heat up that much. And a little
fan helps a lot. See the plot of the recorded case temperature:

http://imgur.com/co3Z0uF

intron
363  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Bitfury is looking for alpha-testers of first chips! FREE MONEY HERE! on: June 11, 2013, 05:44:25 PM
I should suggest a quick, low-cost bi-layer and go from there.

yup - let's stick with the KISS principle pls Smiley

The boards went in production today, will show a picture
when they return from the manufacturer.

intron

What power supply do you plan to use for core powering?

Planned to use a 12V input, adjustable output voltage
DC/DC module that is capable of delivering up to 50 A
output current.

Not planning on designing such a power supply now,
would take too much time and effort I think. Or to speak
with Bob Pease: or you'll end up with just plain explosions:-)

intron

364  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Bitfury is looking for alpha-testers of first chips! FREE MONEY HERE! on: June 10, 2013, 09:03:05 PM
I should suggest a quick, low-cost bi-layer and go from there.

yup - let's stick with the KISS principle pls Smiley

The boards went in production today, will show a picture
when they return from the manufacturer.

intron
When are you expecting them back?

As I'm paying for them myself, I orded them with five
day delivery time. In this way the costs are kept low.
This means that with shipping delay they will be back
early next week.

It will be a 2x2 panel, holding four boards.

intron
365  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Bitfury is looking for alpha-testers of first chips! FREE MONEY HERE! on: June 10, 2013, 08:26:10 PM
I should suggest a quick, low-cost bi-layer and go from there.

yup - let's stick with the KISS principle pls Smiley

The boards went in production today, will show a picture
when they return from the manufacturer.

intron
366  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Bitfury is looking for alpha-testers of first chips! FREE MONEY HERE! on: June 09, 2013, 09:50:01 PM
Looks like the board passed the pre-production tests:



intron
367  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Bitfury is looking for alpha-testers of first chips! FREE MONEY HERE! on: June 09, 2013, 03:29:27 PM
Last version of 'Bitfury Test Jig': http://imgur.com/5gb5qJx

Now with M3 mounting holes to fasten it to a heat sink,
1V8 - 3V3 level shifter, test pins for various signals, big
solder tabs for 0V5..0V9 core power connections and
a bit more decoupling.

It's a bi-layer and 1200x1400 mils in size (approx. 30x35 mm).

intron

Nice looking boards, but might it be better to switch to SMT connectors to keep the back flatter?

You are more than correct, but I didn't have them in my library.
And it doesn't look like there is much time for making new shapes
and such.

I thought about masking the bottom with Kapton tape to
prevent shorts with the heat sink.

intron

368  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Bitfury is looking for alpha-testers of first chips! FREE MONEY HERE! on: June 09, 2013, 02:21:36 PM
Last version of 'Bitfury Test Jig': http://imgur.com/5gb5qJx

Now with M3 mounting holes to fasten it to a heat sink,
1V8 - 3V3 level shifter, test pins for various signals, big
solder tabs for 0V5..0V9 core power connections and
a bit more decoupling.

It's a bi-layer and 1200x1400 mils in size (approx. 30x35 mm).

intron
369  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: cooling ASIC USB miner on: June 09, 2013, 01:13:51 PM
so i've recieved my usb keys from friedcat, they work great! but they do get very very hot.. I had a gander and it seems there's a wafer of thermal material and then a solid 3(ish)mm metal plate and that's it for cooling. I've seen pictures around with passive radiators bolted on instead, is this something i should consider?

A small USB powered fan can help a lot. I did a small test today:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229941.new#new

intron
370  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: - USB Block Erupter - Thermal Properties - on: June 09, 2013, 01:10:09 PM
Are you ocing that thing? Can you post cgminer code to it? Is ti true that it can mine with 386Mh/s if properly cooled?

No idea, I'm not OC-ing. This is just normal operation.

intron
371  Bitcoin / Hardware / - USB Block Erupter - Thermal Properties - on: June 09, 2013, 10:59:14 AM
Logged the case temperature of an USB Block Erupter
while hashing both with passive cooling and forced air.
Quite impressive what a little fan can do:

https://i.imgur.com/co3Z0uF.gif

intron
372  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Bitfury is looking for alpha-testers of first chips! FREE MONEY HERE! on: June 09, 2013, 10:38:37 AM
Test PCB layout with all above: http://imgur.com/TPcptbv

I don't have Gerber files, I can just send the CAD files to the
PCB production facility. They can do boards as thin as 0.2 mm.

I don't have partnumbers for the passives yet, could be anything
I guess.

PM me please.

intron

Look - what I think about capacitors... Right in your placement with cross-section and 2 layer PCB (assuming 1.6 mm height):

4.4 mm x 1.6 mm = 7 mm^2 current loop from capacitor to power.

if you put capacitor right below chip - it would be 1.6 x 1.6mm current loop area. Roughly almost 2.8 times better.

Can't say directly inductances involved - but I believe that inductance for 4.4 x 1.6 mm current loop of this kind to be like 1.5 - 4 nH

In case if you put below the chip capacitor - it will have 0.5 - 1.6 nH additional serial inductance.

But - IF YOU USE 4-layer PCB and top layerstack would have say 0.1 mm dielectric - then current loop area would be much much less!

I just don't know your layerstack, but have this in mind - that power and ground layers should be CLOSE to each other, otherwise (if that's 2-layer pcb) - capacitors could live only on BOTTOM. Or PCB should not be thick - distance between layers affects this much.

Yes, I see that. But when bottom layer is kept free from components
the entire board can be mounted on a heat sink. Just like they did with
the Avalon Blades, have a look at the pictures. When you start mounting
stuff on layer bottom you also need a cooling device on top of the
chip. And then you migth end up where BFL is right now: Thermal Problems Galore...Smiley

This board can be bi-layer or 4-layer or whatever is needed.
I should suggest a quick, low-cost bi-layer and go from there.

intron
373  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Bitfury is looking for alpha-testers of first chips! FREE MONEY HERE! on: June 09, 2013, 09:42:26 AM

1. INCLK should be tied to power or ground in case if it is not connected to clock generator. Otherwise if it will be floating, especially near half-voltage - it will case spontaneous oscillations.
   Better to feed it with oscillator, but don't feed less than 100 Mhz, or feed MUCH less than 100 Mhz as you can find bad package resonance.

2. IOVDD is hanging. IOREF is IOVDD/2. should be 1.8V at most (dielectric will likely broke at 2.5 V).

3. OUTCLK is likely would be difficult to send 'off-board', but at least it should be accessible as test-pin, to check if internal oscillator is running.

4. Can you give me gerbers and materials information - I'll check it with tools ?
I need from you layer stack description (i.e. I expect that this is FR4 and 1.6 mm board). I think that's too thick and better to have it thinner, if possible on 0.5 mm at most... but I would like to check.
Also I think that it could need different set of capacitors including smaller ( 0402 ) ones. I would like to check |Z| and see if it is fine or not.

Please give me part number of capacitor that you intended to place there (that say you intially have).

PS. And please treat chips with care - ESD properties are not known!


Test PCB layout with all above:



I don't have Gerber files, I can just send the CAD files to the
PCB production facility. They can do boards as thin as 0.2 mm.

I don't have partnumbers for the passives yet, could be anything
I guess.

PM me please.

intron

374  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Bitfury is looking for alpha-testers of first chips! FREE MONEY HERE! on: June 09, 2013, 08:47:14 AM

Also don't forget about level shifters - i/O is 1.8 V not 3.3 V (!!!).


Are the inputs 3V3 tolerant? This means, can they be fed
directly from a processor that is powered with 3V3? Then
'level shifting' could be no more then inserting a series resistor.

intron

Should not be tolerant according to specs, oxide thickness is good for 2.0 V for long period.. Although it may tolerate 2.5V as well or even 3.3V - that's not recommended by foundry.

There's also ESD-protection diodes that will open and deliver current to IOVDD pin in this case - their Vth is about 0.6-0.7 V.

So if IOVDD is about 1.2 or 1.4 V - then it's safe! If higher - performance and reliability may vary.


Ok, put it in the schematic.

375  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Bitfury is looking for alpha-testers of first chips! FREE MONEY HERE! on: June 09, 2013, 07:40:59 AM

And reading through your posts in this thread I can tell you really know your stuff.  Very much the opposite of BFL.


LOL:) Very much so...

376  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Bitfury is looking for alpha-testers of first chips! FREE MONEY HERE! on: June 09, 2013, 07:38:04 AM

Also don't forget about level shifters - i/O is 1.8 V not 3.3 V (!!!).


Are the inputs 3V3 tolerant? This means, can they be fed
directly from a processor that is powered with 3V3? Then
'level shifting' could be no more then inserting a series resistor.

intron
377  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Bitfury is looking for alpha-testers of first chips! FREE MONEY HERE! on: June 08, 2013, 03:21:06 PM
1. INCLK should be tied to power or ground in case if it is not connected to clock generator. Otherwise if it will be floating, especially near half-voltage - it will case spontaneous oscillations.
   Better to feed it with oscillator, but don't feed less than 100 Mhz, or feed MUCH less than 100 Mhz as you can find bad package resonance.

There is no PLL on board? Feeding many chips with
"not less then 100 MHz" over the entire board can
be quite challenging.

intron
378  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Bitfury is looking for alpha-testers of first chips! FREE MONEY HERE! on: June 08, 2013, 03:18:53 PM
Single chips is quick & dirty. Yes I want more - ideally I would like to see board that is powered with 12 V strings and have no external components (costs) except chips and passive components.
But that won't be simple to get. But that's what I was aiming to actually blow off any other component vendors from bill of materials and do not make bottlenecks with turn-around-times and such with inductors, many power regulators and such.
But this is what again - likely can't be done quicky, only if very lucky and there should be no complex filtering/anti-resonance issue between chips in a string (you see - we now connect CMMINUS, CMQ, CMPLUS to GND).

bitfury,

We designed an ASIC miner called S-HASH, hosting 16 Avalon chips.

See:



Reworking it to new ASICs won't take that long.

Our boards will arrive somewhere this coming week.

intron.
379  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Bitfury is looking for alpha-testers of first chips! FREE MONEY HERE! on: June 08, 2013, 02:51:11 PM
Trying to get my head around the protocol now, questions will come later.

Pff, I'm glad I'm not the only one having a hard time
understanding this here:)
380  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Bitfury is looking for alpha-testers of first chips! FREE MONEY HERE! on: June 08, 2013, 02:39:12 PM
IOVDD - feed it with 1.8 V
--
This is for IO with the processor I guess? Can it be 3V3 also?

INCLK - input clock (in case if internal oscillator not works)
--
What clock frequency?

INMOSI, INSCK - SPI inputs
INMISO - SPI output (to controller)
--
Whats are the word lengths used by the SPI link?
16-bit words? 32-bit word?

Have a test jig almost ready. How can I past images to the forum?

intron

Intron,

try an image hosting site like imgur.com

UPDATE: looking at the pad diagram, it looks to me like IOVDD is to send a logical 1 back as output (1.8V), and logical 0 output is GND.

Thanks. A quick draw of a bitfury test jig can be found here:



intron
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