The noobs are lurking. I'll be bumping this thread indefinitely so that THIS never happens again: Worst advice ever was to buy Dash. I bought some of it before I knew it had a 2million coin instamine scam, so im fucked.
so he's a victim of Trollero FUD....now he bought some Trolleros: whats IRC?
Internet Relay Chat ... something people very much used in the late 90īs and still is in use today.... some may remember the famous QuakeNet from their youth gaming times ( if you are in your 25-40īs  ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_ChatIn addition, to join the Monero irc channel, just use this link -> https://webchat.freenode.net/, set the channel to #monero and you should be good to go! oh ok i get it i tried it, it looks so old though? Is there any more modern looking chatrooms that arent slack. slack sucks its invite only and that ruins adoption ...This is Monero's target market, noobs with 0.1 BTC who they can FUD into believing that Dash "is a scam!!&$^#*!!" when it's the biggest success story in alts. It's not going to make any difference, and I hope this poor guy didn't sell his Dash he bought 2 weeks ago because a lot of people think Dash price is cheap right now. Blocka, you are so delusional. You act like someone from Monero made this thread to fit your narrative that only Monerians think Dash is an instamined scam. I don't know who the OP is, do you? He could be a litecoin fan, he could be a shadowcash fan, she could be a crave fan, she could be someone who abhors instamines--everything you say on this is conjecture until you have some facts to base your accusations on. But none of this changes dash's instamine, now does it-- As for FUD turning Dash into a scam, that's absurd because Evan did that by instaming it and then never relaunching--get it through your thick heads Dashers, THIS INSTAMINE WILL FOLLOW YOU UNTIL THE COIN IS DEAD. So get used to it, or pick a new coin to apologize for Facts unchanged by bashing Monero: --Over 500,000 dash mined in the first hour. --Over 1,500,000 dash mined in the first 8 hours --Over 35% of current supply mined in the first 2 days |
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Smooth, FluffyPony, and other Monero's developer team agenda for 2015 since they can not compete with EVAN coding skills and developing genius ideas
1. Changing our copied GUI wallet color from RED to BLUE.
2. Create once or twice a week a thread about EVAN even though we have starting problems just like every other coin did.
3. We Cry"p"to about it in forums.
4. Wait for another coin like Byte to coin from or actually for Byte to do something new and we change colors maybe?
5. THIS IS IMPORTANT let's all pray that monero investors don't get mad at us and ask for a newer team to actually do some work.
6. Hope their investors don't do what OTOH did and moving on with DASH.
7. Cry"p"to about it in to forums even more when our daily volume is like this in all the exchanges LOL
Monero $ 3,693,219 $ 0.497413 7,424,855 XMR $ 12,107
And still these facts are left unchanged: --over 500,0000 dash mined in the first hour --over 1,500,000 dash mined in the first 8 hours Has bashing Monero changed the facts of Dash's instamine? |
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So besides the fact that over 30% of all Dash in existence currently were instamined in 2 days Are you a dash shill because you keep downplaying their instamine. It's closer to 40% than 30%: Instamine: 2 million Current supply (via coinmarket cap): 5,333,827 DASH Instamine percentage: 37.496529227513% Well it is not as bad as the Bytecoin pre-mine / ninja-mine at over 80%. "It makes him feel better by not making reference to the max coin supply which would reduce the impact of the dramatization to ~10%." The impact is today and the vote you mention was likely skewed in favor of the instaminers, so that is why it matters--it's called unfair distribution of power and one of the reasons cryptocurrencies were created was to prevent this type of behavior, but profiteers and scam artist got that part confused. "Or to make reference to the original coin supply which was 84m, making the claims of foul play little more than 2%". There is no original coin supply if you change the coins parameters--this is called breaking the social contract. Another thing profiteers and scam artist have gotten wrong when making a cryptocurrency. "I seem to remember Evan asking the community if they wanted to change the maxcoin supply from 84m to ~22m. And everyone voted yes." See above you ignorant fool. "I also seem to remember Monero community discussing and voting for changes to emissions and coin supply, more than once. Monero voted no. But what if there was a yes vote?" They had a 100% vote to not change the social contract for the very reason that I stated, so maybe if they had done everything else mentioned wrong too, we could compare them equally--but they got it right, so who gives a flying fuck? It's very easy to use faulty logic and to change comparative numbers to skew an argument and to defend scammy coins--you are very good at that. |
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Still trying to brush the truth of Dash's instamine by projecting Evan's scamminess onto another coin.  Keeping posting a meme of your cheap tactic--smart people will see it for what it really is quickly enough.  |
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10 more votes and 75.4% think Evan instamined dash on purpose (up from a day ago)--the comparing marketcap talk is like bringing up NWA's record sales on a "Are the guys from Milli Vanilli ashamed for not singing their own songs?" thread.
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I also bet that Satoshi was a NSA agent and shill account, who conviently left right after Gavin Anderson went to have that meeting with the CIA. Stop trolling.
And that's why I respect the way that the Monero team conducted their scam. Plausible deniability. Honestly, I'd prefer if it went the way I think it went. Otherwise, it just shows incompetence on the part of the Monero team. "We don't like the Bytecoin scam, so we'll just take over a copy/paste clone without vetting its code!" Genius! I love how you assume something is fact because it's how you want it to have happened--do you still believe in Santa Clause because you want to believe rich kids get better gifts because poor kids are inherently worse? Or was naughty rewarded and nice punished when you skewed the story in your mind? |
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I love how this tard just keeps re-posting this meme without realizing that it looks like a dash-shill sweeping the truth of the dash instamine by trying to sweep it under the rug by falsely labeling another coin as a scam without any hard evidence. Still facts: --over 500,000 dash were mined in the first hour. --over 1,500,000 dash were mined in the first 8 hours. Keep projecting your scaminess onto other coins to hide the facts and see how many smart people get fed up and say so. Where are the numbers to back your claims? |
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I like this bit: "When your cryptocurrency is enriching the few for the sake of the rest of us, how is that different that the USD and basic economic configuration today? " So that's almost an exact definition of a crippled miner launch, where the devs enrich themselves over and above that of the miners. Which is what happened in Monero's case: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1034864.msg11264770#msg11264770Second, that article is a year old and the author says: NOTE: Mining of coins is ONLY ONE ASPECT OF A COIN. then where he says: Hopefully one can see after reading this article that coins like Novacoin, Goldcoin, Blackcoin, Darkcoin, etc are obviously bad investments.Now year later the dev is still there and 'Darkcoin' is the top alt after LTC...wheras Nova, Gold, Black all gone. So he was right about some coins...And when everyone admits that dash was instamined, that the masternode incentive package encourages masternode operators to attack other mastenodes to gain the most profit, when everyone realizes that masternodes are centralizing in nature and have no business in a cryptosystem, then you'll get your race to the bottom and devtome's analysis proving correct--in the meantime keep distracting everyone of your coin's awfulness like a backstreetboy pointing to record sales and how many tone-deaf twelve-year-olds send them fan-mail. |
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v I love this meme! ^It's Coins101 trying to sweep the truth of Dash's instamine under the rug of his first-thing-ever-proven-by-mere-supposition-Monero-scam. I'm calling it Coin's101 Freudian rug. Now, that other fiction Adam quoted of Coins 101 is horrendous and should be burned or buried; it reads like a forty-year-old's attempt at juvenile fantasy after his first "How to write fiction" class at the local Muny--at least wait till second semester before forcing us to read what would be the porn equivalent of a collection fluffer on fluffer outtakes.* *Thankfully AFAIK fluffer on fluffer porn doesn't exist. And it shouldn't--so please don't anyone make this, ever. |
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Prosperity, Smooth etc: I don't remember your real life names? Again... So if you can back your words with your REAL identity we can LISTEN. Also your little "vote" is just that, little. Only 77 "votes" you got for your side? ahahah...
Actually, it's 89 (74.2%) that believe the instamine was on purpose--with only 12 of those votes believing Evan probably regrets it. So..... Not sure why you need names to verify opinions, facts, or math , Azzaz. |
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I'm so obsessed with Monero that I spam off-topic about it constantly on threads about Dash
Why are you so obsessed with Monero? Or maybe, it's just a (transparent) confusion and obfuscation technique since you can't actually defend Dash. Is it true ? Looks like the verdict is in:  /thread If you look at the meme he's posting it's of a dasher trying to hide the truth of Evan's scaminess under the rug of labeling Monero a scam by using supposition posed as evidence. That's what a psychologist would call a Freudian rug. |
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And despite the wall of noise two facts remain:
1. Over 500,000 coins were mined in the first hour.
2. Over 1,500,000 coins were mined in the first 8 hours.
^This we know, this can't be disputed, this can't be manipulated into another coin's problem, Evan did this whether it benefited him most or another most, he chose not to relaunch (hence while we're still talking about it), he chose to change the name three times and add fuel to cover-up fire, he chose to change the distribution, so start disproving with facts and stop projecting your crappy coin policies onto every dev willing to criticize an obvious instamine.
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.....but it could easily have been relaunched/halted after just a few hours...... which is totally different from proposing relaunching something after 2 weeks with an active community and a lot of BTC already traded for it....
It is very convenient to say one dev should have relaunched, when you should have done the same thing with the Proven Monero Scam Launch, but you decided not to: I say we wait and see what happens over the next week or two. I'm pretty sure you are right about shitcoin central, no matter what we do here.
Maybe you missed my question.  Do you have numbers to back your claim or is supposition enough for you? Coins101, I'm still waiting ^ |
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.....but it could easily have been relaunched/halted after just a few hours...... which is totally different from proposing relaunching something after 2 weeks with an active community and a lot of BTC already traded for it....
It is very convenient to say one dev should have relaunched, when you should have done the same thing with the Proven Monero Scam Launch, but you decided not to: I say we wait and see what happens over the next week or two. I'm pretty sure you are right about shitcoin central, no matter what we do here.
Maybe you missed my question. Do you have numbers to back your claim or is supposition enough for you? |
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*****PLOT TWIST ALERT****
We, well. So now the Proven Monero Scam Launch (tm), was a scam launch, but it just wasn't that bad of a scam.
Oh, my. This Proven Monero Scam Launch (tm) is the gift that just keeps giving, still.
Do you have numbers to back your claim or is supposition enough for you? |
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But lets get back to Monero: what would you suggest as a good way to keep Monero held and have a good long-term ROI? I'd like a XMR derivative fund, but only if Risto was the custodian.
I think a prediction market is very good. If we are betting on an event that occurs next year, we both need to send XMR to the market and it's held there for a year. That fits the bill exactly. But BTC prediction markets are already well-entrenched. I don't think it would be hard to create a market like that. Here's a simple model where users create their own bets and are in charge of the payouts, time-length, and rules: https://www.betmoose.com/bets In full-disclosure I'm head of MMA promotions and marketing for the site--still don't know how or why. Why couldn't we have something similar dedicated to Monero? |
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So my simple question to Brilliant Rocket is this, "If another coin is offering a better incentive for operating a masternode and the price starts rising exponentially, will xdarkdashians hold out of loyalty or move to where the most profit is?
And I swear I'm not trying to convince myself to buy crave or other centralizing node junk. I'm just pointing out a very likely scenario.
I do agree that services that reward people for holding are a good idea, I just don't think we should be using flawed models as inspiration.
Why does it have to be one or the other? I've looked into other coins with masternodes, but haven't found any that I've liked. If in the future someone uses masternodes to do something interesting and useful, I'd consider buying in. Yes, the masternode system does create a perverse incentive for node operators to attack each other, as Fluffypony pointed out, but I somehow doubt that this will manifest on a large scale. It doesn't have to be one or the other, but people will most likely see one that is superior in ROI and start using it which will increase the price which will increase ROI which will increase the price.... I predict that (and please save this) more and more masternode coins will come out and we will have the same lemmingesque jumping from coin to coin as we do with P&D at the moment. Reasons: people like profit, people get bored, people like the new, the innovative, the catch phrase, the shinier apple with the smaller worm inside, the next great rush.... Somehow doubting is not a convincing argument. I somehow doubted anyone would want follow anyone on twitter, but in hindsight I missed the obvious business and media implications along with famous people using it as a fanboy gathering device (the latter I still think need their own lives, but whatever). I may be wrong, but that seems like the biggest threat to the current market of dash--if it ever gets to Bitcoin status, it will have a whole other set of problems courtesy of LEAs, the media (that's a ponzi label that can stick courtesy of amway nodes) and the flawed economic model that Artic Mine so eloquently pointed out. But lets get back to Monero: what would you suggest as a good way to keep Monero held and have a good long-term ROI? I'd like a XMR derivative fund, but only if Risto was the custodian. |
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XPOST: 1) Dash's developer, Evan Duffield, released Dash before it's intended release date(Which means the instamine could also be partly counted as a premine)
Exactly. The coins which were mined previous to the announced release date are obviously premined, whether or not they were included in the genesis block. ^this makes the most sense. If I hold an election and votes cast in the first hours are worth more than votes cast afterwords, the vote would always have an asterisk next to it in the history books if the election date was moved up in the middle of the night and/or only those with rare credentials or at the right location were able to vote. |
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