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3661  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pro-Big Government Candidates for US President 2016 on: February 02, 2015, 03:21:57 PM
I should add, I'm not trying to torpedo your thread, I guess my intent was just to inject a little more realism into the expectations for him. I like Paul more than any other candidate running in the two main parties. Just the expectations I see people make on his behalf about how he's going to accomplish things no president has done before makes me uncomfortable. They just don't appear reasonable expectations to me. But I hope Paul gets the republican nomination, because there's no one else who deserves it.
3662  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pro-Big Government Candidates for US President 2016 on: February 02, 2015, 03:08:23 PM

This is very optimistic. No president slashes spending. Ever. To believe they would is fantasy, imo. And as presidents don't really have the power to create jobs (short of big government programs that directly employ people) and have never been particularly successful at fostering economic environments that do with any certainty, expecting Paul to magically succeed where no one before him has reliably been able to do so is expecting a lot of magic from one man. (The failure of trickle down economics to deliver on the promises made for it is pretty convincing at this point.)

I've seen this level of hype before, and I've seen how disastrously that man delivered on his promises. I have no reason to expect Paul is different from every other politician. After all, he belongs to one of the two parties that run this country. These guys may have slightly different flavors here and there, but at the root, they're all the same.
The difference here is there is no comparison between Obama and Paul. There's two diametrically opposed ideologies where one is to fundamentally change America and this is what we've come to see in terms of the expansion and powers of government and the other is a true to form libertarian populist mentality of paring back govt to reasonable levels at minimum. I agree that most republicans haven't been trustworthy in terms of being true fiscal conservatives but that's the difference between run of the mill republicans and those of the libertarian brand which we've come to see more of in different parts of the country and Reps like Amash and Massie. Over and above the fact that Rand is a Paul, his voting record pretty much speaks for itself in libertarian terms. I'm just trying to help him get the nomination and then let the people decide between their choices and then so be it. If he's the head of the party by being at the top of the ticket, all other republicans running will have to push for and defend the way Rand positions himself and the rest of the party, for that matter, on the issues. Note how Obama had his majority leader line up the votes to pass things he wanted when he had the chance. Anyways, I shot my own self in the foot for getting into Rand Paul in this thread when I already showcase him in my other thread.

This thread is reserved for candidates that are running (or might run) in the two major parties for the upcoming primaries on either side and I get to deem who fits here and who doesn't. Not trying to be a jerk but Rand Paul would be showcased in this thread if he didn't have the dynamics as a person that he has including his voting record and the issues he champions, all or most of which are pro-liberty.

I'm not talking about the specific ideology, but the pattern of making grand promises of radical change they can't possibly deliver on by virtue of being part of one of the two parties requisite to achieve power in the first place, which will lock them into an inability to deliver on their promises. Notwithstanding the specifics of their ideologies, both have promised the same thing: radical change from how things are currently done, independence from special interests, etc. These things cannot be changed by one person who hopes to be reelected. You view everyone as having to change if Paul is elected to match his rhetoric, but it's far more probable Paul has to change to match the other 99% of the rhetoric, and he will because he's a politician with his own self-interest (reelection) at heart. The pattern is the same as Obama's presidential run, the 'outsider' against an out-of-control government. I'm not expecting a magic different result though this time.

Rand Paul has my vote for the primary, without question, because there's no one else worth voting for on either side. (I live in a state where you can only vote on one side, which is dumb.) But in the general election, I'll be back to someone who more closely represents libertarianism in Gary Johnson.
3663  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bill Gates Calls for ‘Global Government’ on: February 02, 2015, 02:49:24 PM
I've never understood the opposition to a global government. It always seems to come from conspiracy theorists that lack critical thinking skills. What are we suppose to do? Never become united? Remain separate entities constantly vying and warring for territory and power? Does that really sound like the intelligent thing to do?

It's not about intelligence, it's a lack of an ability to root out qualities that are innate to human beings. Europe can't even unite itself for economic gain. They tried, and there are still all the individuals countries bickering over which group of deadbeats is sinking the Euro. Tribalism is inherent to humanity, and people you don't identify with will always be outsiders and a threat to your "tribe." You will never defeat this, and therefore will never unify under one government, because it would require people to sacrifice their tribal/national identities to some sense of a greater cause, and people are reluctant to do this on a small scale. Forget the global scale.
3664  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Beijing smog makes city unliveable, says mayor on: February 02, 2015, 01:59:59 AM
Norilsk, Russia Shocked



Note the clear view of sky and horizon in this picture.  In Beijing you will never see those things. 

Only because the picture is taken from high up, above all the low lying smog. Just look at the bottom and imagine what it looks like from there. Far worse.

cant believe that people actually live there.. amazing
i think i would move to another city/country asap if i was the one living there..

It's probably likely that if you live in a city like this, you don't have the means to relocate, because who would tolerate this willingly?
3665  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Death Of The American Dream In 22 Numbers on: February 02, 2015, 01:54:14 AM
Enlightening.
People outside the US still believe in the American dream.
They think immigrating to the US is a ticket out of poverty.
It used to be but bringing one's family here and only being able to get a job (if you're lucky) at or just above the minimum wage range will keep you living in poverty and amongst drug infested communities. If you come here to hop on to government services then shame on you cause we're the most broke country in the history of the world and it can't last forever.

Most immigrants who come here do so to work because they live in areas where lack of work is the cause of their poverty and there is no government safety net to keep them fed. There is a 1:1 correlation between working and not starving in their lives and work is the only means of not starving. The notion that immigrants come here for government handouts is largely a republican fiction. In more places than not on this planet, an immigrant coming here and making minimum wage would give be a dramatic improvement compared to the poverty they're used to. Immigrants believe in the American dream because it exists for them, and everything they've seen in life confirms the notion that you get what you work for, they're just looking for the opportunity to work.
3666  Other / Politics & Society / Re: THE NEW RAPE RULES WHICH WILL INFANTILISE WOMEN AND CRIMINALISE INNOCENT MEN on: February 02, 2015, 12:23:17 AM
Call ME old fashioned, but I consider a marriage certificate (or its equivalent) an eternal consent form. (At least until death or divorce do you part.)

You say that as your defense in court, and I'll vote to convict on a charge of rape, no question. That's an indefensible attitude.
3667  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bill Gates Calls for ‘Global Government’ on: February 02, 2015, 12:12:39 AM
I know Gates is incredibly successful, but what makes him think that his success in business and computers makes him qualified to be the authority on what type of world government the planet needs? America is a pretty diverse place, with 300 million citizens, and look at the level of disagreement and political vitriol that exists here. How much more dysfunctional do you think a world government representing 7 billion people would be, where the majority of government on the planet has corruption as a central tenet of its existence? I think it's so unworkable that not only will it never be possible in our lifetime, but it will never be possible PERIOD.
3668  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Conservative Bigots Heckle Muslim Americans Attempting to Sing National Anthem on: February 01, 2015, 05:31:39 AM
And here's one of the counter protesters not interfering with the event to spread her very unbigoted message:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpuhYSyb8yY
3669  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Conservative Bigots Heckle Muslim Americans Attempting to Sing National Anthem on: February 01, 2015, 05:21:08 AM
Any group of Muslims is welcome to come to the Texas Capitol and do whatever they want, and if they start by emphasizing sincerely that they do not support violence, I am certain that even groups that came there to protest would be very impressed.

Nothing more American than gathering to sing the national anthem and talk about getting more people involved in government. The Christian bigots there were determined to not let that happen. Your certainty that a group of bigots would keep an open mind is unconvincing. The picture of the crusaders says it all:



What a fine group of open-minded individuals these must be!
Hmm....

Are you implying that this was not a LEGAL counter protest?  It doesn't matter what their signs say, actually I find them somewhat funny.

Your argument is full of exaggeration and innuendo, isn't it?

The Christian bigots
a group of bigots
picture of the crusaders


The simple fact is that CAIR, a known terrorist organization, organized an event at the Texas Capitol and they got called on it, in a counter protest.  The signs are actually kind of funny-

radical islam is the new nazi
us border -you are entering a sharia free zone
go home and take obama with you


Nobody was arrested, so I'm not seeing any significant interference existed.  

Unless you are also going to suggest the Capitol police were in on the conspiracy?

1) Never implied anything about illegal counter protest; the counter protest is perfectly legal I'm assuming on the basis that no protest should ever be illegal. I'm just remarking on the disgrace of a bunch of bigots who are proud of how bigoted they are.
2) These people aren't protesting CAIR. They're protesting Muslims. The signs make it plain exactly who their target is, and why they're protesting. Note the total lack of mentions of CAIR, in fact, I'd be surprised if any of those yokels pictured even know what CAIR stands for. They're just proud to be there doing the lord's work of yelling at people with a different god than them.
3) Apparently in your world, the interference of an event is only evidenced by arrests. How drole!
4) My argument is full of innuendo, yes, and plenty of judgment. But exaggeration, no. Bigots gonna bigot, and I'm gonna call them on it, because they're a disgrace to this country. But you're perfectly free to continue defending the bottom feeders as noble folk. After all, if they didn't have the admiration of like-minded folks somewhere, they might be shamed into being decent, or at least quiet.

The simple fact is that CAIR, a commonly alleged terrorist organization by conservative and christian groups, organized an event at the Texas Capitol, which sparked a counter protest by christian and conservative activists.
FTFY

Btw, the signs are funny, but probably not in the way you think, and more of a I can't believe there are actually people who are so misguided kinda way. That woman on the right... classic conservative!

3670  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pro-Big Government Candidates for US President 2016 on: February 01, 2015, 04:55:40 AM
"Pro-Big Government Candidates for US President 2016"

What else is new?

It doesn't matter who you vote for, the result is the same. The same way a pyramid has a left and right side, both of these apparently opposing sides lead to the same point at the top. I honestly don't see how this hasn't become glaringly apparent to everyone when Barack Obama of the Democratic Party succeeded George W. Bush of the Republican Party, yet there was verily no change in government policies as was promised by Barack Obama's clever campaign slogan. If anything he stepped things up a notch, but you can't even call that change, since that's really just maintaining the status quo.

This is essentially why I'm not excited by the prospect of Rand Paul winning, as many people are in this forum. Because nothing will change, and he'll do all the things necessary to get re-elected and keep his party in power, not any of the things he's talking about right now.
Under a Paul admin, he'd be much more reserved in how the troops would be committed overseas and would actually have Congress declare war and make the people be united behind it rather than just the military industrial complex interests.

There was every reason to expect this from Obama too. These were his main criticisms against Bush, and the area he spoke most forcefully as a senator and candidate. The parallels to Paul are uncanny. I have no confidence Paul would be any more true to his word than Obama was. Promises give way to political considerations once elected. His word will be meaningless, what will matter is keeping power; the same concessions Obama made, with his integrity the victim. Fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice... you get the picture.

Domestically, he would slash govt spending across the board for starters, assuming his party still controlled both chambers of Congress. One of his other big things are economic freedom zones which would jumpstart local economies, provide lasting jobs that are worthwhile and the showcase this success and drive a stake in the heart of big govt/progressivism for the next hundred years. There's plenty that will go in a better direction with him at the helm. W/o him, you can bet your bottom dollar that the US will continue to break down in every category that matters and its imprint on the world won't change.

This is very optimistic. No president slashes spending. Ever. To believe they would is fantasy, imo. And as presidents don't really have the power to create jobs (short of big government programs that directly employ people) and have never been particularly successful at fostering economic environments that do with any certainty, expecting Paul to magically succeed where no one before him has reliably been able to do so is expecting a lot of magic from one man. (The failure of trickle down economics to deliver on the promises made for it is pretty convincing at this point.)

I've seen this level of hype before, and I've seen how disastrously that man delivered on his promises. I have no reason to expect Paul is different from every other politician. After all, he belongs to one of the two parties that run this country. These guys may have slightly different flavors here and there, but at the root, they're all the same.
3671  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Beijing smog makes city unliveable, says mayor on: February 01, 2015, 02:10:38 AM
I have to believe the pollution is a major obstacle for the economy. In some regards, it's hard to envision China overtaking the the United States as the preeminent economic power when they have such major air quality problems. A great deal of resources will be spent dealing with that problem, and all the related health problems that will come with it. I bet the cancer rates are going to be off the charts in 20 years for residents of Beijing and other polluted cities.
The major obstacle is china is not a democracy country.

No, but the party is not unresponsive to public pressure. Just look at how far they've come in the last 30 years, letting in foreign investment, the ever-constant creep of capitalism, etc. They're still corrupt as hell, but it's much better than it was in the 60's and 70's because they have to be in order to stay in power.
3672  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Cops Going After Kids Shoveling Snow – They Want Their Cut on: February 01, 2015, 02:05:23 AM
Thats because in the UK, the police are unarmed. If they step out of line they get beaten back into line. In the US, some one could be laying face down on the ground handcuffed and get shot in the back for "resisting".

This reminds me of my favorite police meme:



German police are a reminder that police can be armed and not gun-crazy at the same time.
3673  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Cops Going After Kids Shoveling Snow – They Want Their Cut on: February 01, 2015, 01:56:39 AM
IDK... maybe there should be something saying that a proportional tax goes back to the state as for what the state provided to allow the business to operate.  I don't think some kids shoveling snow should get hassled by the man for a side business before they've even come of age.

The state is just giving them a little taste of the rest of their lives. You can never train them too young!
3674  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Taliban are not terrorists, says White House on: February 01, 2015, 01:53:39 AM
They want to subjugate women and force everyone to live by a strict religious code.  Humanity would be degraded if they ruled the world.

I can't tell if you're talking about the Taliban or Republicans.   Cheesy

I'm a laugh riot.
3675  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Conservative Bigots Heckle Muslim Americans Attempting to Sing National Anthem on: February 01, 2015, 01:50:58 AM
Any group of Muslims is welcome to come to the Texas Capitol and do whatever they want, and if they start by emphasizing sincerely that they do not support violence, I am certain that even groups that came there to protest would be very impressed.

Nothing more American than gathering to sing the national anthem and talk about getting more people involved in government. The Christian bigots there were determined to not let that happen. Your certainty that a group of bigots would keep an open mind is unconvincing. The picture of the crusaders says it all:



What a fine group of open-minded individuals these must be!
3676  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Conservative Bigots Heckle Muslim Americans Attempting to Sing National Anthem on: January 30, 2015, 10:31:28 PM
Related:

Republicans need to learn that Muslim and American are not mutually exclusive

In many parts of the United States, if you want to win an election, you need talking points full of misinformation and bigotry towards Muslims to scare the wits out of non-Muslim Americans in to voting for you (and others to fund your campaign). Events in the Middle East simply provide more fuel to an already-raging fire, and convince officials elected to serve all of their constituents that their inappropriate and bigoted comments will not only go unchallenged but will be applauded.

Take, for example, Texas state Representative Molly White’s idea of southern hospitality: as American Muslim Texans descended on Austin for an Annual Capitol Day to celebrate their civic right to free expression, the freshman Republican posted on Facebook:

Most member including myself are back in district. I did leave an Israeli flag on my desk in my office with instructions to staff to ask representative form the Muslim community to renounce Islamic terrorist groups and publicly announce allegiance to America and our laws.

A McCarthy-esque welcome to her Muslim constituents by a right-wing politician is disgusting – but White’s not the only Republican to try to convince the general public that American Muslims are not patriotic, do not integrate into society at large and have no idea how to engage the civic process. She’s just the one most lacking in irony, given that she did so while the Muslim Texans she apparently dislikes were engaging in the civic process.

Texas is home to large pockets of American Muslims, many of whom have lived there for decades. And White earned a rebuke from the speaker of the Texas house, who responded to complaints about her actions by saying that “Legislators have a responsibility to treat all visitors just as we expect to be treated – with dignity and respect.”

Still, White this week joined some more famous Republicans in the “Super Bowl of Bigotry”, all vying for the Vince Lombardi Trophy of the Biggest Islamophobe.

Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal already warned of an extremist Muslim “invasion” and double-downed on the ludicrous and unfounded claims made on Fox News of “no-go zones” where Muslim citizens have supposedly banned Christians from entering. It doesn’t stop there. Potential GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee says President Obama gives “special rights” to Muslims while “stomping all over Christians”.

American Muslims are not asking for special treatment or “special rights”– unless by “special rights” he means unwarranted surveillance, secondary screenings at airports and pre-trial solitary confinement. If so, then on behalf of American Muslims: please revoke those rights. We’re happy to let them go.

Bigotry against American Muslims from inside the Republican party is not a new phenomenon. Beginning in 2010, Islam became a major wedge issue in partisan politics, fueled by Congress members like Allen West, Louie Gohmert, Joe Walsh, Michelle Bachmann (dubbed the “Islamophobia Caucus”) and supported by former House speaker and one-time presidential candidate Newt Gingrich. Politicians across the country have made their careers and gotten campaign donations – and gotten their otherwise unknown mugs on Fox News – by vilifying and spewing hate against Muslims. Although their views once represented a lunatic fringe of their party, Republicans learned to tolerate a certain level of hate from within their ranks rather than marginalizing these politicians’ voices. And now, like cockroaches, they’ve spread out and spawned more.

This vitriolic rhetoric cannot be left unchecked because the sentiments displayed informs policies that directly impact American Muslims (as well as other faith communities). Anti-sharia legislation has been introduced in 32 states, and these unconstitutional laws, which prohibit the free expression of religion, have actually passed in multiple states – including North Carolina, Alabama and Arizona.

Meanwhile, American Muslims continue to build civic and electoral power. From serving on state party committees in California to founding the first-ever Muslim Democratic Club in New York City (dedicated to electing Muslims on all levels of government across the nation, which I co-founded and of which I am currently the president), American Muslims are an emerging political bloc. We are not waiting for validation from bigoted politicians or to pass tests of our allegiance from the likes of White – and we will respond to bigotry, regardless of party affiliation. As the 2016 elections quickly approach, we as voters expect real debates on issues impacting all Americans: the economy, education, healthcare and national security. It is our responsibility to keep elected officials and candidates accountable to all the people they serve; that is how we pledge our allegiance.

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The only reason bigots like this are allowed to serve office is because there is an absence of decent people in their districts who will call out their reprehensible behavior and attitudes. America is better than this, and we deserve to be represented by better than this.
3677  Other / Politics & Society / Conservative Bigots Heckle Muslim Americans Attempting to Sing National Anthem on: January 30, 2015, 10:24:46 PM

Texas rally by Muslims seeking tolerance disrupted by protesters



A rally at the Texas Capitol on Thursday by Muslims seeking religious tolerance was repeatedly disrupted by a small group of protesters who said the state belonged to followers of Jesus Christ and that Muslims should go back to the Middle East.

During opening remarks at the Texas Muslim Capitol Day event, a Christian activist from Michigan grabbed the microphone from the speaker and said: "I proclaim the name of the Lord Jesus Christ over the capitol of Texas. I stand against Islam."

A group of people who described themselves as Christian activists also heckled the group of about 600 who showed up for the rally. The protesters shouted as the Muslim group sang the national anthem and then tried to interrupt speakers calling for religious tolerance.

Some of the protesters shouted: "Go home. You ain't going to be happy here."

There are about half a million Muslims in Texas, according to some estimates, with many being in the state for several generations.

The Texas Department of Public Safety said no arrests were made at the event.

"As soon as I got to the lectern, that woman came and grabbed the microphone out of my hands. It made us feel a little unsafe," said Ruth Nasrullah, a spokeswoman for the Houston branch of the Council of American-Islamic Relations, which helped arrange the event.

Some U.S. Islamic groups have reported stepped-up harassment since deadly attacks by Islamist gunmen at the offices of the French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo and a kosher supermarket in Paris this month.

"This reinforces that rhetoric and propaganda about Muslims is really gaining traction," Nasrullah said.

The Texas Legislature was not in session on Thursday, but one lawmaker, Republican state Representative Molly White, wrote on her Facebook page that she had instructed staff members how to manage any person who came into her office from the rally.

"Ask representatives from the Muslim community to renounce Islamic terrorist groups and publicly announce allegiance to America and our laws. We will see how long they stay in my office," she wrote.

In neighboring Oklahoma, state Representative John Bennett, a Republican, spoke out in January against the Oklahoma chapter of a national Islamic organization, calling on leaders to condemn verses of the Quran.

In September and October, Bennett told media that Islam was a cancer that needed to be "cut out" of America.

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Conservatives, thanks for being a shining example of the karma America puts out into the world.
3678  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pro-Big Government Candidates for US President 2016 on: January 30, 2015, 09:55:09 PM
"Pro-Big Government Candidates for US President 2016"

What else is new?

It doesn't matter who you vote for, the result is the same. The same way a pyramid has a left and right side, both of these apparently opposing sides lead to the same point at the top. I honestly don't see how this hasn't become glaringly apparent to everyone when Barack Obama of the Democratic Party succeeded George W. Bush of the Republican Party, yet there was verily no change in government policies as was promised by Barack Obama's clever campaign slogan. If anything he stepped things up a notch, but you can't even call that change, since that's really just maintaining the status quo.

This is essentially why I'm not excited by the prospect of Rand Paul winning, as many people are in this forum. Because nothing will change, and he'll do all the things necessary to get re-elected and keep his party in power, not any of the things he's talking about right now.
3679  Other / Politics & Society / Taliban are not terrorists, says White House on: January 30, 2015, 09:52:05 PM
Taliban Are Not Terrorists, or So Says the White House
By JONATHAN KARL

They act like terrorists, they regularly kill civilians like terrorists, but the White House does not consider the Afghan Taliban to be a terrorist group.

Semantics aside, the Taliban is suspected in multiple attacks over just the last 48 hours that have killed more than 30 people, including a suicide bombing attack on a funeral in Afghanistan today that killed 16 and wounded 39.

Even so, the White House does not call the Afghan Taliban a terrorist organization, Earnest explained, because they are “different than an organization like al Qaeda that has a much broader global aspiration to carry out acts of violence and acts of terror against Americans and American interests all around the globe.”

The issue has come up because the White House insisted on Wednesday that a prisoner exchange between Jordan and ISIS would be different than the prisoner exchange the United States made last year with the Taliban to gain the release of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.

“Our policy is that we don't pay ransom. We don't give concessions to terrorist organizations,” Deputy Press Secretary Eric Schultz said Wednesday. “This is a longstanding policy that predates this administration. And it's also one that we've communicated to our friends and allies across the world.”

Schultz explained that the exchange the United States made with the Taliban -- releasing five Taliban prisoners from the Guantanamo Bay detention facility in exchange for the release of Sgt. Bergdahl -- was consistent with that policy because the Taliban is an “armed insurgency” and not a terrorist organization.
 
But the Obama administration isn’t entirely consistent on this point.

On one hand, the Afghan Taliban are not on the State Department’s list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations (the Pakistan Taliban is on that last). On the other hand, the Taliban is on the Treasury Department’s list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists, a classification that allows their assets to be frozen.

And even as Earnest was explaining why the Taliban are not terrorists, he slipped, calling them ... “terrorists.”

“We have not ruled out that there would be some situations in which U.S. service members would still carry out operations in self-defense against the Taliban or other terrorists who are operating in Afghanistan,” Earnest said.

No, no, they're not terrorists because one time we did a prisoner exchange with them, and we would never do a prisoner exchange with terrorists. See how foolproof our logic is?

"Armed insurgency" is the arbitrary definition they're calling the Taliban, a distinction from "terrorists." Although, armed insurgets in America would be called domestic terrorists. Armed insurgents in Palestine are called terrorists. It's embarrassing how transparent these lies are, and it's embarrassing further how there are no consequences for peddling these lies.

Oh yeah, and there's this:

3680  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Death Penalty for Drug Smuggler on: January 30, 2015, 07:10:17 PM
Drug laws are like nudity laws. They come from people who think they should decide how I should live. They make no sense at all. That is why I can watch 20 sadistic murders on TV each night while drunk to the point of death. But I can't smoke a harmless weed or see a nipple on TV. It's mind control and the freedom to explore new ideas could lead to change. OMG, not change!

They show nudity on TV in many western (non-US) countries, other than a premium cable channel that is. As far as I can tell, the difference is the Religious Right is absent in those countries to inflict their personal sense of shame and prudishness on an entire nation.
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