Am I ever finding that out! Atheists are some of the most blind, stuck-in-the-mud faithful that I have ever seen.  You still didnt refute anything, are you trying to ignore it? Sounds great. You didn't either. But that's okay, isn't it? After all, this isn't a refuting thread. In keeping within the topic of this this thread, the evidences alluded to at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395 are abundant proof that God exists. The evidence here : https://i.imgur.com/kzZbW.jpg says otherwise Now, now. You know that the chart at your link above, has to do with what one of the religious books says about God. It is in a completely different league than proving whether or not God exists, and you know it. Not one of the religious books, THE RELIGIOUS BOOK. Disproving god is impossible, disproving the bible is possible and if you disprove the bible you disprove the bible god, easy as that I'm not sure - tell me straight out - if you are saying that God exists. Are you saying that? |
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Don't hate Muslims. Pity them. Anyway, Islam hates Muslims way more than anybody else could. How can you say that thing? Are you a muslim. You cannot say Islam hate muslims if you are not a muslim. Sure I can. Didn't you see me do it? To explain again, the only way to make it to Heaven is to believe in the Salvation that Jesus Christ God provided on the cross. Since Islam doesn't believe this, all practicing Muslims are going to Hell. Islam hates Muslims, because if it loved Muslims, it would teach Jesus Christ God salvation so that Muslims could go to Heaven. Yes we can write whatever you want, but also muslims believe in Jesus, Moses, Noah, and all the other prophets so your point is invalid. There isn't difference between muslim and christian people. Even devils believe in all these. But they aren't saved, either. The difference is in what they believe about all the names you listed, and the way in which they believe in God. Since there is difference between every Muslim, and difference between each Christian, there most certainly is difference between Muslims and Christians. |
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personally, i dislike anybody who shoves religion down peoples throat regardless of what religion that may be. i think it's distasteful and arrogant to tell others they are going to hell for not believing what they believe. anybody who believes to know the secrets of life from the beginning to the end and everything in between is foolish. especially if the source of their beliefs come from a book that was created by men.
Part of the reason that we are here, in a forum, is so that we can't shove religion down anybody's throat. It is distasteful trying to save someone drowning in the lake when they want to drown. The hard part is determining if they want to drown, or if they just think they want to drown. Nobody knows the secrets of life from beginning to end, except Jesus. The Bible was created by God and written down by men. |
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Am I ever finding that out! Atheists are some of the most blind, stuck-in-the-mud faithful that I have ever seen. You still didnt refute anything, are you trying to ignore it? Sounds great. You didn't either. But that's okay, isn't it? After all, this isn't a refuting thread. In keeping within the topic of this this thread, the evidences alluded to at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395 are abundant proof that God exists. The evidence here : https://i.imgur.com/kzZbW.jpg says otherwise Now, now. You know that the chart at your link above, has to do with what one of the religious books says about God. It is in a completely different league than proving whether or not God exists, and you know it. |
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Don't hate Muslims. Pity them. Anyway, Islam hates Muslims way more than anybody else could. How can you say that thing? Are you a muslim. You cannot say Islam hate muslims if you are not a muslim. Sure I can. Didn't you see me do it? To explain again, the only way to make it to Heaven is to believe in the Salvation that Jesus Christ God provided on the cross. Since Islam doesn't believe this, all practicing Muslims are going to Hell. Islam hates Muslims, because if it loved Muslims, it would teach Jesus Christ God salvation so that Muslims could go to Heaven. |
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Am I ever finding that out! Atheists are some of the most blind, stuck-in-the-mud faithful that I have ever seen. You still didnt refute anything, are you trying to ignore it? Sounds great. You didn't either. But that's okay, isn't it? After all, this isn't a refuting thread. In keeping within the topic of this this thread, the evidences alluded to at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395 are abundant proof that God exists. |
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This is why I don't go to church. The women are all fugly and know the only way they'll get a man is if God miracles a blind one in to their bed.  And that is more than ever true with all the women's liberation in the English speaking world. Can't trust those women. |
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+1, the old testament could have promoted death instead of forgiveness... oh wait it does! And BADecker still believes in it. The personality of god as you say could also be drastically different between the books that shows the inconsistency in the writing...oh wait it does! And BADecker still believes in it.
Don't be like BADecker.
^The above could literally be in a commercial.
God entirely promotes salvation forgiveness in the Old Testament. The reason that it seems to be revoked in places, is that the people involved entirely deny the salvation forgiveness for themselves. What other choice is there for them in any way? Either you are saved by the only salvation available... God's salvation. Or you are destroyed. The offer of salvation by God is blaring forth to YOU. Yet, like the examples of many of the people of the Old Testament, you seem to be denying it. Wake up and accept. Don't be like they were. Choose salvation. Promotes salvation forgiveness you say:  Oh funny. The Bible is how many pages long? And you promote some little chart? Keep it up. There is no limit to the mercy and grace God will have for you if turn to be on His side. But He won't keep you from pushing yourself away from His mercy and grace forever. Can you refute anything that says there? Then that proves how shitty and evil God is. And it doesnt matter how big the bible is, it shouldnt have anything like that in it. Once again... and again... You cannot reason with faith. BADecker is no different than from the rest of the "faithful" in his denial of acknowledging any reason that may contradict that faith. Am I ever finding that out! Atheists are some of the most blind, stuck-in-the-mud faithful that I have ever seen. |
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+1, the old testament could have promoted death instead of forgiveness... oh wait it does! And BADecker still believes in it. The personality of god as you say could also be drastically different between the books that shows the inconsistency in the writing...oh wait it does! And BADecker still believes in it.
Don't be like BADecker.
^The above could literally be in a commercial.
God entirely promotes salvation forgiveness in the Old Testament. The reason that it seems to be revoked in places, is that the people involved entirely deny the salvation forgiveness for themselves. What other choice is there for them in any way? Either you are saved by the only salvation available... God's salvation. Or you are destroyed. The offer of salvation by God is blaring forth to YOU. Yet, like the examples of many of the people of the Old Testament, you seem to be denying it. Wake up and accept. Don't be like they were. Choose salvation. Promotes salvation forgiveness you say: Oh funny. The Bible is how many pages long? And you promote some little chart? Keep it up. There is no limit to the mercy and grace God will have for you if turn to be on His side. But He won't keep you from pushing yourself away from His mercy and grace forever. |
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What about this:
The drastic alteration of God’s personality is the quintessential biblical contradiction. His attitude goes from that of a vocal, evil, and vengeful god in the Old Testament to a silent, benevolent, and forgiving god in the New Testament. It’s ridiculous to imagine a perfect, eternal being undergoing this 180-degree makeover at some arbitrary and unverifiable point long in the past. The real reason behind this change is the Bible’s allowance of representation by no less than two dozen authors living centuries apart. Since fallible authors void of divine inspiration should have variant perspectives on the nature of God, we should not be surprised when we encounter the anomalous behavior change between the two testaments. Still, this doesn’t explain why people were applying this new personality to the Hebrew god at the start of the Common Era.
The likely answer to this riddle may be related to the life cycle that all ancient religions have undergone. Belief systems must evolve with their followers or face extinction. Perhaps people grew tired of the threats made in the Pentateuch and felt there were no true rewards or consequences for their actions. Out of their desires for change, they may have created the Christian notion of Heaven. By this point, someone obviously grasped the notion that you could catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
As I’ve said many times before, we have conflicting opinions on the omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence of God. Hosea would have us believe that God’s knowledge is limited: “They made princes: and I knew it not” (Hosea 8:4). Pentateuch author J would have us believe that God cannot be everywhere: “And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord” (Genesis 4:16). The author of Hebrews would have us believe that there are some things even God cannot do: “It was impossible for God to lie” (Hebrews 6:18). These passages fly in the face of everything that the Bible and contemporary Christians claim about God’s infinite qualities.
Similarly, an omnipotent creator would have unlimited power. However, consider this ages old question: “Can God make a burrito hot enough that he can’t eat it?” This might seem silly at first, but it demonstrates a fundamental flaw in the existence of an omnipotent being. If he can eat any burrito he makes, he can’t make one hot enough; thus, he’s not omnipotent. If he makes one too hot to eat, he can’t bear the product of his own creation; thus, he’s not omnipotent. As I hope you realize from this illustration, an omnipotent being cannot exist. There can be no power strong enough to make squared circles, duplicated unique items, or any other interesting paradoxes that you can imagine.
What about the human qualities of fury and fatigue? Can God experience these feelings? With the new biblical insight that you should have gained over the past few chapters, it should be immediately obvious that God has the capacity to become quite upset at times. Nahum provides us with a nice example: “God is jealous, and the Lord revengeth; the Lord revengeth, and is furious” (1:2). Even so, Isaiah unambiguously claims that God told him “fury is not in me” (27:4). If fury is not in him, how can he experience fury? Even though it may be superficially obvious that God wouldn’t experience fatigue, it wouldn’t be wise to jump to such a conclusion. According to Jeremiah, God says, “I am weary with repenting” (15:6). According to Isaiah, however, “The everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary” (40:28). Either God can experience fatigue or not. Either God can experience fury or not. Nahum, Isaiah, and Jeremiah simply presented their contrasting, divinely uninspired, human interpretations of their god. In the process, they inevitably end up contradicting one another.
How about those who call out to this mysterious being? Will he always save them? Most Christians believe that God will acknowledge these cries for salvation because most Christians only read the New Testament. After all, Paul proclaims, “whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved” (Romans 10:13). Contrast that statement with the one given by Micah: “Then shall they cry unto the Lord, but he will not hear them” (3:4). In other words, Paul claims that God will save anyone who calls out for the Lord. However, Micah provides a specific situation in which Paul’s unconditional statement wouldn’t apply. Sure, one can try to assert that Paul was referring to the time before judgment while Micah was referring to the time after judgment, but this doesn’t validate Paul’s statement. He plainly tells us that whosoever calls to God will be saved. If we only had Paul’s statement to go on, and we were given the scenario of people crying out to the Lord as described in Micah, we could only assume that God would save them. Such an assumption would be contradictory to what Micah claims. If Paul was simply being careless with his diction, consider what other important information he might have neglected to mention.
This is not a change in God or of God. This is God responding, the same as always, to the changes in people. What do you mean responding? Like he thought killing people was ok back then but now is not? As an example, if you give your son or daughter an instruction to do something, and that there will be a reward for doing it but a punishment for not doing it... ... then, if your child does what you instructed, but stops halfway through and destroys what he or she already did according to your instructions ... ... what are you going to do? Do you reward them for carrying out your instructions, even though it was only partial? Or do you punish them for destroying the good they did do? Who changed? You or your child? Wake up and see that regarding God, God doesn't change. In the case of God, God doesn't have to formally destroy, since it is He that holds you alive. Since you are fighting Him and attempting to execute yourself by pushing away the only life you have, how long before He gives you what you ask for, even though it pains Him to have to do so? |
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+1, the old testament could have promoted death instead of forgiveness... oh wait it does! And BADecker still believes in it. The personality of god as you say could also be drastically different between the books that shows the inconsistency in the writing...oh wait it does! And BADecker still believes in it.
Don't be like BADecker.
^The above could literally be in a commercial.
God entirely promotes salvation forgiveness in the Old Testament. The reason that it seems to be revoked in places, is that the people involved entirely deny the salvation forgiveness for themselves. What other choice is there for them in any way? Either you are saved by the only salvation available... God's salvation. Or you are destroyed. The offer of salvation by God is blaring forth to YOU. Yet, like the examples of many of the people of the Old Testament, you seem to be denying it. Wake up and accept. Don't be like they were. Choose salvation. |
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If the Quran says the sky is blue, even if the sky is blue, it is wrong because it was the Quran that said it, because the Quran is a wrong writing. Oh dear, Quran - "The sky is blue." BADecker - "No, no, no, that's wrong." Bible - "The sky is blue." BADecker - "Yes, yes, yes, that's right." I'm giving up the will to live. Absolutely do not give up. As I said in my previous post above this one, God does not change. People change. Recognize that you are being moved by your own swaying self, and/or by that of the devil's manipulation, even though you seem stable to yourself. Turn to God so that you can remain stable with the stability of the One Who created the heavens and the earth. |
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What about this:
The drastic alteration of God’s personality is the quintessential biblical contradiction. His attitude goes from that of a vocal, evil, and vengeful god in the Old Testament to a silent, benevolent, and forgiving god in the New Testament. It’s ridiculous to imagine a perfect, eternal being undergoing this 180-degree makeover at some arbitrary and unverifiable point long in the past. The real reason behind this change is the Bible’s allowance of representation by no less than two dozen authors living centuries apart. Since fallible authors void of divine inspiration should have variant perspectives on the nature of God, we should not be surprised when we encounter the anomalous behavior change between the two testaments. Still, this doesn’t explain why people were applying this new personality to the Hebrew god at the start of the Common Era.
The likely answer to this riddle may be related to the life cycle that all ancient religions have undergone. Belief systems must evolve with their followers or face extinction. Perhaps people grew tired of the threats made in the Pentateuch and felt there were no true rewards or consequences for their actions. Out of their desires for change, they may have created the Christian notion of Heaven. By this point, someone obviously grasped the notion that you could catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
As I’ve said many times before, we have conflicting opinions on the omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence of God. Hosea would have us believe that God’s knowledge is limited: “They made princes: and I knew it not” (Hosea 8:4). Pentateuch author J would have us believe that God cannot be everywhere: “And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord” (Genesis 4:16). The author of Hebrews would have us believe that there are some things even God cannot do: “It was impossible for God to lie” (Hebrews 6:18). These passages fly in the face of everything that the Bible and contemporary Christians claim about God’s infinite qualities.
Similarly, an omnipotent creator would have unlimited power. However, consider this ages old question: “Can God make a burrito hot enough that he can’t eat it?” This might seem silly at first, but it demonstrates a fundamental flaw in the existence of an omnipotent being. If he can eat any burrito he makes, he can’t make one hot enough; thus, he’s not omnipotent. If he makes one too hot to eat, he can’t bear the product of his own creation; thus, he’s not omnipotent. As I hope you realize from this illustration, an omnipotent being cannot exist. There can be no power strong enough to make squared circles, duplicated unique items, or any other interesting paradoxes that you can imagine.
What about the human qualities of fury and fatigue? Can God experience these feelings? With the new biblical insight that you should have gained over the past few chapters, it should be immediately obvious that God has the capacity to become quite upset at times. Nahum provides us with a nice example: “God is jealous, and the Lord revengeth; the Lord revengeth, and is furious” (1:2). Even so, Isaiah unambiguously claims that God told him “fury is not in me” (27:4). If fury is not in him, how can he experience fury? Even though it may be superficially obvious that God wouldn’t experience fatigue, it wouldn’t be wise to jump to such a conclusion. According to Jeremiah, God says, “I am weary with repenting” (15:6). According to Isaiah, however, “The everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary” (40:28). Either God can experience fatigue or not. Either God can experience fury or not. Nahum, Isaiah, and Jeremiah simply presented their contrasting, divinely uninspired, human interpretations of their god. In the process, they inevitably end up contradicting one another.
How about those who call out to this mysterious being? Will he always save them? Most Christians believe that God will acknowledge these cries for salvation because most Christians only read the New Testament. After all, Paul proclaims, “whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved” (Romans 10:13). Contrast that statement with the one given by Micah: “Then shall they cry unto the Lord, but he will not hear them” (3:4). In other words, Paul claims that God will save anyone who calls out for the Lord. However, Micah provides a specific situation in which Paul’s unconditional statement wouldn’t apply. Sure, one can try to assert that Paul was referring to the time before judgment while Micah was referring to the time after judgment, but this doesn’t validate Paul’s statement. He plainly tells us that whosoever calls to God will be saved. If we only had Paul’s statement to go on, and we were given the scenario of people crying out to the Lord as described in Micah, we could only assume that God would save them. Such an assumption would be contradictory to what Micah claims. If Paul was simply being careless with his diction, consider what other important information he might have neglected to mention.
This is not a change in God or of God. This is God responding, the same as always, to the changes in people. |
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Don't hate Muslims. Pity them. Anyway, Islam hates Muslims way more than anybody else could. |
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I respect people who believes in a religion..
But the moment they tell me that I live my life wrong and I will go to hell and all that crap..
Then I cant take a person serious.
The moon was never split.. It is the remains of earth coliding with another planet.
A person invented algebra, no god did.
A person wrote the Quran, no god did.
If you believe that.. Then fine with me.. Just dont tell me I am wrong when you dont have any proof.
Something that shows scientificly that its 100% correct, with no doubts.
That's a little funny. Why? Even science cannot prove without a doubt that people exist. There simply isn't enough scientific information available to do that. Someday there might be. But I doubt it. |
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The Bible is accurate.
Except the parts in it that are the same as the Quran. Your words, not mine. Since you take it all out of context, and don't even express what context you might be referring to, your interpretation could be anything, and is simply your interpretation. Well obviously your going to try to weasel out of your folly. ...Quran is perfection of mistakes. In other words, it is entire mistake. So if the Quran says the sky is blue, it is wrong in your opinion. If the bible also says the sky is blue, logic says the bible must also be wrong on that part as well. There is no "out of context". If the Quran says the sky is blue, even if the sky is blue, it is wrong because it was the Quran that said it, because the Quran is a wrong writing. |
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If the devil decieves why does God allow it? And they dont teach about God in history class because there is no history about god other than the bible, like literally thats the only ''history'' about god. The only thing i see in your link are philosofical thoughts that can be true or not, until you have evidence and proofs to prove that those thoughts are not only thoughts i will not believe it.
The evolution theory is not just a theory anymore, charles darwin wrote about it but scientists didnt just believe it because it made sense, no. They searched and found evidence (fosils, dna, radiometric dating) and after all that they accepted it, they just didnt believe in it blindly because science doesnt do that. You are doing that.
God allows the devil to deceive because, the whole workings of the universe are different than the exact, point-blank, right now operation which is the way we mostly perceive things. Your glory in the sight of God is greater when you resist the devil. When the times of the end are actually upon us, God will destroy the devil. The evidence of the whole universe shows that God exists - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395. The only history about God that is accurate, other than what we see in the universe, is what is in the Bible. Non-Biblical teachings that seem to be about God may be correct in some areas, but because they are false in other areas, they are not really about God. You are given the freedom, by God, to accept the devil or to accept God. Whatever position of acceptance you die in, you are locked into that position, and will be judged by God regarding it. No scientists have formulated a plausible method that evolution could have worked according to any of the theories or groups of theories, whereby life and the world could have come about through evolution. There are many parts of evolution that work. But there are vast "holes" or "gaps" in the ideas that suggest that the earth and life can come about by evolution. Even if some group came up with a working, plausible, complete evolution system, there is still no way to prove that this was the way that the earth and life actually came into existence. There are too many unseen variables of the past that scientists could never be sure about. The only way they could be sure would be to have a practical, working time-viewer. There are many scientists who interpret things like "fosils, dna, radiometric dating," etc., to show that things are exactly opposite from the ideas presented in evolution. The point is, when the evidence of science is used to suggest things that are not proven conclusively by science, science is starting to become religion. The scientists and propagandists that are proponents of such, are setting themselves up as God or gods, or at least prophets, by making claims that don't have a basis in reality. The Bible is witness reports, backed up by strong traditions of the nation of Israel that the Bible reports are truth. But the Bible is extremely inaccurate see: http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/chapter13.htmlPretty much anything that has to do with science is inaccurate in the bible, like the age of the earth, that the earth is flat etc etc... The Bible is accurate. The Bible is meant to be a general description, not a detailed scientific manual. Simply because we don't understand it shows that we are weak in understanding, not the Bible in accuracy. The power of Moses in the miracles he did shows that he is one who stands in power with God. In the N.T., Moses met with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration. Such is the power of Moses. Pretty much the interpretations that we make out of our scientific examinations of things, is incorrect. When we find our scientific answers using the Bible as our guide, then we understand better both, science and the Bible. And thats evidence that the moses story is just false There are so many assumptions made and inaccurate conclusions drawn by the author(s) of the info at that site, that one could write a book just pointing them out. Couldnt we say the same about your conclusions? Would you like to give us an example of those assumptions made wrong? From http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/chapter13.html, second paragraph: In the case of the Holy Bible, there’s an overwhelming amount of inconsistencies between its covers. However, you must be careful with the plentiful lists found across the Internet and within certain publications because many of the so-called contradictions are justifiably harmonizable. Estimates of these occurrences are often in excess of one thousand, but conservative skeptics offer a number only in the dozens. Most Christians, of course, refuse to budge from zero under the guise of divine inspiration. It all depends on the standards of the context. Various supposed inaccuracies are accurate when taken within the combined, various contexts wherein they exist. However, the accuracy isn't based even on this. It is based on the fact that God "moved" the Bible writers to write what they did, and, therefore it is all accurate, even though we don't understand how it is accurate, or the ways it is accurate even if it seems to be contradictory in some ways. |
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The Bible is accurate.
Except the parts in it that are the same as the Quran. Your words, not mine. Since you take it all out of context, and don't even express what context you might be referring to, your interpretation could be anything, and is simply your interpretation. |
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If the devil decieves why does God allow it? And they dont teach about God in history class because there is no history about god other than the bible, like literally thats the only ''history'' about god. The only thing i see in your link are philosofical thoughts that can be true or not, until you have evidence and proofs to prove that those thoughts are not only thoughts i will not believe it.
The evolution theory is not just a theory anymore, charles darwin wrote about it but scientists didnt just believe it because it made sense, no. They searched and found evidence (fosils, dna, radiometric dating) and after all that they accepted it, they just didnt believe in it blindly because science doesnt do that. You are doing that.
God allows the devil to deceive because, the whole workings of the universe are different than the exact, point-blank, right now operation which is the way we mostly perceive things. Your glory in the sight of God is greater when you resist the devil. When the times of the end are actually upon us, God will destroy the devil. The evidence of the whole universe shows that God exists - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395. The only history about God that is accurate, other than what we see in the universe, is what is in the Bible. Non-Biblical teachings that seem to be about God may be correct in some areas, but because they are false in other areas, they are not really about God. You are given the freedom, by God, to accept the devil or to accept God. Whatever position of acceptance you die in, you are locked into that position, and will be judged by God regarding it. No scientists have formulated a plausible method that evolution could have worked according to any of the theories or groups of theories, whereby life and the world could have come about through evolution. There are many parts of evolution that work. But there are vast "holes" or "gaps" in the ideas that suggest that the earth and life can come about by evolution. Even if some group came up with a working, plausible, complete evolution system, there is still no way to prove that this was the way that the earth and life actually came into existence. There are too many unseen variables of the past that scientists could never be sure about. The only way they could be sure would be to have a practical, working time-viewer. There are many scientists who interpret things like "fosils, dna, radiometric dating," etc., to show that things are exactly opposite from the ideas presented in evolution. The point is, when the evidence of science is used to suggest things that are not proven conclusively by science, science is starting to become religion. The scientists and propagandists that are proponents of such, are setting themselves up as God or gods, or at least prophets, by making claims that don't have a basis in reality. The Bible is witness reports, backed up by strong traditions of the nation of Israel that the Bible reports are truth. But the Bible is extremely inaccurate see: http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/chapter13.htmlPretty much anything that has to do with science is inaccurate in the bible, like the age of the earth, that the earth is flat etc etc... The Bible is accurate. The Bible is meant to be a general description, not a detailed scientific manual. Simply because we don't understand it shows that we are weak in understanding, not the Bible in accuracy. The power of Moses in the miracles he did shows that he is one who stands in power with God. In the N.T., Moses met with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration. Such is the power of Moses. Pretty much the interpretations that we make out of our scientific examinations of things, is incorrect. When we find our scientific answers using the Bible as our guide, then we understand better both, science and the Bible. And thats evidence that the moses story is just false There are so many assumptions made and inaccurate conclusions drawn by the author(s) of the info at that site, that one could write a book just pointing them out. |
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