Yeah that's why he allowed the vegas shooting to happen because he wants us to live surrounded by happiness, do you people even think about the bullshit you spit?

I thought about it, what am I supposed to get from it? A lot of people believe a lot of different things, are all those things real or true? Are all the gods in the world true because a lot of people believe in them? Belief and blind faith does not lead to the truth.

How do you know tho? And most importantly, what created god?

''then that outside universe is God'' No it's not because an universe doesn't have the attributes you just said god needed, like emotion, self-awareness, thought or intelligence and you are just contradicting yourself like you usually do. Yeah, let's stick to the logic, your logic is retarded badecker. You can't even make a post without contradicting yourself rofl.

''God ultimately is beyond science.'' Yeah yeah I heard that many times, so is the other thousands of gods. What is the logic that leads to the conclusion that god is real? That same logic could lead to all kind of different gods not to mention to the other hundreds of possibilities (We live in a computer simulation, aliens from another dimension created this universe, this universe creates and destroys itself in a loop, some other force/process created the universe, etc etc)

There is no evidence for any god just like there is no evidence aliens did, quit the bullshit.

If we don't have evidence for what can make the universe then we don't. You can't say we don't have evidence for what created the universe therefore god did it, do you not see how that makes no sense? I don't know who created this chair therefore my father did.

It leaves room to anything because we don't know what it was, you don't know if a being aware of himself made the universe or if is just another process that happened because outside our universe there are more universes or whatever, we can hypothesize as much as we want but there is no evidence for any of it.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity

2. We already explained you it's a matter of perspective but of course you are dishonest and dismissed it. I will provide photographic evidence for you because otherwise you wont admit being wrong.





Note that the shadows from different clouds are parallel to each other. That’s because the Sun is very far away compared to the distance between the clouds. In fact, the Sun’s shadows are so close to parallel that we cannot measure the difference with sufficient accuracy to estimate the distance to the Sun using this method alone. A more nearby light source would produce shadows that diverge from each other at a more pronounced angle.

3. I would but you don't accept any photos of that so what's the point?

4. http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2010/09/17/but-it-moves-how-we-know-the-e/
Also, again, people knew the earth was moving around the sun thousands of years ago just like they knew the earth wasn't flat. Around 230 b.c., the Greek philosopher Aristarchus suggested that this was the case. He was an outstanding observer and based this idea on careful observations.

With improved telescopes, astronomers started looking for another proof of Earth’s motion around the Sun, stellar parallax. Earth’s orbit is huge — some 186 million miles (300,000 kilometers) in diameter. If an astronomer measures the position of a nearby star, and then measures it again six months later, the star’s apparent position against the background of more distant stars should shift a tiny amount.

Observing this would prove that Earth in fact is not stationary. It wasn’t until 1838 that an astronomer finally detected this shift. That year, German astronomer Friedrich Wilhelm Bessel successfully measured the parallax of the star 61 Cygni.

And there’s yet another proof. Imagine standing still with rain coming straight down. To stay dry, you just hold your umbrella directly over your head. As you begin to walk, however, you need to tilt the umbrella “into” the rain, even though the rain is coming straight down. The faster you walk, the greater the tilt needs to be.

As Earth orbits the Sun, we can detect a “tilt” of incoming starlight. English astronomer James Bradley discovered this phenomenon in 1725 by accident — while he was searching for stellar parallax! This aberration of starlight, as it is called, is a result of light having a finite speed and Earth’s motion around the Sun.

''We have no evidence of anything that can make the complexity and size of the universe.'' You are right badecker we don't, why do you claim you do then?

No they don't. You are just making shit up. Scientists baffled by what? What is the bible accurate on? What started to happen that the bible predicted? Even if it did, how does that prove god? What if there are other books that predicted even more things, does that mean they are true and the bible is not?

I never said I was an atheist, I just don't believe in religious gods because there is no evidence for them. I'm attempting to make people understand and see that their god is not real, he is not helping anyone, innocent victims is not a rare occurrence.

Lol what the fuck? Oh I just checked and he does that all the time, his last posts are all copy paste of other posts.

You are totally dishonest and you know it. Let me ask you again, what proof would you consider valid to prove the earth is round? Since you reject all the millions of photos/videos of earth from space, what exactly do you need as proof?

Problem is, a lot of people believe in a lot of different gods, they can't all be true, belief does not lead to the truth.

Yeah, I know. I already pointed out his miss use of entropy several times and that even if cause and effect is true for everything then god himself couldn't exist because what made god? It's a loop. He wont understand unfortunately.

Maybe, do you have evidence that shows they didn't?

Do you have any evidence that god is real?

Yeah, with the vegas shooting it definitely makes me believe in god, I mean look at that, he saved all those people, OH WAIT. He actually didn't. I find it funny that people would post things like, pray for vegas or god bless the victims, like seriously? God could have prevented all that if he really existed.

Well I was personally curious if they were trolling or actually serious, it's clear at this point that at least notbatman is serious which is fascinating to me. He should be studied by psychologists. It's truly remarkable how he is able to deny reality just so the flat earth theory can fit his ideas. He said a photo taken with a nikon is real and can't be fabricated, I gave him what he asked for and he just didn't accept it. He is just going to keep doing the same thing.

Again, i don't know if you are purposely trying not to understand it or you are just dumb. ''The universe is a closed system. There is always an increase in entropy.'' YES WE AGREE ON THAT. When you are building the house you are increasing the total entropy of the UNIVERSE but the house itself is still more ordered and complex than a pile of wood and nails. Is that so hard to understand?

''The concept of pure random doesn't even fit the universe.'' It doesn't matter if you think it fits or not, what matters is reality and the reality is that we don't know, we don't know whether everything has a cause or not, even if it did your argument fails miserably on answering what caused god, if god doesn't need a cause then the same can be applied to other things.

''If you want to use this kind of thinking, you can throw out almost 100% of any scientific investigation'' Which is what you are doing by assuming it was god?

''Your explanation of "entropy" is based on theories which are essentially guesswork until they are proven.'' No, thats what the 2nd law of thermodynamics says. The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy can only increase over time for an isolated system, meaning a system which neither energy nor matter can enter or leave. The earth is not an isolated system. This means that an increase in order can occur on Earth as long as there is an energy input. If you take a pile of wood and a pile of nails and build a house the wood and nails have become more ordered, but in doing the work required to make the building, the person has generated heat which goes into increasing the overall entropy of the universe.

The idea of a beginning that happens over and over isn't really a beginning except for the first time. You might as well talk about pixie dust. (The point being is that, that could be what's happening therefore no god is needed)

''Cause and effect has been proven in countless universal operations'' It hasn't been proved to exist in every operation therefore making it useless as proof for god, maybe radioactive decay is not random but maybe it is, we don't know, you don't know. No one knows if everything really has a cause.

Oh really? What a surprise you found AFTER I provided the proof that you asked for that nikon and canon systems can be hacked, interesting. This is the problem with you people, we ask you what proof you need, we provide it and then you still don't accept it, what's the point then? There is nothing anyone can do to convince you because you don't want to be convinced.