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3741  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: March 25, 2014, 08:39:11 AM
In Kosovo was real genocide and murders, because of that US ad EU decide to allow independence...
No mass murders and genocide in Crime.... US is the most powerfull country in economy, military and ideology. Russia should be very carefull. Obama is not forever...

I sure hope not, but it does not really matter. It's the same ilk as him that started the genocide of Serbs in Kosovo.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528730.0
3742  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: March 24, 2014, 03:28:45 PM
Not refund yet?
Yes. Month passed since my orders changed status to "Refund ready for process". No refund since February.
Their support only replies "we are extremely busy at the moment".
It is taking them more than a MONTH to send a single bitcoin transaction, LOL.

SCAM

They don't refund in BTC.

I got my refund in USD about a week after I requested it, even though I paid in BTC. That was a month ago, and their customer support was helpful in cordial.
3743  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russia Invades Ukraine. Whats next? on: March 24, 2014, 01:51:29 PM
About the map.

LDPR sent an informal suggestion to the governments of Poland, Romania and Hungary about conducting referendums in the regions of those states that border with Ukraine.

As the said in the press statement, there was no talk about dividing Ukraine, but simply about gauging public opinion in the regions of those states, as well as in the corresponding Ukrainian regions.

http://www.forbes.ru/news/252753-v-ldpr-razyasnili-predlozheniya-zhirinovskogo-granichashchim-s-ukrainoi-stranam
3744  Other / Politics & Society / In memory of the largest genocide in Europe since WWII: 15 year after NATO on: March 24, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
http://rt.com/news/yugoslavia-kosovo-nato-bombing-705/

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Exactly 15 years ago, on March 24, NATO began its 78-day bombing of Yugoslavia. The alliance bypassed the UN under a “humanitarian” pretext, launching aggression that claimed hundreds of civilian lives and caused a much larger catastrophe than it averted.

Years on, Serbia still bears deep scars of the NATO bombings which, as the alliance put it, were aimed at “preventing instability spreading” in Kosovo. Questions remain on the very legality of the offense, which caused casualties and mass destruction in the Balkan republic.

...

Our thoughts and memories go to all people who lost their lives or were driven from their homes by NATO's (North Atlantic Terrorist Organisation) war atrocities.

Zashto? - Why? A video documentary.
http://rt.com/news/yugoslavia-nato-war-documentary-417/

Part 1 of the documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M42BAJAk84

Part 2 of the documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9tX8onPsnM
3745  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 24, 2014, 10:25:16 AM
http://rt.com/politics/russia-asset-freeze-sanctions-897/

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A top Russian lawmaker has revealed he is working on a bill that would freeze the assets of European and American companies operating in Russia in reply to Western economic sanctions.

 The chairman of the upper house committee for constitutional law, Andrey Klishas, is sure that Russia must have an enough leverage to deal with the threat of sanctions coming from foreign countries.A team of lawyers are currently preparing a separate federal bill that would allow the Russian president and government to confiscate foreign owned property in Russia, including assets belonging to private companies, the senator told the RIA Novosti news agency.

The bill is in response to the major political crisis in Ukraine and the threat of sanctions against Russia coming from the USA and other countries.

“All sanctions must be mutual,” Klishas stated.

The senator added that he had no doubts that such a measure was in line with European standards. “We can recall the example of Cyprus where the confiscation was, in essence, one of the conditions for getting aid from European Union.

About time: http://rt.com/politics/obama-nobel-double-standards-813/

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A Russian senator has asked the Nobel Committee to annul the award given to the US President last year claiming Barack Obama’s double standard policy has helped develop the political crisis in Ukraine.
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In November last year two Russian NGOs, Officers of Russia and Soldiers’ Mothers, asked the Nobel Committee to evaluate the information according to which Barack Obama had noted he was ‘very good at killing people’ while discussing drone warfare with his close aides. Russian activists claimed that these words were hardly compatible with the title of a Nobel Peace Prize laureate. They also added that the Peace Prize bestowed on Obama was a sort of 'advance' given in return for promises and press statements made during the previous election campaign, but in reality the deeds of the US leader contradict his earlier rhetoric and this means that the ‘advance’ can be rescinded.
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3746  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 24, 2014, 08:57:43 AM
And here's who wins from the bogus military amassing reports: USA who wants to send military to Ukraine (and so the history of Yugoslavia, Lybia, Iraq, Tunis, Egypt, Vietnam, Afghanistan and many other countries, "helped" by the Us is to repeat itself?)

http://rt.com/usa/republicans-military-equipment-ukraine-729/
3747  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: March 24, 2014, 08:34:12 AM
Situation is typical... 50-70% joins the new government, remaining part resigns or leaves the country...

That means that large number of soldiers from Central Ukraine (esp. Kiev) have also decided to dump their Ukrainian passports. Not a good sign for Tymoshenko and her allies.

I heard reports of soldiers of Crimean origin in the regiments located in Lvov region, who wished to return to Crimea, but were forced to stay at gunpoint.
Could not find any confirmations of them, so I'd be interested in seeing any info about that, either confirming or refuting them.
3748  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 24, 2014, 08:25:30 AM
Russian troops may be massing to invade Ukraine, says White House

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/23/russian-troops-may-invade-ukraine-white-house

<< Blinken: troop buildup on eastern border "deeply concerning". Nato chief: force is "very, very sizeable and very, very ready". >>


Liked this comment:
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Even BBC has shown the people in eastern Ukraine blocking the Ukrainian troops movement towards the border with slogans: "Russians are our friends! Kiev government is our enemy!"

So It would be difficult for Kiev to ask these people not to respond on possible (though very inlikely) Russian military invasion with cheers and flowers.

Why the hell does Russia at all bothers letting foreign military representatives perform inspections on its soil, when the findings are twisted for the public view anyway?

Moscow: No troop build-up or undeclared military activity near Ukraine borders
http://rt.com/news/russia-troops-limit-border-673/



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Russia is observing all international agreements on troop limits in regions bordering Ukraine, the Russian Deputy Defense Minister said, adding that foreign missions’ inspections can confirm that.

The statement was made in response to reports by several foreign media outlets over concentrations of "thousands" of Russian servicemen on the Russian-Ukrainian border.

“By the way this issue has during the last month been regularly raised in telephone conversations between Russia’s Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu, and his foreign counterparts, including US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and even acting Ukrainian Defense Minister Igor Tenyukh,” Anatoly Antonov, the Russian Deputy Defense Minister said.

Sergey Shoigu has, in a very transparent manner, informed all of them about the real situation on the Russian-Ukrainian border. He also stressed that Russia has no intention to concentrate troops there, Antonov said.

Following recent probes by foreign missions in Russia of Ukraine’s bordering regions, foreign inspectors came to the conclusion that "Russian Armed Forces are not undertaking any undeclared military activity that would threaten the security of neighboring countries," Antonov added.

The official said eight foreign inspection groups have recently visited Russia.

“Our venues and regions, where troops are stationed near Ukrainian borders, have twice been checked by the Ukrainian military,” the Deputy Minister said. “Besides, we have had on our territory inspectors from the US, Canada, Germany, France, Switzerland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia and Finland.”

Seven of those eight missions were interested in Russian regions bordering with Ukraine, Antonov said. Foreign inspectors were allowed to talk to chiefs of the Russian military units, make pictures of deployment sites and military vehicles, and control them during relocation.

“We did our best to meet our partners’ requests by allowing them to inspect all of the sites they wanted to. We have nothing to hide,” Antonov said.

The deputy minister said he was hoping that participants of those inspecting missions would inform their countries’ leaderships of what is really going on at the border between Russia and Ukraine.

"We believe this would to large extent facilitate release of tension, something the head of the Pentagon, Hagel, called for during his recent phone conversation with Minister Shoigu.”
Germans, French ‘nullified military co-op with Russia under pressure’

Berlin’s and Paris’ moves to halt military cooperation with Moscow are derailing the bilateral efforts of recent years and are completely unconstructive, Antonov said. However, according to the defense official, the two did so under pressure from their NATO ally.

“Obviously, the proverbial ‘Atlantic solidarity’ has made our French and German partners come up with loud statements against Russia,” Antonov said.

“Refusing from contacts and delegatory exchange though military departments brings to naught the positive tendencies established in the recent years, including the cooperation on Afghanistan, the dialogue on transparency of military activity and military-technical cooperation. We perceive the decision of the German side as taken under pressure and unconstructive,” Antonov stressed.

Both Russian and German defense ministries have recently undertaken some “serious efforts” in mutually beneficial cooperation, the official noted. He also highlighted the “unprecedented” bilateral work with France, including that of the Air Forces and Airborne Forces, noting that a “new impulse of cooperation” had been planned for 2014.

Addressing media on Sunday, Antonov stressed that Russia and its European partners are equally interested in military cooperation. It is “very easy to ruin what has been done by our countries [in the field of military cooperation] and it will be very difficult to restore relations,” he said.

The Russian side hopes that Germany and France will review the situation on the Ukrainian border upon receiving reports from the international inspectors and will move to restore the severed ties, Antonov said. For now, Moscow will act in accordance with the “existing realities,” he added.
3749  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 23, 2014, 11:38:01 AM
The Kuban Cossacks, who led the revolts against Poland, absolutely hate the Ukrainian state - even though, for all intensive purposes, these Kuban Cossacks are Ukrainian (as noted per their culture and customs).

Kuban Cossacks don't hate Ukrainians. However, they hate those radical pro-EU types from Lviv and Ternopil.

These areas (Lviv, Ternopil.etc) were originally part of Poland which were merged with Ukraine after the WW2. So the Kuban Cossacks identify the people who are native to these areas with ethnic Poles, their arch rivals.

Which begs the question, why not organise a referendum there, the results of which will surely indicate the wish for reunification with Poland. And I think the official Poland will not be opposed to this (though I read some comments from the ordinary Poles, who are not too keen on the idea). Everyone will be happy - NATO, EU, Poland, Cossacks. The only ones who will be unhappy, are the ethnic Russians living in that Western region, but they are a minority there, so they'll have to either live with the results or migrate.
3750  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: March 22, 2014, 03:54:33 PM
The Crimean government has given ultimatum to all its state employees. They should abandon Ukrainian citizenship before April 17, or lose their jobs. Anyone holding the Ukrainian passports after April 17 will be considered as foreign nationals.

Sounds reasonable. To hold any government job in any country (and in case of my other countries, to hold any job at all) you need to be a citizen of said country, or have a work permit, for non-government jobs.

Also, wasn't there some talk that all Crimeans automatically get Russian citizenship, unless they explicitly ask to not get one?
3751  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 22, 2014, 11:36:41 AM
It seems Ukraine's economy will significantly change in the nearest future after Ukraine's government announced a tender for creating and printing of a new national currency and G&D company won it. See this for more details, http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/kerry_urges_ukraine_reforms_in_call_to_russian_foreign_minister_20140316#comment-1294498663
As for me that will be a sensation because no one actually was informed about that and the info mysteriously disappeared from the original sources...

Copying it out, just in case. Time to buy more bitcoins?

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‘…Secretary Kerry also drew attention to the broad multi-party
constitutional reform process already under way in the Ukrainian Rada…’

It’s the reforms I’d like to talk about… It’s a hell of a mess going on here in Ukraine you know. This country’s economy is on the brink of abyss, the money it desperately needs is nowhere to come from. All the help our partners from US and EU offer only looks good, however in fact the strings attached to it are such that Ukrainian people will be economically enslaved. Digging the truth in this country now is next to impossible – Mass Media distort information, the web contains a thousand and one rumors… To cut it short – it’s total chaos. However by chance, when I was reading some discussion forums where adequate people discuss the goings-on, I encountered a very intriguing piece of news, which concerns monetary reform our government is allegedly trying to secretly implement.

Well, I’ll try to tell everything in the right order. A reader of the Ukrainian Expert magazine asked its forum members to explain him the following. Here’s the link to the forum thread. http://expert.ua/forumn/showthread/0/2974/

Well, his wife, obviously a German native, received a letter from her relative in Germany who works for Giesecke & Devrient company engaged in designing banknotes. In his letter the man warns them to urgently change all their money from hryvnas (Ukrainian currency) to dollars and euros company because his company signed a contract with Ukrainian National Bank to design banknotes for a new currency. Allegedly there’s a monetary reform under way which includes dumping the old currency, its denomination and introduction of a new one so as to get the country out of the financial pique. He even sent some sketches of the new money as a proof! The forum thread contains all the links and images but just in case I post them here too.





The topic starter on the forum is really disarrayed, he even sent some letters to the members of Rada (Ukrainian parliament) so as to learn from them what was really going on. Not surprisingly he got no response from them. So, he started to dig on the forums.

Unfortunately experts have also ignored the topic. Only ordinary users – who were as well disarrayed – expressed their opinions.

Actually there were yet some other discussions on different forums. People talked about some news from the Bank of Lviv. Allegedly Ukraine’s National Bank ordered it to suspend all transactions with cash in hryvnas due to the introduction of a new currency. The news on the bank’s website wasn’t available for long, however people managed to make some screenshots.







Besides there’s a cached version of the Ukraine National Bank’s order. It’s in .pdf format.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0RQLLouF9DEJ:www.banklviv.com/uk/individuals/rule/+&cd=2&hl=ru&ct=clnk&gl=ru

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:PwFsL-oD2YgJ:www.banklviv.com/download.php%3Farticleid%3D188%26fileno%3D2+&cd=1&hl=ru&ct=clnk&gl=ru

Analyzing all these facts I have come to the conclusion that new government of our country is indeed in to something and it tries to conceal from the people what it’s doing. However I’ve got no waterproof evidence of it.

Hopefully someone of the truth-diggers here might be able to dig deeper… I guess many of the Ukrainians, including myself, will be sincerely grateful to you.
3752  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 22, 2014, 11:09:36 AM
Hmmm. It would not be the first time US was covertly in favour of drugs:
http://rt.com/politics/drugs-sanctions-us-russia-329/

Also, the last US ambassador (Jack Matlock) to SU makes a lot of sense in this interview:
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/former_ambassador_russia_responding_to_years_of_us_hostility_20140320

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“I think that what we have seen is a reaction, in many respects, to a long history of what the Russian government, the Russian president and many of the Russian people—most of them—feel has been a pattern of American activity that has been hostile to Russia and has simply disregarded their national interests,” former ambassador Jack Matlock told “Democracy Now!” on Thursday.

“They feel that having thrown off communism, having dispensed with the Soviet Empire, that the U.S. systematically, from the time it started expanding NATO to the east, without them, and then using NATO to carry out what they consider offensive actions about an—against another country—in this case, Serbia—a country which had not attacked any NATO member, and then detached territory from it—this is very relevant now to what we’re seeing happening in Crimea—and then continued to place bases in these countries, to move closer and closer to borders, and then to talk of taking Ukraine, most of whose people didn’t want to be a member of NATO, into NATO, and Georgia. Now, this began an intrusion into an area which the Russians are very sensitive.

“Now, how would Americans feel if some Russian or Chinese or even West European started putting bases in Mexico or in the Caribbean, or trying to form governments that were hostile to us? You know, we saw how we virtually went ballistic over Cuba. And I think that we have not been very attentive to what it takes to have a harmonious relationship with Russia.”

The world would have been a better place if people like he or Ron Paul were the US presidents, while people like Pozner - Russian presidents.
3753  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: March 22, 2014, 10:41:53 AM
RT did a detailed and well-presented side-by-side comparison of Kosovo and Crimea cases:
http://rt.com/news/kosovo-crimea-referendum-recognition-441/

Wonderfully even-headed response from UN ambassador Vitaly Churkin to a CNN reporter:
http://rt.com/usa/churkin-response-amanpour-cnn-465/

Foreign Affairs Minister's Lavrov's address:
http://rt.com/politics/lavrov-crimea-slander-annexation-289/
3754  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: March 21, 2014, 11:57:21 PM
Nice fireworks in Moscow, Simferopol and Sevastopol!
Loved a comment from one of the women in Sevastopol who gave her special thanks to Obama and Merkel for starting the stuff in Kiev and making it possible it for Krym to return home.
3755  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 21, 2014, 10:14:45 PM
They could hate Russia? Seems a lot of bad stuff has been coming out of that area. Maybe it's something with the culture. I don't know, but I don't see things improving much since Tsarist or Soviet rule. Perhaps people have been under authoritarian rule for so long that they thing it's the normal and better way to live? *shrug*

Hate is too strong a word. Many Russians do disapprove of what is happening in the country.
Authoritarian rule is the best form of rule, when a country is under external threat. Russia just didn't have a chance to have normal foreign relations, pretty much ever.
The current estrangement and sanctions will only enforce authoritarian rule for an even longer period into the future.

I know, but it's not propaganda. Yes, the hunger extended to other regions as well, but Ukraine being the breadbasket, and at the time refusing to form collectives or give up its produce, I think it was subjected to it the worst. Besides starvation, a lot of people were also killed, just in a line-up-and-shoot style, when they refused to give away all their farm stuff and the military rolled in to confiscate it. Lately it seems the propaganda has mainly been from Russia, trying to claim that it wasn't that big of a deal (despite something like $3 to $6 million dying in Ukraine alone). My grandfather was a university student when that was going on, and he remembers seeing dead bodies on the street quite often. It dehumanized everyone to the point that if someone was killed by some accident, no one even looked or cared.

And the same applied to Central Russia. My grandmother's father was labelled as "kulak" and got his land plot and house that he was building with his own hands confiscated at gun point. He died a couple of years after that from illness and malnutrition.

Wasn't the Civil War the fight between Red Army Bolsheviks, and White Army Mensheviks? My early Soviet history is mostly from the time I learned it in Soviet Union, plus whatever little my parents told me, so I'm at a severe disadvantage there.

Basically, there was no organised White Army as such. There were officers from the Russian Army and men who remained loyal to them. They had different goals and agendas, where there even was an attempt at proclaiming an independent country in the Far East of Russia (not without Japanese help). If they were better coordinated, the whole of the USSR fiasco could have been avoided, for they were surely better trained and equipped than the Red Army.
You might find this read interesting (and it pertains to Ukraine as well):
http://www.grandars.ru/shkola/istoriya-rossii/grazhdanskaya-voyna.html

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В политической борьбе против советской власти консолидировались два политических движения:

    демократическая контрреволюция с лозунгами возврата политической власти Учредительному собранию и восстановления завоеваний Февральской (1917 г.) революции (многие эсеры и меньшевики выступали за утверждение советской власти в России, но без большевиков (“За Советы без большевиков”));
    белое движение с лозунгами “непредрешения государственного строя” и ликвидации советской власти. Это направление ставило под угрозу не только октябрьские, но и февральские завоевания. Контрреволюционное белое движение не было однородно. Оно включало в себя монархистов и либералов-республиканцев, сторонников Учредительного собрания и приверженцев военной диктатуры. В среде “белых” имелись расхождения и во внешнеполитических ориентирах: одни надеялись на поддержку Германии (атаман Краснов), другие — на помощь держав Антанты (Деникин, Колчак, Юденич). “Белых” объединяла ненависть к советской власти и большевикам, стремление сохранить единую и неделимую Россию. Единой политической программы у них не было, военные в руководстве “белого движения” оттеснили на второй план политиков. Не было и четкой согласованности действий между основными группировками “белых”. Лидеры российской контрреволюции соперничали и враждовали между собой.


My main two concerns are that I'm not so sure that Crimea would do better under Russian rule (which I really see as more of a fledgeling theocratic totalitarianism than democracy), instead of becoming an independent republic with economic trade with both Ukraine and Russia,

I agree with you there. From an economic point of view, Crimea would have been better off independent. From political point, the Western countries would not have allowed Crimea to stay independent for long.
(And yes, it saddens me to see Russia being thrown into the Dark Ages by the abuse of religion. For the record, I am an atheist.)

and the second concern is about all the anti-Ukrainian propaganda coming out of Russia. Sure, the overthrow of government wasn't legal, and the current government is not legal, but law is a product of government authority, and is DOES NOT mean the same thing as moral or ethical. Yanukovich's rule was neither moral nor ethical (nor democratic at the end). Regardless of how he was taken down, it was a good thing that he was. My overall position is strict antiauthoritarian, so it doesn't really matter to me whether something was "legal" or not. If someone is trying to be a dictator, kick his ass out by any means necessary.

Perhaps the reason there is so much russian propaganda about Ukraine being taken over illegally by fascists, or how the protestors (some of whom I know personally) were evil and violent, while the government were just innocent defenders, or how Ukrainians are scared of the fascists and fleeing the country into Russia (despite the border crossing being empty), or how Ukrainians are attacking and killing innocent Russians (despite most of them not giving a shit, and many speaking Russian as their first language), is because Russia is afraid that their own people might rise up and revolt against their government, which has been doing a lot of the same type of evil BS that Yanukovich got into.

Some of these points will get a grudging (I don't like them, but they do make sense) nod of acknowledgement from me. My only consolation (at least from reading comments on quite a few of the mainstream Russian media) as that general public does not totally buy that propaganda. There is a lot of grumbling about the state of the Russian government, as long as that grumbling is not done by foreigners. Russians also seem to be mostly supportive of Ukrainians, but pity them exactly because they see parallels in the Ukrainian coup and the coup of 1917. (Oh, and no brown colours, please).
3756  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 21, 2014, 08:37:05 PM
USSR was a product of Russia. The Red Army didn't come out of nowhere to fight over Ukraine, they came out of Russia, after the Russian Revolution (my dad's side of the family fought for the White Army, btw, which put that side of my family on a blacklist through USSR's existence). Russia conquered the rest of the republics, and formed the Soviet Union. Even if you say "Russia didn't own..." the ruling party, along with the pogroms, holodomors, and the rest of the terrible Soviet rule, came out of Moscow, in Russia. It's why so many ex-Soviet republics hate Russia now. Not necessarily Russians but just Russia.

I quite understand where that hate comes from. My return question would be: what are Russians to hate, then? My grandmother and here family got a first-hand experience of the Gulag system. She survived, her sister and her mother didn't. Should Russians start hating Jews as the inner circle of the revolutionaries was predominantly Jewish, should they hate Germany, with Lenin being a half-blood German (who in his letters proclaimed hate to all things Russian and had as one of the goals disintegrating Russia), should they start hating Georgia as the birthcountry of Jugashvili, should they hate Ukraine as the birth country of two next Soviet tops, Hrushov and Brezhnev?
Revolution in Russia happened under circumstances much like the ones unfurling in Ukraine. The people were fed up with something (in case of Russia, WWI), but those who capitalised on that didn't have people's interests at heart.

You mention the starvation. It wasn't limited to Ukraine. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B4_%D0%B2_%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A0_%281932%E2%80%941933%29 It's a despicable propaganda dividing that tragedy into Ukraine and everyone else. Again, my great-great-grandmother (in the same line as my repressed grandmother) died from hunger.

USSR was as much a product of WWI-induced Western intervention as it was a product of a small group of radicals. Red Army didn't come out of nowhere, but it was not the only army on the territory of Russia to fight for its future, or did you forget the Civil War?

Maybe it's enough with all hating?

Russia does not have its sights on Ukraine, not even on the territories that Lenin gave to Ukraine in 1922-24.
What happened in Crimea was not some whim of Russian politics, it was a process (or a volcano) that was brewing on a a backburner ever since 1954, and with an accelerating force since 1991. It was something that was going to happen sooner or later, and the events in Kiev were the releasing factor. And if Russia didn't act as a guarantor of peace, being there in the background, it might have gone much more violent and with bloodshed.

EDIT: Two people posted before me, while I wrote this. The text above was written without seeing what others commented.
3757  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 21, 2014, 07:14:42 PM
Were Crimeans being abused by Ukraine? Does Crimea even have any economic value besides tourism and a naval base?

The answer to your first question is: Yes, though luckily nothing physical.
As for the second question: US goes to war all over the world so as to have place for its naval bases. Those two points are enough, even if we disregard historical and humanitarian aspects.

And, please, Russia didn't own Ukraine under USSR. Russia barely existed, and out of the 15 republics it had least say in the matters of its own affairs.

For the Scandinavian readers here, I'd like to give a small simile: the relationship between Russians and Ukrainians is akin to that between Norwegians and Swedes. Smiley
3758  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 21, 2014, 05:02:51 PM
It didn't become Russia. Russia and Ukraine have been separate countries for a very long time. Yes, in Russian there is a work "okraina" whic means "outskirts," but in Ukrainian there is a word "kraina," which means "country."

Revisionist much?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine#Mainstream_interpretation_as_.E2.80.98borderland.E2.80.99

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The traditional theory (which was widely supported by historians and linguists in the 19–20th centuries, see e.g. Max Vasmer's etymological dictionary of Russian) is that the modern name of the country is derived from the term "ukraina" in the sense ‘borderland, frontier region, marches’ etc. These meanings can be derived from the Proto-Slavic noun *krajь, meaning ‘edge, border’. Contemporary parallels for this are Russian okráina ‘outskirts’ and kraj ‘border district’.

Hmm. Even I learnt something new today.  Grin

As for cartoons. Two can play that game Smiley
http://fishki.net/1247319-karikatury-otrazhajuwie-segodnjashnjuju--situaciju-na-ukraine.html

If you want a translation of the texts there, just ask.
3759  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: March 21, 2014, 03:49:24 PM
Just some educational information.
Sevastopol has its own anthem, and the words of the anthem should make any invader think twice.

Sung in full here (note that the video was uploaded in 2011. Spot the scenes that virtually say to Ukraine and the West, "don't push too hard, the citizens of Sevastopol are fed up and might take action"):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMKOgIEPD-c

Fly winged wind,
Over seas, over land.
Tell the whole world
About my beloved town.

Tell to the whole world
That on Crimean shores
Our grandfathers fought
And glorified in battle.

[Chorus:]
Legendary Sevastopol,
Impregnable to enemies
Sevastopol, Sevastopol,
The pride of Russian sailors

Here we went to the rightful and holy battles
For our Motherland
And your previous glory,
Have we multiplied

Having shrugged of black overcoats,
The Black Sea sailors during the days of War
Went against tanks with only handgrenades
Your sons went to their deaths

[Chorus]

If across the sea
enemies should come to us with swords,
We'll meet unwelcomed guests
with annihilating fire

The whole of beloved country knows
That the battleships do not sleep,
And are guarding surely
The shores of homeland

[Chorus]

Music: Vano Muradeli
Text: Petr Gragov
Written: 1954
Ratified as the official anthem of Sevastopol on 29.07.1994


Russian text here:
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BD_%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8F

You can hear a rendition of it here, where a girl spontaneously performed it at an election locale:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MERVP8BhP00

Ukrainians tried to re-write the text in 2006, replacing "Russian sailors" with "Ukrainian sailors",  "Sevastopol" with "whitestone fortress", and "kozaks" were added. The reaction of the citizens was strongly negative, to say the least.

I prey that US/NATO warmongers are not stupid enough and that Western soldiers would not need to hear that song performed on the other side of the trenches, as the citizens of Sevastopol yet again rise to defend their city from an "invasion from across the sea".
3760  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 21, 2014, 03:15:56 PM
Um. Estonia will fall eventually, but for different reasons, and Russia will be watching from the sidelines.

Besides, you are turning everything upside down. Russia is not attacking EU - it's EU/US that have first demolished the legitimate government in Ukraine, plunged it into anarchy, and are now attacking Russia. The only thing Russia did was to respond to the please for help from the majority Russian population in independent Crimean Republic and accepted them back into Russian Federation after 60 years of Ukrainian (what might pass for) occupation.

Incidentally, PrintMule, a representative of VISA in Russia issued a statement that they need to comply US jurisdiction and stop access to VISA network to companies on the US black list.

- Russia filed with Interpol an arrest order for the left extremist Jarosh.
- The illegitimate self(US)-appointed government in Kiev agreed with the UN chaiman about creating a Crimean workgroup and proposed that Crimea becomes a demilitarised zone. (Yeah, right, Russia is just going to pack its fleet in Sevastopol after 230 years of being there, just because some fascist tell them to. Hitler was also intent in taking Sevastopol...)
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