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Why?
Not that thats any real true indication of whats actually occuring within the code, its interesting to think what such a check might reveal. Both forks claim to be the legitimate continuation of the pre split bitcoin. Ok, now who modified the code base the most? Segwit was an ugly hack - the changeset is 6,000 lines of code. Cash changed the blocksize limit, the diff algo, and backported bugfixes (not sure of the line count, but estimating <1000). ++ In best case it was 'verschlimmbessern' https://twitter.com/el33th4xor/status/910826456086974465 |
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So, why don't you tell the world, honestly, what it is you really want, because if it was big blocks, you shouldn't actually be on the forum of the conservative blocks coin. At all.
So you want to be this forum a Communist authoritarian Prawda-like propaganda medium where only one opinion is permitted?  You seem still not have understood my stance. I like experiments with crazy parameters like Bitcoin Cash, but on alt-chains. But in the case of Bitcoin, I prefer a chain with the "less [contentious] splits possible" because splits harm the ecosystem and make adoption of BTC "as a currency" more difficult (although speculators may like the price swings). That's also why I, in the case of a hard fork, would follow the chain with the most hashrate - if miners are not trying to impose to me something totally unacceptable. But Segwit2x would be still OK. I don't like big blocks particularly, and I often disagreed with _hv because of that reason. But for me there is a difference between an "acceptable bigger block size", like in the Segwit2x case, and an "unacceptable" one - like Unlimited. But if Segwit2x is doomed to fail like the blog post here predicts (although for me it's hard to believe) - then for me it's everything OK. Maybe we'll be so lucky if big blockers stay with Bitcoin Cash. We already got Segwit, that's what I wanted and that's why I have also shilled for Segwit+2MB Thx again for you open post here. I consider myself as moderate and I can follow the majority for sake of freedom - esp if things are not relevant in terms of live and die. In the end our planet is too small to fight things to the end and fighting is net negative to all. I can also fully follow small blockers arguments for 'keepin the state of decentralization' - even LukeJr: 'do not use SW' and more of his believes - all understandable from a very local point - agreed. Since we can not grasp ALL of the complex nature of bitcoin including all dynamics of exp growth, economy, tech, black swan events, game theory, risks (of market, code, change process...) ... you name it - we need to see all things we decide under 'experimental' character - even all alt coins out there. Given all that - I want bitcoin not much different from bitcoin 1 year ago. Best: just with about 2-4?MB - But no SW. So my compromise is the SW2X - broadly in line with many other relevant (= can afford costly risk management and order specific software to run on their expensive hardware) players. |
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Now back to $3800. Actually this isn't just the right time for next pump, bitcoin is going to take time for recovery. We'll be seeing new highs in January, 2018, and not before that.  It might search for a double bottom around 3k . |
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I have nothing against the "Segwit2x" proposal as such (for me, 4-5 MB blocks, like it can be estimated if the proposal becomes true, would still be OK in a big network like Bitcoin Thx d5000 for you last sentence here, because I - speaking for big blockers - would be happy if there will be a better consensus for HF if it could be shifted a bit into early 2018 - but core needs to signal this first - or Novembers NYA will come. You two are only highlighting how disingenuous the "big blocks" position really is. You've got your big blocks Bitcoin, it's called Bitcoin Cash, but you don't want it for..... some reason? So, why don't you tell the world, honestly, what it is you really want, because if it was big blocks, you shouldn't actually be on the forum of the conservative blocks coin. At all. So why are you still here? Mainly to ignore you  You should think of: There is no black or white. Does your LN work? |
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If what the blog insinuates - that the Segwit2x fork won't happen at the end because of low support and big blockers are happy with Bitcoin Cash - is true, that would be indeed good news.
But I don't really believe it. I just looked into the btc1 Github and Jeff Garzik seems pretty active there, although there is defintively less activity than back in July. Until Bitpay and Coinbase do not change their stance publicly, I think we will have to prepare for a troubled November - not only price-wise. I have nothing against the "Segwit2x" proposal as such (for me, 4-5 MB blocks, like it can be estimated if the proposal becomes true, would still be OK in a big network like Bitcoin) but don't like the hurry, I would have preferred a fork in 2018 or 2019.
Thx d5000 for you last sentence here, because I - speaking for big blockers - would be happy if there will be a better consensus for HF if it could be shifted a bit into early 2018 - but core needs to signal this first - or Novembers NYA will come. Generally, I don't think that we can achieve this better consensus in such forums any more also due to 'moderation' (most big blockers left here as well) and adopted bigger business use other channels. In the end we all want bitcoin be the winner for poor and rich. |
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ja... weil Gold glänzt so schön!  Dachte sich Hans im Glück auch am Anfang. Hätt er doch mal lieber ein Bitcoin QR Code aufn Arsch gebrannt bekommen... |
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Könnte passen- Jetzt wird der Doppelboden gebaut. 2800-3000 könnte nochmal getestet werden - sage mal 24. Sep rum... |
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if someone sells 10million dollars worth of bitcoin the market will nose dive very hard, this should give you a clue as to how far off we are of being a Settlement Layer.
baby steps, bitcoin NEEDS to gain a much wider user base before it can even attempt being a Settlement Layer.
This is over year old, but still very on & correct. Brave Adam, miss u posting the truth!  |
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Something like 10% of the money being directed at ICOs is being siphoned off through scams, cons, phishing, or outright hacks of broken multi-sig wallets.
Security and due diligence are sooooo important!
Due diligence? All the ICOs are scams. All of them. Agreed - and I wonder when ETH is declared criminal, starting in China ? You've warned us that this crash will come somewhere - it's coming ..... |
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I wonder if this is going to shoot back above $4k or not.
Almost. Thanks for the honesty. You could have tried to put in a plug for Gunbot, but you didn't
You're welcome. I don't really push it onto people who aren't looking for trading software, or at least try not to.
JP Morgan has been buying Bitcoin ever since Dimon declared it a fraud.   Source tweet: https://twitter.com/IamNomad/status/908831764457672709Spreading nonsense here again? Who tells us this is trading on comission or on OWN books? This is rubbish to derive anything frome these data. |
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Krasse Stimmungsschwankungen hier im Forum...oder bin ich schon so abgestumpft? Naja, ich freu mich zugegeben auch, hab für meinen kleinen Nachkauf ebenfalls fast eine Punktlandung geschafft und so fürs gleiche ex-BCH-Budget einige Satoshis mehr einstreichen. Sollte es das wirklich gewesen sein, dass wir nach einer (durchaus heftigen) Korrektur nicht wesentlich unter 3000$ gefallen sind, blicke ich sehr gespannt auf die nächste Monate. Mein letzter Kauf war vor exakt zehn Monaten bei nichtmal 700$. Geil also in jedem Falle. Und btw, ging irgendwie unter: Die Schweiz akzeptiert nun sogar Steuerzahlungen in BTV Bin aber nur leider kein Schweizer  Nur bis CHF 250 und auch nur in Zug und das wird von den BTC Medien sowas von ausgeschlachtet und Zug zum Crypt-Valley erhoben das es schon wieder peinlich ist... Da ist der Stadtradt hat etwas nerdig drauf und sonst nix. Konservativer wie die Schweiz geht nicht wenn's um's Geld geht... also Ball flach halten Chiasso ist neu dabei. |
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Was würdet ihr mir raten?
Jetzt noch verkaufen? - Hab leider verpasst bei höheren Kursen zu verkaufen.
Oder halten? - Bald geht's aufwärts??
Bitcoin ist tot. Wie schon immer. Triff deine Entscheidungen selber und lass nicht andere für dich entscheiden. Aber ärger dich nicht, wenn du Ende des Jahres die 5k USD nicht mitnimmst. Mit altcoins zu traden ist OK aber mit BTC traden ist doof! Kann davon nur abraten, vorallem wenn die Markt sich gerade neu orientiert! Hä? Altcoins orientieren sich doch ebenfalls neu. Oder kannst du mir einen Altcoin nennen, der nicht gecrasht ist? Tether ? |
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 wtf!Bitmain seeing the light? Why Bitmain? Maybe Japan starts testing the new 7nm chips? |
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I’ve already wrote it but I really think we went back to 2014. I see the same patterns over and over again. In 2014 they invented the “blockchain” to spread FUD and false myths about bitcoin”. Now that everybody saw the bitcoin potential this is no longer something that they can support.
I work within this field and, trust me, with one face they talk blockchain and with the other they buy bitcoin (and other crypto).
Yes, let’s calm down while holding the keys
It's not that old, but I came to same results here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1695006.msg17006113#msg17006113 |
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hv_ all those games being played right now will determine the future of bitcoin (or the different bitcoins). I mean Bitpay cares about its business and will care about the most useful bitcoin protocol that will help them to best fit their current business model.
As a bitcoin user I must admit that Bitpay currently has one of the most user-friendly bitcoin wallet. Most of my firends/colleagues still use it because it gets the job done. In terms of bitcoin adoption I think that makes a difference.
We will see how this unfold
Thx - you are absolutely right. Most users are noobs and do not even care about tech and politics behind (Bitcoin) and just buy it like they buy the shiny new IPhone since these merchants (Apple & co) know how to design and sell it to the masses. These bigs also take care about the risks (we can only hope they do not gain too much of bitcoin - but this is already hard by now) - Bitcoin has grown to this edge of adoption and I understand many 'users' not wanting this kind of adoption - but the ship has left - unstoppable. Users: Relax and take your popcorn - or play big (start mining !). Actions like ranting against others (with more stakes) and fight stupid endless ideas does harm the reputation of bitcoin more than it achieves. IMO it is all aligned due to the Nash equilibrium (yes it is oscillating and we see big amplitudes!) - but it cannot fail - only be slowed down. I also wonder, if this big noise we noticed all in these fights brought up the biggest ones now - like the PBoC -> Getting more into Bitcoin / licensing it ? If we are aware of these effects, more silence could help in first place to evolve as far as possible before the big ones come in finally and take too big shares? |
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Nice reading - yes definitely
But could you think of an double -> infinity times spending attack, that will spam the DAG in such a way that any verifying work will crash the nodes in terms of mem or processing time / both ?
IMO it could be way too hard work to find out what is the allowed TX under a multi branched DAG having lots of double spending TX to be skipped.
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A fork is not an attack. It is a fork. Bitcoin does not care about forks, because they are not Bitcoin.
It IS 100% an attack when the hardforkers are trying to steal the Bitcoin brand. There may be some "friendly-forks" that just want to hardfork BTC to issue their altcoin and they recognize themselves as an altcoin. Another very different story is when government shills like Jeff Garzik or Roger Ver try to turn segwit2x or BCash into BTC, claiming it's the real bitcoin. In fact, Jeff Garzik claims in november exchanges will list segwit2xCoin as BTC and it will become de-facto Bitcoin (of course they are bribing miners and merchants with fiat gov-sponsored money). These are the terrorists against Bitcoin that need to be flushed. How can the SW2x be such an unfriendly one or do you think the SW (SF) part was unfriendly as well? So you see that there is no one or the other - that's live. |
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I was just thinking of the SPV nodes / mining a bit more and was reading / externding an idea that was about enriching SPVs with a minimum random part of other TX / blockchain parts.
If we would have enough such SPV + random nodes, the part's sum of those will do the job of many 'full' nodes.
Further: If mining could be done in such a SPV + random style as well, like:
You can only send (+ pre-mine) your own TX if you 'atomically' mine a couple of others TXs (at least 2) than mining could be fully decentralized as well and scaling / storage is no issue - at least if there are also enough merchants / miners with huge SPV + random nodes, where the random part might be very huge one for some bigger and riskier entities.
Any comments?
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A fork is not an attack. It is a fork. Bitcoin does not care about forks, because they are not Bitcoin.
Hm - that's a bit too simple. We had e.g. a levelDB fork - so if majority follows this fork - this is still Bitcoin. |
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