Step outside sometime in the summertime, and sit down on a lawn chair. Take a half-hour off from the bustling business of the day to watch a leaf on a tree, swaying gracefully in the gentle summer breeze. Track every molecule of air that touches the leaf. Track where they each individually come from as they are swept along by the other molecules, all of which are being played upon by the energy of the sun. Track where they are going as they are deflected by the vanes in the leaf. Track the energy that moves the molecules, each one swinging to the vibration of the particular waves that touch it. When you can do the above, you are starting to capture the control needed to maintain your life by your own understanding. Science isn't even close to something like this. And this is only the tiniest start of starts towards controlling your own life. You better hope that God is a gracious God, and that He is willing to have mercy on you and hear your cry. 'Cause otherwise, you simply are going to die.  |
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.... Really enjoying the Open Discussion here with you guys , so I hope you don't take my words to a personal way because I have nothing against you I hope you feel the same @Spendulus , those killers have nothing to do with Islam , again "Extremists" . If you read Quran and Hadith of our prophet you would know that for a muslim "killing one person is like killing the whole humanity and saving one person is like saving the whole humanity." ~ Madness Yes I feel the same. There is an issue which troubles me a bit, here is what it is. We see often atheists and liberals arguing and insulting fundamentalist Christians, often from a position of ignorance. This is done based on correct facts, however the Christian finds not that his religion has been insulted but his culture. Or the town he lives in, or his friends. He does not see it as a strict fact base argument against particular sentences in a religious book. I don't think anyone here seeks to insult the greater context of the culture in which people live, whether it is Islamic or Christian or secular. However when a question is posed such as "nothing to do with Islam, again "extremists" all I can do is go to the data, and noting that it seems a full blown war is in progress, comment on that as it does seem something far in excess of a "few extremists." How this may be reconciled with the certainty that I do not seek to insult the Islamic religion or it's adherents is of course a bit of a quandary, but there it is. Side note - I am watching the remastered blu ray Lawence of Arabia tonight. An amazing movie. Hmmm... Maurice Jarre! Is riding a camel running at full speed really as smooth as the music?  |
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Those are dozens, if not hundreds of times that the bible has been edited and have things put it and taken out by humans, not by some god.
Or by the devil himself.  It seems that religions seek to simplify the world throughout false beliefs(Like how the church used to believe that earth was the center of the universe without any proof at all, but just to make things simple), instead of actually trying to understand it(like science does). Anything that is good=god, anything that is evil=the devil, to them. Seems simple, but clearly wrong. Even the bible itself has acts from god that today is seen as evil. You are mistaken in this. People need simplification, at least as we are now. We don't have the IQ that can hold and compare multiple, complex ideas simultaneously. As for the aggregation of scientific information, science is scratching the surface, and much of what people call science is based of if's and maybe's at its core. |
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Quite the contrary. My faith is stronger than ever, because I have been pushed into examining the evidences for my faith ever more strongly because of things written in this forum. Set aside the ideas of belief and faith for a moment. Rather, look at only the evidences for the various religions including Atheism. The monotheistic view is strongest. The reason that it is strongest is, the Bible cannot exist according to probability, yet it does exist, in great numbers, in multitudes of translations. You can determining the odds of its existence by examining the way it came into existence along with the things that make it up, along with the traditions of the Hebrew people that it is truth. None of any of the other religions - not even atheism - can match the religion of the Bible in this way. Whatever assumption(s) you are talking about above, let's continue making them. Why would I suggest this? Because the more there is an assumption, the more there has to be faith to believe in it. And the only way God accepts us is through faith. Let's hope any Atheists will suddenly make the jump to faith in God - for Whom there is way more evidence than no God - taking the strength of their faith with them. What? The bible can't exist according to probability? That entire statement is wrong. I don't understand how you could love and worship a book that is full of horrors, violence, death, and servitude. The entire bible as we know it today was changed up by the Romans, so it was not written by God as some people believe. The contents of the Bible, the history of how it was written, its unity, the theme of salvation for mankind, the traditions of the Hebrews/Israel/the Jews regarding it, the way it depicts mankind, the science in it, the wisdom in it, the love in it, and the way that this all is brought together is way beyond probability regarding that such a book like this could exist. Such things as "horrors, violence, death, and servitude" are found throughout the world today. They are depicted in many books, in movies, and throughout life. What sheltered life are you living in? The late rabbi, Uri Harel, of Phoenix, Arizona, did many great studies on the Old Testament in its ancient Hebrew. The Old Testament canon is essentially the same as it has always been. One of the things that Rabbi Harel found is that there are only 12 small "spots" in the Old Testament where we are unclear as to the actual text. These 12 places change nothing regarding the meaning of the Old Testament. The Romans did us a blessing by setting the New Testament in stone, so to speak. By directing the study and comparison of both O.T. and N.T., especially at the council of Nicea, they were able to do something that the Church wasn't willing. They were able to get rid of a whole lot of N.T. writings that at the time were contrary to the good sense of the O.T., and contradicted the pure message of the N.T. as well. Perhaps the Romans went too far. Perhaps their scholars should have included a few books in the N.T. that they left out. However, those books wouldn't have added anything to the message, anyway. The whole Bible was written, and exists, so that people can be saved. As usual, people don't want to be saved, but would rather go on groping throughout their lives, until it is gone, and only on their deathbeds do they start to recognize that they are lost, if then. Religions are spread primarily through family aka brainwashing, unlike science which changes over time as we learn and develop more, religion stays the same, which is why the bible contains so many horrors and atrocities commanded by God, such as raping women and killing priests for drinking wine(Fit to govern people with fear at a time when most were uneducated). When science gets to the point that we understand more than just a smattering of what exists, we will easily see God in it. The problem lies in the fact that, just like now, the scientists will try to cover up the knowledge of God Whom they are finding more and more in science right now. This is being done today, in the fact that scientists often are unwilling to even allow for the existence of God, though more and more they see through their investigation, the technology of God built right into the universe. Rather, they cover Him up as much as they can. Since the horrors and atrocities of life are happening all the time right now, if God happens to use some of it to get it to stop, He is righteous in doing it this way. Would you rather that Hitler had won WWII? We needed to fight fire with fire. God could up and destroy us for our wickedness and because of His righteousness. But He would rather save as many of us as He can. If it weren't for God's laws written in our hearts and consciences, we ALL would be off committing worse crimes than God would ever think of. Thank God He is stopping the crimes, even though many of us don't recognize that it is He that is stopping them. Also, a popular argument for theists is that since we know the difference between right and wrong, then God must exist right? Nope, that's wrong also. The concepts of "Right" and "Wrong" are inborn, biological. Mammals have it and so do we, it's simply a way to prevent species from killing each other off, and form bonds of trust in social settings.
Sometimes science fiction writers include real science in their fiction stories. Sometimes science fiction readers believe completely fictitious stories as truth. To a rather ignorant person who happens to be looking on from the outside, it can be very difficult to determine what is truth. So far, all of the science info that we have, that seems to disprove the existence of God, or that seems to disprove the truth of the Bible, can be shown to disprove the science itself, showing that such science is, or might be, fiction. Other than that, there is a lot of propaganda hollering by a bunch of people who don't know anything at all, or who are out to deceive others for the sake of money. Ok, so I've read everything you typed there. I'm done. Everything you have typed is 100% Bullcrap. I don't mean to act "mean", but I'm sorry sir, you seem extremely, extremely delusional, or idk...Let's pick apart what you said..shall we? Everything in blue is what you said, which doesn't make any sense, and everything in black beneath it is my response: 1) Since the horrors and atrocities of life are happening all the time right now, if God happens to use some of it to get it to stop, He is righteous in doing it this way. Would you rather that Hitler had won WWII? We needed to fight fire with fire. God could up and destroy us for our wickedness and because of His righteousness. But He would rather save as many of us as He can. --- That is entirely wrong, do you really think God would come up and "destroy us for our wickedness". Do you know just how many Jews Adolf Hitler killed? Between five and six million Jews were killed by Hitler. I'm sure they were praying their asses off to get saved by "God", but he never came. Oh and since then, other major genocides have occurred such as the Armenian genocide, the Rwandan genocide, in which hundreds of thousand have been slaughtered. So exactly how is this what you said, making any sense, "God could up and destroy us for our wickedness and because of His righteousness. But He would rather save as many of us as He can" ?? Your "God" has done nothing, absolutely nothing to help with any of the millions of people dying since just the 20th century from wars, famine, starvation, give them freedom from communism(China). Oh well, there they go. That's how your "god" works, or a better explanation, he doesn't exist. In fact, I remember reading a quote from a former priest who said he gave up on Christianity after having visited Rwanda during the genocide, and seeing the thousands up thousands of dead people slaughtered in cold blood, and no "God" there to save them.. 2) If it weren't for God's laws written in our hearts and consciences, we ALL would be off committing worse crimes than God would ever think of. Thank God He is stopping the crimes, even though many of us don't recognize that it is He that is stopping them.--- As I've said earlier, God himself in the Old Testament has given his "people" some of the cruelest rules found in the "holy books" which promote the killing of innocent people, the raping of women, and so on, all commanded by your god, you can verify this yourself if you have a bible with you: http:// [url]http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/ot_list.html/[/.url] Also, a lot of those who are religious seem to believe that it's this "God" who's giving us the ability to know "right" from "wrong". That's entirely untrue, as humans(mammals) are inborn with the ability to differentiate between acts of cruelty and love in the species, this is to ensure survival or the species, unlike what is found in reptiles or insects. 3) The Romans did us a blessing by setting the New Testament in stone, so to speak. By directing the study and comparison of both O.T. and N.T., especially at the council of Nicea, they were able to do something that the Church wasn't willing. They were able to get rid of a whole lot of N.T. writings that at the time were contrary to the good sense of the O.T., and contradicted the pure message of the N.T. as well.---This is also Wrong. The bible has been changed not by just the romans, but by the corrupt catholic church as well, along by monarchs of England. Those are dozens, if not hundreds of times that the bible has been edited and have things put it and taken out by humans, not by some god. So there you go BADecker, I'm sorry but after I've actually taken the time to read what you post, I can see that 100% of the things you've said make no sense. You seem like you are believing entirely with Blind Faith. It's sad really, but then again, it's your choice. Well, I'm a bit sad that you simply wish to deny God. However, I am happy at the same time... happy that you are making a solid stance. God can work with unsaved people who make a strong stance, in whatever ways that it will take to give them the best opportunity to turn and be saved. Sorry that I couldn't offer you enough info to show you the truth of the love of God. But this forum isn't really for that kind of depth. Even Jesus lost Judas. So, should I expect more? He will forgive me for my weaknesses in this. Best wishes to you as a fellow forum commenter. And good hopes to you for your conversion to salvation. |
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Other than that, there is a lot of propaganda hollering by a bunch of people who don't know anything at all, or who are out to deceive others for the sake of money.
Absolutely. I had a bunch of them knocking on my door about a week ago. As soon as the door was open religion started spewing out of their mouths. "You should be doing this. You should be doing that." Oh dear, they was quickly sent away. The saddest part of all was they forced some boy (7 or 8 years old, their son I presumed) to wear a bowtie and come with them. Poor kid was totally brainwashed into oblivion. That's right. Religious propaganda is almost as bad as science propaganda. The Bible is solid. Go there and learn how to be saved for everlasting life. Never had a scientist knocking on my door telling me what I should be doing. They wouldn't, for at least 3 reasons: They don't know what you should be doing. They are too brain dead to realize the advantage of reach thousands through preaching. They have their universities to proclaim their religion for them - new approach. |
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'Cause it was a real death... just like His resurrection was a real resurrection. He knew he would stay alive. Not much sacrifice in such the deed... Staying alive only comes after the death and resurrection. Now that He is alive again, death has no mastery over Him. He will be alive forever. |
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God came as a man to earth, I think that shows his compassion and desire to bring all men to himself.
If Jesus didn't stay dead, how could His death have been a REAL sacrifice?  'Cause it was a real death... just like His resurrection was a real resurrection. |
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The fact is if God is God he can do what the hell he wants. Can he create a stone that he can't lift? That's what Jesus was. In the case of Jesus, Jesus obeyed God perfectly so that God didn't have to lift him. He lifted Himself, at god's bidding, right up onto the cross. |
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Does it make sense to sell my holdings with the expectation of a lower Bitcoin price, where I can buy back in? |
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Other than that, there is a lot of propaganda hollering by a bunch of people who don't know anything at all, or who are out to deceive others for the sake of money.
Absolutely. I had a bunch of them knocking on my door about a week ago. As soon as the door was open religion started spewing out of their mouths. "You should be doing this. You should be doing that." Oh dear, they was quickly sent away. The saddest part of all was they forced some boy (7 or 8 years old, their son I presumed) to wear a bowtie and come with them. Poor kid was totally brainwashed into oblivion. That's right. Religious propaganda is almost as bad as science propaganda. The Bible is solid. Go there and learn how to be saved for everlasting life. |
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I'am sticking to what I said , when a Christian or Jew do something wrong (even if he did it because he extremist) no one mentions anything about terror or don't even mention his religion on the newspaper but once they see "Muslim" .. the shit starts . They make all muslims bad no matter and simply forget the good things they do over the world . ExampleReally enjoying the Open Discussion here with you guys , so I hope you don't take my words to a personal way because I have nothing against you I hope you feel the same @Spendulus , those killers have nothing to do with Islam , again "Extremists" . If you read Quran and Hadith of our prophet you would know that for a muslim "killing one person is like killing the whole humanity and saving one person is like saving the whole humanity." ~ Madness I understand your point of view, but what about the silence of your clerics? Why not FATWAs against these brutal murderers that insult your Prophet far worse, it would seem, than some book like Rushbie's? Are the clerics simply scared? Clerics hold a good position in the world. Life is easy. Why make the waves that would certainly come about if they revealed that Islam was a religion of war and violence? |
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It seems that 90% of the medical stuff on Wikipedia is wrong. It also seems that as many as 50% of physicians and medical students trust it. Because of this, who in the world should believe much of anything that the medical says? http://www.jaoa.osteopathic.org/content/114/5/334.full |
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Quite the contrary. My faith is stronger than ever, because I have been pushed into examining the evidences for my faith ever more strongly because of things written in this forum. Set aside the ideas of belief and faith for a moment. Rather, look at only the evidences for the various religions including Atheism. The monotheistic view is strongest. The reason that it is strongest is, the Bible cannot exist according to probability, yet it does exist, in great numbers, in multitudes of translations. You can determining the odds of its existence by examining the way it came into existence along with the things that make it up, along with the traditions of the Hebrew people that it is truth. None of any of the other religions - not even atheism - can match the religion of the Bible in this way. Whatever assumption(s) you are talking about above, let's continue making them. Why would I suggest this? Because the more there is an assumption, the more there has to be faith to believe in it. And the only way God accepts us is through faith. Let's hope any Atheists will suddenly make the jump to faith in God - for Whom there is way more evidence than no God - taking the strength of their faith with them. What? The bible can't exist according to probability? That entire statement is wrong. I don't understand how you could love and worship a book that is full of horrors, violence, death, and servitude. The entire bible as we know it today was changed up by the Romans, so it was not written by God as some people believe. The contents of the Bible, the history of how it was written, its unity, the theme of salvation for mankind, the traditions of the Hebrews/Israel/the Jews regarding it, the way it depicts mankind, the science in it, the wisdom in it, the love in it, and the way that this all is brought together is way beyond probability regarding that such a book like this could exist. Such things as "horrors, violence, death, and servitude" are found throughout the world today. They are depicted in many books, in movies, and throughout life. What sheltered life are you living in? The late rabbi, Uri Harel, of Phoenix, Arizona, did many great studies on the Old Testament in its ancient Hebrew. The Old Testament canon is essentially the same as it has always been. One of the things that Rabbi Harel found is that there are only 12 small "spots" in the Old Testament where we are unclear as to the actual text. These 12 places change nothing regarding the meaning of the Old Testament. The Romans did us a blessing by setting the New Testament in stone, so to speak. By directing the study and comparison of both O.T. and N.T., especially at the council of Nicea, they were able to do something that the Church wasn't willing. They were able to get rid of a whole lot of N.T. writings that at the time were contrary to the good sense of the O.T., and contradicted the pure message of the N.T. as well. Perhaps the Romans went too far. Perhaps their scholars should have included a few books in the N.T. that they left out. However, those books wouldn't have added anything to the message, anyway. The whole Bible was written, and exists, so that people can be saved. As usual, people don't want to be saved, but would rather go on groping throughout their lives, until it is gone, and only on their deathbeds do they start to recognize that they are lost, if then. Religions are spread primarily through family aka brainwashing, unlike science which changes over time as we learn and develop more, religion stays the same, which is why the bible contains so many horrors and atrocities commanded by God, such as raping women and killing priests for drinking wine(Fit to govern people with fear at a time when most were uneducated). When science gets to the point that we understand more than just a smattering of what exists, we will easily see God in it. The problem lies in the fact that, just like now, the scientists will try to cover up the knowledge of God Whom they are finding more and more in science right now. This is being done today, in the fact that scientists often are unwilling to even allow for the existence of God, though more and more they see through their investigation, the technology of God built right into the universe. Rather, they cover Him up as much as they can. Since the horrors and atrocities of life are happening all the time right now, if God happens to use some of it to get it to stop, He is righteous in doing it this way. Would you rather that Hitler had won WWII? We needed to fight fire with fire. God could up and destroy us for our wickedness and because of His righteousness. But He would rather save as many of us as He can. If it weren't for God's laws written in our hearts and consciences, we ALL would be off committing worse crimes than God would ever think of. Thank God He is stopping the crimes, even though many of us don't recognize that it is He that is stopping them. Also, a popular argument for theists is that since we know the difference between right and wrong, then God must exist right? Nope, that's wrong also. The concepts of "Right" and "Wrong" are inborn, biological. Mammals have it and so do we, it's simply a way to prevent species from killing each other off, and form bonds of trust in social settings.
Sometimes science fiction writers include real science in their fiction stories. Sometimes science fiction readers believe completely fictitious stories as truth. To a rather ignorant person who happens to be looking on from the outside, it can be very difficult to determine what is truth. So far, all of the science info that we have, that seems to disprove the existence of God, or that seems to disprove the truth of the Bible, can be shown to disprove the science itself, showing that such science is, or might be, fiction. Other than that, there is a lot of propaganda hollering by a bunch of people who don't know anything at all, or who are out to deceive others for the sake of money. |
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Who creates virtual particles?
Virtual creators. |
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Sealand. Too shallow for subs. But I bet some nuclear torpedoes could get in. |
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You can already use bitcoins to purchase citizenship in some countries. I'm sure the CIA has been using bitcoins to buy CITIZENS of some countries already. |
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"Wrong" doesn't have anything to do with it. "Lying." Quite tough for them to admit that. The interesting thing about it is that, before a person becomes a government official, he is a person. He might be a liar. But, more than likely he is simply trying to get along in life. Then, when he gets into government, he is forced into a lying type of culture. He may have good ideals. He may have good laws that he wants to get passed. But he has to accept all kinds of bad things, or the crooks in government won't allow him to do any of the good he is trying to do. So, just to do the good, he is forced to do some of the bad. Take Ron Paul for example. He is a great guy, working for the people as hard as he can. Now that he is formally out of government, he is still working for the people. Ron Paul is a government guy. Make no mistake about it. Sure, he suggests that we audit the FED. There are probably times that he has suggested that we shut it down. Maybe he even supports Bitcoin. But here is where he is still a government guy. In all of Ron Paul's studying and books he has read and written, and with all his experience in office, the things he is doing don't hold a candle to the things that Karl Lentz is freely doing for and giving to the people. Ron Paul is government focused. Karl Lentz is showing the people how to keep government from having any control over them. Karl Lentz is promoting the things of Bill Thornton and Richard Cornforth in a practical way. If the people forgot about the politicians, including Ron Paul, and put into practice the things of Richard Cornforth in Karl's manner, the prisons would become virtually empty of all the people who did no crime, but were bamboozled into prison by government. As Richard says on his website at http://voidjudgments.com/detailsvoid.htm, IF EVERY VOID JUDGMENT WAS VACATED WITH DAMAGES, IT WOULD REPRESENT THE GREATEST SHIFT IN MATERIAL WEALTH IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD! Ron Paul, government guy isn't doing this. Karl Lentz, working with his own and Bill Thornton's and Richard Cornforth's law, is. http://www.myprivateaudio.com/Karl-Lentz.html |
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So please show me your 100% fact there is no God that simply the whole world can say ah ok yo're right there is no God.
It's somewhere inside http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_DelusionPS: The whole world can't say "ah ok yo're right there is no God" because not everyone dares to read this book. Until the time comes that people know everything about the universe, there is no way to truthfully and definitely say that the idea of the existence of God is a delusion. God could easily be lurking in the one piece of knowledge that man had missed. We wouldn't see Him because that is why He is called God. He can do the things of God. The fact that all of man's knowledge comes from the universe, and the fact that the universe is probably packed with knowledge man hasn't even dreamed about, yet, suggests, at the very least, that there might be a God. Now, put the above two points together with the fact that man boldly makes the statement that there is no god, and you come up with a very definite god. This god is man, setting himself up as god, by making an assertion he is not qualified to make. When man does this, the thing he is really doing, is making himself out to be lower than the animals, who at least recognize that there are beings greatly superior to themselves (humans). As Robert Pirsig says, and Richard Dawkins agrees with: ... when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." So, when you have man setting himself up as God in the face of a universe full of "things" that suggest highly that God must exist, the man-as-God idea must be a religion... like atheism is a religion. Or is it only that the one or two who are self-god makers are insane? |
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"Wrong" doesn't have anything to do with it. "Lying." |
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Slow boat to Timbuktu - MaliSeptember 18, 2013 http://notesfromcamelidcountry.net/category/niger-river/ - (Many Pictures) I was thinking about the scenes and the people from that day recently; I read in Le Monde about the tragedy that befell Tonka when it was overrun by Islamic fundamentalists, and placed under Sharia Law, in 2012.
When the fundamentalists took control of Tonka, they outlawed everyday things: music, smoking, certain types of clothes, certain types of haircut, not wearing a veil and dozens of other things Malian’s took for granted. Le Monde told the story of a hairdresser who was arrested, imprisoned and subjected to vicious beatings and public flogging just for cutting hair in a style the Islamists labelled the ‘Satan cut’. People were daily terrorised for the smallest infractions of Sharia Law, and young boys and girls were kidnapped and recruited to the Islamist ranks.
Mali’s population is predominantly Sunni Muslim. Sunni’s in Mali are known for their mystical Sufi traditions, which allow individuals to define their own spiritual experience, including through music and poetry. In practice, Malian Islam is tolerant and open-minded. The story of the hairdresser from Tonka, instantly sums up the fear and terror which must have existed when the fundamentalists controlled the region. Now they have been driven out by French military intervention, things will hopefully return to normal, although it may take a long time.
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