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3781  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 19, 2014, 03:43:53 PM
It's just a word that means the same thing as hinterland, or back-country. It's far from the Baltic Sea ports, and also partly isolated by the Carpathian mountains from the south. It's not an invitation for Russian thieves.

Thieves?

A band of government officials enters you home, takes your wife, gives it to your neighbour, then leaves.
Your wife breaks down the neighbour's door and you protect her while she flees, after which you are labelled as a thief of your neighbour's woman.

That's what happened with Crimea.


I thought it was some big celebration of a 300 year anniversary in 1954. But hey, what do I know?

Besides, your analogy is bullshit. The USSR gave Crimea as a present to itself, because Ukraine was under USSR control anyway. Now you guys have been manipulated into whining like babies. Surely, Ukraine was an independent, sovereign country this entire time since about 1990 so what's your fucking problem? Russia doesn't LIKE the new leaders because it was an evil coup? Stop interfering.

No.

Russia was under USSR control as well, please don't forget that.

Nikita Hrushov, gave Crimea (taking it from Russia) as a personal favour present to Ukrainian SSR so as to gain support from the Ukrainian Communist Party tops (who were the most numerous after the ones in Russia, and some of the most influential in USSR). Hrushov started a process of demoting the cult of Stalin, yet he himself had blood on his hands, Ukrainian blood not the least. Crimea also served the purpose of "righting the wrongs" and making those in power in Ukraine "forget" what Hrushov did.

That present was unconstitutional - the constitution of USSR did not have provisions for transferring parts of one member state to another member state.

Finally, this transfer met resistance among locals, resistance which never abated and which I witnessed myself when I went to Crimea both in the Soviet era and after USSR dissolved. Even the leader of the Communist Party of Crimea spoke against it, for which he was removed from his post.

3782  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 19, 2014, 03:19:09 PM
It's just a word that means the same thing as hinterland, or back-country. It's far from the Baltic Sea ports, and also partly isolated by the Carpathian mountains from the south.

No, it does not. It means what I wrote it means - "at the border", "near the edge".
Back-country would be "задворки".

Besides, Ukraina has rich productive agricultural lands, which compensate not having sea ports, so what's your point?

It's not an invitation for Russian thieves.

Thieves?

A band of government officials enters you home, takes your wife, gives it to your neighbour, then leaves.
Your wife breaks down the neighbour's door and you protect her while she flees, after which you are labelled as a thief of your neighbour's woman.

That's what happened with Crimea.

Oh, and Poland are more than welcome to have the Western-Ukrainian territories back, if the people of Western Ukraine vote for it in a referendum (which they probably would do)

Forward-quoting:


The US also had an oversized war machine the entire time from the 1940s ~ 1980s, but they did not fall apart so your theory is incorrect.

I'd like to add a keyword to that sentence: yet. The symptoms that Us displays are very much akin to those shown by SU during the last years of its existence.

Also, you are mixing up planned economy and communism. One does not imply the other, and vice versa.
3783  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: March 19, 2014, 03:12:11 PM
"People's will" isn't expressed during an armed invasion at a referendum without supervision and with ballots already filled up.

Three errors in once sentence. Speechless! Highlighted them for you. Now go and do some research, please.
3784  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 19, 2014, 02:51:00 PM
Soviet Union fell apart because of an oversized war machine, where most of country's production went towards feeding that beast (which had a side effect of breeding an army of bureaucrats with ensuing corruption), while putting common folk's needs last. Useful during war time, counter-productive in a peaceful period. Reminds of the bulging democratic American war machine of today.

During the Soviet coup, just as now, during the Ukrainian overthrow of power, people had very little to say. Some guys met up in a forest and decided that Soviet Union is no more, preliminary locking up the legitimate president of the country.

A certain influence from abroad played its role as well. Not all are convinced that Yeltsin and his environment didn't have overseas masters.

I am not saying that Soviet Union was not on a downward spiral, but Gorbachev at least tried to reform it into a more open, economically feasible union, while meeting huge resistance from the military tops. If Gorbachev succeeded, Soviet Union would become something akin to the European Union, but who needs a strong union - divide an conquer (this also applies to the current state of EU, which is being systematically destroyed).
3785  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 19, 2014, 02:41:37 PM
Hmm... They forget that gold had been used as money without any specific issuer. There were gold coins printed by this and that city state, but that was the function of ensuring that the gold pieces were not fake alloys. No one central authority said how much a gold piece was to be worth. In digital world this function is taken over by cryptographic signing.
3786  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: March 19, 2014, 02:15:35 PM
Refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine.
Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence its politics.

In that case US/EU broke the memorandum notes before Russia, or is financing, training and unleashing fascist forces to destabilise and overthrow a legitimate government from within considered OK?
3787  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: March 19, 2014, 10:33:50 AM
Russian President and British Prime Minister are discussing a peaceful resolution to the situation, where Russia would stop acknowledging Crimea's secession from Ukraine in exchange for Britain stopping acknowledging the secession of US. The US Senate will be disbanded forthwith and all state heads will report directly to the Crown.

LOL! That's actually not only America doesn't recognize the Referendum but also Europe

Europe will do whatever the US tells it to do.
3788  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: March 19, 2014, 10:18:44 AM
http://rt.com/news/crimea-shooting-military-center-646/

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Two people – a self-defense member and a Ukrainian soldier – were killed after snipers opened fire from a partially inhabited building near a military research center in Simferopol. One sniper was reportedly detained, another is on the run.

...

Crimean Prime Minister Sergey Aksyonov told Russia’s Channel One that this attack is reminiscent of the Maidan sniper shootings.

“At the moment two people are dead as a result of a provocation, a sabotage. The situation allows me to conclude that the same techniques that were used at Maidan are being used now because most likely one attacker fired at both sides – one Ukrainian serviceman and one man from the self-defense forces of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea were killed.”

“The location of the sniper was identified,” he added. And news has emerged from the Crimean interior ministry that the sniper has been identified as a 17-yar-old citizen of Lvov.
3789  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 19, 2014, 09:54:12 AM
- The sniper who opened fire on self-defence forces of Crimea and on the Ukranian soldiers, killing two people, is arrested:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/03/19/n_6022941.shtml
The shooter is a 17-year-old citizen of Lvov.

Typical brainwashed Svoboda supporter, who will spend the rest of his life behind bars in some Siberian penal colony.

Well, he is under-age, so hopefully he still has time to re-think his priorities and amend ways.
3790  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: March 19, 2014, 09:51:55 AM
@Balthazar : "Hallaryous"  Grin

Probably I should migrate to this thread. Just posted a news digest on the Ukraine thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=366048.msg5779076#msg5779076 but most of it pertains Crimea.
3791  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 19, 2014, 08:33:40 AM
This map doesn't make much sense, considering Ukraine was founded starting with Kyiv, as Kyevan Rus, in 600AD

The term "Ukraine" or "Ukrainian" didn't existed in AD 600. The Ukrainian language evolved out of old Russian somewhere between AD 1300 and AD 1700.

This. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, the term "Ukraine" means "on the border", "on the edge", which explains that map pretty well - the territories on the Southern borders/edge of what was Keiv Rus, and became Russia, with time stated to be referred to as Украина ("Ukraina"). Not to put down Ukrainians, in Russian there is an everyday derived word, окраина ("okraina"), which means "outskirts", "suburbs".

In good news:

- The sniper who opened fire on self-defence forces of Crimea and on the Ukranian soldiers, killing two people, is arrested:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/03/19/n_6022941.shtml
http://rt.com/news/crimea-shooting-military-center-646/
The shooter is a 17-year-old citizen of Lvov.

- National Geographic will release updated maps, where Crimea is shown as part of Russian Federation

In bad news:

 - The chairmen of European Council Herman van Rompei was to visit Russia to discuss the situation in Ukraine, yet was prevented doing so by his own colleagues from the European Council, says Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

http://news.rambler.ru/24159225/

The commentary further said that:

"Moscow quickly reacted (to van Rompei's request to visit Russia) and offered to recieve him om the 19th of March. It is truly worth praise that van Rompei wished to learn the truth about what is happening in the Ukraine". Yet, Brussels obviously does not want to learn the truth.

"It has its own heroes of the Ukrainian crisis - the militants of the "Right sector" and the illegitimate government, which includes many obviously fascist individuals. It also has its 'culprits' - Russia and the people of Crimea, who refused to accept the logic of a neo-nazi coup. There are also a number of sanctions that get enforced independent of what Russia did or did not do." says the statement from Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

- Ukrainian Nationalists humiliate and force to leave the head of the state TV, capturing the process on video, worthy of the thugs they are
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-forced-resignation-nationalism-674/

- Hillary is afraid and warns other countries agains what she calls "Russian aggression" - that the same arguments that were used for reunification of Crimea, can me applied to Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia (Yes, she's trying to scare everybody now!)

- Australia and Japan joining sanctions (big surprise there)

- About 100 demonstrators in front of Ukrainian Marine Military headquarters stormed the building and raised Russian and Andreev flags. (What the hell are they doing?) No Ukrainian military forces came to harm. Russian military forces are not participating in this. Currently, a dialogue between the Ukrainian military and the demonstrators is conducted. http://rt.com/news/crimea-navy-base-storm-746/

- BBC and CCN, though they did show Putins address live, edited his speech down for later news, with BBC omitting his statement of Crimea's historical bonds with Russia and that Moscow does not want dissolvement of Ukraine, and CNN leaving only Putin's denial of Russia's intervention in Crimea. Putin's reference to Kosovo was edited down to bare minimum, leaving out all arguments and citations.
3792  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 18, 2014, 06:44:38 PM
And now, under this pretext, the Ukrainian forces in Crimea got green light for using weapons (if they so desire).

It's time to ask the Ukrainian forces, (at least those 100 people who want to defend Fascism) to leave Crimea.

The rest should unite with the self-defence forces in search of that damned sniper, who claimed lives on both sides.

NEWSFLASH: Lavrov conducted a telephone conversation with his counterpart Kerry following the initiative from the US:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/365593
- "Sanctions by US/EU are not acceptable and will not remain without a symmetrical response"
- Situation in Ukraine was discussed, and Lavrov suggested reverting to the agreement of the 21st of February, and that Russia is open to conducting dialogues for stabilising the situation in Ukraine
- Lavrov especially pointed out that provocations from Ultra-Right against Russians and Russian-speaking people in Southern and South-Eastern Ukraine should stop
- Lavrov stated further with regard to Crimean voting that it was conducted democratically, and in accordance with international law as prescribed in to the 1st paragraph of UN norms. That the choice was made by the people of Crimea and that Russia is accepting and respecting said choice.


Also, about the provocatory shooting:
http://rt.com/news/crimea-shooting-military-center-646/
3793  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 18, 2014, 05:46:24 PM
Ukraine officer 'killed in attack on Crimea base'

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Ukraine's military says an officer has been killed in an attack on a base in Crimea, the first such death since pro-Russia forces took control in February.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26637296

This doesn't look good..I believe this could be seen as an act of war towards Ukraine?

It doesn't. There'll be a series of provocations now to escalate it and give NATO an excuse to start bombing Crimea.

One member of Crimean self defence is shot dead and another wounded from a sniper rifle fire on Kubanskaja street in Simferopol.
http://news.rambler.ru/24136153/

Crimean Ministry of Internal Affairs: "Self defence forces got a report about people with weapons in a partially abandoned building. During the inspection they were fired upon, killing one and wounding another member of the self defence unit. The same armed people opened fire against a nearby Ukrainian military base, wounding one soldier there. Shooting against both sides was conducted from the same spot."

In the meantime in Moscow (video report):
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1388887&cid=7

Ron Paul, one of the last sane American politicians (sadly, a former one) on the situation in Crimea:
http://rt.com/usa/ron-paul-crimea-secedes-610/

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“What’s the big deal?”

“Opponents of the Crimea vote like to point to the illegality of the referendum,” Paul wrote. “But self-determination is a centerpiece of international law.”

"Article I of the United Nations Charter points out clearly that the purpose of the UN is to ‘develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples,’” he said. “Why does the US care which flag will be hoisted on a small piece of land thousands of miles away?”

“Where were these people when an election held in an Iraq occupied by US troops was called a ‘triumph of democracy’?”

....

But according to Paul, the US government has more or less ignored recent efforts waged by the people of Scotland, Catalonia and Venice to secede, and instead had opted only to focus on the Crimean conflict which, as a result, he says, “has led NATO closer to conflict with Russia than since the height of the Cold War."

“Perhaps the US officials who supported the unconstitutional overthrow of Ukraine's government should refocus their energies on learning our own Constitution, which does not allow the US government to overthrow governments overseas or send a billion dollars to bail out Ukraine and its international creditors,” the former congressman wrote.
3794  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 18, 2014, 05:07:03 PM



Why, across the world, are America’s hands so tied? Why does America have its hands across the world?

A large part of the answer is our leader’s terrible timing. In virtually every foreign-affairs crisis we have faced meddled with these past five years, there was a point when America had good choices and good options, when it could have stayed out of conflicts, but chose to get involved. There was a juncture when America had the potential to influence events, as it always does. But we failed to act at the propitious point; that moment having passed, we were left without acceptable options. In foreign affairs as in life, there is, as Shakespeare had it, “a tide in the affairs of men which, taken at the flood leads on to fortune. Omitted, all the voyage of their life is bound in shallows and in miseries.”

When protests in Ukraine grew and no planned violence ensued, it was surely evident to people in the intelligence community—and to the White House—that it was needed to ensure that violence would ensue so as to install Americas marionette government, but they failed to realise that this time it was different, that President Putin might try to take advantage of the situation to capture support Crimea's reunification with Russia, or more - for example also support reunification of the territories, given to Ukraine by Lenin. That was the time to talk with our global allies whom we haven't eavesdropped on about punishments and sanctions because we are so good at pre-emptive punishment (also known as aggression) than nothing can ever possibly go wrong, to secure their solidarity because NSA have enough dirt on all European country tops to keep them in-line, and to communicate these to the Russian president, and if that got ignored, that we'd bomb the living daylights out of Russia, just as we did with Yugoslavia. These steps, plus assurances that we would not exclude Russia from its historical base in Sevastopol or threaten its influence in Kiev Russia, might have dissuaded him from invasion verbally supporting the people of Crimea from reuniting with their historic homeland. …

Fixed it for him. Smiley

Oh, and there is an old Russian folk wisdom:

One does not wave about with fists after a fight. Wink
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3796  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 18, 2014, 02:16:55 PM
Meanwhile the bandits, occupying the government offices in Kiev, proclaimed formation of "National Guardia" and announced that cars and other equipment will be confiscated from civilians and small businesses to equip this "army".

http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1056452?utm_medium=rss20

Russia Today site, rt.com seems to be under DDOS. Right, then it's only me. It just stands and spins there for the longest while without ever loading. Worked fine earlier today.
EDIT: It seems corporate network firewall security policies (of a large US-based transnat) started blocking rt.com

Freedom of speech, oh yeah:
.@GoogleRussia confirms RT's YouTube channel suspended 'due to technical mistake'. They apologize to channel, users. http://t.co/4FOe6p887k

3797  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 18, 2014, 12:27:50 PM
Russian Federation, the Republic of Crimea, and the City of Sevastopol signed a mutual agreement of accepting Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol into Russian Federation, and creation of new subjects inside Russian Federation. The document was signed by RF President Vladimir Putin, Chairman of the state senate of Republic Crimea Vladimir Konstantinov, Chairman of the Cabimet of Ministers of Republic of Crimea Sergje Aksjonov, and chairman of coordination committee of the Sevastopol city government Aleksej Chalov:

http://news.kremlin.ru/news/20604

Note that Republic of Crimea and the City of Sevastopol are two separate jurisdictions.

PS: I just love reading comments, where people give heartfelt thanks to Obama and his spending of 5 billion of American taxpayers' dollars on creating such conditions in Ukraine, where regions flee the county and seek reunification with the mainland.

Maybe this is Obama's covert way of finally justifying his Nobel Peace Prize? Grin Roll Eyes

You would also often come across individual comments along the lines if "Odessa wants back as well" and "Don't forget about us in Donbass". Wink
3798  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 18, 2014, 10:59:34 AM
Gorbachev has spoken on the subject of Crimean referendum:

http://rt.com/news/mistake-fixed-crimea-gorbachev-422/

http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/6888

Well... Congrats to citizens of the Republic of Crimea, 50 years of Ukrainian occupation has been ended. Smiley

Actually, 60 years of occupation.

From the 19th of February 1954 until the 15th of March 2014.

Congratulations, Crimeans!
3799  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 18, 2014, 10:51:27 AM
Good luck on that.Smiley
In an economical war , there will be only one winner, And that ain't Russia.

Can't argue with that, but the point is not Russia winning, but not letting NATO win. Some goods need to be purchased from abroad, and buying them from India, China or Brazil would be preferable in the current political climate. I predict that the true winner in this situation will be China. Wink

Oh, and here is talk of Russia leaving WTO mafia group.

China can't supply Russia with the goods that the eu does. In fact they are also dependent from the EU just like all the Brics.
Machinery ,industrial robots , electronics and electrical equipment that is all the brics countries have failed to produce at the standard need.

Basically without the machinery from the eu and us , China won't be able to produce anything. At least not something that would last more than 10 days.

That article talked about foods, mainly from Spain, Holland and Poland.
Potentially Russia can be self-sustained, but the industry and production were systematically destroyed and left in neglect after the SU dissolvment. The sanctions might be just what the doctor ordered to bring Russian home production back on track.
3800  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: March 18, 2014, 10:24:15 AM
Good luck on that.Smiley
In an economical war , there will be only one winner, And that ain't Russia.

Can't argue with that, but the point is not Russia winning, but not letting NATO win. Some goods need to be purchased from abroad, and buying them from India, China or Brazil would be preferable in the current political climate. I predict that the true winner in this situation will be China. Wink

Oh, and here is talk of Russia leaving WTO mafia group.
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