Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution.

[hobbes]

It seems politicians will take any risk to distract from domestic (financial) problems these days.

And there would have been a so much more elegant solution for Putin: Enforce an independent Crimea today. In two years let them vote on joining the UDSSR.

[Balthazar]

Crimea depends on water, gas and electricity supplies from the Ukrainian territory. Ukrainian fascist government wouldn't allow their infrastructure and economy to survive. They don't have enough time to create new infrastructure, that's why the Crimea won't be sustainable as fully independent republic. Crimea should be included, at least formally, into Russia or Turkey in order to survive. This would be able to protect them against the malicious infrastructure services manipulation.

[Nemo1024]

This map doesn't make much sense, considering Ukraine was founded starting with Kyiv, as Kyevan Rus, in 600AD

The term "Ukraine" or "Ukrainian" didn't existed in AD 600. The Ukrainian language evolved out of old Russian somewhere between AD 1300 and AD 1700.

This. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, the term "Ukraine" means "on the border", "on the edge", which explains that map pretty well - the territories on the Southern borders/edge of what was Keiv Rus, and became Russia, with time stated to be referred to as Укpaинa ("Ukraina"). Not to put down Ukrainians, in Russian there is an everyday derived word, oкpaинa ("okraina"), which means "outskirts", "suburbs".

In good news:

- The sniper who opened fire on self-defence forces of Crimea and on the Ukranian soldiers, killing two people, is arrested:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/03/19/n_6022941.shtml
http://rt.com/news/crimea-shooting-military-center-646/
The shooter is a 17-year-old citizen of Lvov.

- National Geographic will release updated maps, where Crimea is shown as part of Russian Federation

In bad news:

 - The chairmen of European Council Herman van Rompei was to visit Russia to discuss the situation in Ukraine, yet was prevented doing so by his own colleagues from the European Council, says Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

http://news.rambler.ru/24159225/

The commentary further said that:

"Moscow quickly reacted (to van Rompei's request to visit Russia) and offered to recieve him om the 19th of March. It is truly worth praise that van Rompei wished to learn the truth about what is happening in the Ukraine". Yet, Brussels obviously does not want to learn the truth.

"It has its own heroes of the Ukrainian crisis - the militants of the "Right sector" and the illegitimate government, which includes many obviously fascist individuals. It also has its 'culprits' - Russia and the people of Crimea, who refused to accept the logic of a neo-nazi coup. There are also a number of sanctions that get enforced independent of what Russia did or did not do." says the statement from Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

- Ukrainian Nationalists humiliate and force to leave the head of the state TV, capturing the process on video, worthy of the thugs they are
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-forced-resignation-nationalism-674/

- Hillary is afraid and warns other countries agains what she calls "Russian aggression" - that the same arguments that were used for reunification of Crimea, can me applied to Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia (Yes, she's trying to scare everybody now!)

- Australia and Japan joining sanctions (big surprise there)

- About 100 demonstrators in front of Ukrainian Marine Military headquarters stormed the building and raised Russian and Andreev flags. (What the hell are they doing?) No Ukrainian military forces came to harm. Russian military forces are not participating in this. Currently, a dialogue between the Ukrainian military and the demonstrators is conducted. http://rt.com/news/crimea-navy-base-storm-746/

- BBC and CCN, though they did show Putins address live, edited his speech down for later news, with BBC omitting his statement of Crimea's historical bonds with Russia and that Moscow does not want dissolvement of Ukraine, and CNN leaving only Putin's denial of Russia's intervention in Crimea. Putin's reference to Kosovo was edited down to bare minimum, leaving out all arguments and citations.

[bryant.coleman]

- The sniper who opened fire on self-defence forces of Crimea and on the Ukranian soldiers, killing two people, is arrested:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/03/19/n_6022941.shtml
The shooter is a 17-year-old citizen of Lvov.

Typical brainwashed Svoboda supporter, who will spend the rest of his life behind bars in some Siberian penal colony.

[Nemo1024]

- The sniper who opened fire on self-defence forces of Crimea and on the Ukranian soldiers, killing two people, is arrested:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/03/19/n_6022941.shtml
The shooter is a 17-year-old citizen of Lvov.

Typical brainwashed Svoboda supporter, who will spend the rest of his life behind bars in some Siberian penal colony.

Well, he is under-age, so hopefully he still has time to re-think his priorities and amend ways.

[falseflag]

- The sniper who opened fire on self-defence forces of Crimea and on the Ukranian soldiers, killing two people, is arrested:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/03/19/n_6022941.shtml
The shooter is a 17-year-old citizen of Lvov.

Typical brainwashed Svoboda supporter, who will spend the rest of his life behind bars in some Siberian penal colony.

i hope so !
and second i hope that the eastern part of the ukraine joins russia too, or declares indipendence from the nazi-kiev-oligarch-nato-puppets.
the usa play a bad game,let the eu (which is stupid as 3m road) get the problems,because the war or civil war is in europe,
 and the usa trying to bring in :monsanto, fracking,exxon,haliburton, and some military outposts because they have only over 700 worldwide.


regards falseflag

[mladen00]

- The sniper who opened fire on self-defence forces of Crimea and on the Ukranian soldiers, killing two people, is arrested:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/03/19/n_6022941.shtml
The shooter is a 17-year-old citizen of Lvov.

Typical brainwashed Svoboda supporter, who will spend the rest of his life behind bars in some Siberian penal colony.

brainwashed fascist.

[Nemo1024]

Soviet Union fell apart because of an oversized war machine, where most of country's production went towards feeding that beast (which had a side effect of breeding an army of bureaucrats with ensuing corruption), while putting common folk's needs last. Useful during war time, counter-productive in a peaceful period. Reminds of the bulging democratic American war machine of today.

During the Soviet coup, just as now, during the Ukrainian overthrow of power, people had very little to say. Some guys met up in a forest and decided that Soviet Union is no more, preliminary locking up the legitimate president of the country.

A certain influence from abroad played its role as well. Not all are convinced that Yeltsin and his environment didn't have overseas masters.

I am not saying that Soviet Union was not on a downward spiral, but Gorbachev at least tried to reform it into a more open, economically feasible union, while meeting huge resistance from the military tops. If Gorbachev succeeded, Soviet Union would become something akin to the European Union, but who needs a strong union - divide an conquer (this also applies to the current state of EU, which is being systematically destroyed).

[Nemo1024]

It's just a word that means the same thing as hinterland, or back-country. It's far from the Baltic Sea ports, and also partly isolated by the Carpathian mountains from the south.

No, it does not. It means what I wrote it means - "at the border", "near the edge".
Back-country would be "зaдвopки".

Besides, Ukraina has rich productive agricultural lands, which compensate not having sea ports, so what's your point?

It's not an invitation for Russian thieves.

Thieves?

A band of government officials enters you home, takes your wife, gives it to your neighbour, then leaves.
Your wife breaks down the neighbour's door and you protect her while she flees, after which you are labelled as a thief of your neighbour's woman.

That's what happened with Crimea.

Oh, and Poland are more than welcome to have the Western-Ukrainian territories back, if the people of Western Ukraine vote for it in a referendum (which they probably would do)

Forward-quoting:

The US also had an oversized war machine the entire time from the 1940s ~ 1980s, but they did not fall apart so your theory is incorrect.

I'd like to add a keyword to that sentence: yet. The symptoms that Us displays are very much akin to those shown by SU during the last years of its existence.

Also, you are mixing up planned economy and communism. One does not imply the other, and vice versa.

[Nemo1024]

It's just a word that means the same thing as hinterland, or back-country. It's far from the Baltic Sea ports, and also partly isolated by the Carpathian mountains from the south. It's not an invitation for Russian thieves.

Thieves?

A band of government officials enters you home, takes your wife, gives it to your neighbour, then leaves.
Your wife breaks down the neighbour's door and you protect her while she flees, after which you are labelled as a thief of your neighbour's woman.

That's what happened with Crimea.

I thought it was some big celebration of a 300 year anniversary in 1954. But hey, what do I know?

Besides, your analogy is bullshit. The USSR gave Crimea as a present to itself, because Ukraine was under USSR control anyway. Now you guys have been manipulated into whining like babies. Surely, Ukraine was an independent, sovereign country this entire time since about 1990 so what's your fucking problem? Russia doesn't LIKE the new leaders because it was an evil coup? Stop interfering.

No.

Russia was under USSR control as well, please don't forget that.

Nikita Hrushov, gave Crimea (taking it from Russia) as a personal favour present to Ukrainian SSR so as to gain support from the Ukrainian Communist Party tops (who were the most numerous after the ones in Russia, and some of the most influential in USSR). Hrushov started a process of demoting the cult of Stalin, yet he himself had blood on his hands, Ukrainian blood not the least. Crimea also served the purpose of "righting the wrongs" and making those in power in Ukraine "forget" what Hrushov did.

That present was unconstitutional - the constitution of USSR did not have provisions for transferring parts of one member state to another member state.

Finally, this transfer met resistance among locals, resistance which never abated and which I witnessed myself when I went to Crimea both in the Soviet era and after USSR dissolved. Even the leader of the Communist Party of Crimea spoke against it, for which he was removed from his post.

[AnonyMint]

Armstrong demonstrates he is a student of history. Here is the true and complete story:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/18/the-us-did-not-cause-the-fall-of-the-soviet-union-that-is-a-false-belief-on-both-sides/

Also Eastern Europe just created a reason for Russia to invade them:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/18/eastern-europe-moves-for-energy-from-us/

That was a stupid move!

[Nemo1024]

As for investigations into the sniper killings, Russia is interfering by giving Russian citizenship to the Berkut officers so they could avoid being investigated.

Russian citizenship is given to all who ask for it.

As for prosecutions, don't forget to prosecute those 10 militia members gunned down by sniper fire and many Berkut officers stabbed, kicked and bludgeoned to death by peaceful masked men with full body armour.

Armstrong demonstrates he is a student of history. Here is the true and complete story:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/18/the-us-did-not-cause-the-fall-of-the-soviet-union-that-is-a-false-belief-on-both-sides/

An interesting read. Especially the three concluding paragraphs. The world could have been a much more peaceful place, if not for all the nose-rubbing.
Russia is not there yet, but one can take only so much nose-rubbing. History should be remembered. For example what happened with Germany after it lost WWI, and was treated like shit with all the sanctions and humiliation.

Also Eastern Europe just created a reason for Russia to invade them:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/18/eastern-europe-moves-for-energy-from-us/

That was a stupid move!

Nah, I don't think Russia would care. Russia is not about to invade anybody.
If someone wants to join Russia, go ahead and vote for it on the local level, and Russia would give you a brotherly welcome.
Taking a territory by force never leads to anything good.

[Nemo1024]

A small addition to one of my previous posts with an analogy.

While I still think my "domestic life" analogy is quite relevant, here is a more political one, geared towards Americans. One thing to remember first, is that individual republics within USSR had the same, if not bigger, level of autonomous government as the individual States of the USA, except for Russia, which de-facto seized to exist, and everyone treated its territories as he saw fit (starting with Lenin, who allowed secession of Finland and gave a part of Russia to newly-formed Ukrainian SSR)

Think of this scenario:

To commemorate New Jersey Constitution, Obama decides to give Manhattan as a present to New Jersey. The decision is presented during an informal dinner party with the Senators, who after having partaken some brandy nod in agreement. Next day this decision is presented to the American Nation as fact accompli.

That's what happened to Crimea in 1954.

[Balthazar]

Nice example, because USA and USSR are like twin brothers. Slightly different ideology (liberalism vs. state capitalism), but identical structure and methods... And the same destruction process is working.

[247crypto]

Russian citizenship is given to all who ask for it.

Lie. Try yourself to ask it.

[247crypto]

Illegality still in Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgUhGo6CbKQ

[Nemo1024]

Russian citizenship is given to all who ask for it.

Lie. Try yourself to ask it.

It would take me about a month or less to receive it.

Sorry, I should have been more precise: Any Russian expatriot or Russian national, who ended up outside of the borders of RF after the SU dissolvement is entitled to Russian citizenship using either a "simplified procedure" or a "birth-right procedure". There are also standard procedure for receiving Russian citizenship, but the criteria allowing you to apply for one are pretty wide, and much wider than the ones allowing to apply for US citizenship.

For more info:
http://www.kdmid.ru/cons.aspx?lst=cnslfunk&it=/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B%20%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B0%20-%20%D0%98%D0%BD%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%20%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B5.aspx

B гpaждaнcтвo Poccийcкoй Фeдepaции в yпpoщeннoм пopядкe пpинимaютcя гpaждaнe и лицa бeз гpaждaнcтвa, пpoживaющиe нa тeppитopии Poccии:
- вeтepaны BOB, имeвшиe гpaждaнcтвo CCCP;
- тe, ктo poдилcя нa тeppитopии PCФCP и имeл гpaждaнcтвo CCCP;
- лицa, cocтoящиe в бpaкe c гpaждaнинoм Poccии нe мeнee тpex лeт;
- нeтpyдocпocoбныe инocтpaнныe гpaждaнe или лицa бeз гpaждaнcтвa, имeющиe дeecпocoбныx coвepшeннoлeтниx cынa или дoчь, являющиxcя poccийcкими гpaждaнaми.

Лицaм, пpoживaющим нa тeppитopии Poccии, пo вoпpocaм пpиoбpeтeния гpaждaнcтвa Poccийcкoй Фeдepaции нeoбxoдимo oбpaщaтьcя в тeppитopиaльныe opгaны Фeдepaльнoй мигpaциoннoй cлyжбы пo мecтy житeльcтвa, a тe, ктo живeт зa pyбeжoм, oбcтoятeльныe paзъяcнeния пo вceм acпeктaм пpиeмa в гpaждaнcтвo мoгyт пoлyчить в диплoмaтичecкиx пpeдcтaвитeльcтвax и кoнcyльcкиx yчpeждeнияx Poccийcкoй Фeдepaции.

In bold: - those who was born on the territory of Russian SSR and had USSR citizenship.

There are also programs in place to help people return to Russia.

[AnonyMint]

Also Eastern Europe just created a reason for Russia to invade them:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/18/eastern-europe-moves-for-energy-from-us/

That was a stupid move!

Nah, I don't think Russia would care. Russia is not about to invade anybody.
If someone wants to join Russia, go ahead and vote for it on the local level, and Russia would give you a brotherly welcome.
Taking a territory by force never leads to anything good.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/19/russia-threatens-estonia-17th-member-of-eurozone/

[Balthazar]

Now Estonia is just like "elusive Joe" from the famous novel, because it wouldn't provide any strategic benefits. The same is correct for Latvia and Lithuania, also we shouldn't forget that their economy is about to be collapsed. I don't think that anybody would like to get their debts in exchange for nothing.

[pioter]

Russian citizenship is given to all who ask for it.

Lie. Try yourself to ask it.

you cannot ask, putin ask for you