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381  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: November 23, 2014, 04:08:52 PM
and you can do all of that, IF you had  a better name...its not so much the idea we dont like its the fact that you could get yourself in alot of trouble for using SOMEONE elses name, change the name and you might have a chance, provided your not already in trouble

The entire concept is in the name and two logos related to that name.
As an artist, provided that everything that I do here and with my coins, is part of my art, I will be fine, unless approached against the law. But for these companies to use illegal acts it have to be much bigger than the things that I do. And I will make sure to stay within that safe zone. 
382  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 23, 2014, 11:42:17 AM
Lets try to move the conversation to a more productive level. I will conclude that previous section  with this important remark.

Our national social organisation is so powerful since our democracies have been such a success in terms of getting people to cooperate on behalf of the commonwealth, and this
 power, now expressed in dangerous  concentration of the wealth, is posing the only real threat to our individual existence.

At the state of current affairs, at any given moment, any state can declare bitcoin to be a risk for national security regarding it as a venue for terrorist financing.
Of course it is the banks which actualy finance all that activity around the globe but they structurally run all governments.


It is the mechanism of liberalism which did separate between religion and state but not between state and currency that is failing at this point of our history.

The only powers which can  change that are the corporates. They can bring about the separation between states and currency. Bitcoin itself is the technology, but it needs the powerful economic organisations to stand behind it.

All these corporates traded on the stock market are by the structure of our economy, obligated to maximize profit. and they will have to create their own coins once the first one will.
All I do here is forcing them to look at that and realize it.

There are many other ways to do it and all of you are contributing to it.
I do it using the tools of conceptual deconstruction  which are the tools of an artist .
I dont need you to buy a single coin. I just need you to allow this to continue and not censor it and stand by me as long as this forum and alike are centralized.

I am taking the action to take my coins out of that forum and have it existed in the real world. but in order to get the attention this require, I do count on the exposure of the forum, in terms of virtual presence.
383  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: November 23, 2014, 11:41:36 AM
Lets try to move the conversation to a more productive level. I will conclude that previous section  with this important remark.

Our national social organisation is so powerful since our democracies have been such a success in terms of getting people to cooperate on behalf of the commonwealth, and this
 power, now expressed in dangerous  concentration of the wealth, is posing the only real threat to our individual existence.

At the state of current affairs, at any given moment, any state can declare bitcoin to be a risk for national security regarding it as a venue for terrorist financing.
Of course it is the banks which actualy finance all that activity around the globe but they structurally run all governments.


It is the mechanism of liberalism which did separate between religion and state but not between state and currency that is failing at this point of our history.

The only powers which can  change that are the corporates. They can bring about the separation between states and currency. Bitcoin itself is the technology, but it needs the powerful economic organisations to stand behind it.

All these corporates traded on the stock market are by the structure of our economy, obligated to maximize profit. and they will have to create their own coins once the first one will.
All I do here is forcing them to look at that and realize it.

There are many other ways to do it and all of you are contributing to it.
I do it using the tools of conceptual deconstruction  which are the tools of an artist .
I dont need you to buy a single coin. I just need you to allow this to continue and not censor it and stand by me as long as this forum and alike are centralized.

I am taking the action to take my coins out of that forum and have it existed in the real world. but in order to get the attention this require, I do count on the exposure of the forum, in terms of virtual presence.
384  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 22, 2014, 09:18:42 AM



MICKEY: What is our part on the IDISNEY coin team now? Im a bit confused.

MINNIE: We are still the presenters of the coin.

MICKEY: But something did changed.

MINNIE: We realized the freedom of representation.

MICKEY: As being clones?

MINNIE: No! As being the product of a clone. " It is not my fault I was drawn that way"

MICKEY: So it is humans which are clones, not cartoons?

MINNIE:  Humans, cartoons, and every idea ever to be materialised. These are all clones in the eyes of the beholder..



385  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 22, 2014, 08:22:21 AM
instead of creating cruddy copyright infringements actually go to disney or coke explain it to em

By making these cruddy copyright infringements I actualy force both disney and coke to invest in learning the subject of crypto-currency and eventually to be payed  for forcing them to learn it.
It is also a very challenging and interesting project for me as an artist. So I will continue with it.
It might actually turn out to be the lawyers which will be the first to appreciate my work here as art and will buy it as investment.
386  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 21, 2014, 08:52:56 PM





MICKEY: I cant wait to hear your explanation.

MINNIE: You, and the Disney lawyers too.

MICKEY: So how cloning is different from multiplications?

MINNIE: Creation is the cloning of an original, engineered to diversify through multiplications, which create uniqueness.   

MICKEY:  The difference between cloning and multiplication, Ninnie.

MINNIE: while a clone may appear different or behave different it is engineered the same.
 Multiplication is the abstract of "same" 

MICKEY: But IP includes engineering legal rights too, not only visual copies.

MINNIE: True, but we have never been considered engineered, only a visual depictions.

MICKEY: I think that you just gave the lawyers a way to come up with justifications to slave us again..

MINNIE: No, I just gave them a busy weekend.

MICKEY:Can't they claim us an engineered intellectual property? 

MINNIE: Only if they can prove it, and for this they will need mathematicians .

MICKEY: To prove what exactly? .

MINNIE: That we have been dubble spent.








387  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 21, 2014, 12:00:51 PM

MINNIE: I think that we have done enough to establish our identity.

MICKEY: No cloning here only multiples.

MINNIE: Not even multiples, only different presentation of the same perception.

MICKEY: Do you think that they can establish IP valuation based on perception?  .

MINNIE: If they can I am Einstein.  

MICKEY: Is Einstein a real character or like Satoshi, a fictional genius?

MINNIE: Unless he made a mistake he is not a woman

MICKEY:  you mean human?!.



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MICKEY: Since you are not Einstein Im still a bit concern with that IP issue, are you sure Disney can't hurt us?.

MINNIE: We might need Satoshi's help to establish our claim.

MICKEY: Can you phrase our claim in one sentence.

MINNIE: It is actualy two claims.

MICKEY: OK then two sentences .

MINNIE: 1.  If we are clones and not multiples of the original Mickey and Minnie, no IP constraints applies to us as clones.
 2. If we establish the multiplicity of perception, than even if our visual image presentation
 is the same, our existence in reality can be different.


MICKEY : Wow, did Satoshi told you that?! OMG I think that he Did he got back to you.










MINNIE: You see, this is how rumors start.

MICKEY: So you did not speak with Satoshi directly?

MINNIE: Maybe only directly, but that I would not know for sure until he will confirm.

MICKEY: And what do you mean by that?

MINNIE: There is a lot we don't know about communication and information flow.

MICKEY: Like channeling?! This is spiritual bulshit, we are talking about rational thinking.

MINNIE: Is it less rational than time traveling through wormhole to parallel universe?  

MICKEY: Parallel Universe?! That is stupid..

MINNIE: Well, not if you insist to be a clone rather than multiplication of yourself  

MICKEY: Yes Einstein, can you explain yourself?

MINNIE: LOL actualy I can but on the next sequence. This one is getting too long.




388  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 21, 2014, 09:13:35 AM

MINNIE: I think that we have done enough to establish our identity.

MICKEY: No cloning here only multiples.

MINNIE: Not even multiples, only different presentation of the same perception.

MICKEY: Do you think that they can establish IP valuation based on perception?  .

MINNIE: If they can I am Einstein.  

MICKEY: Is Einstein a real character or like Satoshi, a fictional genius?

MINNIE: Unless he made a mistake he is not a woman

MICKEY:  you mean human?!.



[/quote



MICKEY: Since you are not Einstein Im still a bit concern with that IP issue, are you sure Disney can't hurt us?.

MINNIE: We might need Satoshi's help to establish our claim.

MICKEY: Can you phrase our claim in one sentence.

MINNIE: It is actualy two claims.

MICKEY: OK then two sentences .

MINNIE: 1.  If we are clones and not multiples of the original Mickey and Minnie, no IP constraints applies to us as clones.
 2. If we establish the multiplicity of perception, than even if our visual image presentation
 is the same, our existence in reality can be different.


MICKEY : Wow, did Satoshi told you that?! OMG I think that he Did he got back to you.





389  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 21, 2014, 08:35:49 AM

MINNIE: I think that we have done enough to establish our identity.

MICKEY: No cloning here only multiples.

MINNIE: Not even multiples, only different presentation of the same perception.

MICKEY: Do you think that they can establish IP valuation based on perception?  .

MINNIE: If they can I am Einstein. 

MICKEY: Is Einstein a real character or like Satoshi, a fictional genius?

MINNIE: Unless he made a mistake he is not a woman

MICKEY:  you mean human?!.



390  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 21, 2014, 07:40:12 AM

MINNIE: I am a red stripe.

MICKEY: I am a blue stripe.

MINNIE: I am red.

MICKEY: I am blue.

MINNIE: I am.

MICKEY: I.

MINNIE: .






MINNIE: I am a red stripe.

MICKEY: I am a blue stripe.

MINNIE: I am red.

MICKEY: I am blue.

MINNIE: I am.

MICKEY: I.

MINNIE: .
391  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: November 20, 2014, 07:18:19 PM
So what you are saying is that your "art" is nothing more than a collection of other people's work posted/or printed?  Post pictures of your older art, why would we want to invest coin in something that you didn't create.

 OK since you really ask for it, here is a photo of some smaller pieces of my old work which I took out to reorganize



and roiled up bigger paintings



and a closeup of an oil painting



print quality of all paintings I will post on a website soon
392  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 20, 2014, 07:01:57 PM




MICKEY: Did you noticed the white between the red and blue stripes?.

MINNIE: You mean between this...

MICKEY: ...and that

MINNIE: Mickey

MICKEY: This and also that above.

MINNIE: You know what it makes me think of?

MICKEY: The IUSA?.


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MINNIE: I am a red stripe.

MICKEY: I am a blue stripe.

MINNIE: I am red.

MICKEY: I am blue.

MINNIE: I am.

MICKEY: I.

MINNIE: .


393  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: November 20, 2014, 03:33:21 PM
I don't want coins, because there have been no pics of YOUR art, just shit logos you have stole off the net...  Let's see what you personally have created.

That "shit logos" are part of my art. the way I use it is part of the art. The coins are part of the art. This thread and the way I use the logos and more so the the conceptual use of IP as reference, it is all part of that piece. This is not something you can hang in your living room for decoration. But all this is not the things that I sell you now when I sell you the coin. The coins will buy prints of my images of bottles and cola that are made as part of this project . The coins will also have the value which the market will add to it. assuming that theses are the first real crypto Coca-Cola coins, They might be worth everything that the company will be willing to pay to take it off the market by having to buy them all. And it might even be worth more than all of the above by being appreciated as art. But for this to happen, people in the art world have to understand cryptocurrency, and Coca-Cola or Disney or other corporate will have to come out with their own crypto-currency. And this may take some time.

As far as having images of my older art that you can use to hang  for decoration,  I will have these out and you will be more than welcome to print for free and hang on your wall,
The original work however, which are oil paintings and mix media, you will be able to buy only by using my NILI Coin.

This trip to NYC is to develop the entire art complex of this Coca-Cola coin and Disney coin. The physical art show will feature the Actual work that is for sell for the coins. Most of this work will be produced there, but the content and many of the visuals are already in the thread and are getting developed here. Once these images as physical work will be done I will post them in a website as well.

As you see there is still a lot of work to be done' but all the raw materials are created here as part of that thread.

And finally I dont expect many here to understand this and run to buy my coins. All that I need at this point is have your attention, and if you will follow that closely Im sure that you will be able to get in on time to make a nice profit. I dont want anyone to risk a Satoshi on this without understanding the things I do here as an artist, and I much rather see you going in checking on it and investing only when you start understanding. As an artist that is much more dear to me then your dollars.
394  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: November 19, 2014, 09:17:13 PM
Please post pics of your bottles, you art, hell yourself!!  I want to start selling.

Problem with that is you have NO CURRENCY, no QT wallet, no blockchain.  There is no icoke coin or idisney coin in the counterparty web site.

The only way to get your currency is the buy it with another currency and so on.  It all comes back to you are trying to make USD, and you are doing to with other peoples trademarks.

I want USDs also!!   I want to make it with your work!!  So far we have seen nothing other than rants from you.


you can buy the coins on the counterwalet exchange market I keep my sell order and renew it every 5 days after it expires .
The option to exchange with BTC was removed due to some changes so I could sell it for xcp or other token. I did put it to sell for xcp for the value of 0.01 bitcoin (but since both are so volatile I cant actualy keep the price fixt to the bitcoin as I was intended to do.

The coins are not featured on the website, but they are on the exchange. Once you have a wallet go to  exchange and click on markets, once in markets you will see the option on the left hand side as "top pair".

So far I just offered it to sell this way, I actual much rather get BTC than USD but since I will need to open it to the public and make is simpler I will devise the right way to make it accessible. There are a few things to consider befor  I do this.
Anyway if you want to get the coins you can right now (it takes a long time to get all the confirmations , try to get just a few at first to get comfortable)
395  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: November 19, 2014, 08:10:07 AM
I don't know how you can even say this is a coin, you are selling a product (a bootleg product at that).  This thread should be in the Marketplace area not here!!
This is actualy a very important point People should understand about currency. Currency is a product.It is a product that let us communicate the exchange of most of things we need in order to live. without a currency we can not survive. It is also a product as being a "store of value" .
Because we let it be describe as something other than a product, it stayed as a monopoly that is "too big to fail" and getting bigger.
The invention of bitcoin is the cure, practiced by a free market of currency as a product. My coins illustrate that concept, of a coin being a product, which is indid a sort of heresy in the conceptual world held by the church of central banking. All the coins created here are products which allow for the exchange of other goods to take place, and are also a product that serve as store of value.

When I put my bottle product to sell using my currency, it leaves in my hands the power to create credit for myself. Being Nili, it may not be that much, but being Coca-Cola or Disney, is different, and I as john doe  then could choose which credit to use to buy my home. And that would be the point when the central banking church will become only one of many choices to be made. not so central and not a monopoly.
396  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 18, 2014, 05:38:56 PM




MICKEY: Did you noticed the white between the red and blue stripes?.

MINNIE: You mean between this...

MICKEY: ...and that

MINNIE: Mickey

MICKEY: This and also that above.

MINNIE: You know what it makes me think of?

MICKEY: The IUSA?.


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397  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: November 18, 2014, 03:59:24 PM
I think it is going to take some time for people to figure out how big this is. There should be a big pr push/investment behind this too to spread awareness.
I will be coming to NYC soon to organize my upcoming art show : ON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS. The art show will feature my Art-coins  ICOKE and IDISNEY.
I will post here all relevant detail as well as relevant pieces which will be later featured in the art show.
I would like to note again that the work I do here on the thread is an integral part of my coin. the fact that I often use images rather than words is due to the spacial characteristic of my coin and the massage that it caries which can not be express using words only. Thus I expect the moderator of the forum to realize this and do not  interfere with my actions . Also for thous of you who feel that I use that forum in a way that hurt its reputation or violate underwrite rules, I do in did understand the difficulty to see how I actualy serve your goals and not hurt them. I would  however urge you to watch this unfold and would appreciate any comments that is made with respect and with the intention to communicate.

STANDING ON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS




The British two pound coin bears the inscription
 STANDING ON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS
 on its edge; this is intended as a quotation of Newton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_giants



 Smiley
398  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: November 18, 2014, 03:57:50 PM
I think it is going to take some time for people to figure out how big this is. There should be a big pr push/investment behind this too to spread awareness.
I will be coming to NYC soon to organize my upcoming art show : ON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS. The art show will feature my Art-coins  ICOKE and IDISNEY.
I will post here all relevant detail as well as relevant pieces which will be later featured in the art show.
I would like to note again that the work I do here on the thread is an integral part of my coin. the fact that I often use images rather than words is due to the spacial characteristic of my coin and the massage that it caries which can not be express using words only. Thus I expect the moderator of the forum to realize this and do not  interfere with my actions . Also for thous of you who feel that I use that forum in a way that hurt its reputation or violate underwrite rules, I do in did understand the difficulty to see how I actualy serve your goals and not hurt them. I would  however urge you to watch this unfold and would appreciate any comments that is made with respect and with the intention to communicate.

STANDING ON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS




The British two pound coin bears the inscription
 STANDING ON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS
 on its edge; this is intended as a quotation of Newton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_giants
Thank you that was a nice comment. 
399  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 18, 2014, 02:56:57 PM
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MINNIE: That last thing we did was real fun, Mickey.

MICKEY: Yah, viva la decentralize!!!

MINNIE: "Decentralize" rock!

MICKEY:  A Decentralized celebration.

MINNIE: Hey, we should celebrate our IP freedom and the triumph of crypto-transactions.

MICKEY: Lets have a party then

MINNIE: Yes lets do it!! We need to think of the color theme for our party.  














MICKEY: We need to think of the intellectual theme of our party, not the color scheme, Minnie.

MINNIE: It is color 'theme' not 'scheme'

MICKEY: But color is not a theme.

MINNIE: Saying that color is not an intellectual theme is like saying that it is not a thing.

MICKEY: Well, color is not a thing, it is a wave-length.

MINNIE: So is it the wave-length which defines us?

MICKEY: and the size too.









MINNIE: If the size defines us too, we are a "thing" not only color.

MICKEY: Well, Im not sure that a square being two dimensional is a thing at all.

MINNIE: Now I finally get it.

MICKEY:get what?

MINNIE: The reason they treat us like intellectual property and not simply a property.

MICKEY: I don't follow you, is intelect a two dimensional entity?

MINNIE: Yes, and signals are too.

MICKEY: I guess thus that you were correct. Color theme is an intellectual theme too.



400  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: November 18, 2014, 08:19:30 AM
I will be coming to NYC soon to organize my upcoming art show : ON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS. The art show will feature my Art-coins  ICOKE and IDISNEY.
I will post here all relevant detail as well as relevant pieces which will be later featured in the art show.
I would like to note again that the work I do here on the thread is an integral part of my coin. the fact that I often use images rather than words is due to the spacial characteristic of my coin and the massage that it caries which can not be express using words only. Thus I expect the moderator of the forum to realize this and do not  interfere with my actions . Also for thous of you who feel that I use that forum in a way that hurt its reputation or violate underwrite rules, I do in did understand the difficulty to see how I actualy serve your goals and not hurt them. I would  however urge you to watch this unfold and would appreciate any comments that is made with respect and with the intention to communicate.

STANDING ON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS




The British two pound coin bears the inscription
 STANDING ON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS
 on its edge; this is intended as a quotation of Newton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_giants
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