I'm not a fan of staying on topic but how about we use a different colour for those who want to skim past the random drivel..
That's be more efficient if those who posted on-topic used a different colour.  |
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No-IP started accepting bitcoin payments.
And a little pseudo-TA: the 8-day chart has a downtrend, but we finally started seeing some of the higher lows during the last 3-4 days.
Wonder if I should go all in again...
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Yanukovych is politically dead. No-one ever listen to him again outside of Russia, and if he sets foot anywhere in the EU, he'll probably get arrested at the border to answer charges of mass-murder. Since he was the "democratically elected and legitimate" president at time of the Maidan massacre, he is legally responsible for the actions of his militia who were obeying his orders. He could argue that he lost control of the militia, or that the fascists were shooting at themselves, but the facts would have to be established in a court of law, not in the Russian kangaroo media. If he's on Russian TV still pretending to be president, or talking about "how evil and brutal the fascist coup was", it just shows how desperate and crazy Putin is.
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The legitimacy of the 'coup' has already been strengthened by multiple EU leaders meeting with senior members of the temporary place-holder government. And everyone (except Putin) is waiting for the May elections to elect a new, legitimate parliament in Kiev. Even Yanukovych AGREED that new elections would be held BEFORE December. You can't just call it a coup because you dislike the people who are obeying your own wishes.
@1: Yes, Yanukovich' political weight and his liberal use of state money is questioned even in Russian media, but that does not make the truth of the matter less obvious: he was illegitimately ousted. If US citizens tried to conduct a seize of power, the US police would open fire on them. Wait, that already happened before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riotsBy the way those militia didn't shoot themselves from sniper rifles, someone opened fire on them. If anything, Yanukovich did nothing to stop the Maidan protests before they grew out of control and turned into a mob. No orders to disperse the Maidan mob were ever given, which probably was a deciding factor in the West's next move: bringing of the outside legionary forces and take over of the state. @2: This duplicity of EU/US standard is sickening. Yes, Yanukovich agreed to new elections, what he also agreed to is a coalition government with opposition leaders (the proverbial 0.045% of the Ukranian population, also known as Maidan), yet both he and the coalition government get thrown out of their offices on the next day after that agreement was reached by masked weapon-wielding swastika-bearing bandits, who proclaim themselves as the new government, while the West smiles benevolently at them. PS: The new elections might be conducted at gun-point: either you vote for us, or it's a proverbial gas camera for you. PSS: More headlines: - Ukrainian Parliament (Verhovnaja Rada) threatens to disband the Parliament of Crimea unless it cancels the referendum. (As if they care - the point of no return has already been passed) - Ukrainian Ministry of Defence asked local oligarchs to donate money the Ukrainian army, which is currently only powered by "tactics and military spirit" (whatever that is)  Oh, and this little gem: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_11/Two-US-drones-allegedly-shot-down-in-Crimea-5071/ |
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Russia already IS fascist, along with a dictatorial semi-theocratic government.
I would argue that Russia is not by definition fascist, though I completely agree that it is "dictatorial semi-theocratic". On the other hand, the systems of benevolent dictatorships often work, when the goals of the dictator coincide with what is best for his country/subjects.
Crimean Parliament adopts a Declaration of Independence: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.rambler.ru%2F24014194%2F&act=urlIn other news, President Yanukovish wants to address the US Senate and Congress and ask them to investigate the anti-(US)-constitutional act of giving money to a state (viz, Ukraine) where a government acquired power by the means of a state coup. |
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30% of Ukraine will merge with Russia
I hope not. I'll feel really really bad for those Ukrainians. What I think he meant to say that 30% of Ukraine (mainly Southern and Eastern regions) wish to merge with Russia. Well, if you speak Russian, and >70% (and sometimes 100%) of people around you speak Russian, but the central fascist government bans Russian, what would you want to do? |
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NATO jets going to Lithuania, Poland.
OSCE observers blocked from entering Ukraine.
GHWBush carrier group in the Med near Greece, battlegroup missile destroyer Truxton enters the Black Sea.
Russian media accuses Lithuania of training Ukrainian "extremists".
Moldovan P.M. requests U.S. military to contain Putin. (Transdneistra is occupied by Russian troops.)
Looks like NATO wants to commemorate 15 years since the start of bombing of Yugoslavia by starting to bomb Ukraine. I donated a day's worth of mining one my rigs. What the journalist did was plain morally wrong, whether her report is true or not. |
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The urgency was heightened after the Crimean parliament abruptly – and unanimously – voted to secede from Ukraine and reposition the peninsula as part of Russia. It brought forward a referendum on secession to 16 March, but said such a vote would merely rubber-stamp its own decision. The sudden move elicited howls of protest from the new authorities in Kiev, and grave warnings from the west. Sudden move? What sudden move? Initially that referendum was appointed for the same day as presidential re-elections, but was later moved forward by two weeks. Also, this will not be the first referendum on this matter. On the 20th of January 1991, in the then still Soviet Union Krym held a referendum about becoming an independent Republic within Soviet Union. 93.26% of the population voted for it, yet the results were ignored and Krym was made an autonomous region within Ukrainian SSR. http://sevkrimrus.narod.ru/ZAKON/1991.htmIn the mean time Turchinov, who illegitimately seized power and proclaimed himself a president, declared Crimean referendum illegitimate and cancels it, also ordering disbanding of the legitimate Crimean parliament: http://ua-01.com/news/poltika/11562-turchinov-otmenyaet-provedenie-referenduma-v-krymu.html“In 2014, we are well beyond the days when borders can be redrawn over the heads of democratic leaders,” added Obama. "Democratic leaders" as defined by US. US had no scruples sending bombers into Yugoslavia and redrawing borders. You can't redraw borders over the heads of democratic leaders, but you can, according to Obama, redraw borders (or in this case prohibit to redraw borders) over the heads of ordinary people, even when said people express their wish to do so. This made me laugh: Dalia Grybauskaite, the Lithuanian president, demanded action to counter Russia’s “open and brutal aggression”. She said: “Russia today is trying to rewrite the borders of Europe after world war two, that is what’s going on. If we allow this to happen, next will be somebody else.” He is absolutely correct: Next will be Poland annexing Lithuania, and Romania annexing Moldova. Loved one of the comments to the article:
Some consistency problems here:
Voting in Scotland to secede from the UK: OK
Voting in Kosovo to secede from Serbia: OK
Voting in parts of Yugoslavia to secede from the the country: OK
Voting in Ukraine to secede from the Soviet Union: OK
Voting in Crimea to secede from Ukraine: NOT OK
Declaring Independence of the USA from the UK: OK
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Apparently it depends on the interest and the point of view of an outside power and does not depend on what people in that area/country that wants to secede want.
It saddens me, but I start hearing the echoes of this WWII song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5qp4FBN0KUNote that the song never mentions any nationality, it is aimed against fascists. |
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Satoshi playing CCMF:  How long before someone Photoshops the Bitcoin symbol onto his hat? His hat? Nah, straight on the front of the train CCMF! Something like this:   |
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I wonder if I made a right move, but I moved some of my buy orders down, way down. Now, please panic. |
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Note that during this whole process Russia was not involved - it were only EU/US politicians shuttling to and from Maidan, giving speeches there, escalating the situation.
I would ask for some sources on this, since this is the first time I hear of that, but after reading the rest of your crap, it's not worth it. I'd rather take my news from the person who was actually there on Maidan through most of it (my childhood friend), than some regurgitated Russian propaganda. And that you think Yanukovich was elected legitimately, or was a democratic president, pretty much seals the fact that you have no clue about what's really going on there. As mentioned already, Presidential elections leading to Yanukovich coming to power were under close scrutiny by US/EU observers, so unless US/EU fudged the results, he was and still is a legitimately elected president until re-elections occur. Anything else equals to coup d'etat and anarchy. Please note, that I am not saying that Yanukovich was not a greedy money-stealing so-and-so. He is not better or worse than Timoshenko in that respect. As for Western involvement, do go through recordings of Maidan speeches. They are most probably still available on Youtube. At least even Western media never showed any Russian politicians on stage, while various EU/US politicians got quite a lot of screen time walking the streets of Kiev and talking to the assembled masses, even giving inspirational speeches to Maidan before proceeding to the official part of their meeting the President, against any norms of diplomatic protocol. And to someone bringing up the question of gas. If Ukraine bought gas from Norway and didn't pay up its bills, Norway would find their gas deliveries cut off immediately. EU buys gas from Russia as well, but is paying the agreed price, so the gas keeps on flowing. Ukrainians are better off asking Timoshenko (well, and quiet probably Yanukovich as well) why Ukraine was not able to pay for the gas it received from Russia at below-market price, even though it was reselling the "excess" gas at quite some profit to EU. Yes, Ukraine turned into a pawn in bigger international (so far) political tug-of-war for regional control on Russian borders. Look who benefits from this: Russia does not want instability and potentially NATO military bases on its borders. It's enough with Poland, Baltic countries and Georgia, where NATO has it "anti-Iran" rocket shield (note to NATO: when concocting an excuse, make it at least geographically plausible) NATO (read US because EU countries are themselves are just pawns, as Snowden's disclosures recently showed) wants to weaken the region. They don't need strong EU, and they need strong Russia even less. Divide and conquer, saw discord between opposing allies has always been the way to go. It pains me to see that people often get blinded by the immediate happenings around them and fail to see the bigger picture, ignoring the history (Yugoslavia, anyone?) Ultimately, Russia needs Ukraine as a buffer, US needs Ukraine as a military base, EU needs Ukraine as an excess goods dump market and raw materials source. Fascists need to satiate their urge for power and their lust to kill. What does Ukraine need? PS: Other questions to ponder: Is there such a state as Ukraine? What was Ukraine before Lenin (whose monuments are toppled now) proclaimed it as a state and what does it want to be? These questions need to be answered by Ukrainians to define their vision on their state, independent from what the outside powers may want them to believe. Those answers will determine if Ukraine will stand against the current storm or if it will become the next Yugoslavia and a war playground fro NATO and Russia. |
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Wow, that's big news if it's true! Can someone post a re-print? I clicked on the link and got "You have reached the limit of 5 free articles a month" even though I never visited their site before! |
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It's like the Devils playground at the moment.
EDIT.
Thanks Jorgi. I've only read the first 2 lines. Wall of words is much, much so.
Devils playground indeed Price at Bitstamp 666$ as other users reported Hmm... At least buy at 666 if you missed out on 13. Next stop is 1337  |
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Poland says Bitcoin is THE CHOSEN ONE! God damn, why thing cant just go easy .... problems everywhere ... only problems  I am waiting to see a briiiight light again! He-he. If Russia said that the sky is blue, Poland would immediately decry it as a lie and state with full authority that the sky is green. They would also send a political emissary to god to demand that it should follow the new EU-directive on green-sky. Nothing new there. |
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It was not a revolution, it was a coup d'etat by a Fascist group. True, the whole thing did start as a pro-EU vs. anti-EU protests. (The anti-EU demonstrations were never shown in the Western media and they were held mostly during week-ends as normal people had to go to work, while pro-EU Maidan-denizens recieved $50-a-day grants and food courtesy EU-emissars). Note that during this whole process Russia was not involved - it were only EU/US politicians shuttling to and from Maidan, giving speeches there, escalating the situation. This one-sided "conflict" was largely resolved by a EU-mediated agreement between the democratically-elected president and the leaders of the opposition, which lead to forming of a coalition government and appointment of early presidential re-elections. This whole time the local militia was under direct orders to NOT use the force. One week later EU/US forget about that agreement and coup d'etat is in full swing. The coalition government is overthrown by the Fascist Bandera-group. Sniper shots are fired by them on both civilians and the Berkut forces, leaving at least two dozen Berkut policemen dead (this was again toned down in the Western media). The Fascists oust the legitimately elected president, and proclaim death to all Russians and Jews. One of the top-men is a terrorist insurgents, who fought in the Chechen conflict against Russia. Berkut is disbanded. Everyone in regular militia, who speak Russian are thrown out. Crimean local government refuses to recognise the Fascist-appointed representative from Kiev, and issues an official request to Moscow, asking for protection. Based on this request, the upper cabinet gives Putin right to use military power outside of the country's border, should the need arise. In the meantime, Berkut fighters (who refused to see their comrades' deaths go to waste) and citizens organise self-defence groups on all inbound routes, seizing countless numbers of firearms and explosives that were attempted smuggled by Fascist supporters into Crimea. Veterans of WWII proclaim that they defended Sevastopol and threw out German Fascists back in the 1940s not to see the Fascists come back to power now, asking this generation not to allow blooming of Fascism. Harkov citizens conducts a mass-demonstration under Russian flags, people asking Russia for protection, and ousting Fascist occupants who a few days before came from Kiev and built a militarised stronghold in the local government building. The self-proclaimed government in Kiev decries Crimean moves is illegitimate, handily forgetting that they themselves conducted a coup d'etat a few days before, overthrowing a legitimately-elected president and government. In the meantime US send its Secretary of State to Kiev to fraternise with the Fascists, openly declaring them support and offering money. Crimea and Eastern Ukraine has over 70% of ethnically Russian population. If you go to Crimea, you will not hear anyone speaking Ukrainian there. If (which is more a question of when) the Fascist group who occupied Kiev come from the Western Ukraine (and is mainly of Austro-Polish-Lithvanian descent) would start cleansing of the Russian population (read: genocide), would you expect Russia to leave their people behind? No. Russians don't leave their men behind. And if you think that genocide will not happen, let me remind you when the first concentration camps appeared and who they were intended for: Thalerhof ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Austrian_internment) And lastly, Crimea is to hold a referendum about its future state on the same day as the new Presidential elections. Crimea had already had one such referendum in the end of the 90's, where the majority voted for independence, yet those results were ignored by then pro-Western government. The same thing might happen this time around. Oh, and this year should also see a referendum for Scotland's independence. It would be interesting to see how they both will play out. I am afraid US/EU has a militarised scenario planned for Ukraine. PS: On the topic of revolution: Ukraine has a population of ~44 million people. Pro-EU Maidan and the Fascist shadow fighters there counted in total about 20000 if not less. That's 0.045% of the total population. Yet they call themselves a government and proclaim to be the will of the people. Think about it. Oh no! They're... They're... TALKING! I'm sure that's against the Geneva Conventions somewhere... Seriously, dude, stop it with the stupid propaganda. Ukrainians protested because their government was becoming a dictatorship, not because they wanted to start up a fascist state. That's what Russia is working on. Talking like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GOsq1VzowI&list=UULDatcCbRzyUeu0WP1VRqQQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=386putin propaganda And that's all you have to say? How disappointing. You do realise that the reverse logic applies, and anything shown by the Western media can be written off as Obama propaganda, right? I at least have some pen-pals in Ukraine, who can be described by the term of "common people" and their stories coincide to a larger degree by what is being shown on the Eastern news. Not completely, but to, say, 90%. There will always be some propaganda on both sides, but you have to learn to look past it to what is really happening, and for that you need to take into account all available sources, from both sides, so to speak, and then cross-reference them. An interesting side-note. When the demonstrations in Kiev were in the pro-EU/anti-EU stage, Russian media covered both sides, taking interviews from both factions, as well as from the citizens of Kiev, who powerlessly watched how their city was rampaged, while the Western media only showed the pro-EU demonstrators. And finally, don't look at Ukraine in isolation. Take in the bigger picture in the US struggle for it official doctrine of world domination. Read the screen-play of Yugoslavia (15 years this year since NATO started bombing a sovereign state), Iraq, Tunis, Libya, Egypt, Syria, and now, Ukraine. You will see a common red line going through them all. And the next act in the play is called "NATO forces to the rescue" with a sub-title "Whether you want it or not". PS: My view on Putin is on par with my view on Obama or any other state leader. They are there for the power. However, Putin is better for Russia now than some drunken marionette figurehead, puppeteered by the Western transnats, as the case was in the mid-90s. PSS: I just had a thought: filtering out propaganda to see to the truth is a much needed quality in Bitcoin trading as well. You need to keep your head clear and keep calm whatever rages around you. |
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It was not a revolution, it was a coup d'etat by a Fascist group. True, the whole thing did start as a pro-EU vs. anti-EU protests. (The anti-EU demonstrations were never shown in the Western media and they were held mostly during week-ends as normal people had to go to work, while pro-EU Maidan-denizens recieved $50-a-day grants and food courtesy EU-emissars). Note that during this whole process Russia was not involved - it were only EU/US politicians shuttling to and from Maidan, giving speeches there, escalating the situation. This one-sided "conflict" was largely resolved by a EU-mediated agreement between the democratically-elected president and the leaders of the opposition, which lead to forming of a coalition government and appointment of early presidential re-elections. This whole time the local militia was under direct orders to NOT use the force. One week later EU/US forget about that agreement and coup d'etat is in full swing. The coalition government is overthrown by the Fascist Bandera-group. Sniper shots are fired by them on both civilians and the Berkut forces, leaving at least two dozen Berkut policemen dead (this was again toned down in the Western media). The Fascists oust the legitimately elected president, and proclaim death to all Russians and Jews. One of the top-men is a terrorist insurgents, who fought in the Chechen conflict against Russia. Berkut is disbanded. Everyone in regular militia, who speak Russian are thrown out. Crimean local government refuses to recognise the Fascist-appointed representative from Kiev, and issues an official request to Moscow, asking for protection. Based on this request, the upper cabinet gives Putin right to use military power outside of the country's border, should the need arise. In the meantime, Berkut fighters (who refused to see their comrades' deaths go to waste) and citizens organise self-defence groups on all inbound routes, seizing countless numbers of firearms and explosives that were attempted smuggled by Fascist supporters into Crimea. Veterans of WWII proclaim that they defended Sevastopol and threw out German Fascists back in the 1940s not to see the Fascists come back to power now, asking this generation not to allow blooming of Fascism. Harkov citizens conducts a mass-demonstration under Russian flags, people asking Russia for protection, and ousting Fascist occupants who a few days before came from Kiev and built a militarised stronghold in the local government building. The self-proclaimed government in Kiev decries Crimean moves is illegitimate, handily forgetting that they themselves conducted a coup d'etat a few days before, overthrowing a legitimately-elected president and government. In the meantime US send its Secretary of State to Kiev to fraternise with the Fascists, openly declaring them support and offering money. Crimea and Eastern Ukraine has over 70% of ethnically Russian population. If you go to Crimea, you will not hear anyone speaking Ukrainian there. If (which is more a question of when) the Fascist group who occupied Kiev come from the Western Ukraine (and is mainly of Austro-Polish-Lithvanian descent) would start cleansing of the Russian population (read: genocide), would you expect Russia to leave their people behind? No. Russians don't leave their men behind. And if you think that genocide will not happen, let me remind you when the first concentration camps appeared and who they were intended for: Thalerhof ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Austrian_internment) And lastly, Crimea is to hold a referendum about its future state on the same day as the new Presidential elections. Crimea had already had one such referendum in the end of the 90's, where the majority voted for independence, yet those results were ignored by then pro-Western government. The same thing might happen this time around. Oh, and this year should also see a referendum for Scotland's independence. It would be interesting to see how they both will play out. I am afraid US/EU has a militarised scenario planned for Ukraine. PS: On the topic of revolution: Ukraine has a population of ~44 million people. Pro-EU Maidan and the Fascist shadow fighters there counted in total about 20000 if not less. That's 0.045% of the total population. Yet they call themselves a government and proclaim to be the will of the people. Think about it. Oh no! They're... They're... TALKING! I'm sure that's against the Geneva Conventions somewhere... Seriously, dude, stop it with the stupid propaganda. Ukrainians protested because their government was becoming a dictatorship, not because they wanted to start up a fascist state. That's what Russia is working on. Talking like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GOsq1VzowI&list=UULDatcCbRzyUeu0WP1VRqQQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=386 |
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Auroracoin up 40% since this morning & still on a tear Wow, buying Auroracoin must be one of the most ingenious methods of donating money to the people of Iceland as possible. I had no idea there was so much love for Icelandic people! : -) well, they are nice folks. but i think it is an interesting social experiment also, especially in light of what happened with their banks and currency during the big collapse a few years back. just another tendril in the crypto revolution. I loved how celand handled the banking crisis. I think they were the ONLY country to get it right: "What?! The banks are going bankrupt? That's a real shame but that's what businesses do when they are mismanaged, carry on." Then Brittan and the Netherlands bailed out their native account holders in the Icelandic banks and expected Iceland to cough it up. Iceland was like: "umh lol? Uhm no? Why are you asking us money for your stupidity?" Having said this, Auroracoin is ridiculous of course (to help people who had trouble understanding the sarcastic comment I made in my previous post). Anyway: carry on Nice description. By the way, Norwegian holders got bailed out by the Norwegian banking insurance fund, without asking Iceland to cough up. |
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Prediction: Sideways-ish up, then a sharp down, followed by more up. In other words, the usual stuff. In the meantime, sending more funds to Bitstamp...
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You're going to go insane if you look at 3 minute charts all day.
This made my day. I used to stare at 1-minute charts, but currently I found a good balance in 15-minute charts with SAR, over a 10-day period. Gives the feel of the trends, while still showing the latest movements. |
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