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March 08, 2014, 06:00:47 AM
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So if many of these nations won't recognise it, how can they recognise the Kosovan referendum?
There's not much difference is there?
u mean this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Kosovo_referendum,_2012 ?

So Kosovo didn't even hold a referendum in 2008 Undecided I thought they did.
So it would be a bit like if Crimea declared itself an independent nation tomorrow.

It's strange how it works, i don't quite get it.

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March 08, 2014, 06:37:25 AM
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So Kosovo didn't even hold a referendum in 2008 Undecided I thought they did.
So it would be a bit like if Crimea declared itself an independent nation tomorrow.

Check this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovan_independence_referendum,_1991

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence
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March 08, 2014, 06:42:14 AM
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"Pacific protesters in Kiev"














All wars are planned by older men
In council rooms apart,
Who call for greater armament
And map the battle chart.

But out along the shattered field
Where golden dreams turn gray,
How very young the faces were
Where all the dead men lay.

Portly and solemn in their pride,
The elders cast their vote
For this or that, or something else,
That sounds the martial note.

But where their sightless eyes stare out
Beyond life's vanished toys,
I've noticed nearly all the dead
Were hardly more than boys.

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March 08, 2014, 04:59:02 PM
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30% of Ukraine will merge with Russia

Cлaвьcя, Oтeчecтвo нaшe cвoбoднoe,
Бpaтcкиx нapoдoв coюз вeкoвoй,
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March 08, 2014, 05:13:28 PM
Last edit: March 08, 2014, 07:02:22 PM by Ivanhoe
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Russian millitary convoi spotted between Krasnodar and Novorossiysk. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8hIr2L5l2tM
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March 08, 2014, 07:14:57 PM
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30% of Ukraine will merge with Russia

I hope not. I'll feel really really bad for those Ukrainians.
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March 08, 2014, 07:18:39 PM
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30% of Ukraine will merge with Russia

I hope not. I'll feel really really bad for those Ukrainians.

that it will be done, because the same thing was done with Kosovo in Serbia, 7. feb 2008 years,
and it was a precedent.
It has initiated a chain reaction, and no more back anywhere in the world,
It will be constantly happening in many countries in the world

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March 09, 2014, 04:52:49 PM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573557/Flashback-Senator-Obama-pushed-destruction-15-000-TONS-ammunition-400-000-small-arms-1-000-anti-aircraft-missiles-Ukraine.html

https://twitter.com/Ukroblogger/status/442655836989452288/photo/1
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March 10, 2014, 08:15:42 AM
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30% of Ukraine will merge with Russia

I hope not. I'll feel really really bad for those Ukrainians.

What I think he meant to say that 30% of Ukraine (mainly Southern and Eastern regions) wish to merge with Russia. Well, if you speak Russian, and >70% (and sometimes 100%) of people around you speak Russian, but the central fascist government bans Russian, what would you want to do?

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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March 10, 2014, 08:41:03 AM
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I still wonder why the russian language ban ?? is looks to be so provocatory decision, anyone with half brain understand that things like that backfire (imo they did on purpose to piss off russians)

Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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March 10, 2014, 09:09:43 AM
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I still wonder why the russian language ban ?? is looks to be so provocatory decision, anyone with half brain understand that things like that backfire (imo they did on purpose to piss off russians)
Just because they've got a power... It's just like a 'Monkey With a Hand Grenade', results are pretty similar.
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March 10, 2014, 11:28:50 AM
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It is not 30% of the population which uses Russian. Even in Kiev, an opposition stronghold, Ukrainian is very rarely heard. Around 45% of the population lives in the East and South, where there are hardly any Ukrainian speakers. Another 25-30% lives in the Center, where Russian predominates. And even in the West, Russian is used as a lingua franca in multi-lingual areas such as Berehove and Hertsa.

Ban the Russian language, and you will create enormous difficulties for almost 3/4th of the population.
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March 10, 2014, 07:01:46 PM
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What I think he meant to say that 30% of Ukraine (mainly Southern and Eastern regions) wish to merge with Russia. Well, if you speak Russian, and >70% (and sometimes 100%) of people around you speak Russian, but the central fascist government bans Russian, what would you want to do?

I seriously doubt anyone would ban Russian, since even in Kiev you mostly hear Russian instead of Ukrainian.
And I would feel bad because, while Ukraine *might* become fascist (though probably won't), Russia already IS fascist, along with a dictatorial semi-theocratic government.
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March 10, 2014, 08:33:26 PM
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Russia already IS fascist, along with a dictatorial semi-theocratic government.
on paper that should never be a problem (i repeat on PAPER)  ofc the theory and practice differs allot



Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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March 10, 2014, 11:51:14 PM
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btw, poland asked for some f16's and 300 us soldiers to operate them. arriving later on this week
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March 11, 2014, 12:31:32 AM
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btw, poland asked for some f16's and 300 us soldiers to operate them. arriving later on this week

seems poland is actually pretty scared/concerned about that Ukranian situation.
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March 11, 2014, 01:10:13 AM
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btw, poland asked for some f16's and 300 us soldiers to operate them. arriving later on this week

seems poland is actually pretty scared/concerned about that Ukranian situation.

Poland doesn't have and never had any significant military forces so they always rely on others, especially US.

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March 11, 2014, 01:13:59 AM
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Crimea update: tension is rising, several armies standing right opposite each other and waiting for the orders.
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March 11, 2014, 01:18:44 AM
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Crimea update: tension is rising, several armies standing right opposite each other and waiting for the orders.
FUD?
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March 11, 2014, 01:19:17 AM
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Crimea update: tension is rising, several armies standing right opposite each other and waiting for the orders.
FUD?

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