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3861  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: preev.com does not work on: August 12, 2016, 03:39:53 PM
It's back working for me now.
3862  Other / Archival / Re: Microsoft Keys Shop on: August 12, 2016, 03:37:07 PM
As above, please only bump your thread once every 24 hours.
3863  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: preev.com does not work on: August 12, 2016, 11:47:53 AM
Wouldn't it be better if we check 2 or 3 different big exchanges for price?

That's exactly what it does for you and gives you the average.
3864  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: preev.com does not work on: August 12, 2016, 11:34:58 AM
It's been down a couple of days. I use it quite frequently.

I stopped using preev.com the last time it didn't work. bitcoinaverage.com works better. It gives more options including graphs.


Yeah, but preev is more of a currency converter. You don't seem to be able to do that here.
3865  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: August 12, 2016, 10:45:11 AM
I'm trying to get a betting pool going for the Premier League if anyone wants to join. If interested check out this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1569811.0
3866  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Would anyone be interested in doing pool betting on the English Premier League? on: August 12, 2016, 10:21:15 AM
One day left before the season starts. If I can get at least 5 people interested to join today I'll set it up and hopefully more people will join throughout the season. Please post or PM if you're willing to join in at 0.01 for this weekends games. Will be fun.
3867  Other / Meta / Re: Is it allowed to register just to post in 1 giveaway thread over and over? on: August 11, 2016, 10:17:19 AM
That 777 thread is mostly just used by account farmers not to mention I don't believe it even pays out any more and hasn't for months, but even if it does it's only occasionally and people do not get paid for every post that they have made but they don't care because they still get paid from their campaigns or can rank up their accounts easily. I've contacted Lightlord several times about it but got no response. 
3868  Other / Meta / Re: Illiterate sig spammers on: August 10, 2016, 11:45:37 AM
What can be done from the level of an administrator, is that sections as "Development & Technical Discussion" and "Technical Support" will not be showing a signature.

That's reason for campaigns to remove these sections from the for payment eligible sections.

Quite often people ask for support hoping for a helpful answer, but instead they get nothing more than nonsense answers from sig posters.

This issue/suggestion has already been brought up:

I think the best way to find some sort of balance is to limit which part of the forum sig campaigners can post.  The Bitcoin Discussion section should be definitely off limits to sig campaigns.  The quality of posts there are at the lowest and I tend to avoid that section.

If there was only a way to have the signatures disabled in some sections and on in others.  That would save a lot of mods some work if they plan on cleaning the forum up.

This is something I've suggested. I know a big peeve of DannyHamilton is people giving bad advice/help so maybe we could disable sigs in the main Bitcoin Discussion and Technical Help subs. Campaigns would then likely not pay for those boards and the content would be significantly improved because nobody is posting just to get paid. On the other hand, if posts in there still contribute to postcount account farmers wont be effected but maybe they would find easier boards to spam which keeps the crap out of the most important boards.


3869  Other / Meta / Re: paraipan's coins on the move on: August 10, 2016, 10:47:43 AM
I guess his friends or family could have found the wallet and finally cracked the password
It is also possible that his family sold off his computer/device that he was storing the forums BTC on, and whoever purchased it was only recently able to crack the password/encryption used to secure the BTC.
But then why send $2,500 to his old dead wallet?

Where did he send $2,500? It just seems to be one transaction of the full amount. Did that 250btc end up in any addresses previously associated with him?
See my post with wallet info. 5btc from the 250 was sent back to an otherwise empty wallet owned by Paraipan or his business partner.

I think that says everything then. Either he's not dead or his business partner has somehow managed to gain access to the coins.
3870  Other / Meta / Re: Illiterate sig spammers on: August 10, 2016, 10:42:09 AM

Removing signatures altogether is something we're also discussing. Personally, I'm at the point where I think that's going to be the only solution to stop all the bullshit and hassle that comes along with having them but we're trying to find a workaround too that suits everyone.


if people trying to log on from previously banned ips have to pay up, would it not make sense for people who organise sig campaigns to post some type of bond to be able to host one?


I suppose that's a possibility but people would just complain when/if they didn't get their bond back. An easier option which I suggested would be to force people to use a trusted and reliable campaign manager from a list that the community could source in a similar way we do with escrows. If every campaign manager was very thorough and only allowed good quality users to join there would be no issue in the first place. At least this would almost assure that.

When people earn BTC from sig campaigns, they spend some of them mostly in gambling sites, some even save then spend them in cloud mining contracts (don't know why, most of those don't get you a ROI), others go to the market place and trade them for cash and the rest do altcoin trades.  That's overall good as BTC changes hands a lot.
You do realize that the useless content that is produced by them is the reason for which people with actual knowledge regarding Bitcoin stay away from this forum? I couldn't care less about the few bucks that these spammers make and what they do with it. There are campaigns that do not care about this problem (e.g. BitMixer); thus the need to punish services that endorse spam.


That's why a good move from Bitcointalk would be to ban all sig campaigns in all sections in the forum except the Bitcoin and Altcoin market places imo. 

As I mentioned before, if you're going to remove them from pretty much the entire forum it defeats the purpose of them in the first place so you might as well just remove signatures from the entire forum. Allowing them only in the Marketplaces would make those sections unusable.
3871  Other / Meta / Re: Tipsters are cancer to the Gambling sections (exceptions apply). on: August 09, 2016, 02:02:41 PM
Maybe you have me in mind, but I'll figure a few things : I'm not paid double by my signature campaigns, since I'm not rewarded at all for that and then I've never got someone to use my referal links so I don't see any problem to this.

It's not just one person but the whole. Currently tipster threads and people talking about sports have swamped the Gambling section. Most people don't want to see either. Many people think tipster threads are just pure ref spam and arguably they should be removed under the rules. Personally, I don't mind the threads if you're putting in a bit of effort and people are following or enjoy your tips then the tiny bit you might make from refs is fine by me, but I think they should be put into their own sub so everybody doesn't have to see them.
3872  Other / Meta / Re: paraipan's coins on the move on: August 09, 2016, 01:00:33 PM
I guess his friends or family could have found the wallet and finally cracked the password
It is also possible that his family sold off his computer/device that he was storing the forums BTC on, and whoever purchased it was only recently able to crack the password/encryption used to secure the BTC.
But then why send $2,500 to his old dead wallet?

Where did he send $2,500? It just seems to be one transaction of the full amount. Did that 250btc end up in any addresses previously associated with him?

I know if my next of kin got a random weird email or message on social media asking about bitcoins they'd either have no idea what you were talking about or just ignore it. They'd also probably ask me if I knew anything about it first before responding and if I was alive and holding 250 bitcoins I'd probably just tell them to ignore or deny it.
I had several letters professional translated asking to make contact to provide information, not to immediately reclaim the bitcoins. There also seems little reason to ignore it because I stated that his estate is owed some money (which it is).

That would possibly be even more alarming. People tend to ignore any letters claiming that they're owed long lost money. 99% likely scams and most people would just disregard it.
3873  Other / Meta / Re: Illiterate sig spammers on: August 09, 2016, 12:07:18 PM
but there's some threads where people may get a lot of responses but others can still offer their suggestions but repeating the same thing for pages and pages is unnecessary.
I don't believe that there is a solution that would leave every party completely happy in a situation like this one.

There isn't going to be any solution to anything that would leave everyone 100% happy but I don't really care about the hurt pockets of sig spammers complaining they've got less places to easily spam in.

Personally, I think a number of pages/similar responses should be set before a thread is locked. There is little point allowing people to brainlessly repeat the same thing over and over for the hope that someone may say something with any sort of thought behind it. If a situation happened similar to the one above, where the thread was locked and someone had a new suggestion, then there would be nothing stopping said user from using PM or any other method to contact the OP and propose said suggestion.

But what's the magic number? Threads like how can I earn ten dollars in bitcoin? don't need to go on for long if they're allowed at all and not just trashed on sight but there's other threads that can go on infinitely but at the same time we don't need people just repeating the same stuff but where's the cut off point? Not always easy to judge and enforce consistently. Lauda might have a different opinion on what thread is trash to me etc and if he is removing threads only started by newbies it can lead to inconsistency and people complaining.

Some sort of quality control of what sort of threads is and isn't allowed needs to be established though but if spam threads do get locked or trashed people will get the idea pretty quickly.
Agreed. I think that something similar to this could be enforced more strictly and across all sections. While this may be my opinion, I couldn't care less what ilovebitcoin89 would do if he was given 10BTC; I doubt many others do either.

I don't think threads like what would you do with 1-2-5-10-100 bitcoins need to be here or at the least should be moved to off topic. Maybe after one big clean up people will get the idea. It kinda worked with off topic with the crappy 'daily' threads but people keep insisting to make them. This will be no different.

Also, locking all threads liberally would be really aggravating and I feel it may lead for some users - including myself - to leave if done too liberally.

It might be annoying to sig spammers and if shitposters leave because of it then good. Mission accomplished. I would bet my money they along with you wont leave though. They'll just have to work a bit harder to earn money here which is what will cause people to get defensive or panic but allowing users to easily spam such shit threads is the problem in the first place. They can't be allowed to shit the place up and ruin it for everyone else.

I think the best way to find some sort of balance is to limit which part of the forum sig campaigners can post.  The Bitcoin Discussion section should be definitely off limits to sig campaigns.  The quality of posts there are at the lowest and I tend to avoid that section.

If there was only a way to have the signatures disabled in some sections and on in others.  That would save a lot of mods some work if they plan on cleaning the forum up.

This is something I've suggested. I know a big peeve of DannyHamilton is people giving bad advice/help so maybe we could disable sigs in the main Bitcoin Discussion and Technical Help subs. Campaigns would then likely not pay for those boards and the content would be significantly improved because nobody is posting just to get paid. On the other hand, if posts in there still contribute to postcount account farmers wont be effected but maybe they would find easier boards to spam which keeps the crap out of the most important boards.

Edit:  To start, maybe telling the campaign managers that posts in Bitcoin Discussion, Development & Technical Discussion, Mining, Technical Support, Project Development, Economics and Speculation should have no payment to discourage the campaigners to spam those boards.  Then expand the 'no pay policy' to other sections of the forum in due time.


If we disable signatures in too many boards though it would just defeat the purpose of sig campaigns in the first place and campaigns will dwindle both in number and pay. I guess that could be good or bad depending on your stance but shitposters from poor countries will still spam for dust so it wont kill the issue. Signature campaigns only exist because they're a great way to advertise as your ad is shown everywhere but if we're going to restrict them from pretty much the entire forum and the only place sigs are shown is in a few crappy subs like Off topic and Politics then we may as well just get rid of them altogether so a balance needs to be found.
3874  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: PayPal helping scammers to get away and get going on: August 09, 2016, 11:39:19 AM
As i said i have 50 € neg balance from 2 years and nothing happens. (only have paypal account freeze  Lips sealed )

Did you have your full name and address on there? I'm guessing you didn't? If they have those details something tells me they won't just accept the losses if they can help it.
3875  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: PayPal helping scammers to get away and get going on: August 09, 2016, 11:25:08 AM
it was January i got an email from prince of Morocco saying that their local authorities are pressurizing them give up the Royalty and blah..blah.

Pmsl. Not sure whether you're trolling or not.

what if i never pay the negative balance , infact it is not my fault? will i have to face legal action against them?will they sent their legal team for me ?

Likely the same thing banks do when you owe them money: send their boys for you. Do they have your address and real name? They'll probably send you letters first telling you you owe them money. Then they'll start threatening you with legal action. Whether they'll ever take you to court for such a small amount is the issue though. Maybe they'll just keep sending you letters and hope you're scared enough to pay but if you ignore them that's likely all that will ever happen but this isn't proper legal advice. Do some research on what happens in similar cases. I'm sure you can find a lot of stuff on google.
3876  Other / Meta / Re: paraipan's coins on the move on: August 07, 2016, 04:41:42 AM
Anyways, it is pretty much a no-brainer to setup multi-sig these days.

I've recently talked with theymos about this. A good multisig implementation would most likely prevent a lot of similar scenarios.

One of the other problems with Paraipan was he was anonymous and only known to the forum under his pseudonym. Took me quite a while to 100% confirm his identity, jobs, companies, multi country locations, next of kin etc etc.

This makes it even more likely that he could just easily fake his own death. Not exactly hard to do when you're anon and over £100k is no small sum to just disappear from an anon account on a message board. The fact that the bitcoins have moved leads me to believe he's more likely alive than not unless you have some pretty concrete evidence that he died (a couple of people on here claiming to know him isn't sufficient though (do we even know if they're not alts or are they also anonymous too?)). I guess his friends or family could have found the wallet and finally cracked the password if they were aware of them but are you sure you 100% confirmed his identity or his next of kin? I know if my next of kin got a random weird email or message on social media asking about bitcoins they'd either have no idea what you were talking about or just ignore it. They'd also probably ask me if I knew anything about it first before responding and if I was alive and holding 250 bitcoins I'd probably just tell them to ignore or deny it.
3877  Other / Meta / Re: Illiterate sig spammers on: August 07, 2016, 04:27:28 AM
How do you stop signature spam when paid signatures are allowed?

Removing signatures altogether is something we're also discussing. Personally, I'm at the point where I think that's going to be the only solution to stop all the bullshit and hassle that comes along with having them but we're trying to find a workaround too that suits everyone. We know removing signature campaigns is going to have a drastic impact on the traffic here and to do so or enforce fully we would probably have to just remove signatures and avatars altogether for everyone otherwise people would likely still try get around it. I've long said signature campaigns could help improve the post quality of the forum but that would only happpen if every campaign only accepted quality posters and didn't just pay anyone and everyone regardless of post quality and ways to force campaigns to do that is being discussed also.

Even a constructive thread can be taken over by shitposters so do we trash that as well?
The solution to this on another forum I'm a part of was to be a lot more liberal with locking threads. For example, once a question was answered or a request was fulfilled the thread was locked to prevent further spamming. This would prevent threads like this and this (which is essentially the exact same topic anyway) from gaining any sort of ground with spam.

I agree that certain threads should be locked when a person has got a solid answer to a specific question and we're discussing whether those sorts of threads you mentioned should just be trashed straight away or not but there's some threads where people may get a lot of responses but others can still offer their suggestions but repeating the same thing for pages and pages is unnecessary. It's hard to find a balance really without just locking or trashing half the threads here but I guess maybe mods may just have to make executive decisions on this sort of stuff otherwise the forum isn't going to get any cleaner. Some sort of quality control of what sort of threads is and isn't allowed needs to be established though but if spam threads do get locked or trashed people will get the idea pretty quickly.

Anyway, Just wanted to let you guys know i do my best when responding to threads, i'm not illiterate my parents are married. I can post proof.

PMSL. The irony of this. I'm assuming you're getting confused with illegitimate? Not sure whether you're joking or not  Grin.
3878  Other / Meta / Re: Illiterate sig spammers on: August 06, 2016, 04:41:27 PM
Users who feel people do post bad quality posts should consider talking to the manager of the signature campaign directly to have them removed from it.

The problem campaigns never listen to you. 9/10 I never get any response from them even after months of telling them they need to start looking after their campaigns. Try PM bitmixer or some of the shitcoin sig campaigns and see if you get a response. They don't care and the ones that don't listen even after repeated warnings either need some sort of punishment or not be allowed to advertise here in such a way and that's another thing we're discussing.

Where did I say they would be removed if you report them? If you read what I wrote I said we were currently discussing how to handle them.
Ok, i dont see what the discussion is about though, you guys have no choice but to either delete them, or get new staff to clean up the spam

It may be difficult for the moderators though. How can they work out what is spam? They can't just target those in signature campaigns either, they'd have to clear up everywhere! Or then they're judging things differently depending on whether a user wishes to earn when they post or not.

Exactly and that's what we're discussing. It's not a question of new staff but making sure everybody is on board and on the same page about what is acceptable or not. You might think a thread is spam and others might not. Even a constructive thread can be taken over by shitposters so do we trash that as well? What threads should or shouldn't be permitted are currently being discussed as are ways to cut down on sig spam altogether. I'm not the boss here and don't want to overstep my authority so any big changes that happen need to be run through with both all the other staff and most importantly theymos first and that's what we're waiting on.
3879  Other / Meta / Re: paraipan's coins on the move on: August 06, 2016, 04:21:18 PM
Is he 100% confirmed to have pased away? Seems a bit weird that if you knew you were gravely ill you wouldn't make sure all your business was in order and return the coins he was holding.

No. I was unable to locate the Spanish death certificate because we didn't have the actual date of his death and his Romanian death certificate is only retrievable in person. There are several members on here that claimed to know him personally and that he did indeed die.

I'm sure someone could find out more details on this if his name is known or a private detective sure could. Can anyone get the death certificate from Romania? Cyrus is Romanian as far as I'm aware. If his name and date of death is roughly known I'm sure it could be easily found out. Call me a cynic but until we find out 100% he's deceased I wouldn't take the word of a few other random users on here unless their word is especially trusted but the fact that the coins are now moving is very suspicious.

I have pages and pages of information on him, that's not the issue. You have go to the town hall of his very small home town and turn up in person to request his death certificate as there isn't a central national database.

In Romania? I'm sure Cyrus could do it. If the info was essential to getting closure on the situation it would be worthwhile.
3880  Other / Meta / Re: paraipan's coins on the move on: August 06, 2016, 03:27:12 PM
Is he 100% confirmed to have pased away? Seems a bit weird that if you knew you were gravely ill you wouldn't make sure all your business was in order and return the coins he was holding.

No. I was unable to locate the Spanish death certificate because we didn't have the actual date of his death and his Romanian death certificate is only retrievable in person. There are several members on here that claimed to know him personally and that he did indeed die.

I'm sure someone could find out more details on this if his name is known or a private detective sure could. Can anyone get the death certificate from Romania? Cyrus is Romanian as far as I'm aware. If his name and date of death is roughly known I'm sure it could be easily found out. Call me a cynic but until we find out 100% he's deceased I wouldn't take the word of a few other random users on here unless their word is especially trusted but the fact that the coins are now moving is very suspicious.

The forum should move the existing funds that are held by single users into multi-sig ASAP. I know folks like OgNasty are reliable, but shit happens and people die every day.

Agreed, not to mention people can get greedy or lose access to them themselves.
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