The more and more I find mining so barbaric and snobistic.
haha i know exactly what you mean. im looking at this new proposal eTherium and it really piques my interest but i cant stop thinking, "mining... really... what is this 2009?" |
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6 months down the line from now, general advertising may bring us big gains, but if we go all-out now, we will just get a lot of pissed-off people who can't get the tech to work reliably and they will probably not be telling all their friends to go out and buy some NXT.
nobody says to go up now.. 6 months is a good time to get prepared BUT - Bitcoin is famous because it was first. So if there will be any other PoS / fork with huge marketing asset, they will be the first because of the media attention Salsacz, dont get me wrong, mate, I think u (and the rest of the PR guys) are doing a brilliant job. Keep on going... But I don't want us to do a DeLorean and bring something brilliant, but not exactly finished, into the spotlight. If NXT (or any competitor) goes large too soon and things go wrong because the tech is not quite ready, there will not be a second chance to get it right. NXT is in a good position right now, and I think that one of the few ways it can go badly wrong is if we try to force it to grow too quickly. Yes, I agree, let's wait on marketing until we have a solid client and feature set. At that point, you may find that we don't even need to market Nxt. I think we need to offer more significant bounties in development for the immediate future. +1 I'm glad we are starting to see a consensus on this point. Like someone said earlier. Lets please not be remembered as the delorian of cryptos. |
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sold all my bte and bought nxt with it but i still keep coming back here cuz it kind of feels like bte is my illegitimate offspring or something.
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wtf, why the fucking price is continual falling? Everyone buy NXT, there are everyday tousends of new accounts and everyone speak about the coin, but the price is falling? WHY? This is amazingly good news. New interest + new accounts + lots of excitement + falling price = big stake holders are selling. This is crucial for the long term health of the network. |
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Matthijs van Duin is xmath, but it appears to be edited in 2008 by someone.
Not sure how many Matthijs van Duins are in the world, but this email address is recent: xmath at cpan dot org, if you want to try to contact him. (from <https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/12/msg00511.html>) Already did a while ago :-) it's him The best would be to contact D. J. Bernstein, but I'm not sure that 10 BTC is high enough for his level of competence. if you need to raise more to get the right person i would help I previously allocated 48K for code review, but nobody asked for it after I presented the offer. This 48K can be used for supplying the cryptographic review now, CfB just ping me when and if it was needed to pay the guy. Balance of this account 12958922023278616958 (~892K NXT) is also available for this review https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoE8nAOEMIa7dDhkdUtLQnJ1T2k5RTRwZ3lPbVloTXc&usp=drive_web#gid=5wow pouncer thats amazing. so generous. let me know if you would like me to do the leg work converting it into btc. |
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I don't think that proves anything and besides if anarchy started working in one country the other one would just invade and take over,not a good idea  Yes this is the one potentially legitimate criticism of anarchy that I have encountered. Roderick long talks about it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WamkBKNAiPs&t=21m54s The ultimate conclusion is that this may be an unfortunate part of reality but it is still almost certainly not strong enough of a counterargument to overcome the arguments in favor of anarchy. |
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Release 0.5.8: http://download.nxtcrypto.org/nxt-client-0.5.8.zipsha256: 4f0ceb4583ba50a7b791635586249868958c90899d7a5033d2c763c701b859d5 Change log: Fixed a thread concurrency issue which is the likely cause of the OutOfMemory errors some have experienced. This is a critical bugfix, users of 0.5.7 should upgrade to 0.5.8. Added "type" and "subtype" filters to getAccountTransactionsIds API. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJS2DptAAoJEFOhyXc7+e2AQicQAIhfxm6B8EghfpdIIXlzK0KO MNAXhURrahleSi0TtAL/MMRt3GmhiNeLp3+75ffG40CsQENF5uepYLUd9Fdm5TKM wt1C8N5+ZLwm6pJFdwtm/RvAPnsmMnpZyqAyBjs3rg8OidqyjClDMESq5/XwB8eI wsWcPLreyCRBUZkpuZH8l3sfiDNI3LMJ0EWLdRWNKhxQJ3Dmmeiqta3bKWUfhbcY /0pO5yPZjEhfl5q1TIkc3G0ytZiKqjZbEkpij/GYZiljlj6OPG/D97FRKgQ7AojL Xpb5NRnP8ZDYgOFXHwSM6EgFqQHP+o05KRZ7x0lGdHxVH0YS/0rZ95aLELQrXORk OGnRrQ0S6ZVhEhX96J3LEblK2+WtgOI/3eCHjvKWyQWDYWY+eMVcpfReq0l7wAuy 7b0VE6LzfoZ22w7rRat/3ogsoGJvllZMM9FRkryzsbwThpqlf6CjQCYWMAqrH7A7 UwuuyGsKhUTlcNeC7eXzJFLD49n243b039otg4GNkUkiQdvqAZnc7G2qNz+sK9/Y R13r79o/8saIb/6rG9VYF4vfGk1nejcvJB6kMTEAmF1UoNLEByTvb6MOfAEbiD7Z W9ALRF8L9ZmiiJ/vCLtv2HIb/WCxWB0TH2vaN/fIalB8SNxBEcym6JkGqzEUvkFE yxBRoSLbe1gNIAZQ8mC5 =cVPw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Man you are a monster! I don't know if you get told enough just how much we appreciate the work you do, but just in case you don't, we do. |
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What do Utopian Future, Klee, Anon, 2Kewl4School and other prolific posters do? Do they program stuff? Write articles?
I wasn't aware that i was "prolific" but i like the sound of it.  No but seriously I'm just an enthusiast. I think the forging algo is, for lack of a better word, revolutionary. All of my interest and involvement stems out of that and its not even particular to nxt. If another unique coin used a similar algo than i would be involved there also. But yea i just study it, write about it, answer questions about it, and act as a trusted counterpart where ever my reputation for honesty can be of use to someone. |
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I could see it as being a nice feature to gauge the communities feeling about something but i dont think the voting its self should effect anything other than conveying information to interested parties. it could just be like a type of polling.
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The best would be to contact D. J. Bernstein, but I'm not sure that 10 BTC is high enough for his level of competence. if you need to raise more to get the right person i would help Thank u, but the community should decide if we want to contact him and how much to offer. Only individuals can make decisions. What i would say is to who ever contacts him, and make the 10 btc offer, if he declines because its not enough compensation, than we ask how much would be enough compensation. then we come back here and if its reasonable than we can attempt to crowed fund it. |
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We need to spend all 9Mil on development, we build something so good that people will spread the word organically.
+1000 this |
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Matthijs van Duin is xmath, but it appears to be edited in 2008 by someone.
Not sure how many Matthijs van Duins are in the world, but this email address is recent: xmath at cpan dot org, if you want to try to contact him. (from <https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/12/msg00511.html>) Already did a while ago :-) it's him The best would be to contact D. J. Bernstein, but I'm not sure that 10 BTC is high enough for his level of competence. if you need to raise more to get the right person i would help |
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thats unfortunate. it just means that we will have to hire a real cryptographer to do the review. it'll be a little more pricy but w/e. how much are you offering for the peer review?
10 BTC Yes, 10 BTC. That's why we r looking for a good cryptographer. Man that's awesome. I sure how you can find the right guy. Someone who's name carries with it a great deal of respect and credibility. |
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Thank u for the link. Unfortunatelly, it doesn't contain an implementation of EC-KCDSA. PS: BCNext modified original version of EC-KCDSA to increase requirements to hardware implementations of an Nxt wallet. This was supposed to increase protection of end users. But this also has some disadvantages, like inability to find other source code that does the same thing. I'm not even sure that the original contained such the code. thats unfortunate. it just means that we will have to hire a real cryptographer to do the review. it'll be a little more pricy but w/e. how much are you offering for the peer review? |
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Companies and citizens living in a functional anarchy would probably be completely isolated by other states and international organizations.
In my first example, probably, but I doubt they would mind much. I wouldn't mind living in a "country" where I am free to do whatever I believe is right, even if it makes me isolated from other countries. Also, don't forget, much of that isolation was in the form of financial sanctions, and those are quickly becoming impossible to enforce. Living in that country, I would still be able to anonymously buy things from hostile countries, or sell things to them, using our decentralized international currency. Heck, I could even sneak past a border and live off Bitcoin and LocalBitcoins cash if I wanted to visit some place. If my second example, non-anarchist countries will be the exception, since no country would be able to afford to maintain their status quo. But it would be an autarky, nobody could export anywhere and probably not import as well. probably a lot like the relationship between westeros and bravos who ever has access to our credit and weapons would dominate other states, who ever doesn't would be dominated. So basically they would all be trying to out do each other at kissing our asses. they would give away more and more and more of their real property inorder to gain our weapons and credit. Eventually they would be their own undoing because eventually they will have sold everything to us and then the whole world will be like us. *edit* We would never allow one state to dominate. when ever one began to gain the upper-hand we would cut their funding and raise the funding of their opponents. That's just self interest. You're talking about the "Iron Bank of Braavos" ? I am hoping that such a society would attract a lot of capital and powerful companies that would then lobby their governments to leave the anarchists alone. Ya like the iron bank. No need to lobby the government to leave us alone once they become totally dependent upon our line of credit. The states would be reckless and irresponsible (like usual) and borrow too much to the point where they couldn't afford the interest, then they would default and we would collect the real assets. Eventually we could collect ALL of the real assets and the whole world would be like us. |
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We are waiting for decentralized exchange and a professional peer review. Once we have that than it will be time to spend money on advertisement.
+1 ...waiting on the clients too!  oh yes this also. so 3 things. |
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Nxt isn't a product or service so you can't put it in that category. It's a currency/ecosystem/protocol/whoknowswhat. Paid advertising/marketing works really well with products and services. You serve ad impressions to potential customers, a certain percentage click through to your landing page, a certain percentage of those convert and pay up. It's lovely. But it won't work like that with Nxt because it isn't a product or service.
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It has to grow the same way Linux did. The same way Bittorrent did. The same way Bitcoin and Litecoin did. First we need to build something awesome and then we can use clever tactics to get the word out. Mass-marketing through paid advertising will not work.
+1! My assumption is that we do have cool tech already. Here is a test for you to try. Find an intelligent but non-programmer that you know. Give him $25 and tell him he needs to figure out how to purchase $25 of NXT. If you want to be helpful you can give him the URL of this thread. Substitute this person you know with a typical person who is interested in crypto and is deciding whether they want to put a little money into NXT. Tell me honestly that the current setup we have is within 10% of optimum. I know you like things to be close to optimal, why does it make sense to tweak the software until it is 99.99% perfect and leave the conversion process 99% inefficient? Sounds illogical to me. James We are waiting for decentralized exchange and a professional peer review. Once we have that than it will be time to spend money on advertisement. |
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So the result of saying someone is wrong, mistaken or outright lying is certain to get you called a denier.
hence my argument for why denier (atleast how its used colloquially) certainly must mean more than strict adherence to the dogma that would be "man kind is having no impact on the climate what so ever". I doubt you would be called a denier if you stated that countermeasures should be taken just ones that are not quite so costly as what your opponent proposes. And i certainly do think that you would be called a denier for stating that man is effecting the climate, but that its not so severe, or the costs of countermeasures would be so great, that nothing ought to be done about it. So yea i stick by my original assessment. Believing that no action ought to be taken in response to mans effect on the climate is probably right about where that line, which upon crossing, would cause you to be labeled a denier. I would like to agree with you, but I talk from personal experience. What gets you labeled as a denier, no matter how good your math or researched your position, is when you DISAGREE with the alarmist pushing a political controller type solution. In fact, if you look at the prominent "Deniers" you will see that actually they all have quite reasonable positions such as in italics above of yours. Interesting. So in your experience, if a climate alarmist says that the government ought to spend 1 trillion dollars on combating global warming over the next 5 years, and i argue that the government ought to spend 500 billion instead, you expect that i would be labeled a denier for this? |
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he wouldn't have to review the elliptic curve algo.. all he would have to do is copy the algo from the nxt source code, hash that code, copy the algo from the original source, hash that code and then compare the hashes. That code has been reviewed by cryptographers already, no need to do that all over again.
The problem is that we don't have the original source. what do you mean you don't have it? did it get lost and like you only have the compiled file? |
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Thank u. Keep us updated, plz.
From Ittay just now: I'm afraid I won't be able to do the code review for you. I would have to learn the details of the elliptic curve algorithm you're using, and I won't have enough time for that in the near future. I'll try and send you a name of someone who'd be perfect for the job (if he's interested, I'm waiting for his response).
Nevertheless, I thank you for the offer, and I would be glad to advise on the distributed aspects of your protocol, if you are interested at some point. Looking forward to seeing a white paper with the details of your architecture. I'm very glad to see novel cryptocurrency with actual innovation over Bitcoin.
Best,
Ittay Well, hopefully his guy will work out. At the very least, we've most likely got the academics and professional community talking about NXT now. will let you all know if this other guy he is referring will work out he wouldn't have to review the elliptic curve algo.. all he would have to do is copy the algo from the nxt source code, hash that code, copy the algo from the original source, hash that code and then compare the hashes. That code has been reviewed by cryptographers already, no need to do that all over again. |
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