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3981  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to determine the sender? on: September 25, 2012, 07:30:10 PM
The first link is an example showing trasaction from multiple senders and at most two receivers ( refering from Ch 9 in orginal bitcoin paper).
Suppose we have a transaction as A and B and C send total amount of 5 bitcoins to D and E. From the transaction, we can tell how many
bitcoins sent by A or B or C and how many received by D or E. But how can we tell how many bitcoins sent from A to D?
A, B, and C are almost certainly different addresses in the same wallet, and belong to one person. But in case you're wondering, clicking "Show scripts & coinbase" in blockchain.info will show you exactly how much came from each address.

The second link is an example of transaction from single sender to multiple receivers(more than 2) which is not shown in origianl paper.
Is this introduced by newer version in bitcoin?
No, this has always been around. In fact, it's pretty rare to find a transaction that doesn't send to two or more addresses, since transactions usually have to make change.

Both of these situations are explained in Chapter 9 of the whitepaper. Note that there's actually no limit on the number of outputs, and although a transaction from one person to another will normally only have two outputs, it is possible to use more than two outputs, for example when sending to multiple people with one transaction. The whitepaper only provides examples of the most common situation.
3982  Other / Off-topic / Re: Have you ever encountered other beings or aliens? on: September 25, 2012, 10:56:36 AM
"Pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'cause there's bugger all down here on Earth." -- The Galaxy Song
3983  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin-QT not detecting bitcoin.conf on: September 25, 2012, 08:05:50 AM
This may be a stupid question, but did you have "Hide extensions for known file types" in Explorer turned on when you created your bitcoin.conf file? If so, you've probably accidentally named your file "bitcoin.conf.txt" - that won't work at all. This "feature" is probably the single most annoying thing I've ever had to deal with on Windows systems - and that's saying a lot. Turn it off and leave it off, and your life will be a whole lot less annoying.
3984  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: OK first post and I have a technical question on: September 25, 2012, 07:50:43 AM
What Gabi said. The (out of sync) warning was introduced after a huge number of people complained that Bitcoin-Qt wasn't working properly, when really the problem was that they were trying to use it before it had finished synchronising with the network.

Please use the latest version of Bitcoin-Qt and leave it open until it has finished synchronising (which will take several hours or maybe even a day or two depending on your computer - it has to download and verify the entire transaction history; fortunately you only have to do this once, after that it only has to download new transactions to keep up to date). Don't try to do anything with it (except encrypt your wallet and back it up, in that order) until it has finished (however, you can shut it down and then restart it later if it's taking too long - it'll pick up where exactly it left off rather than starting from scratch, so you don't have to download it all at once if this is not practical for you).
3985  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to update bitcoin wallet? on: September 25, 2012, 07:22:50 AM
Just shut down Bitcoin, download the latest version, and install it. Back up your wallet first in case things go wrong (really, you should back up your wallet anyway whether you're upgrading or not), though usually nothing goes wrong. Your old wallet and blockchain will not be touched during the installation process and will be recognised and updated automatically when you start the new version.
3986  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How Long am i a Noob? on: September 24, 2012, 08:24:27 PM

Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The harsh restrictions of the outrageous noob jail,
Or to create meaningful content against a sea of spam,
And by posting, end them?
3987  Other / Off-topic / Re: I have a mosquito in my room on: September 24, 2012, 07:24:23 AM
I have spiders in my room. All insect problems solved. Grin
3988  Other / Off-topic / Re: I came up with an interesting business model. on: September 23, 2012, 05:41:40 AM
I don't get it. If I pay $50 for a box containing $40, and you get paid $30 to put $20 in a box, how is that any different from me just giving you $10? Are people really stupid enough to not realise that? Oh, wait, I just got it. Smiley
3989  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: what is the current price per share...average? on: September 20, 2012, 08:28:23 PM
It's the average share price over the last n days. It's used to even out day-to-day fluctuations to get a better general idea of the price.
3990  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: BitCoin business barrier to entry on: September 20, 2012, 11:08:56 AM
*Except in Colorado, where the rain is government property and preventing it from going down the drain is considered stealing. Technically, you can be arrested for staring at the sky with your mouth open on a rainy day.

LOL - please tell me you're kidding? Shocked
I kid you not. If you want to collect rainwater for any purpose in Colorado, you have to pay an exorbitant fee for a special permit (which can be refused for any reason and is subject to arbitrary restrictions) in order to essentially buy your rain from the government.
3991  Other / Off-topic / Re: Moon conspiracy thingy. on: September 19, 2012, 10:06:57 AM
I was on the interwebs months ago, and I ran across a conspiracy theory on something to do with some streaks that show up in moon pictures between earth and the moon. I thought it was about a space elevator conspiracy or something. Some one asked a question of me earlier about something similar to do with HAARP, but I cannot for the life of me figure out what the hell it was. Anybody have any idea what the Hell Im talking about?
Probably either a figment of some tinfoil-hatter's imagination, or radiation from the van Allen belts interfering with the camera. (To anyone who suggests that this radiation would have been fatal and this proves we never went to the Moon, the radiation levels were already determined to be non-fatal before manned missions were planned, and in any case, over 90% of the Apollo astronauts who left Earth orbit later developed a specific form of cataracts caused by radiation poisoning, proving that they were exposed to an unusually large dose of radiation, such as would be caused by travelling through the van Allen belts.)

HAARP refers to the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, which has been blamed by tinfoil-hatters for all sorts of things including earthquakes, floods, storms, drowsiness, and lack of appetite, despite being just a big HF radio transmitter with some fancy sensors to measure changing ionospheric conditions and how radio waves are affected by them. Since this is boring to most people, and most people assume that such a huge project ought to have a correspondingly exciting purpose, they tend to believe that the whole thing is just a cover-up for something nefarious, when really it's just a boring experiment studying boring radio waves. It's important and useful research for radio astronomers and people developing long-range RADAR equipment and the like, but that's just not exciting enough for most people.

How's this for Moon conspiracy: apparently, Buzz Aldrin was supposed to be the first man on the Moon, but Neil Armstrong decided that since he was in command, that honour ought to belong to him. Aldrin went along with it, presumably because low-gravity boxing techniques had yet to be developed, but got his revenge by refusing to take any photographs of Armstrong. If you've ever wondered why there are no pictures of Neil Armstrong on the Moon other than the fuzzy images recorded by the lunar module's TV camera, now you know. Grin
3992  Other / Off-topic / Re: NASA is developing warp drives.. on: September 19, 2012, 09:21:56 AM
Except the transporter failed to vaporize you ship side. The transporter technician sheepishly approaches you, guiding you off to the side, muttering some technical jargon about particle to energy converters failing, herding you into a rarely used compartment with the auspicious title on the panel next to the door: "Reserve particle to energy converter".
Nonsense. Transporter operators have much higher ethical standards than that. Nobody vaporised the duplicate Riker created by accident when a second transporter beam was activated when the first one became dangerously unstable, then the transporter operator forgot to deactivate the first beam, causing the poor guy to be rematerialised twice. Both Rikers were allowed to go on with their lives, though no record is made of society's reaction to the news that transporter operators can duplicate people just by pressing a button. (Probably because, due to the aforementioned ethical standards, transporter operators would never duplicate people deliberately. Oh, no. That absolutely never happens, right? Right?)
3993  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: BitCoin business barrier to entry on: September 19, 2012, 08:45:44 AM
Bitpay takes a percentage of my money.

I like cash because there are no Fee's; we here know Bitcoin is digital cash.

I don't like the idea of giving any percentage of my business to anyone. But I do like the idea of operating cashless and broadening accepted payment is never a bad thing. Bitpay might get away with it now, but tomorrows bitcoin vendors will have 0 transactions free's.

my 2 coins   
Actually, you can ditch BitPay right now and stop paying their fees simply by setting up the Bitcoin software on your server yourself, securing the server yourself, integrate it with your website yourself, and doing all that other complicated stuff all by yourself. Since doing all this yourself is not very easy, and not even advisable if you have no experience in these areas, you pay other companies to do it for you. You probably pay for water too, even though you could, if you wanted to, install a rainwater tank to collect your own water and pump it and filter it yourself for free*. It all comes down to convenience vs. cost. BitPay makes handling bitcoin payments far more convenient than managing it all yourself, so it's only fair that they receive a fee for their services. It is most unlikely that anyone will offer similar services for free, since there are real costs to providing these services.

*Except in Colorado, where the rain is government property and preventing it from going down the drain is considered stealing. Technically, you can be arrested for staring at the sky with your mouth open on a rainy day.
3994  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: HELP! Can't view pictures in posts on: September 18, 2012, 08:05:30 PM
It shouldn't be, I usually don't have this problem on other forum's.
Other forums don't usually use HTTPS. It's possible that your browser is configured to block images from non-HTTPS sites when using HTTPS. Do you get an "insecure content" warning when viewing threads containing images?
3995  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is a bitcoin can be divided with more than 8 zeros or not?? on: September 18, 2012, 10:23:34 AM
Oh yeah, I think I get it.  A group of one, then a group of two, then a group of three...   So you can indeed store an infinite number of reals.    That's pretty smart.  Thanks.  I've learnt something today.
Erm, no, you can store an infinte number of rational numbers. Representing the set of all real numbers (both rational and irrational) is harder, and may pose a potential security risk for the infinite divisibility fork: creation of infinite bitcoins through an infinite overflow caused by sending an irrational number of bitcoins (proving that bounds checking is still important, even when dealing with infinite memory).

Foxpup, I believe you are mistaken.  Until you mentioned it, this topic never had anything to do with infinitely divisible.

The OP asked only about more than 8 decimal places:
. . . So is it technically and easily possible to do that?

and grondilu, whom you replied to, only spoke of an arbitrary range.

Computers can certainly deal with more than 8 decimal places. I suppose deciding if it can deal with a "wide, arbitrary range" would depend on the definition of "wide".
It was a joke. People are constantly claiming that bitcoins are "infinitely" divisibile, which is of course completely ridiculous. And an "arbitrary" range is equally ridiculous if it is taken to mean "anything up to infinity", I was just pointing that out by taking that statement to it's logical extreme. I wasn't really expecting my comment to derail the whole thread. Oh well.
3996  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is a bitcoin can be divided with more than 8 zeros or not?? on: September 17, 2012, 06:01:13 AM
Technically?  Yes.  Any computer can deal with a wide, arbitrary range of numerical values.
Actually, no computer can, not even one with infinite memory, since an infinite amount of memory can only represent a countably infinite range of values, while the range of real numbers (not integers) is uncountably infinite. Fortunately, it is possible to infinitely divide an infinite range of integers without using non-integers for infinite future expansion (see Hilbert's paradox of the Grand Hotel for details), so this isn't an issue for Bitcoin. Though it's a moot point anyway since no computer in a finite universe can possibly have an infinite amount of memory in the first place, so bitcoins won't really be "infinitely" divisible until we extend the protocol beyond the physical limitations of our universe (this will require a hard fork).
3997  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Wht use bitcoins instead if USD or another currency? on: September 16, 2012, 02:28:45 PM
With Bitcoin, you can securely transfer money to anyone, anywhere in the world, anytime, day or night, even on weekends and holidays, have the funds "clear" in about 10 minutes on average, and all this for less than a penny in fees. No other means of transferring money even comes close.
3998  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are miners or investors more important? on: September 16, 2012, 04:59:29 AM
I am actually looking to invest in bitcoins very soon. is it even possible to buy large amounts of btc at once?
Depends on what you mean by "large". Anything under $100,000 worth shouldn't be too difficult. Much larger amounts than that are possible, but not as easy and certainly not advisable, as bitcoin's market cap is only around $100,000,000 at the moment, so it only takes few million dollars or so to seriously disrupt the market.
3999  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Hi everybody. on: September 15, 2012, 01:03:11 PM
Why, yes, I am tried some "unusual blends" of "herbal incense". Grin
4000  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: 1 hour for a safe transaction? really? how is this being addressed? on: September 15, 2012, 02:58:42 AM
As others have said, waiting for more than 1 or 2 confirmations is overkill unless you have reason to suspect your customer will be willing spend millions on an attack which will be immediately obvious after he executes it. Such an attack has never happened before and is very unlikely to be successfully attempted in the future.

In any case, what other electronic payment systems exist that allow you to securely and irreversibly transfer funds anywhere in the world in less than an hour?
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