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41  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 15, 2017, 12:15:27 PM
LEGAL ASPECTS OF X8X
What is a Utility Token? Is X8X really a Utility Token? Where are the arguments?

For too long, the question of the legal status of cryptocurrencies was neglected or even ignored.
Lately, with the USA establishing better control and China even banning crypto until further notice,
the crypto world has begun to acknowledge that rules and legislation have to be studied carefully
and legal measures have to be undertaken. It is not only the case that ICOs have to subordinate
to the laws of the country where their issuing company is established, but they have to become
responsible towards their investors and explore the legal aspects of their crypto token
in those countries where investors live and pay taxes.

There were several attempts to unite the standards for the legal status of Digital Assets (“DAs”),
but for now countries around the globe treat DAs quite differently. Although we can make some
general conclusions or summaries, we should not expect all tax, law enforcement and regulatory
entities to share the same view or position.

A generally accepted view, based on many articles, legal advice and reports divides digital crypto DAs into 3 groups:

1. Cryptocurrencies
2. Utility Tokens
3. Tokenized Securities

There is no strict definition of each group and there are some assets, that share similarities with more than just one group.

Cryptocurrencies
Similar to fiat currencies such as the Euro and the US Dollar, the main purpose of cryptocurrencies is to carry value and enable
transactions of value possible. That does not mean, that other crypto assets represent no value. The argument is in substance, in the main purpose.

It can be arguable as to what is the actual intrinsic value of cryptocurrencies, although some make a very
 quick conclusion: “The true value of a cryptocurrency is in the trust of its owners and users.” If trust is lost,
deliberately or accidentally, cryptocurrencies usually lose all value and exchange rates plummet rapidly.
The opposite conclusion is not necessary true, cryptocurrencies with extremely good records and valuation
do not necessarily own public trust, as market speculation can still dictate the fate of exchange rates.

Cryptocurrencies usually have the ambition to become a payment vehicle, which means that owners
can buy other monetary or physical assets with these cryptocurrencies. Therefore, it is expected for t
hese cryptocurrencies to have a broad pool of owners, large enough to create its own economy, where
people trade goods and assets. Nevertheless, cryptocurrencies can have very unique digital encryption
techniques to reach consensus on approved transactions, often inextricably linked with the process of
issuance. Some of these mechanisms (e.g. staking) can bring some cryptocurrencies very close to the definition of securities.

Generally, if a DA shares most of its features with fiat currency then you are probably looking at a cryptocurrency.

Utility Tokens
Nomen est omen. These DAs are mainly used for utilization of a service. You can imagine them as a
ticket or counter, that allows an owner to use a certain number of service functionalities, to gain certain
data, acquire better insight or upgrade. Therefore these tokens carry value, but usually the issuer is
quite indifferent or agnostic towards its trading value. The DA issuer should not be in a conflict of interest.
A utility token must be freely available to all potential users of the respected service or utility. Groups of users
can be smaller, usability can be pegged to a limited number of service providers.

But, what about the number of DAs in circulation? Can these utilities become securities, if you remove,
destroy or permanently lock or keep a certain amount of DAs, thus decreasing the number of DAs in circulation?
It is not definitive, lawyers tend to study a DA’s model closely before making any conclusion. Even buy-back
plans and programs, where an issuer returns some of the profit to a DA’s owners can be problematic, although
some (EU) legislations would classify these DAs as profit-sharing contracts.

The issuer of such a DA would not consider his ICO as an “investment opportunity”, but rather as a
“contributions to the cause”. Many startup companies found issuing their own DAs a very convenient
method to raise funds to build their infrastructure and ecosystems. The main purpose of distributing
their DAs is to grow a community of potential service users.

Tokenized security
As for the USA, the Securities and Exchange Commision (“SEC”) announced a general test that decides,
if a DA should be considered as a security. The definition is reduced to simple questions, that make up the Hovey test:

● Is it an investment of money or assets?

● Is the investment of money or assets in a common enterprise?

● Is there an expectation of profits from the investment?

● Does any profit come from the efforts of a promoter or third party?

If the business model of the DA offers affirmative answers to these questions, the DA should d
efinitely be treated as a Security and thus comply with wider legislation. It does not mean, that
this DA is illegal, it just has to be registered with and overviewed by the SEC.

If you look for an ultimate confirmation, you should observe investor activity. If the profits arise
and are distributed without the need of investor to actively cooperate or contribute with knowledge,
actions or informations, then the DA is most likely a tokenized security.

42  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 15, 2017, 10:47:04 AM
What is the technology behind the x8c? You say it is working already, but there is no x8c??

The technology behind X8C is called ARM AI. There is a special whitepaper just about it available: https://x8currency.com/wp-content/uploads/X8-and-ARM-Technology-whitepaper.pdf
This technology is also already available for institutions or HNWIs but not embedded in a token on blockchain.
43  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 15, 2017, 02:15:19 AM

Looks like interesting project, since projects are requiring Know your clients (KYC) and Anti-Money Laundering (AML) because consumer protection was really clear. Do have any updates after this for this week?

I hope that this project will become attractive to the eye of more investors.

Stay tuned. There are some exciting things coming up shortly;)
44  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 14, 2017, 10:57:00 PM
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- Limited Whitelist Pre-Sale starts on Thursday, 4th Jan 2018 at 12:00 CET
 - Limited Whitelist Pre-Sale ends on Saturday, 6th Jan 2018 at 12:00 CET

WHat is mean Limited in this case?
Limited to a certain number of participants, or limited to a certain amount of funds?
The limited whitelist presale means individual contribution will be limited. The limits will be announced before the presale.

Oh thanks for pointing that out, I'm quite confused about that as well anyway why did you decide to limit the number of participants who can join the pre-sale? Don't you think that will restrict this project from being available to a larger market? It's always a known fact that conducting a pre-sale is a way for a project to get introduced to the cryptocurrency world, it's both a fundraising and a promotional campaign, that's why a lot of projects offers bonuses and discounts to gain a lot of attention from the cyprocurrency community. So by limiting the number of participants, that will make this project quite isolated to other cyprocurrency enthusiasts and it will be hard for this project to be known by a lot of people if only a few can participate because most likely if people are not part of the community then they will just most likely forget about the project and move on to the next, don't get me wrong I like this idea but I just think that it's not the best move especially now that you're just starting to gain an audience.
The whitelist is not limited in participants. The contribution of the first phase is. It is in our interest to achieve wide dispersion of the X8X token. With that aim we will also set the limits of the limited whitelist presale. Also, there is more to come in terms of making the token known in the following days and weeks:)
45  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 14, 2017, 10:52:51 PM
So i see connection between X8X and X8C. What will be the X8X price from you company after the ico?
After the  TGE X8X stored for institutional reserve will be sold at 0.1€ per token. If the market price at the time of selling is higher, they will be sold at market price.
46  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 14, 2017, 09:01:42 PM
If you invest in limited, can you invest in crowdsale then too?
Of course, anyone who goes successfuly through the KYC process can.
47  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 14, 2017, 08:40:40 PM
Any projections on token behaviour after ico? I don't remember seeing it on the site.
There are no projections on the site, but there is a blog post about the price estimates and different factors behind it. https://www.ionectar.com/business-model-of-the-x8-utility-token/
48  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 14, 2017, 07:52:36 PM
where can I found whitepaper?

The whitepaper for the TGE can be found on the following link: http://bit.ly/2B0e6fd

It can also be found at the top of our website: https://x8currency.com/
49  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 14, 2017, 07:20:36 PM
Will everyone on the whitelist get a chance to invest? I mean the cap is rather small...
We will definitely take this into account when we are deciding on the limits of the first phase.
50  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 14, 2017, 04:14:43 PM
Any bonus for whitelist? When do we get X8X tokens after ico?
we have decide there will be no bonuses or bounties in our TGE. X8X tokens will be issued within a week after the event.
51  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 14, 2017, 01:19:14 PM
How long till KYC forms now that I signed up?
KYC forms will be accessible on 18 December.
52  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 14, 2017, 12:35:50 PM
Quote
- Limited Whitelist Pre-Sale starts on Thursday, 4th Jan 2018 at 12:00 CET
 - Limited Whitelist Pre-Sale ends on Saturday, 6th Jan 2018 at 12:00 CET

WHat is mean Limited in this case?
Limited to a certain number of participants, or limited to a certain amount of funds?
The limited whitelist presale means individual contribution will be limited. The limits will be announced before the presale.
53  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 14, 2017, 12:14:03 AM
KYC BEGINS AND TGE TIMELINE FINALISED

Dear X8 project supporters and fans!
We are happy to announce that the X8 project has successfully implemented the KYC procedure in cooperation with the provider, which is capable of delivering services in accordance with Swiss FINMA guidelines on the matter.
This solution means that the X8 project further increases the standard, strengthening the Swiss base which has already been established. This solution meets strict requirements and ensures the best position for the project and the necessary level of business compliance for it to engage with institutions as well.
The procedure will take participants through a guided video verification of personal documents and will require each one to fill in and upload the required AML forms in the pdf format during the procedure. X8 project will raise funds during the pre-sale and crowdsale in line with Swiss KYC/AML requirements and will be one of the first TGEs to meet this level of transparency and compliance with all existing rules and regulations.
Because of these relatively high requirements, which also in turn makes the X8X Utility Token a better and more valuable token, we decided to give our contributors enough time to complete the KYC in full within a comfortable time period. Furthermore, based on legal advice we received in regard to recent Ethereum congestion, this will help the project to protect contributors and reduce the risk of not being able to contribute if potentially another or a similar Ethereum congestion event takes place during the TGE stages. As a result, we are presenting the extended timeline for the TGE.
 
X8X TGE Timeline:
 
 - Whitelist registration is ongoing
 - KYC instruction video and text will be published on Sunday, 17th Dec
 - KYC for registered Whitelist members starts live on Monday, 18th Dec
 - Limited Whitelist Pre-Sale starts on Thursday, 4th Jan 2018 at 12:00 CET
 - Limited Whitelist Pre-Sale ends on Saturday, 6th Jan 2018 at 12:00 CET
 - 2-day break
 - Unlimited Whitelist Pre-Sale starts on Monday, 8th Jan 2018 at 12:00 CET
 - Unlimited Whitelist Pre-Sale ends on Wednesday, 10th Jan 2018 at 12:00 CET
 - 2-day break
 - Crowdsale starts on Friday, 12th Jan 2018 at 12:00 CET
 - Last Registration/KYC open date: 20th Jan 2018
 - Crowdsale ends on Monday, 22th Jan 2018 at 12:00 CET
 

This is the final timeline of the TGE of the X8 project. Details and instructions will be provided and published on the existing X8 project channels.
We invite you to join us in the TGE and to obtain your X8X tokens!
54  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 14, 2017, 12:08:43 AM
I signed up for the whitelist because I do believe in your project and I see a huge potential here, being in the world of cryptocurrency for almost 2 years now, I do think that volatility is both a blessing and a curse, it has its advantages and it also has its disadvantages and it has been part of the cyrpto world ever since the beginning but it's nice to have a cryptocurrency that's quite stable and is not giving you any fear that you might lose all your money at the end of the day so when I read about your project I really got attracted by the fact that you're offering a cryptocurrency that's safe and secure and its main goal is to fight volatility. I read your whitepaper and I'm quite impressed to be honest, I really like the way your project works, I like the fact that you're incorporating an Artificial Intelligence to find the best exchange rates to preserve the value of this project for a long period of time, reading that is striking, but I think it will be best if there's a demonstration on how your AI works, so that people will have an assurance that it will really work the way that its supposed to and I also do like to comment on your roadmap, it seems like you have already raised a minimum cap, can I ask how much you have raised so far through private placement? And I also have another question in your whitepaper there are 2 tokens X8X and the X8C, during the token generation event participants will get the utility token right? So when will we able to trade it to X8C token? And you also mention that the X8C token will be burned? Can you explain further on that? Sorry if I'm asking too many questions I'm just really interested with this project so I really want to understand and know more.


Thank you for the comment and the questions. Do not hesitate to ask questions.
The running performance of the ARM AI is operating on behalf of financial insitutions. These institutions are not inclined to reveal their realtime financial performance to third parties. In fact a release of such details would be illegal due to laws governing confidentiality. However, there is a written reference on the website from a financial institution of NZ. It would of course be useful to be able to share all this information but the very nature of the industry prohibits that until these figures are published in the annual reports of the institutions concerned then we cannot divulge them.
We raised just over 1 mil in the fiat presale.
You are right, TGE will issue X8X utility tokens. X8C will be issued shortly after the TGE. At first we believed it would take up to 90 days to install everything, now we know it can be much sooner. Since X8C cannot exist without full backing the redeemed tokens are of no use, hence they will be burned.

Oh so that's why I couldn't find any real time financial results from the ARM AI that you're using with this project, it's confidential anyway I've seen the written reference on your website and honestly it's impressive, it seems like this technology is really doing its purpose, but I just have something to ask the chart shows the X8 performance index so this token has already been trading since 2015?. You've raised 1 million USD? That's already a huge amount mate, congrats on that milestone. I'm just curious how did you conducted the presale? Were there big companies who took part of the pre sale? And is the amount raised your targeted amount?. That's great! The sooner the better, so now how much days does it take? Is that information already available?. Nice that's a really good feature, now I understand why it should be burned. Thanks for answering my questions mate! I really do appreciate you for taking the time answering questions and updating this thread with the current news of the project.

Thank you. The fiat pre-sale was a private placement so it was not publicly advertised. Institutional contributors count on our discretion so we cannot disclose their names unless they confirm otherwise. We can say our contributors were physical individuals as well as institutions. Our target is to raise 3,4 million additionally to the million alreay raised. But the project goes on regardless of the funds gathered from now on since the infrastructure is almost complete. The information about the exact days regarding the TGE will be released shortly.

That's great that no matter how much the amount raised you're still gonna continue with the project, this is a really good project and not continuing with it because of lack of funds will be such a waste of a wonderful vision, do you have like a budget plan for the ranges of the amount raised? Like if the amount raised is in this specific range then this will be the plans for this project, like budget scenarios? Do you have something like that? Because I haven't seen something like that on the whitepaper yet but maybe I just missed it. Anyway when was this pre sale conducted? Was it around this year, last year or around 2015?. So the infrastructure is almost complete? That's a wonderful news so when are you going to release the finish product is it by the end of this month? Or around 2018 just like what's stated in the roadmap?. Great! I can't wait to read that news, I hope it will be soon so that this project will finally gain some hype.

You have seen correctly. No plan for different amounts raised has been published. Should we raise less than the hard cap our medium term plans like further diversification of holdings between 8 more brokers or banks would be postponed. Likewise the introduction of payment system for the X8C. The private fiat presale was conducted this year. we have just announced that we have adjusted the date of the TGE to give everyone more comfortable time for the KYC proces and also to provide a buffer for possible blockchain congestions. You can read the details here: https://www.ionectar.com/kyc-begins-and-tge-timeline-finalised/
55  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 13, 2017, 11:54:52 PM
How much will be limited in first phase?
The whitelist pre-sale limit has not been announced yet. It will be released in due course before the TGE.
56  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 13, 2017, 10:20:14 PM
What are the main differences comparing to Tether? If my memory is correct, tether is pegged to 1 currency and x8c to 8. You also promised a lot more transparency.

I also remember reading some time ago a blog on the comparison. Could you maybe post it here again?

There are quite some differences between X8C and USDT. To name just a few:

1. USDT is pegged to only one currency, X8C is backed by 8 different fiat currencies and gold coins
2. USDT is pegged (fixed ratio), X8C on the other hand is actively managed by ARM AI
3. Regular audits will be performed by an independent auditor JP Fund and there will also be a chance for a individual audit requested by a holder of the tokens

The above present just a few major differences. You can find more the following two blogs - http://bit.ly/2Ajmjru and http://bit.ly/2wfOfN9
57  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 13, 2017, 06:57:47 PM
One more question. No X8X mean no X8C, right?
x8C will be available on exchanges but not without fees and not as new issuance. Having X8X will mean you get zero fee x8C with no limits in liquidity. It will also mean you can exit and enter fiat sa many times as you want.
58  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 13, 2017, 06:34:16 PM
When will we be able to use X8C coins?
You will be able to use X8C shortly after the TGE. At first we expected the timeframe of 3 months, now we know it will be much sooner.
59  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 13, 2017, 09:27:24 AM
I signed up for the whitelist because I do believe in your project and I see a huge potential here, being in the world of cryptocurrency for almost 2 years now, I do think that volatility is both a blessing and a curse, it has its advantages and it also has its disadvantages and it has been part of the cyrpto world ever since the beginning but it's nice to have a cryptocurrency that's quite stable and is not giving you any fear that you might lose all your money at the end of the day so when I read about your project I really got attracted by the fact that you're offering a cryptocurrency that's safe and secure and its main goal is to fight volatility. I read your whitepaper and I'm quite impressed to be honest, I really like the way your project works, I like the fact that you're incorporating an Artificial Intelligence to find the best exchange rates to preserve the value of this project for a long period of time, reading that is striking, but I think it will be best if there's a demonstration on how your AI works, so that people will have an assurance that it will really work the way that its supposed to and I also do like to comment on your roadmap, it seems like you have already raised a minimum cap, can I ask how much you have raised so far through private placement? And I also have another question in your whitepaper there are 2 tokens X8X and the X8C, during the token generation event participants will get the utility token right? So when will we able to trade it to X8C token? And you also mention that the X8C token will be burned? Can you explain further on that? Sorry if I'm asking too many questions I'm just really interested with this project so I really want to understand and know more.


Thank you for the comment and the questions. Do not hesitate to ask questions.
The running performance of the ARM AI is operating on behalf of financial insitutions. These institutions are not inclined to reveal their realtime financial performance to third parties. In fact a release of such details would be illegal due to laws governing confidentiality. However, there is a written reference on the website from a financial institution of NZ. It would of course be useful to be able to share all this information but the very nature of the industry prohibits that until these figures are published in the annual reports of the institutions concerned then we cannot divulge them.
We raised just over 1 mil in the fiat presale.
You are right, TGE will issue X8X utility tokens. X8C will be issued shortly after the TGE. At first we believed it would take up to 90 days to install everything, now we know it can be much sooner. Since X8C cannot exist without full backing the redeemed tokens are of no use, hence they will be burned.

Oh so that's why I couldn't find any real time financial results from the ARM AI that you're using with this project, it's confidential anyway I've seen the written reference on your website and honestly it's impressive, it seems like this technology is really doing its purpose, but I just have something to ask the chart shows the X8 performance index so this token has already been trading since 2015?. You've raised 1 million USD? That's already a huge amount mate, congrats on that milestone. I'm just curious how did you conducted the presale? Were there big companies who took part of the pre sale? And is the amount raised your targeted amount?. That's great! The sooner the better, so now how much days does it take? Is that information already available?. Nice that's a really good feature, now I understand why it should be burned. Thanks for answering my questions mate! I really do appreciate you for taking the time answering questions and updating this thread with the current news of the project.

Thank you. The fiat pre-sale was a private placement so it was not publicly advertised. Institutional contributors count on our discretion so we cannot disclose their names unless they confirm otherwise. We can say our contributors were physical individuals as well as institutions. Our target is to raise 3,4 million additionally to the million alreay raised. But the project goes on regardless of the funds gathered from now on since the infrastructure is almost complete. The information about the exact days regarding the TGE will be released shortly.
60  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] X8X Token Generation Event - Your access to safety and stability on: December 12, 2017, 10:40:10 PM
How can you make sure that your system fights against inflation?

What happens if X8C price on exchanges becomes higher than at your company's exchange, because your ARM cant control it.

ARM AI fights inflation by constatnly adjusting the ratios od currencies within the basket. Its performance is tracked on our site: https://x8currency.com/#product

X8C will most likely fluctuate on exchanges. That is why it will be so advantageous to possess x8x tokens because, among other things, they will ensure fair value exchnage with our company at any time. Those without X8X will have to take into acount current prices on exchanges and commissions.
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