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great thread, i think i may use this method to get my bitcoin cash...
just wondering if you blokes are ahead with this yet?
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Im just getting used to bitcore.
Are you using bitcore or Bitcoin Core? If the latter, please do not refer to it as bitcore as Bitcore is an entirely separate software that is based on Bitcoin Core. First task, add or import paper-wallet,
Take the decrypted private key from your paper wallet. Import it using importprivkey <private key>
Second Task, Export bitcore wallet back to the same paper-wallet. Using the same address should be ok for these two tasks
That's not how Bitcoin or paper wallet work. You don't export Bitcoin and addresses are mapped to private keys (of which a paper wallet is just one private key) so you can't possible get a different address. You are importing private keys, not sending Bitcoin anywhere. A? With bitcore wallet encrypted and with no password, should I be able to see the private keys in wallet.dat
Yes, the wallet.dat contains all of your private keys. They are not in a human readable format as that would be pointless. or in recievingaddressexport.csv?
You should not see any private keys in that at all whatsoever. How do I then delete all data in BC to make it fresh...
Go to the Bitcoin Core data directory and delete all of the files in there. If you delete your wallet.dat file, you will be deleting your private keys and they are not recoverable unless you have a backup. B? Also, i mistakenly overwrote the first wallet.dat file with one of my public-address's in it but i had not imported a private key into it.
The wallet.dat contains the private key for that address, unless you had imported just the address. You don't need to import private keys for everything, Bitcoin Core will generate private keys and their corresponding addresses for you. im using bitcoin-qt, the one with the humongous download...  ... Im surprised importing a key is done in a command line, rather than paste box but ive prolly got to much to learn...maybe c&p-ing in the rpc panel doesnt make it to the pastee buffer, anyway... if it was gui imagine all the buttons Sorry about using the "import" and "ecport" words incorrectly, i can see how they would really confuse a help... i really meant send... Im going to import my old paper-wallet key into bc, wait for it to update and i can see stuff, then im going to send the amount to a new paper-wallet i have previously made...many thanks for your help... |
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bitaddress.org sorts it... as it says, do it on a secure machine with a secure printer and read many accounts of how to do it... practise with small amounts....
one of the things im finding is it is much easier to buy it, "risk wise", using a paper wallet ie generate your numbers, transfere it from your brokers to you...
all th other sorts of wallets one seems to have to invest some trust into....
remember, never trust anyone!
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noobs reply, verification of bitcore takes as long as it takes you to download the 120G blockchain file.... you get your private keys (that's where im up to from the command line thingy (rpc console) in BC's Help Menu. I got a paper-wallet first, much much easier for my noobness |
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heya ta for reading... i did google this stuff but yearh, not enough discretion in the term to find anything likely... Im just getting used to bitcore. First task, add or import paper-wallet, Second Task, Export bitcore wallet back to the same paper-wallet. Using the same address should be ok for these two tasks In the above tasks I am just trying to see BC outputs in it's output files, ie...i havnt encrypted it or password it yet. (but will have by the time you read this post ... A? With bitcore wallet encrypted and with no password, should I be able to see the private keys in wallet.dat or in recievingaddressexport.csv? If so why arn't I? (lol, yer right, it's just me on the whole big internet) How do I then delete all data in BC to make it fresh... B? Also, i mistakenly overwrote the first wallet.dat file with one of my public-address's in it but i had not imported a private key into it. Does doing that that have any implication for use with other wallets? I will now Encrypt and Passphrase bitcore... Task Three, import paper-wallet, send to bitcore wallet address, then send to new paperwallet. Then export as back-ups only. My coin is on paper now so it's out bitcore. |
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1) i tried importing my main btc address using bitcores command line function, just the adress, not the key. It used the adress as a "label" and associated another address to it... has bitcore now created a different key for that original address i imported...
I hope I am answering my own question correctly...
yes, btcore creates another key and address but that is only associated to that label and no real changes have been made to the original addy and key - What you may find is you can now get confused between label's and addrss's
2) i exported some recieving address but can't find the keys in wallet.dat or the csv file? Is this correct?
many thanks for any help
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Just installed Electron Cash in my notebook, transfered my BTC to a new wallet, send my old btc private key from an empty old btc wallet, BCC funds OK, nice, right server sync OK, then I've made a transaction with enormous amount of fee to my Bittrex BCC online wallet: Fee 0.00634838 BTC 2.54 USDUnconfirmed transaction with more than an hour, LOL  , I really don't care about rescuing these coins, it's more a test to see how the BCC/BCH network is going on and I can say it's slow as hell, trash. BCH little bastard coin will probably die with this puny hashrate power, where are the miners to confirm transactions and secure the network? China only? Crappy coin indeed. You sound like you've made up your mind already so you definitely should sell as fast as you can. Bitcoin Cash is only three days old, though, and seems to be doing pretty damned well IMO. It definitely has proven the Core/Blockstream narrative that a hard fork would cause mass disruption or the valuation to tank to be patently false. so that's what you base your judgement on, Three Days? During those three days people really havn't been able to do anything to it, nor has it's market settled, nor are some of the exchanges acting honestly, nor people will have there BCH for months. Im only 14 days into blockchain, but even I can tell your off... As a new fork starting with the same full difficulty as the legacy chain, I think it's doing quite well to date. Am I deciding nothing bad can happen from now on based on three days history? Not at all. But I'm also not writing its obituary, especially considering it has experienced no real problems so far. If I'm wrong, and you have specific incidents to demonstrate this, please educate me. I'm here to learn. The Satoshi ideal surpasses people's faith in the establishment, that is really specific... careful how you answer, you may expose yourself |
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Just installed Electron Cash in my notebook, transfered my BTC to a new wallet, send my old btc private key from an empty old btc wallet, BCC funds OK, nice, right server sync OK, then I've made a transaction with enormous amount of fee to my Bittrex BCC online wallet: Fee 0.00634838 BTC 2.54 USDUnconfirmed transaction with more than an hour, LOL , I really don't care about rescuing these coins, it's more a test to see how the BCC/BCH network is going on and I can say it's slow as hell, trash. BCH little bastard coin will probably die with this puny hashrate power, where are the miners to confirm transactions and secure the network? China only? Crappy coin indeed. You sound like you've made up your mind already so you definitely should sell as fast as you can. Bitcoin Cash is only three days old, though, and seems to be doing pretty damned well IMO. It definitely has proven the Core/Blockstream narrative that a hard fork would cause mass disruption or the valuation to tank to be patently false. so that's what you base your judgement on, Three Days? During those three days people really havn't been able to do anything to it, nor has it's market settled, nor are some of the exchanges acting honestly, nor people will have there BCH for months. Im only 14 days into blockchain, but even I can tell your off... As a new fork starting with the same full difficulty as the legacy chain, I think it's doing quite well to date. Am I deciding nothing bad can happen from now on based on three days history? Not at all. But I'm also not writing its obituary, especially considering it has experienced no real problems so far. If I'm wrong, and you have specific incidents to demonstrate this, please educate me. I'm here to learn. The satoshi philosophy trumps the establishment, I really don't think one could get more specific than that. Be careful in your reply or you'll expose yourself |
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Just installed Electron Cash in my notebook, transfered my BTC to a new wallet, send my old btc private key from an empty old btc wallet, BCC funds OK, nice, right server sync OK, then I've made a transaction with enormous amount of fee to my Bittrex BCC online wallet: Fee 0.00634838 BTC 2.54 USDUnconfirmed transaction with more than an hour, LOL , I really don't care about rescuing these coins, it's more a test to see how the BCC/BCH network is going on and I can say it's slow as hell, trash. BCH little bastard coin will probably die with this puny hashrate power, where are the miners to confirm transactions and secure the network? China only? Crappy coin indeed. You sound like you've made up your mind already so you definitely should sell as fast as you can. Bitcoin Cash is only three days old, though, and seems to be doing pretty damned well IMO. It definitely has proven the Core/Blockstream narrative that a hard fork would cause mass disruption or the valuation to tank to be patently false. so that's what you base your judgement on, Three Days? During those three days people really havn't been able to do anything to it, nor has it's market settled, nor are some of the exchanges acting honestly, nor people will have there BCH for months. Im only 14 days into blockchain, but even I can tell your off... |
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Is BCH and BCC are different coins? Can I split into both same priv key?
not during the same transaction... port your btc to a new address, port your bcc to a new address, then combine then...prolly better to tune thier size to the tx fee of your provider...i think that all right.. |
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I don't feel at the moment, there are no consequences fork of bitcoin, but that's not it. For any currency that was not a good action. It is in any case will have an impact on both coins. It was necessary to negotiate, but not to share. This is an example of what the bitcoin is not decentralized as people think.
It's all good, we are only part way through. i heard your thoughts re-decentralisation at a meetup this week and it up to us, the true satoshi bitizens to maintain the pressure and volume on the forks and on btc..and to also spend it, it's really important we spend it..... i feel bcc may rise to parity with the usd purely because of the pressure that going to be put on it, the public will chase it and the'll get it educated to crypto. Along the way they will notice the satoshi system, they will wonder a tiny bit, they will probably even hold a little btc. One day each of them will realise bcc is the establishment with high fees and the'll look around a bit before crashing bcc. Then they will realise what the blockchain really is and they will embrace it exactly like we have, then we will have a decentralisation. The establishment, the hackers, the fail's, loss's and forks, they all play an crucial part in getting this to the masses. Especially the forks, they should be called routes. |
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Thank you for this guide. I definitely am happy that I moved most of my coins to a spot where I will have access to bitcoin cash, as it seems we were basically given free money (if this blockchain keeps on truckin on)...
I am itching to get some bitcoin cash and just transact a little bit, but I think I am going to wait for the dust to settle a bit and then start splitting and whatnot. It makes me nervous moving around all the coins and stuff. I know it shouldn't but doing big transactions still make my heart race sometimes when I'm worried I've pasted the address incorrectly or something like that.
don't worry kiethers, i've got a tiny silly piddly amount and im freaking every time i transact to... |
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First learn how Bitcoin actually works. In the thin client section 4 you mention importing your "private keys". If i only had one wallet and only intended to send it to one wallet would your "private keys" read just "private key" . I've only got one wallet and only intend to send it to one wallet (very small amount)
What is a wallet? A wallet is a collection of key pairs. If you have BTC on multiple addresses, then we are talking about multiple private keys. If all your Bitcoin are on a single address, then you only need the private key of that address. i would really prefer to use core because i only have to trust core, im in the process of installing it...
You don't have to trust Bitcoin Core. You can review the whole code yourself, compile and build the wallet. Alternatively, you are not just "trusting" Core, but every single person that has ever reviewed that code. Thanks! I appreciate your help!
You're welcome. learn how bitcoin works, lol, I gota' learn how to ask a question first.... i missed a sentence or two and really should adopt "import" and "export" more, it would show my questions in a different light...you must sit there shakin' your head half the night lol.... A paper wallet is the same thing as a normal wallet, the idea is to generate it offline (computer not connected to the web, preferably using a bootable CD) and to only use the private key when you want to empty it. If you decide to import the private key instead of sweeping it, you can then use it as any other wallet. I didn't understand your quesiton about a broker though, do you have the private key of the current address where your BTC are ? thanks again Lauda...just getting a handle on the terminology Import - import into wallet software Sweep - sweeps funds completely of wallet address my broker question was an alternative to using bitcoin core ...ive got a lappy stripped and all set offline up to do my paper wallets - i've gone as far as removed the hdd and the modem & wifi chips... I didnt want to use that (paperwallet) lappy to run wallet software, i dont want to use my main machine to run wallet software and i don't have a third machine to set up to run wallet software, (only for the purpose of claiming the bcc) so i was considering using using a broker or blockchain info to sweep my btc's to a different address and then do the bcc import... thinks will be clearer for me once i get core down, thanks again |
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First learn how Bitcoin actually works. In the thin client section 4 you mention importing your "private keys". If i only had one wallet and only intended to send it to one wallet would your "private keys" read just "private key" . I've only got one wallet and only intend to send it to one wallet (very small amount)
What is a wallet? A wallet is a collection of key pairs. If you have BTC on multiple addresses, then we are talking about multiple private keys. If all your Bitcoin are on a single address, then you only need the private key of that address. i would really prefer to use core because i only have to trust core, im in the process of installing it...
You don't have to trust Bitcoin Core. You can review the whole code yourself, compile and build the wallet. Alternatively, you are not just "trusting" Core, but every single person that has ever reviewed that code. Thanks! I appreciate your help!
You're welcome. learn how bitcoin works, lol, I gota' learn how to ask a question first.... i missed a sentence or two and really should adopt "import" and "export" more, it would show my questions in a different light...you must sit there shakin' your head half the night lol.... |
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many thanks for your write-up theymos...i hope you don't mind if i ask.... If i use my broker wallet to do the first transfere of existing funds and then a thin clinet on my main machine, uninstalling the client afterwards because i prefer paperwallets, would that be ok assuming the broker was ok....
In the thin client section 4 you mention importing your "private keys". If i only had one wallet and only intended to send it to one wallet would your "private keys" read just "private key" . I've only got one wallet and only intend to send it to one wallet (very small amount)
i would really prefer to use core because i only have to trust core, im in the process of installing it...
May i also ask... Once core is installed i would like to spllt my note into smaller wallets for the kids. I get making secure paper wallets and replacing my brokers wallet, but im stuck on the wallet may only be used once bit. How do i split it into smalls if i can only use it for one transaction... i havnt seen the core interface yet, im just really hoping in the send section there is a little plus to add more address's and im really hoping the 'can use wallet only once' should be "should really only use wallet only once because after that the key is ecposed", or is the "only once" really mean only one instance, yep, hangin to see core...
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I really like the control of my own money. I can't stand the bank charges me to lend it to people for things that i could never afford. I have a very desirable item that I am going to advertise for sale and to be paid in BTC only.... I advertised it once for a very short while (to gauge interest) and It gets HUGE hits! I've had similar items, they tend to be such hit-tarts I can choose my buyer. I would like to ask community... What can I include in my ad to gain maximum leverage and exposure of bitcoin. I don't want to break TOS or AUP of this site so no links or refs... but i want to be as blatantly subtle as I can be... so far i have this to say in the ad... 1) A Bitcoin emblem in the images of the item...there's the first couple of thousands of words... 2) In the payment details - "Swap for Bitcoin Only" 3) In the item description, something like - "Paying with BTC is easy. Get a offline paper-wallet from bitaddress org, google "bit coin talk" and on the day we'll transact together". Of the item for sale. Of course I am going to reveal to you what it is, but first I would like some responses to this thread, rather than my own blog-style. At any rate, essentially the product is inconsequential and the blurb is generic anyway, but Im keep to list the ad 15 hours from this post. Only five days to go....many thanks for reading and any help .. edit top edit top edit top |
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You can write it down on a piece of paper, but entering a bitcoin address by hand is a pain.
i've been trying to avoid writing it down by hand, my hand is a bit gummy being sligtly carpal.... What are you thoughts keeping stuff on an old smart phone that's been diconnected from it's networks? Not with a apps, just the print-notes and possible a spreadsheet to keep stuff organised....even if it was stolen, the thief is very unlikely to able to use any of the docs on it... thank-you for our post, it has been a help.... |
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If you cannot separate the private key with the public key many thanks for your post HB.... Separating the keys is one of the things that tricked me up. That old lappy and old live disk i used where so old thier pdf formating could not keep up with the bitaddress.org script. As a result, to seperate them I was going to have jigsaw cut my way through them and I kept thinking, "nahhh, this can't be right, i've done something wrong". Iv'e now revisited bitaddress and can see proper formating from the script so im going to have to update that live disk to something a bit more current. Thanks for posting, it has helped.... |
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heya' all, first post and a many thanks to the masters and mods and posts here.
It's five hours later, another "Thanks" to you all, from reading here i've slowly got my head around it... I have some technical questions about buying btc. Some of the goals of these questions are to familiarise myself with btc in its different methods including buying from different sources using different methods.
OK, so I jumped into the deep end of mining, then climbed up the learning curve of wallets and I can see the view a lot better now... From spending a tonne of time through these and other pages my best option atm is to hold. I'm prolly a bit late for mining on my sons old 2GBgpu SLi rig although I may still do that just for the exercise.
yep, that is still on the cards I am using paper-wallets
probably the safest way to go... Question 1.
Am I correct thinking when I buy over the counter in Australia I only need to take in my public wallet address?
Yes, probably, maybe, perhaps... it depends on how you buy OTC. You cannot buy them directly from a bank or WU (almost anymore) but more likely you can depoist funds to an account of an escrew, trader or local person even. Once they confirm the cash transaction they will then send the BTC to the public bitcoin address portion of your wallet you have made previously. To check your btc is going through, you can check online. Trusting the merchant is essential. Sometimes a merchant requires that you have an account with them, be aware of the ones that don't allow you your private keys. When you buy from a merchant that requires an account don't leave the coin in your merchant wallet. Create some paper wallets and use the merchants interface to send them to you paper wallet. Question 2.
My printer has run out of ink, how do i take my PK in now? (I would rather spend money on bc than ink)
Get some ink! orrrr rip the defunct sim and disable all networking on that old smart phone of mine and copy one of the paper wallets over then use that phone to display the QR code when I need to do that. Including when I need to do it online to blockchain.info wallet. Question 3
I have several wallets saved on a usb and i have several public key address from the first usb's wallets saved on a separate usb. I did this with a live disk on a machine that is not used for internet, has no network connections. Do i take the usb text file for otc transactions? I could also save the QR code as an image on the usb but this seems to involved using graphic programs and so forth...
see question 2 Question 4
Even if i had ink and printed the wallet it would print with the private key. How do i go about trusting when handing that over to a teller or atm and keeping the pk key hidden?
using 3rd partys there will always be the element of trust involved. There are some stayers and Im prolly not going to be that active trading them or anything many thanks for any help... i feel im not "getting this" but can see how some ink would be beneficial...
Get my stake, recover, then look at bitcoin core...sure, it's a huge download involved but it seems to be getting into the essential spirit of the whole thing... |
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