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The blockchain is a disaster, there are more ways to lose your money than Las Vegas and that's not even counting trading losses.......
Just look at Cryptopia, they have a support queue of 14,000 complaints and take two weeks to even respond. That's 7,000 people per week who are going to be told they are idiots by support staff and that it's all their fault. Crypto currencies are built to be dangerous and unforgiving, justified by Libertarians who see any problem as individual sovereign risk. If you got it wrong you deserve the consequences. But what do you think will happen when this is unleashed on the masses?
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Satoshi wrote a paper describing a peer to peer currency with no need for trusted intermediaries.
Sounds like you have problems with trusted intermediaries.
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Well it does appear the OP put trust, where TRUST doesn't belong. Recall Folks BITCOIN is a TRUSTLESS Environ - Your Supposed to Trust Nobody, and especially the Con-Artists Wallets, pools, and exchanges fleecing the users.
Here I will help OP.
Never use any exchanges or wallets, only use the core sw as provided for all activity, if you mine, write your own miner.
Some +90% of all BTC loss is wallet, exchange, mining-pool, ... etc, ... all 3rd party criminal activity, the OP is right, BTC because of its libertarian 'non-recourse' opinions is a haven for criminals, and thus u have mt-gox, and nicehash, and 100's of ppl where here they'll tell u it was incompetence, but IMHO as a life-long professional sw developer I see 100% criminal activity.
TRUST in an environment of criminals is like taking your virgin daughter to an orgy and expecting her to remain a virgin, its the wild-west and you should know that before entering, there are many signs; Trust in any website, or wallet-sw, or anything outside of the core-dev team is just asking for having your coins stolen.
As an active miner, I can tell u that 99% of all the mining pools are ran by criminals, the trick in this wild-west zoo is to give a little bait to all and figure out WHO to trust, sounds like U already learned a few ppl who not to trust, so your on your way, but don't go back, once someone rips you off don't be a fool and return, and don't waste your time on the phone or email, with a Bangalore call center who have no power to return your stolen money.
Just give out small amounts and test ppl in this zoo.
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The blockchain is a disaster, there are more ways to lose your money than Las Vegas and that's not even counting trading losses.......
Just look at Cryptopia, they have a support queue of 14,000 complaints and take two weeks to even respond. That's 7,000 people per week who are going to be told they are idiots by support staff and that it's all their fault. Crypto currencies are built to be dangerous and unforgiving, justified by Libertarians who see any problem as individual sovereign risk. If you got it wrong you deserve the consequences. But what do you think will happen when this is unleashed on the masses?
Satoshi wrote a paper describing a peer to peer currency with no need for trusted intermediaries. Sounds like you have problems with trusted intermediaries. Well it does appear the OP put trust, where TRUST doesn't belong. Here I will help OP. Never use any exchanges or wallets, only use the core sw as provided for all activity, if you mine, write your own miner. Some +90% of all BTC loss is wallet, exchange, mining-pool, ... etc, ... all 3rd party criminal activity, the OP is right, BTC because of its libertarian 'non-recourse' opinions is a haven for criminals, and thus u have mt-gox, and nicehash, and 100's of ppl where here they'll tell u it was incompetence, but IMHO as a life-long professional sw developer I see 100% criminal activity. TRUST in an environment of criminals is like taking your virgin daughter to an orgy and expecting her to remain a virgin, its the wild-west and you should know that before entering, there are many signs; Trust in any website, or wallet-sw, or anything outside of the core-dev team is just asking for having your coins stolen. As an active miner, I can tell u that 99% of all the mining pools are ran by criminals, the trick in this wild-west zoo is to give a little bait to all and figure out WHO to trust, sounds like U already learned a few ppl who not to trust, so your on your way, but don't go back, once someone rips you off don't be a fool and return, and don't waste your time on the phone or email, with a Bangalore call center who have no power to return your stolen money. Just give out small amounts and test ppl in this zoo. |
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I was kind of curious the status of looking at patterns of ecdsa priv/pub sig pairs using machine-learning, curious if others here were doing the same, I don't see much in the literature, just curious about what others are finding.
Most of my research is on looking for group-clusters and developing discrete-log algo's, anybody else using ML to do this stuff?
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My question relates to private keys, and also other "seeds" and similar strings that we want to keep private.
To what extent can they be rebuilt from a fragment? Don't worry, I haven't lost [part of] mine, but the question relates to how I can store them. For example, if someone had half of a key would they be able to derive the other half at a better-than-brute-force rate? Or is every character independent of every other, I guess I am asking.
And does this differ between coins, are there any notable difference?
Well are you talking key like a BIT-INTEGER, or a seed 'in hex' or 'english'?? It really depends what you mean?? First step, take a step back and think about how this stuff works. Seed is just that it feeds the box that generates a 'key', a key is just a BIG-NUMBER, it might have 70 base-10 digits, lets take a big number, 502800 which might be the current block number of bitcoin, the 502 will call the big-endian, the 800 the little endian, if your key is 502800, and you give me the first 502xxx then I only got to run from 1 to 800 through my 'crack box' that tests every address known for every private-key in that range to match one of your addresses, super easy. If you give me 800, it might take a super long time to 'guess' your address. Now lets get real, your private key is normally seen as HEX or WIF, but in real when the work is done its a base ten number 1328921839L ... WRT to your 'word' seed, a seed can be 12 random words that are hashed 2,000 times and a 64 char-random hex number is generated, the hashing isn't of any order so it doesn't help to know any part of your hash, on the other hand you give me the seed 'dog cat fish xxxx' where xxxx is what your forgot then I can run a dictionary on that and hash all possible combo's until I generate a priv-key that hits your addresses. ... Most of what ppl see in BTC is hex 'hashed' data, but when you talk key or seed then normally your talking the real deal, most dev's on BTC to prefer to hide this stuff from the user on theory he's too stupid to be trusted with his own data, Your question about 1/2 say your seed is 'dog cat fish horse mule monkey fudge poop' [ who care 6,8,12,18, or 24 words ] even if I have just 1 or 2 of these words, and I know your ALGO ( I know which wallet you used, then I can crack your private-key super quick ) |
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If you have a public address and you reuse this address to send BTC from multiple times, my understanding is that your public address is more susceptible to being hacked (ie. easier for somebody to generate the private key from your public address). From what I have read, if you send BTC from your public address and you keep any leftover coins in that public address, your public address is only protected by ECDSA. I have also read that the more you reuse the same address to send BTC, the more your address is susceptible to being hacked.
So let's say I am using a public address. I send a portion of my BTC from my public address to somebody else but the leftover BTC remains in my public address (doesn't Electrum keep your leftover BTC in the same address by default?). I use this same public address to send BTC from over the next several weeks. In total, I have sent from this address 4 or 5 times over several weeks. Several weeks later, after I am done sending my BTC, I backup my wallet and my private key, uninstall Electrum and decide to let my leftover BTC sit there in my public address.
With today's technology, how long would it take to hack this public address? Is this something I don't have to worry about for the next 10 years? The next 5 years? The next 1 year?
Let me run this question as an answer. Say you gen a private key and public address pair, then you keep generating addresses for a long time with that public-key. What happens is that each address is just a I*PubKey ( where I is the i'th address you generated from that mother public-key ) that is hashed, so the more you use that same pubkey to generate addresses you increase probability that I will hit your address with my pub-key guess box, everytime you use the same public-key to gen an address its a dart on the wall, an the more darts on the wall the higher probability that I will hit that dart. It's easy to guess private-keys, and its easy to make a public-key from them, and then its super easy to generate 10k addresses from that public-key and test them all in a second, ... Its not easy to take a public-key and make a private-address, but the more addresses you generate the easier it is for me to guess your private key. For me I have all the addresses known on BTC on my wall, thus I'm not likely in all history of universe to hit your address, unless you have lots of them for me to 'sticky' on my wall. |
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Switching to a new address after every transaction is not feasible because of the high transaction fees. Not to mention the transaction time.
I don't understand what you are saying here. Why would using a new address for the change from your transaction have any effect at all on the transaction fees or the transaction time? To reduce fees, you may want to consider moving your bitcoins to a SegWit address. The problem here is majority are using these 3rd party wallet packages on the internet that place the fee's, I use the Bitcoin-CLI (cmd line) to do my transaction, I set my feed schedule to zero, and I rarely see fee's, thus I know it can be done, IMHO its just the day-traders that are generating 1,000's of 0.0001 BTC trades a day complaining about 0.002 BTC fee's, the problem is people just don't take the time to learn the software, its all there testnet, to learn, and minimal fees that are selectable by the user, but people choose to use these fancy GUI platforms that set the fee's and most likely give the user a hair-cut to boot. Conversation here is about 'loss' in BTC, most loss occurs at the exchange or wallet, from malicious or sloppy software, and the fee's is just another example, they just don't care, but if you did care you would learn to set the fee schedule yourself. If you keep our private-keys off the exchanges or away from wallet-software, if you keep your keeps on a closed system, running your own node, I don't see how you could lose money, unless you did it on purpose, the bitcoind&bitcoin-cli software seem pretty solid, but I gather from the comments on these forums that 99% of the users are just putting their private-keys into the hands of third party's. |
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If you have a public address and you reuse this address to send BTC from multiple times, my understanding is that your public address is more susceptible to being hacked (ie. easier for somebody to generate the private key from your public address). From what I have read, if you send BTC from your public address and you keep any leftover coins in that public address, your public address is only protected by ECDSA. I have also read that the more you reuse the same address to send BTC, the more your address is susceptible to being hacked.
So let's say I am using a public address. I send a portion of my BTC from my public address to somebody else but the leftover BTC remains in my public address (doesn't Electrum keep your leftover BTC in the same address by default?). I use this same public address to send BTC from over the next several weeks. In total, I have sent from this address 4 or 5 times over several weeks. Several weeks later, after I am done sending my BTC, I backup my wallet and my private key, uninstall Electrum and decide to let my leftover BTC sit there in my public address.
With today's technology, how long would it take to hack this public address? Is this something I don't have to worry about for the next 10 years? The next 5 years? The next 1 year?
It's unknown. The advice against address-reuse is based on the general risk of future breaks against ECDSA, which cannot be ruled out. It's certainly not susceptible to brute-forcing, since that is on the order of 2 255, which is effectively infinite (more than the number of particles in the universe, etc. etc.) But if some clever mathematician figures out a cryptographic break against ECDSA that weakens ECDSA keys, it would be necessary to sweep funds from wallets secured only by ECDSA to something else. P2PKH/P2WPKH resolves this issue by publishing only the key-fingerprint instead of the entire pubkey. Even if there is a break against ECDSA, there is no short-term risk of your coins being stolen. Coins in long-term cold storage (timelocked), for example, need this feature. That's not really true, its easy to harvest all used addresses in history, easy-peasy Then you create bloom filter and mark all seen addresses, and then decide how you want to attack btc, either by was of generating deterimistic keys, or brute-intelligent force forward by big-step/baby-step, ... When you have all the addresses its just like having the public keys, for all the private-key guesses no matter your ALGO, you simple generate a pubkey and then generate say 8192 addresses for every pubkey and check the bloom-table if one of those addresses are hot U can also hash all the X values from ecdsa into a hash-table and use that to correspond to known addresses, Then you can watch R values on the block chain, and look for patterns to make a guess to the private-key It really blows me away how the majority here always say "that can't be done", oh but they have a caveat that a real smart math guy will solve the discrete-log problem tomorrow and sweep all the coin, thus they know it can be done People who have studied SECP256k1(ECDSA) long enough see the patterns, But getting back to your question, the public-key isn't required, its easy use a DISCRETE-LOG algo to run through private-keys generated and then super easy to test the priv-key with a function that uses a bloom-table on all known addresses with balance, right now there are +3 million of the puppys IMHO the founders are scared to death, but the majority are just bots who repeat the mantra u know "BITCOIN is Safe", nothing is safe in life, not walking across the street. I can say this targeting a PRISTINE address is not easy, but I think that throwing lots of shit on the wall using intelligent ideas from the discrete-log papers, and then testing your X's that come back with public-key hash tests which are super easy, is all doable WRT to that mathematician who solves the discrete-log problem, IMHO most mathematicians are too pure to stoop to the low level of 'hacking' to resolve this problem, so it probably will not be solved by your math guy, it will be solved by a teenager in Burma, using a low tech chrome-book running crouton Nothing is SAFE, never its always been this way, But the above said, BTC is amazing in its general safety, I think the majority will always be safe, Lastly, studying this stuff, actually improves your knowledge and ability to protect your own coins, IMHO the NSA created BITCOIN, They're just watching and waiting to see who & how breaks this stuff first, like DES, or SHA, or anything that comes out of NSA, they always have a backdoor, never seen otherwise, thus in a way BTC is real nice way to have everybody on earth hitting their code and then they can keep one step ahead of the best hackers on earth, ... |
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But be aware that any patch that is vulnerable to denial-of-service attacks will be rejected, and I can't think of a way to automatically adjust the block size that wouldn't be vulnerable to some big, anti-social miner (think "jerk with a botnet") deciding it would be fun to artificially drive up transaction volume, drive up the block size, and create a few gigabytes of worthless blocks we all get to download forevermore.
I almost would welcome the jerk - the jerk would help us make the network strong while the window of opportunity is as open as it's ever going to be. The jerk would be doing us a favor. He should be charging for the favor. It's a "stress test". Everyone knows the current version is non-scalable and will HAVE to be fixed. So why not fix it sooner than later? Just like the jerk who exploited an overflow bug in 0.3.9. We're now stronger because of it. It was far easier to get a few early adopters to upgrade, than a mass of five million users. There is a huge amount of non-consensus as to what will happen when the going gets tough. It would be far better for the longevity of the system to have it happen experimentally than have it turn off a whole influx of users. A jerk who spams our block chain may very well give us the motivation to start working on scalability promoters like making blocks prunable, or allowing people to run "full nodes" versus "minimal nodes" etc. No matter how much spam one jerk can produce, real transaction volume is eventually going to eclipse it... that is, if the system will scale to support it. there are 10k jerks a minute pounding btc right now and you know it, the fact that there are so few failures and complaints of lost coin is amazing, u already have the 'bch' fork which never met a mod it didn't like, and then core is conservative, but everybody is hell-bent on breaking core, what happened to if it ain't broken, don't fix it? problem is u all try to make all things to all people, btc will never scale to be a day-trading platform for every 2bit jackass on earth to buy/sell 0.0001 btc orders every millisecond, it would be far better to just let the trading exchanges churn that shit and take a cut on the thrash, as the house always wins, also this notion that every toilet in India/China/Africa should charge BTC for the 1cent shit and that be a transaction, again they already have that in those country's and its called the cell-phone credit ( a form of crypt cash ) BITCOIN is a bank for rich techies, live with it, and then for those not to lazy to have made the +2,000 BTC forks from the original code, then there too you can create your 'master-piece', the problem is that u want stuff to scale and run like ORACLE, then the problem is you need a Larry Ellison to run Oracle, and now it ain't BITCOIN anymore, its NSA-Oracle; NSA uses Oracle for their database Ellision wouldn't be a billionaire if not for his CIA-NSA biz, and same reason here big demand to scale up bitcoin so it be the NWO currency, but then again, it wouldn't be BITCOIN anymore if it were run by GOV & VISA assholes Then in time of course GAVIN and all the 'founders' decide its time that they become the next BILL-GATES of BITCOIN, so then its no longer everybody is a equal node, its a few guys are TRILLOINAIRES and everybody else is a muppet |
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But be aware that any patch that is vulnerable to denial-of-service attacks will be rejected, and I can't think of a way to automatically adjust the block size that wouldn't be vulnerable to some big, anti-social miner (think "jerk with a botnet") deciding it would be fun to artificially drive up transaction volume, drive up the block size, and create a few gigabytes of worthless blocks we all get to download forevermore.
I almost would welcome the jerk - the jerk would help us make the network strong while the window of opportunity is as open as it's ever going to be. The jerk would be doing us a favor. He should be charging for the favor. It's a "stress test". Everyone knows the current version is non-scalable and will HAVE to be fixed. So why not fix it sooner than later? Just like the jerk who exploited an overflow bug in 0.3.9. We're now stronger because of it. It was far easier to get a few early adopters to upgrade, than a mass of five million users. There is a huge amount of non-consensus as to what will happen when the going gets tough. It would be far better for the longevity of the system to have it happen experimentally than have it turn off a whole influx of users. A jerk who spams our block chain may very well give us the motivation to start working on scalability promoters like making blocks prunable, or allowing people to run "full nodes" versus "minimal nodes" etc. No matter how much spam one jerk can produce, real transaction volume is eventually going to eclipse it... that is, if the system will scale to support it. there are 10k jerks a minute pounding btc right now and you know it, the fact that there are so few failrures and complaints of lost coin is amazing, u already have the 'bch' fork which never met a mod it didn't like, and then core is conservative, but everybody is hell-bent on breaking core, what happened to if it ain't broken, don't fix it? problem is u all try to make all things to all people, btc will never scale to be a day-trading platform for ever 2bit jackass on earth to buy/sell 0.0001 btc orders every millisecond, it would be far better to just let the trading exchanges churn that shit and take a cut on the thrash, as the house always wins, also this notion that every toilet in India/China/Africa should charge BTC for the 1cent shit and that be a transaction, again they already have that in those country's and its called the cell-phone credit ( a form of crypt cash ) BITCOIN is a bank for rich techies, live with it, and then for those not to lazy to have made the +2,000 BTC forks from the orginal code, then there too you can create your 'master-piece', the problem is that u want stuff to scale and run like ORACLE, then the problem is you need a Larry Ellision to run Oracle, and now it ain't BITCOIN anymore, its NSA; NSA uses Oracle for their database Ellision wouldn't be a billionaire if not for his CIA-NSA biz, and same reason here big demand to scale up bitcoin so it be the NWO currency, but then again, it wouldn't be BITCOIN anymore if it were run by GOV & VISA asshols Then in time of course GAVIN and all the 'founders' decide its time that they become the next BILL-GATES of BITCOIN, so then its no longer everybody is a equal node, its a few guys aer TRILLOINAIRES and everybody else is a muppet |
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so it always goes back to the your either a ZOG conspirator, or your a anti-zog 'mooooooooslim', just two binary choices, even with btc,
next question up, is bitcoin left or right? liberal or conservative??
many here will say never mind with 'poltics', we're getting rich, ...
mao said all 'political power comes from a gun', the power of the US dollar is by death, be knowst to all who venture in bitcoin, if it be true that BITCOIN is/was a danger to the us-dollar then all bitcoiners would be de-factor traitors and hung or murdered by the gov
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on the one hand BITCOIN is a hack, and has been broken since birth
on the other hand, its working exactly as planned,
bitcoin is a crypto-bank, its not a lottery, or a place to get rich quick,
so all these pathetic day traders are getting taxed to shit for their transactions and they're bitching,
who cares, they're making big money getting rich they say, so what if they pay 10% to back to the miners for fees? so what?
if the transaction level backs off and the day-traders find another way to churn bitcoin buy/sell transactions then that will off-load the tx's now, and the price will drop
the pathetic day traders brought this situation upon to themselves
they want it all, they want to make 100% a day, with no fee's, ... go back to the bank boys, or clone your own coin
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Wait, say it ain't so, BITCOIN came from a jap guy living in LA, ... who was a ron paul Liberatarian, that wanted the poor to have free banking right?
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"IF IT'S NOT BROKEN, WHY FIX IT??"
Telling isn't it???
Shifting 'burden' to centralized servers, means that there will no longer be equal nodes, that some 'full nodes' will be more equal than others, ... hmmm
Old times will know, but then I guess its fine if they keep tinkering with BCH and turn it into a centralized block-chain ran by exchanges and casinos ( aka day trader BTC flop houses ), ...
Good thing that BITCOIN-CORE will remain classic?
As soon as you have centralized servers of high density data, then things will no longer be 'open' but they're hardly open,
The deal is "GAVIN" is rich now, and rich peoples biggest problem ain't getting MORE, its keeping what they got and controlling it,
Instead of thinking like Satoshi, it appears that GAVIN is thinking more like Buterin, or a Federal Reserve Banker
Anyway so long as this trend towards centralization is kept in BCH ( bitcoin cash aka china asic king-pins ) I guess its fine, ... right?
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Animal Farm said "Some blocks are MOAR EQUAL than others, Gavin suggests 4 legs good, 2 legs bad"
“node operators hand-pick one or more semi-trusted nodes to get fast boot-strapping.”
So some NODES MOAR trusted than others, what happened to +50% consensus? Sounds like a rat-pack collective is going to be deciding who is to be trusted??? Wait, wasn't the ENTIRE AGENDA of BTC to be a TRUST-LESS ENVIRON??
What the HELL is going on, oh that's RIGHT "WHEN YOU BECOME RICH, EVERYTHING CHANGES, INCLUDING YOUR MIND"
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bitcoin can't even service a few 1,000 day traders, how in the hell is it going to service all the pay2shit toilets on earth?
get a life ppl, btc is a toy for rich techies
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Wow, so this means only western hairlips are using BTC to get rich quick?
I wonder how long this will last?
Me thinks as long as QE keeps feeding the ponzi, courtesy of Israel/Federal-Reserve Bank 1913,
Russian & Chinese must be catching the drift, I think in days there will be an official pushback on BTC aka nsa-coin
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Islam still has codes against usury. Codes disallowing usury have been removed from Christendom. Christians are thus guilty of being dupes to the forces of mammon. See Hoffman, usury in Christendom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiJJSt1nI-YCentral banks in western world, for most part, are "stock owned," meaning they are corporations who fabricate money at interest. Their profit motive is to make money from money, a form of usury. Usury is sordid gain, the taking of something for nothing. Harm to individuals groups and institutions is the "free lunch" or takings, thefts in the form of higher prices. Money's true nature is law, and proper money fluxes in relation to goods and services. The west does not have proper money. Islam, as much as it sucks, at least tries to deal with the money problem. Mohammed was a merchant in Mecca, and while he was alive, Mecca was an entrepot city on middle east caravan trade routes. Who controlled the trade routes? Our usual ((suspects)), were taking usury on the exchange rates between gold and silver. Our friends used their sneaky in-group methods to hose down the people of Mecca. Medina was even more of Jewish controlled city. Islam codes against usury because of Mohammed's bad experience with Jews. Jews in turn have a religion that promotes usury as a method of war against "others." Is BITCOIN "Kosher"? Did the NSA ( owned by Israel/Mormon Utah ) create BITCOIN in its own image to destroy Asian economy's? Does a bear shit in the woods, is the Pope Satan? |
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-03/egypts-grand-mufti-supports-bitcoin-trading-banWell it was bound to happen, the cards are now falling, the Russian's and Chinese may have fallen into the 'NSA' NWO order trap, but now its official, the Islamic word has announced that "BITCOIN" is KOSHER. Make no mistake that Nakamota-SAtoshi is NSA, that SHA-256 is NSA, that ESCDSA 266pk1 was carefully chosen because of its weak property's, BITCOIN is now the largest PONZI 'Tulip Mania' in Human History, and ISLAM is telling its people not to follow the ZIONIST 'Synthetic Money' off the cliff.
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In fact, I do not think China is particularly welcome with altcoin and bitcoin as this will seriously disrupt the Bank's policy enforcement and monitoring of tax and money laundering activities.
Why the lies & disinformation?? All CHINA did in August was close down the ICO-TOKEN exchanges that were robbing old ppl, there has been no clamp on BTC or the legitimate alt's I think china is taking a wait&see approach to BTC, China has ZERO-TOLERANCE for exchanges that steal from the elderly by selling them ico-shit-tokens that have zero value. Only in USA, and other zionist banking country's do you have it being legal to sell penny-stocks to old people and make them into paupers |
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Well the richest guys in CHINA Jack ma, and liao are famous billionaires, and BIG bitcoin sponsors, and nobody is cracking down on them,
The BITCOIN ANT farms are all on free GOV hydro, and nobody is making them pay,
Thus High levels of CHINA GOV, having given the nsa-cia BTC the nod for now,... in general in CHINA, so long as somebody is getting rich, all is good, problem is when NSA pulls the plug, and brings down huge parts of an economy,
Thus probably explains why most GOV worldwide make it so hard to get in&out of BTC, if its just traded on the block-chain, then a collapse does little harm to an economy, probably same reason austrailia banks are closing the door to BTC
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When I see CHINA putting miner's who steal the 'peoples hydro' in JAIL, then & only then will I consider CHINA to have pulled the plug on BTC
For now CHINA enjoys knowing that they're mining +90% of the world BTC, did anyone at the NSA think this was the outcome? I really think they assume a equal distribution of mining activity, not a certain chinese monopoly
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ZERO
Keep it safe, keep it off wallets and exchanges,
If you don't hold the private-key, then it ain't your money
They're already locking bank accounts 'tinged' by bTC, how long before the lock exchange accounts?
They're already locking coinbase customer in accounts in various USA states,
They're coming, and if you leave nickel, they'll consider it a donation,
Just like cops that steal your cash, its no problem for GOV to steal your crypto, who you going to call? Your congrassman?
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