Is this an actual phone that is for sale now or the intention to sell such a phone in the future? Ummm, did you read the article?!? "KRIP phones are now available across Latin America, retailing at under $100. Additionally, KRIP and Dash Core Group will be holding a monthly sweepstakes for the where KRIP users will be eligible to win Dash each month."  Now available where? They could be available for pre-order. Did I miss a link? |
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Is this an actual phone that is for sale now or the intention to sell such a phone in the future? |
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a bit of a buzz killer that billy.. oh well.
Yeah, I don't get invited to many parties because I have a habit of peeing in the pool. Don't mind me. Keep doing what you do. |
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Does it seem weird to anybody but me that the permabulls see any pump as complete vindication of all they are doing and supporting but dumps have nothing to do with any problems critics bring up?
This pump is nothing more so far than an opportunity for me to reduce exposure a little and take some profits. Time will tell if it means more, but by all means, keep buying. Daddy's got bills to pay.
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I just want to thank all the trolls out there (you all know who you are) for the continuid bumping of our
Dash ANN thread. It is mostly thanks to you guys that our Dash ANN thread has fortified its position
as most viewed and replied ANN thread of all the Altcoins.
Let the lack of replies not demotivate you guys from continuing to bump our thread, it is important
work you are all doing. I see even our little mermaid ariel decided today to help out with the bumping,
much appreciated my old friend.
I would appreciate a little more bumping from drklvr_ and from icey though, this is no time for them to take a break.
Please help them get motivated to bump our thread again, we need them !! So what if their posts get ignored or get
ridiculed ? Lets drag get them back in...
It's not just trolls and haterz. Nobody using the official forums can discuss unpleasant subjects without the risk of censorship. So thank the repressive moderators there that this thread gets so much use. |
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https://gospelmasquerade.wordpress.com/2009/09/26/the-cult-code-language/This seemed to me to be a really interesting article because I have noticed certain words and phrases being repeated by A group of uncritical glaze-eyed Dash zealots, who see any criticism of Dash as an attack on the PERFECT COIN. It's super creepy. Words such as "narratives" and "speculation as fact". For fun see if you can find more and post them as a reply.
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You indicated you wanted a constructive dialogue. I'm listening. If you are trying to say that Dash is a great technology worth investing in, then obviously I agree or I wouldn't be an MNO. In order to facilitate change, it seems to me we need to convince other stakeholders that change is needed. What metrics would you use? I will piss on a spark plug if it works.
I fundamentally believe that there is always many ways we could and should improve things. First...there needs to be a place where this discussion can happen in a open, honest and respectful way. Most of these types of discussions begin with good intentions but digress into bickering and in fighting. Thus probably why autocracies end up happening. Once a place that is created to have this discussion ...we can start lying down the frame work for organizing what is trying to be accomplished. And yes...there will always need to be moderation of said place. Unfortunately...nothing in human evolution shows me any confidence in our ability as a species to always work towards a common goal. If you're hoping for a level playing field, I'm afraid you might be disappointed. Our opponents don't appear to be the sort of people who like to play fair. I think we just need to accept that this is a rigged game and play to win anyway. The future of Dash is at stake. Fortunately I think the laws of economics are on our side, which means so is time. That which is unsustainable WILL NOT be sustained, and as the number of projects that fail due to underfunding pile up, so will evidence that we are right. OR Dash price can pump and give me an exit point. I can live with either eventuality. |
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I think your view on moderators and how they effect coinmarketcap is pretty irrational,
to the point of coming across as a bit insane.
Attacking highly respected community members like Tao who has been with Dash from the start, unlike you who has joined Dash just recentely (last year), is also not helping your reputation on this forum.
Stop blaming the fall of the Dash price on just one person, stop overly focussing on coinmarketcap ranks and maybe just maybe you can regain some of the respect you lost with your earlier posts.
I don't blame this on one person, but it seems evident to me that there is an inner group of MNOs who control enough votes to swing most proposals one way or another, and they use TaoOfSatoshi and the other paid moderators as well as Joel Valenzuela to do their bidding. You can always guess what's going on by what these types of people accuse you of doing. it's projection. They want to control the narrative. That's fine, I guess, but they are using our funds to do it. Discord, Dash Force, these are treasury feeders. Then they use the influence of the media they control to push risky, wasteful proposals which cost Dash money. If the investment community thought these projects were likely to generate positive returns, I suspect Dash would be trading higher and/or have a higher market rank. This is affecting the trading value of Dash and the net worth of all hodlers. Tao isn't highly respected by everybody in the community, obviously. I wouldn't care about him at all, but he's getting in the way of some badly needed reforms. "I think you have set Dash back years and are responsible personally for the loss of millions in market cap. If Dash succeeds, it will be in spite of, not because in any way of your participation. You are a blight on Dash, the cryptosphere, and humanity. You will go down in the record books as the most effeminate, dim-witted forum thug in the history of ever." Link : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg44639972#msg44639972These are your words about Tao .. you are only now expanding it from blaming just Tao to blaming "Tao and his henchmen". It really is a disturbing post to read. And yes, Tao really is that respected. It is rather obvious you dont know anything about him, since you are this new to the community. And it's rather obvious to me that he is a polarizing figure, judging by the many public and private accolades I have received for dressing him down. Look, This is exactly what certain obstructionists are wanting: they want me and other reformers to get bogged down in arguments over personality, tactics, special interest groups, etc. I don't care about Tao and the other thugs except that they are preventing us from meaningfully addressing real problems. If you think I am dealing with this obstruction unconstructively, that is your right. You have made your opinion known. Thank you for that. How are we going to get enough people to buy dash or more dash so that we can function and grow? What are we going to do about the loss of market cap and market rank? Nothing? Wait out the bear market? What if that is not enough? As of this writing, we have dropped to #15 in CMC market rank, behind Etherium Classic, Tron, Monero, and Tezos. I believe this is PRIMARILY due to having an unsustainable funding model. Censorship is only relevant to the degree it is preventing us from fixing it. Half of what you mention here I agree with...the rest, not so much. Market cap is a complete RUBBISH marker of any kind. PERIOD. Several of the assets in this supposed matrix of success are out right scam ICO coins. Why are we even talking about CMC?!? Its absurd to use a "ranking" when the majority of the coins on this list are plain out right shit...and even some of the top coins that do have something are so manipulated that its beyond the pale. Frankly...if someone is using the CMC ranking as some kind of matrix to value their assest...they should just as well give me their money and I'll blow it for them. I know of a least several coins that aren't even in the top 50 that have almost as much development if not more then the current list of the top 10 on CMC. You indicated you wanted a constructive dialogue. I'm listening. If you are trying to say that Dash is a great technology worth investing in, then obviously I agree or I wouldn't be an MNO. In order to facilitate change, it seems to me we need to convince other stakeholders that change is needed. What metrics would you use? I will piss on a spark plug if it works. |
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I think your view on moderators and how they effect coinmarketcap is pretty irrational,
to the point of coming across as a bit insane.
Attacking highly respected community members like Tao who has been with Dash from the start, unlike you who has joined Dash just recentely (last year), is also not helping your reputation on this forum.
Stop blaming the fall of the Dash price on just one person, stop overly focussing on coinmarketcap ranks and maybe just maybe you can regain some of the respect you lost with your earlier posts.
I don't blame this on one person, but it seems evident to me that there is an inner group of MNOs who control enough votes to swing most proposals one way or another, and they use TaoOfSatoshi and the other paid moderators as well as Joel Valenzuela to do their bidding. You can always guess what's going on by what these types of people accuse you of doing. it's projection. They want to control the narrative. That's fine, I guess, but they are using our funds to do it. Discord, Dash Force, these are treasury feeders. Then they use the influence of the media they control to push risky, wasteful proposals which cost Dash money. If the investment community thought these projects were likely to generate positive returns, I suspect Dash would be trading higher and/or have a higher market rank. This is affecting the trading value of Dash and the net worth of all hodlers. Tao isn't highly respected by everybody in the community, obviously. I wouldn't care about him at all, but he's getting in the way of some badly needed reforms. "I think you have set Dash back years and are responsible personally for the loss of millions in market cap. If Dash succeeds, it will be in spite of, not because in any way of your participation. You are a blight on Dash, the cryptosphere, and humanity. You will go down in the record books as the most effeminate, dim-witted forum thug in the history of ever." Link : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg44639972#msg44639972These are your words about Tao .. you are only now expanding it from blaming just Tao to blaming "Tao and his henchmen". It really is a disturbing post to read. And yes, Tao really is that respected. It is rather obvious you dont know anything about him, since you are this new to the community. And it's rather obvious to me that he is a polarizing figure, judging by the many public and private accolades I have received for dressing him down. Look, This is exactly what certain obstructionists are wanting: they want me and other reformers to get bogged down in arguments over personality, tactics, special interest groups, etc. I don't care about Tao and the other thugs except that they are preventing us from meaningfully addressing real problems. If you think I am dealing with this obstruction unconstructively, that is your right. You have made your opinion known. Thank you for that. How are we going to get enough people to buy dash or more dash so that we can function and grow? What are we going to do about the loss of market cap and market rank? Nothing? Wait out the bear market? What if that is not enough? As of this writing, we have dropped to #15 in CMC market rank, behind Etherium Classic, Tron, Monero, and Tezos. I believe this is PRIMARILY due to having an unsustainable funding model. Censorship is only relevant to the degree it is preventing us from fixing it. |
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I think your view on moderators and how they effect coinmarketcap is pretty irrational,
to the point of coming across as a bit insane.
Attacking highly respected community members like Tao who has been with Dash from the start, unlike you who has joined Dash just recentely (last year), is also not helping your reputation on this forum.
Stop blaming the fall of the Dash price on just one person, stop overly focussing on coinmarketcap ranks and maybe just maybe you can regain some of the respect you lost with your earlier posts.
I don't blame this on one person, but it seems evident to me that there is an inner group of MNOs who control enough votes to swing most proposals one way or another, and they use TaoOfSatoshi and the other paid moderators as well as Joel Valenzuela to do their bidding. You can always guess what's going on by what these types of people accuse you of doing. it's projection. They want to control the narrative. That's fine, I guess, but they are using our funds to do it. Discord, Dash Force, these are treasury feeders. Then they use the influence of the media they control to push risky, wasteful proposals which cost Dash money. If the investment community thought these projects were likely to generate positive returns, I suspect Dash would be trading higher and/or have a higher market rank. This is affecting the trading value of Dash and the net worth of all hodlers. Tao isn't highly respected by everybody in the community, obviously. I wouldn't care about him at all, but he's getting in the way of some badly needed reforms. |
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Here is my vision for Dash: We use treasury funds to build a healthy growing community of developer/entrepreneurs who risk their own capital or get their own financing in an attempt to profitably provide value to the network. If the value provided by that group exceeds the cost to build it, Dash will be virtually unstoppable. a 101% ROI will compound, leading to an exponential increase in value.
I think such a community will almost naturally grow if we just eliminate Pay and Pray. We can still fund development. We can still fund marketing, just without the on board risk. Entrepreneurs look for win-win. Most ultimately fail, but most don't need to succeed. Consumers benefit from failing businesses all the time, and new entrepreneurs pop up to replace them. Consumers don't care too much if the store they shop at is losing money. They may care if the store closes, but they can enjoy shopping there until it does. Then they shop somewhere else. Some entrepreneurs succeed and get extremely wealthy, and they still provide win-win solutions for consumers. ~6800 Dash are spent by the treasury every month. If we were using it to build a community of entrepreneurs rather than funding pie-in-the-sky projects with no guarantee of ROI at all, I believe investors would pour in money, just like they did with Etherium.
Masternode owners are customers. They are the consumers of the things provided by the treasury, along with other stakeholders. There is no reason we need to finance the projects we are doing business with. We can pay them at the time they provide the benefits, or after. That is a common, normal way of doing business. It happens all the time almost everywhere. In my opinion, the Masternode network need to stop playing banker. We are obviously not very good at it, judging by the Schrems, the Swanns, the bitcarts, the numerous other projects that failed or disappointed.
We need to end Pay and Pray. We should be building a community of developer/entrepreneurs, not a mob of promise-breaking hucksters and dreamers wishing to get Dash to finance their unsustainable, money-sucking adventures.
This sir I can agree with. I'm not a big fan of the Pay and Pray as well. We have literally had millions of treasury dollars wasted by scammers and low value projects. I'd be willing to discuss and alternate system in the near future. It would be worth while creating a constructive dialogue on this subject...so count me in on helping out. Thank you! I would like that very much. I have a formal proposal up on Dash Central: Commitment to Improve Funding Model. All MasteNode Owners are encouraged to comment and vote. https://www.dashcentral.org/p/Commitment-to-Improve-Funding-Model |
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 This is a little out of Date, but Dash is still #14 on CMC. Despite the fact that some coins have fallen, Dash has yet to rise. I think this is largely due to censorship by TaoOfSatoshi and his gang of henchmen, and their efforts to suppress dissent and reform. |
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Here is my vision for Dash: We use treasury funds to build a healthy growing community of developer/entrepreneurs who risk their own capital or get their own financing in an attempt to profitably provide value to the network. If the value provided by that group exceeds the cost to build it, Dash will be virtually unstoppable. a 101% ROI will compound, leading to an exponential increase in value.
I think such a community will almost naturally grow if we just eliminate Pay and Pray. We can still fund development. We can still fund marketing, just without the on board risk. Entrepreneurs look for win-win. Most ultimately fail, but most don't need to succeed. Consumers benefit from failing businesses all the time, and new entrepreneurs pop up to replace them. Consumers don't care too much if the store they shop at is losing money. They may care if the store closes, but they can enjoy shopping there until it does. Then they shop somewhere else. Some entrepreneurs succeed and get extremely wealthy, and they still provide win-win solutions for consumers. ~6800 Dash are spent by the treasury every month. If we were using it to build a community of entrepreneurs rather than funding pie-in-the-sky projects with no guarantee of ROI at all, I believe investors would pour in money, just like they did with Etherium.
Masternode owners are customers. They are the consumers of the things provided by the treasury, along with other stakeholders. There is no reason we need to finance the projects we are doing business with. We can pay them at the time they provide the benefits, or after. That is a common, normal way of doing business. It happens all the time almost everywhere. In my opinion, the Masternode network need to stop playing banker. We are obviously not very good at it, judging by the Schrems, the Swanns, the bitcarts, the numerous other projects that failed or disappointed.
We need to end Pay and Pray. We should be building a community of developer/entrepreneurs, not a mob of promise-breaking hucksters and dreamers wishing to get Dash to finance their unsustainable, money-sucking adventures.
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If you have such difficulty to differentiate speculation from facts for yourself or with how Dash moderators view speculation, then i suggest you stop posting in the Dash forum and instead post more in the bitcointalk dash forum. Although even this forum has forum rules in place that you should be aware of.
I'm legendary too, Quizzie. I don't need you to tell me this forum has rules, thanks. |
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Yes, the combination of the rise in mainstream coverage and the incessant attempts by our detractors to control the narrative leads me to believe that good things are about to happen with Dash. The dichotomy of the way Dash is portrayed in certain circles and how it actually is is striking.
The biggest problem with Dash is not Ryan Taylor or haterz, trolls, or FAKE NEWS. It's You. You are in my opinion the worst type of moderator, worse than not having one at all. I try to tell you your rules interpretations are subjective and I need time to figure out how you think so I can comply as best as possible. Your response? "Do or do not. There is no try." The arrogance would be more tolerable if you were even half way smart, but you are shockingly stupid. At least Arthryon comes by his condescending pompousness with a modicum of honesty. Your ham-fisted attempts to chearlead the march into Dash irrelevance despite mounting evidence of serious problems is counterproductive to use the kindest term I can think of. Your inability to discern legitimate worry from concern-trolling and your moronic miscategorizing of legitimate critics as haterz has been in my opinion more destructive than it's possible to measure. I think you have set Dash back years and are responsible personally for the loss of millions in market cap. If Dash succeeds, it will be in spite of, not because in any way of your participation. You are a blight on Dash, the cryptosphere, and humanity. You will go down in the record books as the most effeminate, dim-witted forum thug in the history of ever. What a dumb post, just abide by the Dash forum rules by not stating speculation as fact and you would not have been temp banned in the first place ! The biggest problem are people who think they can post whatever they like on forums that have forum rules in place. They get overly emotional when they learn about those forum rules the hard way and lash out in here and in budget proposal discussions, in a misguided sense that they have been wronged somehow. All it really shows is a very immature and childish side of them and an unwillingness to play by the rules. Here's the problem with even having "NO presenting speculation as fact": It's almost all speculation. Philosophers going back to Socrates have repeatedly maintained that it's nearly impossible to know anything with absolute certainty. So if it's nearly all speculation, it gives moderators enormous leeway to say anything is speculation. Because it is. When everything is criminal, selective enforcement of rules gives us Rule of Man, not Rule of Law. That wouldn't even be so bad if the man in question wasn't such a rock-headed buffoon, but he is. |
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Yes, the combination of the rise in mainstream coverage and the incessant attempts by our detractors to control the narrative leads me to believe that good things are about to happen with Dash. The dichotomy of the way Dash is portrayed in certain circles and how it actually is is striking.
The biggest problem with Dash is not Ryan Taylor or haterz, trolls, or FAKE NEWS. It's You. You are in my opinion the worst type of moderator, worse than not having one at all. I try to tell you your rules interpretations are subjective and I need time to figure out how you think so I can comply as best as possible. Your response? "Do or do not. There is no try." The arrogance would be more tolerable if you were even half way smart, but you are shockingly stupid. At least Arthryon comes by his condescending pompousness with a modicum of honesty. Your ham-fisted attempts to chearlead the march into Dash irrelevance despite mounting evidence of serious problems is counterproductive to use the kindest term I can think of. Your inability to discern legitimate worry from concern-trolling and your moronic miscategorizing of legitimate critics as haterz has been in my opinion more destructive than it's possible to measure. I think you have set Dash back years and are responsible personally for the loss of millions in market cap. If Dash succeeds, it will be in spite of, not because in any way of your participation. You are a blight on Dash, the cryptosphere, and humanity. You will go down in the record books as the most effeminate, dim-witted forum thug in the history of ever. |
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all of the official dash forums are moderated by beneficiaries of Dash's revolutionary treasury system. I bought a Dash masternode and quickly found out that suggestions to improve the way treasury funds were allocated were not welcome. I persisted and was eventually banned from even partaking in the discussions. Of course the moderators argued that I had broken some rules, but that was a thinly-veiled pretext. Others broke the rules more often and egregiously than me without censorship. My comments could only be taken as infractions by the strictest, most biased interpretation. The treasury fund was originally created to fund code development, and then to finance education, marketing and integrations if there was any left over. It is still largely used for those purposes, but in ways that are getting progressively less and less efficient as power consolidates around a core group with an incentive to asymmetrically extract more value than they contribute. That value extraction can actually be measured by Dash's slow descent down the coin market cap rankings. additional info can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/dissidentdash |
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I sold all the way up, Bro. I was down to dust at the top. Bought some really cool night vision goggles on purse.io. I can't really use them on the SeaDoo I bought before that. Or the convertible. or the other convertible. or the motorcycle. or the house. How u doin?
Lol, guy bragging about how he liquidated all his bitcoin for a bunch of depreciating assets to stroke his own ego.... to Bitcoin holders who are in it for the long term gains and possibly early retirement. How about we won't be broke in 10 years. Like u, Bro? And who brags about a SeaDoo and some night vision goggles? Trolls are all 12 year old boys now? Wtf does a grown man do with night vision goggles? I protect my huge stack of benjamins. |
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I sold all the way up, Bro. I was down to dust at the top. Bought some really cool night vision goggles on purse.io. I can't really use them on the SeaDoo I bought before that. Or the convertible. or the other convertible. or the motorcycle. or the house. How u doin?
Lol, guy bragging about how he liquidated all his bitcoin for a bunch of depreciating assets to stroke his own ego.... to Bitcoin holders who are in it for the long term gains and possibly early retirement. How about we won't be broke in 10 years. Like u, Bro? I get a regular stream of income from my masternode. The amount varies depending on trading price, but I don't have to worry about market timing which admittedly I suck at. |
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In spite of your ongoing naysaying, Bitcoin remains the cypto that is providing the most value and security to the space on an ongoing basis, and other coins projects, to the extent that they are profitable at all relative to bitcoin, are for the most part profitable only because bitcoin maintains a kind of core security and considerably more decentralization than any other project that is merely creating the appearance of decentralization (to the extent that they are able and want to spout out decentralization talking points). So get the fuck out of here with proclamations that some other coin is better, and that bitcoin is some kind of old generation, because hardly no one in this thread is going to believe that kind of bullshit.
Sure, at 43% market dominance according to CoinmarketCap. Down from what? over 90%? In the 1970,s America was the largest car manufacturing country in the world. in the 1990s, Yahoo dominated search. Do you wanna be in Yahoo or in Google? I'm not downplaying Bitcoin's historical significance and I firmly believe Satoshi Nakamoto will go down in history as the most important inventor since Tim Berners-Lee or maybe even Gutenberg, but there's lots of stores of value (precious metals, real estate) and relatively few except fiat and credit that are used as a medium of exchange, which is where we can change the world. The reason I am here is because I am trying to figure out how to determine market share when all we have is transaction volume and Market cap to go on. Transaction volume means nothing when TXs are almost free as with most coins. Market Cap is just last trading price multiplied by number of coins in circulation. It has little to do with which crypto is actually being used. Am I missing some other relevant metric? On public blockchains, it should be relatively simple to calculate dollar value of transactions/block, but nobody is doing that to my knowledge. I wonder why? These whales pushing the market around-what are they thinking? How do they determine value or is is all just Greater Fool Theory order flows? |
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