Seems like we want something unusual and scary.

1) Trust that's proof based and cannot be abused.
2) More moderatos that have free time to handle reports and such.
3) System that cannot be abused so everyone can do his own business without harm other people business

I can count to 101, but also i would like to add that not only me but most not native english speakers have something to say that's important, but seems like everyone here playing a "teacher".
We are happy with the low english skill level we have, because we don't need that language at daily basis.
In matter of fact, try to talk in english in Germany and lets see who will actually give a shit about you, or try to find a job as english speaker only in Germany.

We do really need official rules, or if we won't have one, at least we need to follow the unofficial rules.
It is sad to see trusted lender that offers loans for people who accept accounts as collateral being tagged after trying to sell the account which was given to him as collateral after the person just run away with his money and not turning them back.
And that's just example of how the account sales rule is abused by DT own judgement just because its not "ethical" but they don't care about the rule they break..

Edit:
Not in last place, trust score should be ONLY send based on successful trade or PROVEN scam.
Not because you think that person is scam, not because you think that person is not trustworthy, but IF YOU PROVE IT.
That's how 99,99% of all forums over the internet works.
And some of them exists way before bitcointalk without problem, and never had that drama problems bitcointalk has.
I don't know and never dealt with ognasty but its sad to see one of the most trusted people around abused by someone false and fake judgement.

1) DT is abused. Abused services/stuff should have no place here
2) Merit is trash but it will remain because its "new" trash.
3. Then we need "not busy" moderators obviously ? If they are busy, that's their own problem and no one judge them, that doesn't mean the community don't need moderators with more time ?
4) Unofficial rules are unofficial rules. Or i can think that my zimbabwe dollars are us dollars no matter they are not ? Still DT members taking care of the "un official" rules by their own judgement by tagging something allowed by that rules which is account sales.

Powers should have only Moderators, Admins and no one else.
Other members should only exchange positive/negative feedback in public not moderated thread as post and if its required they should provide valid arguments and proofs for their positive or negative feedback.
No one should be able to abuse someone feedback based on his own judgement and ethics.
Just because someone doesn't like "John" wants to charge "Paul" 30 cents for something that "Steve" do not agree, that doesn't mean "Steve" should ruin "John" reputation based on his own judgement which no one gives a fuck about ?
Why should every single member and all newbies agree with "Steve" decision?
Why everyone ignoring the fact that the people with "DT Powers" not only abusing the system but also lying ?
Not only the Pharmacist lying, but Lauda,Vod and 99% of the people with fake "powers".
We all can trace everyone words and they are not better than most people here.
They may be helpful but not better.

Also thanks for the moderator who deleting posts from my OWN thread for "off-topic" stuff ?
Then why you don't delete marlboroza or whatever his name is for off-topic ?
What an idiots

The facts are facts.
The trust system is abused and not trustworthy.
Some DT members playing as "team" and abusing it by the way they want to.
Some DT members LYING not only with statements but with abusive trust score.
This trust score should not let someone look like a scammer if he's not.
A trust system should be trust system, not a personal revenge.

Again another lost soul who posting just the same even after all the comments.
No one give a fuck what do you think and how you twist words moron.
I already said what i have to say.
I call every single scammer a scammer, no matter is it casino or not.
I do not count them as casinos, platforms, exchanges i count them as scammers, and as every single scammer they coming back for more.
If you are to retarded to understand what i am saying, that's your own problem.
If you want to twist words, that doesn't make it truth.
Fuck off, and if you don't have anything to say about the topic, again fuck off.

DT isn't perfect since the existing, not since his post.
In matter of fact, the only bad thing of DT is the existence of it.
We don't need DefaultTrust system.
We need vouch, feedback system that can and should be posted only proof based.
And posts like "Photos are not proof they can be photoshoped" is more than lame excuse, because every single person can see is this photo is actually manipulated or real.
Because if someone count "notepad" story as proof better than a detailed and connected scam report, is retard.
As i said before, we can watch and learn from many different forums how they handle the problem.
It is not something bad to learn from others and try to create something better, but it is bad to leave running a "trust" system that can be abused with single click.
There is million proofs about that, and i am one of it as receiver and sender.

Can't wait to see destroyed abused system.
Can't wait to see new not abused system, fair and proof based for each claim, positive or negative.
And for those who lying with abusive statements either positive or negative being banned.
Never gonna happen to see banned all the scammers... That just hurt my feelings
Not every system will get abused, as i said, we can see many forums who handle the forum without problem.

I don't like to lock this thread, i would like to see other people opinions.
You also feel how abusive the trust system is months ago, are you going to deny the facts or what?
We don't need minor guidelines.
It is 2019 and this forum exists since almost 10 years.
We need official rules, we need trust system that cannot be abused.
We need moderated scam section that will bring ban to each proven scammer, and we don't need group of people to circle merit and abuse the trust system.
Lauda, you were abused by the trust system for long long time, don't even try to deny the trust system is abused.
Do not deny that many DT members lying at their reasons for posting negative feedback.
Even if i waste 3 hours of my time to get 100+ proofs of my words sadly that won't change a thing, but we all know what am i talking about.

Lets not talk about people with names like Lauda, Tman or anyone else, lets talk about the problem of the trust system and the way it is abused.
It is more than obvious who abusing the trust system, but the point here is why there should be any system that can be and it is abused?
I can quote and show at least 100 proofs that how this trust system is manipulated, abused and not used properly and that's allowed, but buying and selling accounts which is also allowed by the rules gives you red tag just because some people don't see that as ethical or those acts can bring scams ?

Actually i can't agree with you.
We can always watch and learn from different forums that do not allow anyone to abuse anything.
People using feedback as vouches with proven trades.
And if someone would like to point out a scammer, after a single negative feedback (proven scamming) he should be banned.
Posts like "I do not trust this window licker" and such should not make someone legit profile to look like a scamming one.
Isn't the idea of the feedback positive or negative to be based on some trade or scam ?
Why should it be abusive ?
Why would we need trust system that everyone can abused ? Especially by group of members who can act like team ?
There is 10+ "blackmarkets" or "forums" for digital goods or whatever you like to call it that using proper and legit trust system that cannot be abused.

Dude, i am not talking about my negs, i am talking about much bigger than me and you?
Did you even read the thread?
Its about the abusive ways that people making this forum trash?
Isn't the meta to talk about the forum but not people ?
Should i give a fuck about my negative reputation consider i always use escrow? How do you think ? I don't give a zero fuck.
But why it should be fake and abused?

Edit: Sorry Lauda... This thread isn't about you, its about the abused trust system, you are just part of it.

Who the fuck are you son ?
And why the fuck any forum will give negatively affect my real life ?
I can buy account for less than 5 mins, which is allowed by the rules, but not allowed by the DT Mafia ?
There is no rules for them i guess.
I can't put food in my table ? Thanks god you will not be alive to see that even if someday happens
That's not the point

The Pharmacist:

You really are a scammer.  I can't even fathom somebody honest writing something like that.

Could you please show us who and how did i scam?

TMAN, owlcatz, Lauda clearly abuse their powers by posting negative feedback in my profile for no reason, not to mention if they see someone who do not support their words and what they do, clearly "I don't trust this person" is enough to ruin someone reputation
And we all know they do that as team

Hello and first i would like to say that i know posting this topic in first place is useless and won't change anything, but believe me, i talk from many people on this forum, and i will try to use facts only and not empty words.

I will try to manage the topic in few parts, because it will be long one.

1). Lets start with the problem with the "DefaultTrust" system.
We all know that most of the "DefaultTrust" members have their own standard.
They are couple of people who run the "trust" score by their own discretion and not based on the "non official bitcointalk rules"
It is sad that the very first bitcoin forum created by Satoshi Nakamoto itself, have no official rules after 10 years of existing in first place.
If Satoshi were still active, and watch what is going on in his forum, this would never happened...
Couple of people running this forum (yes they running it not you) by teams.
Teams that manipulate, abuse and ruin this forum with fake/false arguments, most of them cleaning their actions with "funny" utterances which of course are supported with laugh from the other "DefaultTrust" members.
This scheme is old and it is more obvious for those who don't have their eyes closed.
Every single member in this forum know about those existing teams who abuse and manipulate the trust score, ruining the whole market and everything in this forum.
Every single person can see after the first member of the team post somewhere, the others follow them strictly by just spreading the word of the first.
They attack the OP not only with abusive and false trust abuse but also with arrogant arguments based on no proofs ignoring the statements which are proof based.
Everyone know that if TMAN, owlcatz or Lauda post somewhere, no matter which one will be the first poster, others are coming in less than a day to support each other, and no matter the facts they stay behind the first poster of the team.
Do not get me wrong, i am pretty sure all of those "DefaultTrust" members have done a lot for the community, but based on the statistic and the facts for last 12 months, they have done for this forum only bad things.
We can continue with the other "team" of "DefaultTrust" abusers.
They are know and also their posts are coming right after the very first one and i am talking about the marlboroza, The Pharmacist and LoyceV.
I don't really like to commend the bad things most of them doing, but 99.99% of the forum know each of those "DefaultTrust" members reacts and false arguments.
As the first team, this team also running pretty well their circle of support, fabricating false arguments without proofs and abusing the trust system.

Sadly the facts and the statistic show that the "DefaultTrust" members have done nothing but bad things in the last 12 months.
I bet you will trying to say that's not true, but everything they done in the last year were only supported by group of members who control the "Merit circle" and not the normal and average bitcointalk member.
They using those "powers" to censorship, manipulate the trust system and also abusing the "Merit" system.
This courage the account sales in this forum, no matter sales are not forbidden (but they still tag it and by that they break the bitcointalk rules but no one care).

Lets see the facts about the trust abuse based on false arguments without single proof (I will just add few, they are many):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103988.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105765.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105875.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098315.0

And many many more.
All of the DT members do their "job" based in their own view, giving this forum nothing but "Mafia" management.

I can continue with this, but it will take so much space and information which already everyone know.

2) Merit
The whole idea of Merit system is more than absurd.
You will ask why?
Take a look at the huge "Merit circle"...
Most of the "Merit" in this forum is controlled by very few persons who circle it.
Many very new members are not familiar with it, don't know how to earn it, and if the "Mafia" do not accept their posts as "Good", "Useful" and so, they never rank up.
The same people decide what is good and what is not for someone to rank up based in their own views not letting competition or anyone who have different view point.
The whole idea of creating this forum from Satoshi is dead and the way people are forced to use the forum doing it.
All new members and those who already using the forum from some time, are forced to lick their asses, watch what they write because if they do not meet the criteria of the "Mafia" team who control the merits and the trust system, they will be out.
Is that what Satoshi really wanted from this forum ?
Is that what Satoshi were giving as idea for the normal bitcoin user and bitcointalk user?
I don't think so...
I can't really touch all the problems for the normal average bitcointalk user but even if i had the space and time to talk about it, it won't be read and handled properly.
Don't get me wrong, by "handled properly" doesn't mean handled by my view point by the view point of EVERYONE and not couple of people in this forum.

3) Moderators
Since ages this forum sections are dying from spam, and from months the marketplaces dying from the same reason.
Many and important sections which people were super active months ago are dying from spam and not moderated topics.
And i am talking about the marketplaces.
The bitcoin marketplaces (currency,digital goods,hardware) and the altcoin marketplaces.
They are leaved to die, people are not so active on them anymore because of the reasons above and also the bad moderation of the forum.
The post reports are handled super poorly, super slow and based on opinion but not rules (because we still don't have rules).

I will reserve a space to add more in thru this problems and lock this thread because it is useless to read the "Mafia" team posts, but at least this can be read by you, our admin.
Everything should be consider and everything should be voted!
If something will cost you money to do, but everyone want it - we will donate to help our forum to be better place.

Problems that can be solved:

1.Removing the Merit system because it is not fair.
It is not fair for everyone and the average new member.
"Merit Circle" Mafia should not decide who will rank up and who not.
Official rules should replace the judgement which post is useless, spam and so, and it will be removed from Moderator.

2.Removing "DefaultTrust" powers.
Yes that's right, this abuse should have his end as it has begin.
We don't need abused false and fake opinions by "Mafia" team.
If someone needs feedback, it can be used like everywhere else, with non-moderated thread used to collect "Vouches"
Those "Vouches" should be proof based so the "feedback" cannot be manipulated.
There is no need of "Positive" and "Negative" feedback on profile.
Everyone who wants to run "business" on this forum, should be able to do it free, without breaking the rules, and if he want to become trusted, that should not dependent from "Team" which decide who will be and who won't be trusted in this forum.
Trust should be based in feedback.
Take a look how marketplace forums run since 10-15 years such as sythe,powerbot and many many more.

3.Official rules.
Finally we need official rules (Well at least after 10 years it is time Moderators to follow official rules but not take decisions by their own).
There should be Official rules that Moderators should follow strictly.
Rules that people should respect and follow.
Most of the "Not Official" rules being passed and not followed not only by the Moderators but the "Mafia" team who manipulate the trust system and Merit.
If something is allowed such as "Account sales" it should not been abused and tolerated.
If that kind of sales got forbidden, then Moderators should take care of it.

4. More moderation.
Yes this forum needs more moderation and more Moderators with free time to do it.
Scams in this forum should be moderated and proven scammers should be banned.
By "Proven scammers" i underline scam reports with valid and proper evidences.
Those "Proper evidences" should not be considered as such based on free notepad story's, but clearly matching who is talking with who, matching his contact details and the scam itself.
Samples can be taken from different forums how they moderate the scam reports.
Moderation of scams should be punished with ban by the Moderators.


And not in last place i would like to say few words.
Theymos, we need to you more than ever, and the forum statistics showing that.
People leaving this forum, people not coming often in this forum, people being abused, threatened and forced to follow group of people and their own "game".
That wasn't Satoshi idea, that wasn't the forum idea in first place.
I know you have the powers to make the things better for everyone.
The average new and normal member needs his favorite bitcoin forum back.
And we need it ASAP.
This should be place for people!
This should be place for everyone!
For knowledge, information, marketplace and communication.
Not place where people abusing each other, where people don't have official rules, where people being forced to do something, or they will be abused with false abusive trust score ratings.
This forum crying for proper moderation and end of the "Mafia" era.

This thread is now not locked so every single retard who abuse his DT powers and lie can post here.

Are you blind or retarded? You can buy lbc or paxful accounts.
You can't buy high trusted forum escrow account you idiot.
Also for 10 years so far, i don't know a hacked high trusted escrow.

NEVER EVER DEAL WITH ANYTHING ELSE THAN BITCOINTALK ESCROW.
PEOPLE SELLING AND BUYING lbtc accounts,  paxful and so.
use your brain

OP is scammer

Everyone can see the screenshot you scamming moron.

I already stated my point. Cloudbet do not care what all of you write here, do you support or not support the case.
They already won enough to say goodbye if they want.
No matter how you courage the OP or dislike, that won't change anything but could also bring fake hopes.

That won't be so bad case for them, they already won millions euro via anonymous hosted casino.

Seems like none of you get that Cloudbet don't give a fuck what you guys discuss or talk here.

Decrease premium ? Stop begging for discounts.
If u need some create your own thread and stop spamming the currency section, moron.