Take some pictures please

Where are you sending it from as well?

Looks like this guy is now scamming people on Ebay

A concerned user was googling his name and found our thread

We have some more information and I think we should create a bounty to track this person down and bring him to justice

Here is the new information that we have

This is his Ebay profile
http://www.ebay.nl/usr/2013papatango

This is his address

Milembo Bindo
Kroonstraat 1
1750, Sint-Qwintens-Lennik
BE
phone +3222303654

I've been told as well someone actually bought and picked up a Macintosh from him
He is an African male about 40 years old

Which matches the pics that we posted in the thread earlier

Yes this is what most people get confused with but keep in mind that's all we have to use now

You can buy a miner with Fiat or Bitcoin but when you're paying with Fiat and getting returns in Bitcoin that obviously muddies the waters as the price fluctuates

The calculations are not hard to do by yourself instead of relying on all these websites to do it for you and it comes to one very clear conclusion

There is very little on the market at this point that you will get a ROI whether its BTC or Fiat (keep in mind that you calculate how many BTC's you can buy right now for that amount) with a modest increase in difficulty 10-15% over a 6 month period

Lets not forget you may want to sell during a bubble that might be occurring during that period whereby it's much easier to liquidate the coins you already have

If the purchase is really as large as it's made out to be and the volatility of multipool mining
To me this is an indication not to get into this space anytime soon

I think maybe look out for a scrypt cloud mining site popping up soon though...

If your motivation is to make high returns on your investments in short periods then it's always going to be a gamble

You said and I quote


There is plenty of information in these forums/on the internet to make very safe decisions when investing in Bitcoin

#1 Rule would be not to invest any money you're not willing to part with

Sounds to me though you may have problems with other finances and if you're looking at BTC to be the miracle cure to get you out of those problems you're going to have a bad time I think

I can "guaranty" nothing good will come of this scam

When he had the opportunity to provide demonstrable evidence of the existence of these units
He took a 10 sec video of a box with a LCD Screen and claimed he didn't have enough time to do anymore..

I'm mean fuck me! Seriously?
What do you do that is so important during the weeks/months in the lead up to selling these devices that you couldn't spare 30 minutes to record a video of the entire unit inside and out
And showing a video of it hashing with cgminer to a verifiable address?

How is it that you can't manage your time properly to allow an hour to do that?

If you have a math degree then you should be able to break down the cost/benefits in a nice little table for this thread

Just so we can see the calculations you are doing to come to this conclusion

I'm going to guess that it's not going to come out anywhere near your predictions
Make sure you program in a large degree of volatility of which you will only be assuming because their is no real data to pull from... granted that multipools and scrypt coins have not be around for long

If you're appealing to intellectual people then flaunting your degrees is meaningless
The proof is in the pudding as they say

That's fine

Now ask yourself the question why there are restrictions on new user accounts being able to create signatures

No matter which way you put it.. The only reason you buy and sell accounts are to get around restrictions/rules that have been placed there for a certain purpose

And to me that seems so counter-intuitive to impose the restrictions and allow the counter measures

While it may not be against the TOS you can't tell me that it's an ethical practice

The whole point of a trust system is being able to have the confidence in the person you are dealing with
When you buy and sell account you invalidate that and make it completely meaningless

As a direct result I'm unwilling to trust anyone of this forum when buying/selling/trading and so should everyone else until this sort of practice is outlawed

Then again some people would sell their own mothers just to make a quick buck

Good Riddance I say

Dropping out of this one sorry

I'm relinquishing my share and can be made available again

Thanks

I think you are smart enough to work that out

Ill give the web access a go

Put me down as interested in the deal

I'm pretty sure this guy has some form of mental retardation..

Not only did he also register this new site only a few days ago
He also did it with exactly the same hosting provider as the other two sites..

And on this new one he's ripped off every single picture on the site from the Internet
Choose any of the pictures on that site and if you use Chrome you can show similar images
One came from an obscure German Ebay type site over a year ago

I think you're stupid enough to register them all under the same account as well

And as soon as anyone says the word scam it triggers his "troll alert".. dear lord the BFL and Cointerra  are the biggest troll threads on the WORLD WIDE WEB!!
The trolls per capita on these are astronomical.. oh the humanity!
Now watch with my awesome logic skills make a comparison to their threads in relation to my own...
1. All have massive amounts of trolls
2. Cointerra and BFL actually have devices that people are actually using
3. Therefore my devices are real

Oh also no worries guys.. I got my bonus I don't care now I don't care what happens.. I only created all these free sites in a few days
Even if I get a few stupid people to buy something I've made more than I came with

"Nuff said." Are you a prepubescent teenager?

I've done enough now no one in this thread is going to be a victim of this fraud.. If I see it anywhere on the Internet as well I'll point it back here

One piece of final advice though.. Don't procreate any further.. humanity would be better off

Every single post you make is riddled with spelling mistakes and grammatical errors.

A 4th grader would be more adept at the English language than you.. let alone an English major

Not but a few days ago I made a fake order on your website to see how you were trying to fraudulently sell an illegitimate product
This was order number 46 as per the screenshot. The order was made at a time you said you had over 300 orders.. so between the last 3-4 days you will have everyone believe that there has been
800 - 46 = 754 pre-orders of this machine from advertising in this forum exclusively
In a thread that hasn't been touch in over a week that got almost to Page 4.. in one of the lesser active subforums



People that fraudulently take money from other people are akin to criminals that deserve sentences  of 10 years or more

The most retarded things are
A. You keep persisting with it
B. It's not even an intelligent fraud.. Whoever you're working with you could have sat down with for a day and just wrote everything you think it would make it look that way and at least try to change it

It's not surprising though

I honestly can't believe you came back.. this was almost on page 4 and heading towards oblivion where it belongs

Firstly "We have brought on our first US & UK re-seller" doesn't make sense.
The grammar is terrible and you used the wrong word

Secondly you could have at least registered with another domain service this time.. Yet no.. same one again..registered only 4 days ago
Is that what you've been doing for the last week? Making this website? Making all the pretty pictures and signing up for a free shopping cart?
What went through your mind when you put in the graphic that says "Over 700 satisfied customers"

Do you really think people are that retarded?

Just crawl back to whatever hole you came out of and stay their please

Bueller

lol

I think $2750 is a little low but they would sell like hotcakes yes I would certainly take one or two for sure

I think that the discussion so far including other miners is pertinent to the conversation

No one is saying they can predict the future either.. but you can make estimated predictions on the information that you have
That's what I do at least .. and like I said my predictions are conservative as well

It's not a bad deal for the unit
The quality/support is good and the company is reputable

It's just the BTC price does not match up with the return of the unit
The simple numbers just don't lie..

I wouldn't be mining to make huge profits as I understand the importance of the process
But I just can't make the loss I would be by purchasing one of these right now..

Any argument about the price going up or down doesn't matter as well.. The fact is once you've paid for it.. it's locked in.. from this point of time with even conservative estimates you will not get a ROI on the unit.
If there were even a chance I could get a small % of ROI I would jump on it straight away and I think that's what other people are alluding to here