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41  Other / Off-topic / Re: What programming language should i learn? on: October 14, 2021, 05:37:47 AM
Python in good way to start. It is quite easy, quite nice, universal (not domain specific) and multiplatform. Later, you will find other skill usefull depending on what exactly you want to code.
42  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you think new technology prices will ever go down? on: October 14, 2021, 05:32:32 AM
SImple answer - no.

The reason why is everything more and more expensive is inflation. In real, things aren't getting more expensive in general, but the value of money is getting lower.

43  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Everything good needs value on: October 14, 2021, 05:23:44 AM
I agree.

But we must keep in mind that values are more or less individual. Time is valued because we can never have more time - the time of our lives is getting shorter every second and never can be prolonged. On the top of that, as we are getting older, we are spending time less effectivelly...

Lots of people did not realize this and I hear all the time things like: I will do it when I'll have more time. But truth is it will never be...
44  Other / Politics & Society / Re: hypothetical solution of corruption in politics on: October 13, 2021, 01:24:20 PM
Imo, the solution lays in teaching people through songs, books, movies, TV series that being wealthy is a good thing, but being overly rich, collecting airplanes, buying several houses worth millions USD each etc. is disgusting.

Disagree. Why is it disgusting? It is bad for other people when you steal money from them (generally), but if you earn lots of money and like the planes, why should it be disgusting to collect them?


I'm not saying "Eat the rich" and stuff like that. Far from it. Indeed, if you honestly earn a lot of money and want to live a luxury life, you have every right to do so. You can buy a private jet, you can buy the most expensive house in the world etc. ...

But collecting airplanes and buying several such houses? Idk, I think stupidity is disgusting.

And "Why is it stupidity?", you might ask. Well, we live in the age of the Internet, and it's stupid to not use it. If you want to feel happier, do your research first, and you'll find out that in most cases buying another airplane or very expensive house will not help with that. It can even decrease the feeling of well-being.

Well, IMHO if you are rich it is stupid to not use your wealth. What is the purpose of it if not use it for whatever reason? Happiness isn't the only one and doing some research for something so individual as happiness is irelevant at all. You can use wealth for example for making life easier, more comfortable or just for aesthetical purpose.

Lets say I am very rich and have comfortable house which is a piece of architectonical art. I would like to go to holiday but I really hate hotels. Because of I can afford the same comfort as at home, I will simply buy a new house at my holiday destination. As years passed, I've collected a few houses all around the world.

It is same as collecting whatever else. Someone is collecting cars, someone knives, some other tea ceramics or tatoos - every of them has its own reason for it and it doesn't have to be happiness at all.
45  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The vaccination issue is not bipolar on: October 12, 2021, 09:58:15 AM
4.5 million people have died from Covid so far. A vaccine might be a good idea.
How much is it in relative %? Not much, hm?
The maths is quite straightforward. If you're incapable of calculating, it's about 1 in 1,750 people globally. And rising.

Yes, math is simple, and tvbcof did the calculations for us - so don't fear and say that percentage number and think about it. And of course, Mr Obvious - number of died would always be higher and higher - I am sure you understand why.

A vaccine might not be a good idea, when we consider all cons, including fact, that nobody knows if it will work just a bit to future mutations.
This thing solves our current problem. But it might not solve future problems, so let's do nothing instead. Brilliant.  Roll Eyes

This maybe solves our current problem in short-time and brings lots of more problems in the future. Just say it whole. But from some reason you cannot or don't want to see that.

it must be very depressing, when someone shoot with your own weapon, isn't it?
Are you suggesting that you've won some argument? I can't see that you've even managed to make a valid point yet.

No. I am suggesting that you are prejudiced, using dogmatic view on situation and do not accept that there are other issues then death, which are getting worse with restrictions.

anti-waxers, considering them as responsible
Anti-vaxxers contribute to the spread of the virus, help to keep it in circulation, and help to create new variants. Yes, of course. This is not controversial.

Pro-vaxxers contribute to economical issues (not only to individuals but to whole nations), tightening political power, destroying psychological health and social coexistence. And (because they still can catch covid) they help to create new variants. These issues will exists for tens years with us. And yes, this is considered as controversial, but sad true.

but you are angry when someone talk about consequences of action for pro-waxers and you considere discussion as finished. Isn't this behaviour strange? Doesn't we call it hypocritical? Do you even try to thing how could other people who lost their jobs and bussiness feel and live because of your action?
I'm irritated with you because I find your position morally indefensible. 4.5 million people have died, and this number would be far higher without lockdowns, and of course without vaccination. How many people have died because their business lost some profit? No need for exact figures, just give the answer to the nearest million.

Morally indefensible? Really? Some extremely low percent of population died and you stoically say that you do not care about:
  • private bussiness which support living of families
  • psychological health
  • education
  • healthcare
And of course not just today but tens of years in the future? You want to speak about morality? You don't care about others lives and you have some requirements to them? And of course I am sure that you have some data about that number which would be far higher without lockdowns. How can you know? You think or believe?

There are huge, independent datasets from most countries in the world. And not just from governments, but also from universities and professional bodies. Do you really think this is all fake? Why would it be?
Because of money and power like always.
You are outraged not that millions have died, but that some people have lost profit. And yet you won't accept data from anywhere, because you think it's all motivated by money. "Doesn't we call it hypocritical?"

Oh please, just wake up from that dream you are living. You just don't accept any other issues linked to restrictions. Just go get shopping, maybe you will see how higher is the price of food in compare to last year. How should someone who lost bussiness do feed children without profit? You don't care? He/she doesn't care about gov restrictions. But of course they have to support these restrictions by paying taxes.

I have no data, because I didn't do any research
Really? Because that's not coming across at all.  Roll Eyes

You find some data on the net a decided to believe. I decided to not believe. Neither of us has proof that data is not fake. Try to think about that. And thanks again to tvbcof who did the job and looked what sort of data sources you are using.

46  Other / Politics & Society / Re: hypothetical solution of corruption in politics on: October 12, 2021, 06:17:00 AM
Imo, the solution lays in teaching people through songs, books, movies, TV series that being wealthy is a good thing, but being overly rich, collecting airplanes, buying several houses worth millions USD each etc. is disgusting.

Disagree. Why is it disgusting? It is bad for other people when you steal money from them (generally), but if you earn lots of money and like the planes, why should it be disgusting to collect them?


Although I can really sympathize with your sentiment, I disagree in some parts since some ideas mentioned may prove to be a bringer of more problems than solutions (no offense).

May I ask you to expand this a little bit more? Your thoughts may be a fine addition to whole topic.

47  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The vaccination issue is not bipolar on: October 12, 2021, 06:06:44 AM
I want to say, that it is not true that generic immunity do not help for covid. The fact that some people died for covid doesn't mean that we should spend lots of money to vaccination for everybody, exactly like in the case of flu vaccines. There should be consideration of pros and cons.
Pro: 4.5 million people have died from Covid so far. A vaccine might be a good idea.
How much is it in relative %? Not much, hm? A vaccine might not be a good idea, when we consider all cons, including fact, that nobody knows if it will work just a bit to future mutations.

How can you know that science data is not fake? It happened lots of time in history, that science data was custom-made for political purpose. I worked ten years in public university, science is funded exclusively on the basis of nepotism. I don't want to say that the situation is everywhere the same, I just wondering, why politicians in our country still have to lie and scare, when they have clear science data to persuade people rationally.
We are not talking about an individual paper or data report here. There are huge, independent datasets from most countries in the world. And not just from governments, but also from universities and professional bodies. Do you really think this is all fake? Why would it be?
Because of money and power like always.

So you are going above the scope of restrictions. Don't you mind that these restrictions caused collapsed economy? Don't you feel little bit guilty that you participate to cropper bussiness of some people?
This question makes me angry. I'm unable to respond without detailing how I feel about anti-vaxxers and their behaviour, which would create a lot of tension in this thread, and likely end the discussion.
So you are angry? I am so sorry for that - it must be very depressing, when someone shoot with your own weapon, isn't it? Let me show you some of your posts from another similar topic.

BTW... Vaccination is not a freedom issue. You are not free to stand in a public place with a gun and shoot down random passersby. Similarly, you should not be free to stand in a public place and cough potentially lethal virus onto people.
The reason that we still have restrictions is that the virus is still circulating, with a high R-value. And the main reason for this is that we haven't quite achieved herd immunity, because not enough people have taken the vaccine. It is anti-vaxxers who are causing the restrictions, which is strange as they are the ones responsible.
But it's not a freedom issue unless the consequences of both action and inaction affect only you. With the Covid vaccine, your action of taking the vaccine may give you side effects, so affects only you, but your inaction in refusing to take it affects others, because you increase the chances of them contracting the virus.
So you see it yourself. You are talking about consequences of inaction for anti-waxers, considering them as responsible, but you are angry when someone talk about consequences of action for pro-waxers and you considere discussion as finished. Isn't this behaviour strange? Doesn't we call it hypocritical? Do you even try to thing how could other people who lost their jobs and bussiness feel and live because of your action?

  • politicians abused whole covid situation to tighten their power over people;
  • politicians abused whole covid situation to steal public money;
Politicians will likely try to exploit any situation to their own advantage. Doesn't mean the underlying situation isn't real.
Yes of course. But it doesn't mean that it is enough to consider just one aspect of whole situation. And it doesn't matter that we have to participate on the political game.

  • I don't think covid vaccine will help (much), just like in case of flu;
Which data are you basing this opinion on?
On the fact that vaccine just cannot have job done on fast mutating RNA virus just like in the case of flu (similar virus). I have no data, because I didn't do any research - I am not scientist.



Thank you tvbcof for very good posts. I do not have any smerits to tell this right way.

48  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The vaccination issue is not bipolar on: October 10, 2021, 06:25:09 PM
Many people died, but many people also hasn't any symptoms. Isn't it because of this general immunity?
This discussion point started on Jet Cash's assertion that vaccination was unnecessary. You are saying that some people have been exposed to Covid, and yet experienced no symptoms. Yes, agreed. You are also saying that many people have died from Covid. Yes, agreed. So why is vaccination unnecessary?

I want to say, that it is not true that generic immunity do not help for covid. The fact that some people died for covid doesn't mean that we should spend lots of money to vaccination for everybody, exactly like in the case of flu vaccines. There should be consideration of pros and cons.

What is the data supporting pro-waxers arguments? Those data comes from people directly motivated by finance income. Is those data reliable? Lets say it directly: politicians lied to us lots of time, how can I trust to them? So pro-vaxxers arguments are based on faith, that politicians do not lie.
The vast collection of data from ourworldindata is available for download here: https://github.com/owid/covid-19-data/tree/master/public/data
The list of sources is available here: https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19
It is not a question of faith in politicians. I have zero faith in politicians, and I don't trust our government at all. My background and expertise is in science and data. I look at the data.

How can you know that science data is not fake? It happened lots of time in history, that science data was custom-made for political purpose. I worked ten years in public university, science is funded exclusively on the basis of nepotism. I don't want to say that the situation is everywhere the same, I just wondering, why politicians in our country still have to lie and scare, when they have clear science data to persuade people rationally.

pro-waxxers (or generally pro-gov-restrictions people) contribute to these issues by obeying government.
I started working from home and taking distancing precautions whilst our government (UK) was still insisting Covid wouldn't be a problem. The data from Italy and Spain were clear, yet the fools in charge don't understand (or willfully misunderstand) the data.
Similarly I still wear a mask when I'm out, but our government have said they're no longer needed.
It is not a question of pro-vaxxers blindly trusting government.

So you are going above the scope of restrictions. Don't you mind that these restrictions caused collapsed economy? Don't you feel little bit guilty that you participate to cropper bussiness of some people?

Is your issue with the Covid vaccines in particular, or with the concept of vaccination in general? Historical data for smallpox and polio as two examples from many, are perfectly clear.

I am not anti-waxxer in general. I am just actual situation anti-waxer, because of:
  • politicians abused whole covid situation to tighten their power over people;
  • politicians abused whole covid situation to steal public money;
  • I don't think covid vaccine will help (much), just like in case of flu;
  • covid vaccine is not well tested compared to other vaccine, testers should get paid for this;
  • covid is not so deadly big deal, making expensive show is not worth of it.
49  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The vaccination issue is not bipolar on: October 10, 2021, 11:19:08 AM
Of course that natural immunity exists - there is general non-specific immunity, which is used against new viruses. If something like this wouldn't exists, every new virus will exterminate whole mankind.
General innate immunity doesn't make you invincible. Many people have died from Covid. The way to achieve immunity to Covid is either catch it, or take the vaccine. There isn't a third option.

Many people died, but many people also hasn't any symptoms. Isn't it because of this general immunity?


I wrote a post to you in another topic, but you didn't answer. Why do you blame anti-waxers, but don't agree with contribution of pro-waxers to other issues conjuctive with covid restrictions?
Apologies, I either didn't see it, or else was too focused on responding to someone else. As for blaming anti-vaxxers, I have yet to see valid data to support their arguments, whereas there are mountains of data to refute them conclusively. Whilst Jet Cash is right that people are different, and certainly anti-vaxxers aren't all the same, many anti-vaxxer arguments are faith-based rather than fact-based. Their position is in direct opposition to all the evidence. I'm not sure what you mean in your second point "don't agree with contribution of pro-waxers to other issues conjuctive with covid restrictions" - please could you clarify?

What is the data supporting pro-waxers arguments? Those data comes from people directly motivated by finance income. Is those data reliable? Lets say it directly: politicians lied to us lots of time, how can I trust to them? So pro-vaxxers arguments are based on faith, that politicians do not lie.

To the last sentence. The gov restrictions has some negative effects (individual psychological condition, economy, education, individual bussiness, employment...). I thing (based on your argumentation), that pro-waxxers (or generally pro-gov-restrictions people) contribute to these issues by obeying government. Isn't they?

50  Other / Off-topic / Re: Tattoos have to have meaning? on: October 09, 2021, 01:13:23 PM
I agree with boyptc that taooing is art and with IIrik11 (or maybe Tony Robbins) that meaning is subjective. The main meaning of art is to express artists inside thoughts or emotions, thats why art exists. But like always, artists have to do custom-made art.
51  Other / Off-topic / Re: What would you do if you had so much money you couldnt spend it in a lifetime? on: October 09, 2021, 01:03:11 PM
People always dream about something in a way if I have money for [something].

If I would have such a money, my life circumstances will change rapidly, maybe my dreams will change either? I will have to decide in the first place, if I want to use money for something which change other peoples lives. Money brings lot of power, which is very pleasant to have... It will take lots of weed to decide that.

One thing I know for sure that I will be free of things that I must do.

52  Other / Off-topic / Re: How can I learn English well in 1 year? on: October 09, 2021, 12:50:15 PM
Watching movies in english and reading books are good start, but very limited. The best thing is to use it actively, so visiting english-speaking country is the best option.
53  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The vaccination issue is not bipolar on: October 09, 2021, 12:37:46 PM
medical opinion advises that vaccines are not needed where strong natural immunity is present. Again, this is the fist vaccine that goes against this advice.
There is no strong natural immunity. This is a novel coronavirus; it has not been encountered before. There is no pre-existing immunity. The two routes through which an individual can contribute to herd immunity are a) take the vaccine, or b) catch the virus. There's no third route.

Of course that natural immunity exists - there is general non-specific immunity, which is used against new viruses. If something like this wouldn't exists, every new virus will exterminate whole mankind.


Let your body get rid of the pathogens by not wearing a mask
There is no medical reason to not wear a mask. By refusing to wear a mask, you contribute to the spread of the virus. By refusing also to have a vaccine, you contribute to the spread of the virus. You are actively encouraging the rise of new variants by increasing the chances of catching the virus and then infecting other people. By refusing to take the vaccine you are also working to prevent herd immunity, and so increasing the chances of this becoming endemic (although this now seems an inevitability in any case).

Of course there are many reasons. I have some specific medical issues, which gets much worse in wet environment and wearing masks get it worse. Psychological problems exists too (these are medical issues too). Wearing mask for a long time is not natural, because people just had to breath...

I wrote a post to you in another topic, but you didn't answer. Why do you blame anti-waxers, but don't agree with contribution of pro-waxers to other issues conjuctive with covid restrictions?
54  Other / Politics & Society / Re: hypothetical solution of corruption in politics on: October 08, 2021, 06:39:29 PM
I imagine that will happen to my country, probably there will be no one to run for a public office. Most politicians run because of personal interest and political power they will hold.They even threaten or worst kill their opponent just to make sure they will win for elections.  Politics is a very tricky and dirty business.
So why politicians and government at all? Why should someone led by personal interest rule? Isn't this simple violence?
That is the downside of a democracy,  anyone can run for a public office as long as they are natural-born citizen, a registered voter, able to read and write and a resident of that country.  It  could lead to corruption for it is based on electoral competition. Furthermore, there is also a vote buying phenomenon, where the voter sells his or her vote to the highest bidder. Ordinary people are unaware of what is good for them, whoever can give them enough tangible rewards will be their candidate without even knowing the true intentions. Political violence.

Of course that I know that this is part of democracy. The meaning of my post was - why democracy at all? What will it brings to us except this violenent rule of people who cares just about themselves?
55  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Plandemic Survey] I wonder how many of you have been vaccinated ? on: October 08, 2021, 06:30:25 PM
Furthermore, it seems the vaccine is now been forced on people because they want to use this medium to reduce the population rate in the society.

This looks like conspiracy. Like every conspiracy, it can be true, at least partially. IMHO the main reason why they forced people to get vaxx is because they earn lots of money. Your health is something they do not care at all.

56  Other / Politics & Society / Re: hypothetical solution of corruption in politics on: October 08, 2021, 06:41:40 AM
I imagine that will happen to my country, probably there will be no one to run for a public office. Most politicians run because of personal interest and political power they will hold.They even threaten or worst kill their opponent just to make sure they will win for elections.  Politics is a very tricky and dirty business.

So why politicians and government at all? Why should someone led by personal interest rule? Isn't this simple violence?
57  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Plandemic Survey] I wonder how many of you have been vaccinated ? on: October 07, 2021, 01:59:07 PM
I can see that it's an imposition. But it's not a freedom issue unless the consequences of both action and inaction affect only you. With the Covid vaccine, your action of taking the vaccine may give you side effects, so affects only you, but your inaction in refusing to take it affects others, because you increase the chances of them contracting the virus. The argument against this, that everyone has been offered the vaccine, so by refusing to take it you are only increasing the risk to others who have refused... is relevant only in an idealised situation that doesn't exist in the real world. There are for example plenty of people who can't take the vaccine for medical reasons, and people who are too young to take it, and there is still of course cross-border travel.
My analogy of someone waving a gun around in a public place, if somewhat dramatic, is pertinent.

It is obvious that gov restrictions has a lot of negative affects. People who obey (encourage) these restrictions participate on every negative effect of these restrictions. So taking vaxx do affects others. Sorry to say, but your statement is not true.

I do not say, that not taking vaxx do not effects others. It does, like everything else, that's how universe works. But blaming anti-vaxxers from all negative effects and renounce your own share... It looks like really hard gov brainwash.

To your analogy - it is totally not pertinent. You live in real world, full of microorganism, get used to it. If you don't like it, if you panically fear of it, I have only one recommendation: psychologist. It is not normal to live in such a fear - contact with microorganisms is base of good immunity. Comparing natural environment with shooting people is... hardly over the line. Reality cannot be simplified too much even in theoretical conversation - from certain border it starts to be lies.

58  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Plandemic Survey] I wonder how many of you have been vaccinated ? on: October 06, 2021, 04:04:36 PM
Totally undestand your attitude. I personally know lot of people with similar one. But do you realize, that it won't end with one-shot? Soon we will have to go for jab periodically every few months, we will have covidpasses, even more restristions... So you avoid restrictions in short-time, but you did the worst thing in a long-time. If people didn't obey government in every restriction in spring/summer 2020, we can have no restriciotns today. If we obey every government shit today, we do not have less restrictions tommorow.
Yeah, I understand that that government soon can start to invite people to take third shot and it's very unlikely that it will be the last one. And I'm completely not fascinated about it. But what you're offering? It's easy to tell not obey government shit, but for example without covid passport I would be required to make tests every few days in order to go to work.

Sorry to say, but I didn't offering anything - I am not kind of messiah or something. I've already lost my job and I still don't have solution for my own situation. It is little bit late to not obey restrictions and don't get penalties. It was going to work without sanctions last year summer - now it is much more harder to resist, thanks to one year of obedient kneeling. But without resistance, it will be much harder in future then today... There is a saying in our country: We will eat what we cooked.
59  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Plandemic Survey] I wonder how many of you have been vaccinated ? on: October 05, 2021, 04:53:04 PM
If people didn't obey government in every restriction in spring/summer 2020, we can have no restriciotns today.
The reason that we still have restrictions is that the virus is still circulating, with a high R-value. And the main reason for this is that we haven't quite achieved herd immunity, because not enough people have taken the vaccine. It is anti-vaxxers who are causing the restrictions, which is strange as they are the ones responsible.

Look at the data.

Situation in my country. Government lied us about almost everything from last year spring. They scared people on purpose. They abused whole situation to steal public funds. They're changing rules of restrictions based upon their private interest. The restrictions had no effect and still destroying economy of whole country. This is the purpose why antivaxxers exists - the government just lost people's trust. Look at the data? Which one? The one from liers?

I know some people close to me who lives in country, where government choosed different way. They simply don't lie (much) and don't try to steal (much). In that country, the situation is different - the people trust government and trust to vaccines. In our country, we trust nobody, government is an enemy and people get jabs just because of fear.

What about mutations? How will your holy vaccine help there?

60  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Plandemic Survey] I wonder how many of you have been vaccinated ? on: October 05, 2021, 05:38:42 AM
I am not vaccinated. It doesn't seem that it'll have any positive effect to me (lots of vaccinated people still get covid), but can have negative impact. I don't want to get experimental vaccine, such a thing should be well paid job. I don't think my country is rich enough to spend so much money for covid-restrictions and I don't want to participate on destroying life to next generation of our descendants. Our government lied too often about covid to be trusted anymore.
Shit man, are you trying to give me false hope or something?!?
I don't understand about what hope you are talking about. I just typed my reasons why I became anti-vaxxer these days...
I mean I had kind of given up hope that anyone could look at the situation, recognize some of the risks, unknowns, benefits, etc, and come to what I feel to be a common sense conclusion about what is right for them.

Seems like I recall that you might be one of those persons from SE Asia.  It would be especially heartening to me if citizens of these countries are thinking logically because the political leaderships may (or may not) be able to be dragged along toward a position of sanity by the masses.  Else, they are certainly going to be fishing for IMF and World Bank money, and that translates to men with guns will ultimately make sure that all but the top elite get the jab eventually.

Sorry, I'm not from Asia at all, I live in Europe. But I think that it is similar everywhere. Officially the vaxx are voluntary, but government is doing everything to force people to it. There are really big money in it, so I'm not wondering... I think that in Asia it is much worse that in EU, but I am not sure... Because of my opinion I already lost my job. It is not easy these days...



Yes, I got vaccinated. No, not because of disease - I don't fear at all to get covid. During whole year without taking any precautions I didn't got covid. Though, maybe I had it without symptoms, I don't know, I haven't been tested.
Main reason why I took vaccine is because that I want to avoid restrictions. Travelling without requirements to make tests and go into isolation, or simply go into restaurant. And I think that many people took vaccine because of similar reasons, not disease. Many people had to take vaccine because they were forced to do it and didn't had other choice.

Totally undestand your attitude. I personally know lot of people with similar one. But do you realize, that it won't end with one-shot? Soon we will have to go for jab periodically every few months, we will have covidpasses, even more restristions... So you avoid restrictions in short-time, but you did the worst thing in a long-time. If people didn't obey government in every restriction in spring/summer 2020, we can have no restriciotns today. If we obey every government shit today, we do not have less restrictions tommorow.
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