They use (for DICE) client seed + server seed + nonce where only nonce changes, only way to manipulate this is to show wrong result. Unless there is proof they are doing it, it shouldn't be mentioned in this thread at all.
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Apparently he was given 0.08 first, but then they increased it to 0.2BTC. If this was meant to be hush money, perhaps. I think they felt with the guy though (from the conversations I've seen screenshots of).
Such thing doesn't exist in this space. Casino isn't charity organization. There must be specific reason why player was funded with additional 0.12btc, if it was for a bug then everyone else should also receive 0.2btc, if it is because his plinko win was big then something is wrong here. I think if the "correct" outcomes from the OP playing the new game would have resulted in the OP having sufficient funds to make the plinko bets up until he won the jackpot, the entire jackpot should be paid out.
If the above is not the case, the floor the OP should receive is what MadZ suggested above. However there are other considerations that would make me believe the OP should receive more, such as FJ essentially "freerolling" their players, and the possibility that the OP may have made different sized rolls had he had a different bankroll size.
I have to agree with you. Quoted in case one of you or MadZ starts wearing a FortuneJack campaign sig tomorrow. Agree 100% with the above and MadZ's post on the other page. They allowed the freerolling. They don't get to just walk away from that and give me a tenth of the jackpot. They want to argue bug money then I'll argue my deposit. My deposit amount of coins 1000x. That should be considered fair, considering the amount of grief they keep giving me in regards to this godforsaken situation at hand. Lets stop bringing graphs and factors into this no amount of graphing, adding, subtracting, multiplying, or dividing, could ever prove that my money was not mixed in with the bug money at the time of the jackpot. They want to keep arguing I couldn't have made it in one deposit alone. I'll say this. They can't know that this isn't physical currency where you can keep track of which dollar was in play. It's a mixed pool so they could never know if it was all my currency that made that bet or all of FortuneJacks bug money. Only thing we know for certain is that they caused the problem. |
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Apparently he was given 0.08 first, but then they increased it to 0.2 BTC. If this was meant to be hush money, perhaps. I think they felt with the guy though (from the conversations I've seen screenshots of). Agreed. Would be nice to get some official FortuneJack statements though (are you able to ask them to respond?) I can ask David to respond in this thread ASAP, but he works office hours so he won't be here for another 5-6 hours. I know he'll be in here because he's dying to see the communities response. Also I know he's expecting that majority agree with the decision of the casino but pretty upsetting because when he tries that on the FortuneJack thread and people didn't agree he wasn't planning on accepting that answer and still kept using the same damn excuse he is now to refuse the jackpot. |
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Apparently he was given 0.08 first, but then they increased it to 0.2 BTC. If this was meant to be hush money, perhaps. I think they felt with the guy though (from the conversations I've seen screenshots of). [/quote Agreed. Would be nice to get some official FortuneJack statements though (are you able to ask them to respond?) ]I have sleep deprivation waiting for these guys because they're active during the hours of 4 am PST? He doesn't even seem to stick around long either. He just immediately assumes his position doesn't seem to look back. What's more hilarious is he tells us we can contact him anytime but he's always offline. He expects me to twiddle my thumbs and wait around for him when I should be sleeping for my next day of work. |
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Hm, ok... Has everyone else received 0.2 BTC as compensation for Adrenaline bug( not plinko bug) or only you? I don't know also if I am the only one that did receive it that's something they should personally explain. Like I said I told them I wasn't even satisfied with their outcome in the first place. Which led me to question everything they've said to me which is why this thread even exists currently. What really grinds my gears is that they knew of this whole thing in occurrence even before I had assumed my starting play position on Adrenaline. Like the other users have posted why didn't they just freeze the account or disable the game. They're in gross negligence aren't they? I bet you're the only one who got 0.2 BTC because you won the 20 BTC, and they're hoping it will keep you quiet about the larger win. They have a bug bounty program that they've been talking about in their official Discord. It is meant for people to find bugs and get rewarded (They have different sizes of the reward). I highly doubt that this would be anything close to hush money. True, I didn't properly research this. This is the official policy: Small Bugs are awarded 0.02 BTC and include Visual, and Text Bugs; Medium Bugs which will be transactions or incorrect win/bet situations will be rewarded by 0.08 BTC; Large Bugs, the ones that touch Fairness Issue, are most rewarded by the company and are worth of 0.2 Bitcoins. He was given 0.12 BTC more than he should have been given. All other players were given 0.08 BTC: We decided to seize the winnings because of the valid reason, of the first win coming from the bug, you were refunded your deposit and given a bug bounty (like all other players affected by a bug) of 0.08 BTC. Apparently he was given 0.08 first, but then they increased it to 0.2 BTC. If this was meant to be hush money, perhaps. I think they felt with the guy though (from the conversations I've seen screenshots of). yeah judging by everyone's outputs and my own opinion I feel they were trying to just quickly diffuse the situation knowing very well it could turn into something like this very rapidly depending on the person's knowledge of forums and ability to communicate accordingly with others. Idk why they are willing to take it this far though. Also regarding the bug bounties they never addressed it for Adrenaline. Wouldn't it have been in everyones best interest for them to not have allowed the game to continue running during the time the bug took into effect? Doesn't it really seem as is they let people play with money they couldn't withdrawal to prevent the casino from seeing any losses from players who played with the adrenaline bug in effect. I mean all of this seems so convenient to them but inconvenient to the players they claim to put first. |
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Hm, ok... Has everyone else received 0.2 BTC as compensation for Adrenaline bug( not plinko bug) or only you? I don't know also if I am the only one that did receive it that's something they should personally explain. Like I said I told them I wasn't even satisfied with their outcome in the first place. Which led me to question everything they've said to me which is why this thread even exists currently. What really grinds my gears is that they knew of this whole thing in occurrence even before I had assumed my starting play position on Adrenaline. Like the other users have posted why didn't they just freeze the account or disable the game. They're in gross negligence aren't they? |
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Hello everyone thank you all so far for your numerous inputs and countless insights to the current situation that is in front of you. I believe I have a reasonable solution to all this which was in fact suggested by another user. If you could all please read and post +1 if you agree with this as a reasonable solution for both parties or simply - 1 for against.
We have ascertained many facts regarding this case. I had acquired roughly 2 BTC from the bugged money. During the 13 hours within casino grounds however I had not spent more than 0.2 BTC on any slot or casino orientated game and that at best I had not used more no more than 0.209 BTC throughout the whole night. Casino has acknowledged they were slow to respond to the situation which cause this whole mess to occur. Then would it be possible for the casino to agree that if they had given me their bug bounty of 0.2 BTC earlier before I had gotten my way over to the Plinko section. I would have in fact had reached the jackpot with their bug bounty money. I feel this is 99% possible and a very solid solution that would diffuse confusion of whether it was the bugged money at play or indeed my initial deposit. Would the community find this highly agreeable? As stated please comment simply with a +1 for and - 1 against.
Thank you all so far in helping me build my case and helping me reach a resolution with the casino. You guys have all been very helpful. Even the negative ones.
but I wanted it to be a separate post and unique in its own right as a means to end the ongoing problem with the casino in hopes we may all move on to greater things in life. Like taking unexpected shots at Lauda unexpectedly and out of the blue.  The quality of your posts is sharply decreasing. Stop trying to pander to the side that are partially against FJ/Lauda/FJ Sigs and stick to posting facts. Sorry I'm just trying to be a little hopeful seeing as how the solution provided above are based strictly on facts. I'm simply demonstrating a solution where the casino could deem this scenario as something that would have most likely happened, if they had acted upon their initial wrongdoing sooner. I am in no way saying they should not acknowledge what clearly shows their own negligence but, allowing them to save a little face. I have already stated it's almost embarrassing in regards to what the FJ representative David has shown for evidence. Which doesn't even come close to the amount of information I have provided this thread without any hidden logs. I was just trying to lighten the mood on the situation as it has caused a great amount of stress on me, but in no way have I forgotten why I have been forced to start a thread to prove to the casino and it's staff the way they are proceeding regarding my case is highly unprofessional. I advise you not to think so lightly of me that I would for a second forget how hard I have been fighting for this ever since they denied this from me. |
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Actually I read through some archives and they do have some program called a PBA? Which is short for Player Bet Analysis. I'm guessing it gives insight into whether players were betting very erratically as if they had acquired funds through exploits of casino grounds. It's in one of the resolved posts in AskGamblers FortuneJack complaints and mentioned in a staff members response to a player. Prior to that I had no knowledge they had that kind of software for players.
FJ should clarify why this was not caught by this detection system (if it exists/is being used?) or the staff sooner.
Also I'm reminding you again to merge posts. but I wanted it to be a separate post and unique in its own right as a means to end the ongoing problem with the casino in hopes we may all move on to greater things in life. Like taking unexpected shots at Lauda unexpectedly and out of the blue. |
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I don't know if there was more malice behind this, but if FortuneJack knew verusfides was a plinko player and had a good plinko win coming up from his seed, they might have wanted him to win using "fake balance" to avoid paying out a large win.
This seems like a conspiracy theory at best, do you really think they are monitoring players like that? Especially ones who make a 0.009 BTC deposit? Probably not if they aren't even monitoring their own games paying 70 consecutive wins in a row and immediately contacting the effected players. I guess that depends on several factors such as: Do they have a specific system in place that can detect undetected bugs? Did they have the correct personnel available at the time? (They should at all times, but perhaps they didn't at this time, right?) Do they have it as normal protocol to monitor all games at all times? (Like some high tech security center at a vegas casino ((doubt it))). Actually I read through some archives and they do have some program called a PBA? Which is short for Player Bet Analysis. I'm guessing it gives insight into whether players were betting very erratically as if they had acquired funds through exploits of casino grounds. It's in one of the resolved posts in AskGamblers FortuneJack complaints and mentioned in a staff members response to a player. Prior to that I had no knowledge they had that kind of software for players. |
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Hello everyone thank you all so far for your numerous inputs and countless insights to the current situation that is in front of you. I believe I have a reasonable solution to all this which was in fact suggested by another user. If you could all please read and post +1 if you agree with this as a reasonable solution for both parties or simply - 1 for against.
We have ascertained many facts regarding this case. I had acquired roughly 2 BTC from the bugged money. During the 13 hours within casino grounds however I had not spent more than 0.2 BTC on any slot or casino orientated game and that at best I had not used more no more than 0.209 BTC throughout the whole night. Casino has acknowledged they were slow to respond to the situation which cause this whole mess to occur. Then would it be possible for the casino to agree that if they had given me their bug bounty of 0.2 BTC earlier before I had gotten my way over to the Plinko section. I would have in fact had reached the jackpot with their bug bounty money. I feel this is 99% possible and a very solid solution that would diffuse confusion of whether it was the bugged money at play or indeed my initial deposit. Would the community find this highly agreeable? As stated please comment simply with a +1 for and - 1 against.
Thank you all so far in helping me build my case and helping me reach a resolution with the casino. You guys have all been very helpful. Even the negative ones.
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they knew of this situation hours before hand and that they were well aware of the game causing this problem.
if they knew that the game had an error and kept it open then its all their fault and they have to pay. Which is why I have been so adamant and relentless thus far in my attempt to request they refund my jackpot. |
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My whole problem would be the fact he was allowed to play for apparently 13 hours.
Timezone also plays a role. They seem to be mostly around during the 8 to 5 workday (Curacao time). 1- why did you wait all this long to post on scam accusation, and if you were 100% sure you are right, why did you accept a compensation of 0.2btc only?
Apparently he gambled away his bug bounty. Unless something else was meant with the 'lost' statement by FJ. 2- if you were so sure this player was abusing a bug on your system, why did you have to compensate him + give him his deposit back?
Good question. Although they seem to have some sort of bug bounty, I wouldn't award anything to an abuser. So was this game Adrenaline possible to lose at? Or could you only win. Surely there are safeguards that would trigger and alert somebody that there is somethin irregular happening in a game.
Apparently it bugged out at some point which led to 70 consecutive wins. At some point of the game, severe bug affected the play of some players online at that very moment. This is the moment when player Verusfides set auto cash out on 60. As you see from his bet history game starts to bug, and every bet turns out to be won and player suddenly after realizing this firstly doubles the bet and continues to play the bugged game and after 20 minutes or so raises auto cash out from 60 to 200 continuing to stream money from the bugged game. As you see in history, every single bet is won, and I am talking about 70 consecutive bets.
What would happen if you were in a real casino and knew a slot machine was broken in such a way that the casino no longer had the edge, and the casino didn't happen to know that. You use the broken machine to win some money that you later bet on the blackjack table--and you win big there. Should the casino honor any of your bets? I really don't know the rules, but it seems sketchy on the gambler's part in that case, because he knows he's playing a broken machine. Sure you could say, "Well, that's not my problem, it's the casino's" but that doesn't sound right to me.
Stripped away from all winnings and possibly get kicked out. Similar to the people that try cheating in other ways. See this is another problem I'm having with the way he's telling the story to people. The story he told me had me convinced they knew of this situation hours before hand and that they were well aware of the game causing this problem. |
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I have not gone into much details of your problem, i don't know if you got scammed or trying to scam but I skimmed real fast though the comments and here is a thing you should know
- You still reserve the right to file a lawsuit even after accepting compensation as long as you have not signed a legal agreement that forbids you from suing them for the exact same case , if you signed on something like that, then it's game over, if not ! then you can still demand your 20btc + compensation.
depending on the proof / judge and what law-zone the website is obligated to follow your chances of winning the case can very from guaranteed to nothing.
20BTC is a lot of money, call a lawyer and seek advice, but keep in mind if you are attempting to b.s and they can prove anything against you, you can be in deep shit too.
however there are two things i find "funny" from both of you
This goes to you .
1- why did you wait all this long to post on scam accusation, and if you were 100% sure you are right, why did you accept a compensation of 0.2btc only?
This goes to FortuneJack
2- if you were so sure this player was abusing a bug on your system, why did you have to compensate him + give him his deposit back?
I was told no matter what they couldn't do anything more for me regarding the situation at the time. I kept pushing which is why we're here now also it's because the original post was started on their thread page and I was suggested by another user to come here and I sought this page as a way of expanding my case and get more awareness from other users and not just from the users of the FortuneJack web page. Original post can be found here starts at I believe page 305 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774929.6160 |
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Why was the player allowed to keep playing?
Either incompetence or because they thought he would lose eventually and they wanted to keep his money Possibly correct. We prob wouldn't be discussing this had there not been a large jackpot won. I got to that conclusion as well and that would fall under their negligence would it not? |
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If the OP would have been issued the bug bounty from his encounter from the new game, he could have used that money to play the 2nd game and win the jackpot.
I don’t see any reason why the new game being buggy would affect the OPs ability to win the jackpot.
I am not surprised to see certain people wearing a FJ signature defending FJ, even though they have taken an opposite stance in similar situations in the past.
Jesus Christ finally someone that thinks with some logic. |
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Admit that you don't deserve the 20 BTC. As far as I can understand the issue, you:
-saw a new game introduced
-then saw a bug bounty for it
-then played the game
-then you notice that you're repeatedly winning it
-then instead of reporting the bug, you continued to play the game repeatedly for a number of hours
-then you think that you deserve the win
LOL
sigh I hate the fact that I have to repost this story every God damn time one of these comes along. Hopefully this clears it for you and the next 5 clones exactly like you assuming exactly the same thing. Hello, someone on BTCointalk said that I should inquire to you about a problem I have recently had with FJ if you could please take a look. Hello FortuneJack community my username is < username removed > on the website known popularly as fortunejack.com. I am coming to you today as a recent player on it's website who has not been paid my earnings and have been robbed because of a bug which occured on one of there games. Below is a full break down of the events that have occurred. (TL;DR below) Yesterday, I had made a small deposit to FortuneJack. They had recently sent me a notifcation asking to try a new game and I was intrigued. During the game I had accrued some amount of funds roughly amounting 2 BTC. I, in my belief was that I had acquired these winnings fairly without any fraudulent or illegal play. Later I try to make a small withdrawal of roughly a quarter of my winnings around .45 BTC, which then said was undergoing review. I thought everything was fine up till this point. This is where it gets interesting. As the night progresses, I am still on the site gambling for nearly 8 hours, eventually heading over to there plinko page. I keep playing and playing and then the jackpot hit. You should understand I was literally speechless when this happened. It was a payout of 20 BTC. About 15 minutes later however, all the funds in my account were subtracted and later they had claimed that my winnings on Adrenaline were obtained due to a bug, and that they therefore would have to penalize ALL the money I acquired. Clearly this is unjustifiable. Even if the winnings I won in Adrenaline were from a bug. I had been on the casino website for nearly 8 hours. I am sure I have wagered over 10000x my initial deposit. Even if the casino were to claim that I won a small amount from a bug, the plinko bet was won fair and square. They even know this because they have nothing to say about it, but simply because of the Adrenaline game which THEY advertised me to play, they are refusing my winnings. I am coming to the community here today to see what they have to say about this. I am being robbed for playing a game they had suggested to me? TL;DR Won a total of 22 BTC -20 from Plinko jackpot 1000x and 2 from Adrenaline. Fortunejack siezed all earnings claiming a bug from the game Adrenaline which was advertised by them |
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nobody likes liars/conspiracy loons.
Says the biggest liar & scammer on the forum Nothing new to see here. Another Fortune Jack scam and their paid shills defending them. Lol dang, think there's people out to get you Lauda. Is this the conspiracy I've been warned about?! |
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Also btw, I'm pretty sure he's asking the people with signatures to respond to the forums. I haven't asked anyone to defend or represent me.
FJ has not asked me to do anything, ever IIRC. I think I found it either randomly looking at the section or by looking through the post history of the troll Butterscotch Cartman; can't remember anymore. The people that are defending me are just random passerbys who obviously see the poor state in which you guys are assuming your position so I have a majority favor of unbiased people who don't agree with FortuneJack, where as FortuneJack has... it's affiliates. Really looking good there boys. Keep it up.
I'm not a FJ affiliate and I would strongly advise you against making false accusations of collusion as that will: 1) Kill your case. 2) Kill your reputation. This wouldn't be the first time that it backfired on someone; nobody likes liars/conspiracy loons. Also is that advice you're giving to David? Because I think he really needed to hear that from someone I just didn't want to be the one to say it. |
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Also btw, I'm pretty sure he's asking the people with signatures to respond to the forums. I haven't asked anyone to defend or represent me.
FJ has not asked me to do anything, ever IIRC. I think I found it either randomly looking at the section or by looking through the post history of the troll Butterscotch Cartman; can't remember anymore. The people that are defending me are just random passerbys who obviously see the poor state in which you guys are assuming your position so I have a majority favor of unbiased people who don't agree with FortuneJack, where as FortuneJack has... it's affiliates. Really looking good there boys. Keep it up.
I'm not a FJ affiliate and I would strongly advise you against making false accusations of collusion as that will: 1) Kill your case. 2) Kill your reputation. Nobody likes liars. Whoa poncho relax I didn't say you, but makes you wonder what made you jump to that conclusion on your own when I never brought up any names. *thinking* |
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If you take a compensation (in this case a bug bounty), you are legally entitled to nothing.
This is my current opinion on bugs and compensations and we can leave it at that. Of course it is... Considering it is the exact opposite response you would and have had if/when you weren't wearing their signature. Funny how your ethics depend on whether or not you're paid by the offender. Your word is meaningless and your opinions clouded by greed. This is yet another example of why you belong nowhere near any sort of position of trust. You really need to stop spreading unecessary lies and derailing the thread. Thanks. You really need to stop being tied to scams. Literally everything you touch turns into a scam. ICOs you escrow, signatures you wear, somehow people always end up having their money stolen, and it always seems to not be your fault, then it happens again. Lol, shots fired. |
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