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41  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Church of Bitcoin on: August 24, 2017, 03:32:49 AM
Any chance of the church accepting other coins for donations? I know the main objective of the church is to push the bitcoin agenda but these bitcoin transaction fees are too high for some of us. Please do consider my suggestion Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

At this time, we do not intend to accept altcoin donations, but we leave that possibility open as a future development.


[1]So, what community outreach/ charity do you plan on providing, given that you are a church? Thus would be the good faith reason that you would be rewarded a tax exempted status by the government. [2]What benefits do you provide to members besides a t shirt? [3]And what is the allocation/budget for the donated funds you receive? How much salary does OP collect from said donations?

[4]I will go out on a limb and say that your potential for abuse is markedly greater than your potential for amelioration.

[5]And I'll bite, I am in genuine need of funds (I could argue this point with rhetoric all day). How do I receive alms/ a donation from your charitable organization?

Be careful...

[1]We plan on educating the community about bitcoin and public-key cryptography, and spreading the word about our belief system.

[2]Member benefits are currently very limited, but we hope to provide more benefits to our members in the future, as we grow in size.

[3]Allocation of funds/budget will be carefully managed. Currently, the only bitcoin that has left our donation address was a $20 deposit to a namecheap account to secure our domain name for the next several years. Our web developers and our website host have so far donated their time to the project, but if donations reach substantial levels, they may be compensated retroactively for the time that they have contributed. I, Henry Romp, have not received any salary from the Church, and do not plan to do so at this time, though if appropriate at some future date, I may choose to do so. The donation address was "seeded" by me, with an initial contribution of $100, intended to cover the cost of launch; however, registering as a nonprofit in the state of Vermont will cost $125, so I will either need to contribute more myself, or raise more donations to do so; that is the next planned expense.

[4]While I can see the potential for abuse that you are speaking of, we are sincere in our beliefs and this project is in good faith.

[5]At this time we are not making donations to individuals or other organizations, because the donations we have received are not yet covering our basic expenses as an organization. As the donations we receive grow, we may do so in the future, but at this time our donations have not yet paid even for the registration fee to register our church with the state, so that future may be some time coming.


I would advise writing your own scriptures based on what Satoshi wrote in different areas.
Using the Whitepaper as a form of scripture will lead to major issues later, for your Church.

For example, the Whitepaper does not outline most of the aspects that exist within Bitcoin.
Though the paper was written as a possible answer to the puzzle of online currency, it was
actually programmed to be a form of E-Gold in reality, which is the basis for a possible
E-cash in time. Most people ignore that and cite the Whitepaper as proof that Bitcoin is
supposed to be an E-Cash by a few phrases within it, but ignore that Satoshi contradicted
those terms and phrases with his choices of rules and programming with the first software
client.

If you hold the Whitepaper to a form of "scripture", or the "first scripture", you will be held
to types of teachings that were never valid, even from day one of the real world
implementation. Though he said E-Cash, he programmed E-Gold. He assumed that by basing
a currency on Gold in conjunction with technological advances and the internet, it could be
possible to make a more advanced form of "Cash". That was it. Bitcoin is E-Gold with properties
that are like Cash, but it was not specifically programmed to be E-Cash. The blockchain system
actually prevents E-Cash from manifesting naturally without non-network systems intervention.
The blockchain system is an E-Gold facilitation mechanism first.

So, I would advise citing the Whitepaper as an important historical document for your Church,
but it should not be relied upon as the "supreme truth". The reality was that the Whitepaper
was Satoshi's attempt to get other people to seriously perform peer review of his solution.
So Bitcoin is like and could be an E-Cash, but only because it was programmed to be E-Gold.
His hope was that a currency or "cash" could come about from its programmed "gold" like
properties over time with technological advances still following the prior trajectories.

The truth is that Satoshi himself did not follow his own "Whitepaper's blueprints". So, when
the different groups within Bitcoin today fight and blame each other about different aspects
of the system and the direction it is or may be going into, they ignore that Satoshi didn't
even strictly follow the Whitepaper himself. So again, I advise you to base your Church
on Satoshi's higher end goals and beliefs and not the superficialities of terms and phrases.

Satoshi actually started something much greater than a working E-Cash or E-Gold.
The Whitepaper does not outline nor specify the more interesting aspects of this
system type that we participate in. Your Church should not worship Mammon.

It looks like you may disagree with some of our core vision. While you raise some interesting points, the whitepaper is our core document, and Satoshi Nakamoto is our prophet. His words and code may not have always been 100% consistent (as you'll find in the scripture of many other religions) but we stand by our original statements about them.

In cases where the whitepaper conflicts with later statements or code written by Satoshi Nakamoto, we would try our best to reconcile these differences by understanding that Satoshi is the prophet and was clarifying or rectifying His original statements, and would in most cases consider more recent statements to supersede the original statements  in the whitepaper. Our core document is the whitepaper, as stated, however, our Bible is still being developed, and will likely include most of Satoshi's recorded statements, as well as other testaments and other gospel. The research and development of the Bible of the Church of Bitcoin is already underway and when complete, we intend to print copies of our holy book.

If you look at other religions, you will find that most do not claim that their bible is literally the words of their god; most bibles are collections of writings by prophets and testaments by individuals telling their stories, that relay information handed down from god, or show through events how their god showed himself. We feel that this situation is similar. Satoshi Nakamoto is our prophet, but our bible may not be limited to his words alone.

If you would like to be involved in the editing and selection of the documents in our scripture, please join the church and verify your membership first, and come speak with us in our IRC channel on freenode at #churchofbitcoin , and we may consider your suggestions and inputs.


Dear HenryRomp,

What state are you in ? Can you give me a call ?
The website doesn't work right now.

We have been working in New York about incorporating a Church.
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010350.html

We have been looking at this but the requirement are different. The incorporation of a religious entity is done in the court.
http://eric.ndpny.org/incorporating-as-a-non-profit-religious-organization-in-new-york

Regards,
Theo CHINO
http://AbolishTheBitlicense.org
https://twitter.com/AbolishBtLicnse


Theo CHINO,

Thanks for your interest and for stopping by the IRC channel,
We can continue this conversation by email at henry@churchofbitcoin.org , but here publicly I would like to mention that your questions reminded me that we do hope to establish a presence in other states in the future, and have only begun in Vermont because I as the founder am located here.


Hi Henry,
I'm an atheist but I would totally join the Church of Bitcoin. lol what an enlightenment.  Grin

H kyatir,

If you believe that Satoshi Nakamoto brought us word of the blockchain, and you believe that the blockchain itself is an embodiment of a higher power, than I would not describe you as an athiest; however, even if you describe yourself as an athiest, I welcome you to join our church and hear more of the good word, and I think that many former athiests may join us in the future. I myself was raised as an athiest, but also spent a significant amount of time attending church a little later in my youth, and my beliefs have evolved over time. I hope yours continue to develop and that we may influence that development.

Please come join our member list, and please stop by our IRC channel for our Sunday morning service at 11am EST.

Thank you,

Henry
42  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Church of Bitcoin on: August 21, 2017, 03:49:19 AM
Y'all are looking at something way out of date -- see http://churchofbitcoin.org
43  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Church of Bitcoin on: August 16, 2017, 06:18:25 AM
Well, thanks for the feedback and commentary.

We are a sincere group of believers, and we equate our belief in the scripture (the whitepaper) by our prophet (Satoshi Nakomoto) and our living god (who is embodied in the blockchain itself) to the beliefs held by more traditional religions and religious groups.

The website is undergoing some major construction and should be ready to accept members in an automated manner shortly.

We will allow members to join without a satoshi donation, however to become a verified contributing member you will need to send the symbolic satoshi.

The wonderful donations of time and energy by a couple of really good developers is going to result in a very smooth seamless experience on the website in a few days. In the meantime, you can still join by emailing info@churchofbitcoin.org .

Thanks for your interest!
44  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRE - ICO] PROVIDE: DECENTRALIZED RIDE SHARING on: August 10, 2017, 12:45:31 PM
Where are you planning to focus the launch? Is this going to be primarily in the USA or also in other countries?
45  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRE - ICO] PROVIDE: DECENTRALIZED RIDE SHARING on: August 10, 2017, 04:12:08 AM
So why do you guys need to have PRVD tokens for this to work? Couldn't you make a decentralized Uber type system that is powered by bitcoin transactions instead of making a new token?
46  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRE - ICO] PROVIDE: DECENTRALIZED RIDE SHARING on: August 08, 2017, 09:45:53 PM
Will PRVD be a standalone token, or will it be on the Ethereum network? What geographical area are you planning to launch the project in?

Looking forward to seeing more information about this...
47  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRE - ICO] PROVIDE: DECENTRALIZED RIDE SHARING on: August 08, 2017, 05:07:24 AM
I've been talking about this for the longest time! It needs to happen! Uber but without the uber. Direct p2p.
48  Bitcoin / Legal / Church of Bitcoin on: August 07, 2017, 01:51:43 PM
Hello there,

I am founding the Church of Bitcoin today on August 7th, 2017.

There have been past projects of the same name, but most were intended as satire, or abandoned after some time. This one is sincere. Our home page is http://www.churchofbitcoin.org and we are welcoming new members.

We will be filing as a 501(c)3 and seeking tax-exempt status as a religion.

Our scripture and other details will be available on our website.

To join our church, a bitcoin transaction of at least one satoshi is required. A one-time payment of one satoshi guarantees lifetime membership in the Church of Bitcoin. You will also be asked to provide your real name and contact information; a home address is not necessary but a valid email will be required.

In the future, we will have packages available with benefits such as t-shirts, patches, etc. for contributing members.

For more information, see our website or contact me, our founder, Henry Romp, at henry@churchofbitcoin.org
49  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Cointracking.info alternatives? on: July 04, 2017, 03:02:40 AM
I also am interested if there are any free alternatives that are similar, or even any good resources for learning how to calculate things like realized and unrealized gains/losses from the spreadsheet of data (I use Gemini).
50  Economy / Goods / Motorcycle Parts & Accessories on: October 27, 2014, 08:53:09 AM
Hello there folks,

I'm Henry Romp, parts & service manager at Metropolitan Motorbikes in Weehawken NJ. We're accepting bitcoin for all of our products. You can check out our website at Metrobiker.com, though for the moment any bitcoin orders will have to be processed through email as we haven't yet added a bitcoin payment option to our website.

In addition to the small selection of parts and accessories shown on our website,  we specialize in sourcing out-of-production, vintage,  new-old-stock, and other hard-to-find parts.

We have access to over 600,000 SKU'S ready to ship from our location next-business-day through our two major distributors, Parts Unlimited and Western Powersports. We also have lower-than-dealer pricing on all OEM Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, and Yamaha parts. We can also source vintage British parts for Triumph,  Norton,  and BSA.

For any inquiries, call us at 201-223-4344 and ask for Henry, or drop an email to metrobikerparts@gmail.com

Thanks!

-Henry
51  Economy / Lending / [removed] on: August 26, 2014, 03:53:02 AM
Removed content due to embarrassment.
52  Economy / Lending / [removed] on: August 24, 2014, 04:33:36 PM
This post was such an embarrassment and so I've removed the content.
53  Economy / Lending / [removed] on: August 23, 2014, 05:05:29 AM
This post was an embarrassment and so I've edited it to delete the content.

-Henry Romp
54  Economy / Service Discussion / Stateless Sweets -- Resolved on: March 16, 2014, 11:02:30 PM
I reached out to them on their facebook page and receive a full refund in bitcoin. Thanks!
55  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My 9-year-old nephew is now into bitcoin on: March 16, 2014, 03:43:36 PM
Just when I thought I've seen it all, along comes another one. When will it end? When will it end? I guess it'll never end, but at least I've learnt to read through most of them coming here and tricking us outta our precious. Well, buddy! I for one won't be tricked. And that goes double for you and your I-bet-that's-your-nephew.

I bet you expected somebody to just come along and double what you seeded your nephew's(?) account with, eh? Well, I'm here to show you a thing or two: https://blockchain.info/address/18eABNYAEdAk1e2TaGupgpk9NDGLHPuRBN

~TMIBTCITW

You just doubled what I seeded his account with, didn't you? Smiley nice guy
56  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My 9-year-old nephew is now into bitcoin on: March 16, 2014, 03:41:10 PM
disgraceful!
even with 0 BTC balance I would never beg!

who's begging?

I will assume you are intelligent enough to see that for yourself - there is only 1 page plus a bit on page 2..?

Yep! The oldest trick in the book--use your nine-year-old nephew to garner bitcoins. Daddy Goat didn't raise no fool.

Y'all are jerks. I don't even have the password to his blockchain wallet. But whatever, I knew I'd get that reaction, I just didn't care, and wanted to share my joy. He was really excited to see that his picture was on bitcointalk and that people were talking about how cool it is for a 9-year-old to have his own bitcoins.
57  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Stateless Sweets -- Not replying to communication on: March 16, 2014, 03:37:10 PM
It's just a real shame. I thought I was doing business with an agorist who shared my political perspective and world-view and so I had great confidence that she would conduct herself honorably. I'm left with a bad taste in my mouth.
58  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Stateless Sweets -- Not replying to communication on: March 04, 2014, 11:34:27 PM
Just a brief update--still no communication from Stateless Sweets, almost a full month has passed now since the order was placed, no refund, no communication.

59  Economy / Service Discussion / Stateless Sweets -- Resolved on: March 02, 2014, 07:28:53 PM
[EDIT] Fully resolved, reached out to them on their facebook page and received a full refund in bitcoin [/EDIT]


From statelesssweets@yahoo.com at 9:00pm on Feb. 9th 2014:

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Hi Henry,

Thank you for your order. I've been struggling this past week attempting to complete orders for Stateless Sweets, balance home life, and keep up with my position at a precious metals company. I'm shutting down my shop for a bit as life is too busy right now to find joy in making candy.

I'll let all of my customers' know when I start to accept orders again as I'm sure I'll find balance again soon.

I'll need to refund you via check or paypal as I use a payment processor who converts this to mostly USD for me. Please let me know where to send this and if you have any questions or concerns.

 
Thank you,

Jillian
http://www.statelesssweets.com
http://www.facebook.com/statelesssweets
https://twitter.com/StatelessSweets



My reply, Feb 10th 10:44PM:

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Oh! That's terribly unfortunate. I love your site and the whole concept and it looked like fantastic product.

I normally would be happy to accept a refund in any form but unfortunately I don't have access to normal banking services and am unable to open a PayPal account. If there's any possible way for a refund to be issued in Bitcoin I would be extremely grateful.

It's not only the unfortunate situation that I'm actually unable to have a bank account or PayPal, but also a matter of principle. I despise PayPal and banks and the state and would not like to participate in transactions involving USD if at all possible.

Furthermore, I'm concerned about potential confusion, as I did not pay you a certain number of dollars, I paid a certain amount of Bitcoin. If this were a situation where i was requesting a refund way down the line, it might make sense to calculate your refund based on the dollar price you're pegging your items to. But considering that this is a case in which you are canceling my order, I think it would be appropriate to have sent the Bitcoin back before converting it to US dollars.

I'm hopeful that your payment processor can likely take care if this for you if you call them up.

I am terribly sorry for any inconvenience caused by my inability to accept check or PayPal.

Please see if there's any way that a Bitcoin refund could be possible.

Thanks,

- Henry Romp


Following up on Feb 12th at 2:04AM:
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Hello Jillian,

I just wanted to be clear that this is not a matter of penny-pinching. I'm not concerned about losing a few dollars because of the exchange rate fluctuations. It's a matter of principle in that I don't think I should be inconvenienced by the fact that you converted my bitcoin into USD.

I would be willing to accept a bitcoin refund based on current exchange rates if that is the issue for you; though I really feel that I should receive the same quantity of coins that I sent to you, the major issue for me is that I don't want and am not in a position to accept US dollars.

I'd further mention that because of this mixup, I'm unable to purchase a Valentines gift for my mother, something I've done every year without fail for a long while now. I don't have much money and the little I have is all tied up, and I've been unable to come up with enough money to place a new order elsewhere while I wait for you to issue a refund.

I'm not trying to be difficult here, I really apologize for any inconvenience I may be causing you, but I feel it is only proper that I should explain exactly how inconvenienced I have been by this situation.

Even if you issued a refund by tomorrow morning, it is already too late for me to get an order processed and get my mother her valentine's day gift, and it's really put me into an unpleasant state of mind.

I really would appreciate anything you can do.

Thanks,

Henry


February 18th 8:31PM:
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Hello,

I am eagerly awaiting any sort of response. Please don't leave me hanging.

Thank you.



February 21st 1:44AM:
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It has been quite a while. I understand that you're busy, but even a brief reply would go a long way towards reassuring me that I'm dealing with an honorable person.

9 days later, it is now March 2nd, and I have yet to receive a reply.

I am quite disappointed.
60  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BREAKING NEWS: Multiple Exchanges Affected - Possible Global Shutdown on: February 12, 2014, 05:09:03 AM
Holy crap, everybody sell now or say goodbye to your life savings

I would go out on a limb and say that most of the people here don't have their life savings in their bitcoin wallets lol

If anybody does, this forum's likely where you'll find them.
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