It's a KNOWN-KNOWN people are always BASHING (BTG) alt-shit coins for PRE-MINE, but tell them ETHEREUM has the largest PRE-MINE in ALT-History, and they change the subject.

Yep, there are many 'better' crypto's than ETH,

ETHASH sucks, and the script language for ETH sucks, they're so called "Smart Contracts" are DUMB.

It just goes to show U what good CORPORATE marketing can accomplish, like IOTA, another similar project.

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Personally I'm fond of BITCOIN-Z, an alt home-grown from this forum with zero percent influence by the corporate fascists who rule the world.

Somebody here needs to add 'smarter contracts' to BITCON-Z, and have it compete with ETH, essentially its BITCOIN-GOLD(BTCZ) NOW, just missing the smart contract.

I'm sure some DEV of BTC-Z could slide some code from Komodo?

There MUST be two main currencies

1.) For poor people to transact

2.) For rich people to preserve their wealth, and for poor to have a place to save.

Trying to have BITCOIN to be the 'free size' the one shoe that fit's them all in a mission of fools, or GOV control freaks.

Rich need a PRIVATE place to keep money,

So far there is ONLY one private crypto, and that be MONERO, but it has issues with weak ECDSA where NSA could potentially analyze transactions.


Everybody keeps their head in the sand pretending this doesn't matter,

BITCOIN keeps getting BIGGER but never solves the PRIVACY problem

It's almost like ONE WORLD GOV is running BITCOIN, so that they can have all transaction be a public record and control and monitor everybody, and everybody is going along, cuz they're getting 'rich'

BITCOIN will always be a RICH MANS coin.

The average american don't have $500 USD in bank

The average BITCOIN account is 0.05, which is about $300

The cost of transaction say $5, to send $10, BITCOIN will NEVER be a casual transaction currency.

Everywhere on EARTH the POOR use their mobile phones as money, they send phone-credit pay their bills,

The correct way to look at your problem is to integrate the phone-credit system at low fee to the end user in third world

BITCOIN is currency of the RICH, and the RICH don't want anybody to KNOW THEIR BALANCE.

I think YOUR RIGHT, most people don't care about PRIVACY, its NOT IMPORTANT to you, but POOR PEOPLE are not who drives up the price ( your only goal ) its the rich, and the rich will not adopt BITOCIN to the moon, until it can give them REAL PRIVACY.

Now GOV can follow transcation 24/7 on everybody, and U say "ITS NOT IMPORTANT", not to pick on you, but its the MOST IMPORTANT PROBLEM

Trying to USE BTC to PURCHASE CONDOM's in INDIA is a FOOLS Mission

India/Africa a condom costs more than the woman, these are micro-transactions and BITCOIN is a rich mans coin.

Perhaps what needs to be Done is more PRUNING, and focus on Satoshi's which are worth micro penny's then BITCOIN would be manageable by the poor, but SERIOUSLY why must every transaction ( purchasing condoms ) on earth be ran through one central block-chain? That sounds to me like an ORWELLIAN WetDream.

Just lies, most of the urban myths on this forum are lies.

MINING is just fine in CHINA, but FREE POWER to the politically connected cannot last, people will not tolerate this

What CHINA banned in August 2017,  was shitting tokens and alt-coins being sold to grand-mas as investment, so the assholes moved all this shit to Russia & Bulgaria,

Mining is just fine in CHINA,

But like on these forums, most ppl prefer to trade coin at auction sites or gambling sites, most people don't mine, cuz its too much work

Mining is a hobby, everywhere

Only people with free power and early access to BITMAIN's newest miners make the big money, the well connected elite.



Lot's of new hydro-dams in CHINA, some of the power isn't even used yet, like their empty city's, but eventually very soon,  the price of power will sky-rocket in CHINA

It still takes 20 barrels of OIL equivalent to mine a BITCOIN, a tremendous about of energy

CHINA is a paternal society, they don't like to see the weak exploited by the assholes, its the job of GOV to protect people from asshole exchanges selling shitting alt-coin/token to grandma

IN USA fucking the people is all good, the corporations run the GOV.

wow nobody, nada want to defend ETH??

There must be somebody that can defend their business model??

GREAT COMMENTS, I agree 100% however, we just saw BITCOIN-GOLD come&go, U know GPU mining of BITCOIN (NIVIDIA/AMD)

Do U think NVIDIA will sell SHA256 miners? Hell SHA256 only has a few more years, we'll need to go SHA-3 (512) sooner as NSA will be be breaking SHA-256 in 5 years.

Perhaps the Chinese will lose control, but their lead is so strong, and nobody seems to be trying to kick out BITMAIN as ASIC leader,

U say BITCOIN will remain, but still SHA? Then still ASIC, I infer from first reading that algo will go GPU friendly, but then why did the recent JACK-LIAO ( CHINA-ASIC) "BITCOIN GOLD/GPU" why the epic failure?

No serious investment in team, or software, just a big joke, a scam. When are we going to see a serious team step forward and offer a BITCOIN that is NVIDIA friendly? U say its going that direction, but HOW?

U think the CRYPTO guts will get pulled out of the existing BITCOIN in coming years? HOW the community get even agree on block-chain size, how in the hell can they agree on mining algo, or hash algo?

When LBO ( large bitcoin collider ) starts busting peoples accounts, say 5 years, how long will "CORE" set on their thumbs before they upgrade the crypto to SHA-3?

What have retards be DEV's?? No credibility that ASIC MINING wanted a REAL GPU miner for BITCOIN.

BTC is still an ALT, its still in TESTNET after 8 years, ppl are still feeling it out,

It's a pyramid with BTC at the top, and +2,000 other crypto's trying to crawl up, will BTC get knocked off the top to be replaced by a shit-coin? Probably not, not from what we have seen so far, the competition is usually centralized an ran by GOV GOONS, or Proxy's. Even Monero is known to have weak ECDSA integers (NSA), and its the only coin that comes close to privacy.

BIGGEST PROBLEM today for BTC is making it ANONYMOUS,

 the ALT that can resolve the ANONYMITY problem, or most likely piggy-back BTC could be king, but so far, mixers and all have failed

The best people don't even seem to be working on this problem, there are more people working on transaction analysis, than there are people trying to make the transactions invisible.

Because finding RICH PPL and lawyers/GOV stealing their money is MORE profitable than developing the next BITCOIN (ALT)

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Anybody have an opinion? Anybody care?

I know its just about making money, but that is only a concern of people that don't have any money,

Once you have money, once you are rich, then U become concerned with KEEPING YOUR MONEY.

Problem now is that the majority are day-traders, just following volatility cycles and not thinking about the end-game.

U know most people here don't care about reality or facts? U know that right?

FUD rules, somebody probably team BCH/BTG ( china owned ) wants to create FUD, wants people to question BITCOIN, too bad most people can't see reality.

China wants to CONTROL the BITCOIN-BRAND, ,they have the miners, they have the CONSENSUS, but they don't own the BRAND and they KNOW-IT

A handful of Chinese billionaires plot 24/7 to grab 100% control of BITCOIN, Bill Gates say's its not possible, but Chinese are more greedy, and thus less realistic, and not know their own limitations.

Sun Tzu said KNOW yourself, Know your enemy and you shall win 10,000 battles.

I think that the chinese billionaires think the western-white's are morons, they under-estimate their enemy.

BTG is proof of this they hired IDIOTS to bring out BTG, perhaps next time they'll get a better team for their next BITCOIN-KILLER.

Earlier I saw HITBTC @ $130 near the all time low for the futures trading, now its back up to $140,

WHO IS BUYING THIS BITCH?

There should only be sellers?

R the same fucks that brought us BCH, and kept that bitch alive, R they now trying to create street credibility for BTG?

Me thinks that there are WHALES, but most likely connected to Jack Liao, remember they want to SELL that 8000 block ( 100k coins ) PRE-MINE, they probably got professional market makers in there getting a run up, so they can dispose, can't imagines any dev's going to hold? Can U?

DEVS have not responded to shit on GITHUB now 2+ days its clear the CODE has been abandoned

It wasn't a fork, it was a fuck, ( some are calling it a snap-shot; reality is-was it was just another fucking bitcoin-clone that appended onto the existing blockchain )

ALL ALT's are BTC clones, thus there are +2,000 bastard children of BTC floating around

BTG BITCOIN-GOLD somebody just took the source, added zcash POW, and recompiled, ,then they modified the block-chain to be 2MB rather than 1MB, which made the user have to recompute the entire chain, most ppl like BTC-Z start from scratch a new light weight block-chain

BTG was a kluster-fuck, but brilliant marketing & PR by RUSSIAN/CHINESE MAFIA

The BTG-DEVS have been NO WHERE to be seen 2+ days

There is no communtiy, and NOBODY maintaining this shitty code.

github.com/btcgpu

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the real bitcoin-gold is here its called bitcoin-z ( btcz ) and it works, and its cheap @ 20 satoshi, but right now its a top miner, you can fetch +$10/day on a normal 1060 rig

right now mining BTG will get about $7/day, but dropping like a rock

U found a block?? btg.suprnova.cc is find blocks every ten minutes 24-7

how many miners do u have?  what is your aggregrate hash-power?

I note today that difficulty is down to 3.2M, it was up to 7M at the high,

Now a 1060 class rig running 2k sols/sec, will fetch u about $8/day before electricity,

Not worth to mine, in terms of ROI

Do U all know that BTC-Z ( the real bitcoin-gold ) is now paying out almost $10/day for same machine??

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price for BTG is now down to prior low of $130, and everybody who got free is selling, there are no buyers

Whales? Why would a whale buy BTG? Knowing that 8,000 (PREMINE) were going to be dumped very soon?

Wouldn't the entry for whales to play their game, be later when the price is $1??

Anarchists HATE control freaks, and ETH  is the coin of control freaks, aka GOV "CORPORATE FASCISM"

Satohsi was an anarchist, so would satoish approve of ETH? NO, hell no.

PPL like to talk much about ETH, but lets be honest, its boring to mine, the z's pay out better,

ETH is centralized just the other day the man-child said he was going to 'tax tokens" to destroy them,

Say what the man-child "BUTTERIN" can issue new code any time he wishes to TAX tokens that offend him or are not politically correct? Because he feels there is too much gambling, and maybe after hour drinking, or worse yet somebody might be smoking a joint paid in 'ETH-TOKEN-SHIT"

CRYPT's like BTC are decentralized, ..

ETHEREUM is a corporate funded, corporate MACHINE, and that's why it will NEVER be adopted by the ANARCHISTS who invented CRYPTO ( satoshi ).

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But wait there's MORE

ETHASH ( mining algo for ETH ) is terrible, just blatantly a scam to get people to always upgrade their GPUS

"proof of stake" is a PONZI, POW is great idea, little people mine coin on their CPU idle time, like SETI +20 years ago, but "POS" ( not to be confused with piece of shit ), is a notion where the RICH pay an entrance fee to BUTTERIN to play, so POS should be called "Pay 2 PLay", again its a PONZI scam.

Been said before, but can be said again the script language for ETH is BULLSHIT, goes to show what happens when a man-child still wearing htlm/javascript diapers is hired by CORP-USA to develop the bitcoin-killer, U end up with SONY-BETAMAX, sure the white paper is GREAT, and the YELLOW-Paper is fascinating, but come-on

WHERE IS THE BEEF?

Then there is the notion of "PRIVACY"?? Fuck No, of course NOT ETH was developed by LAWYERS  for LAWYERS, its a way to collect 'tax' as BUTTERIN likes to call is FEES


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VHS is BTC, BETAMAX is ETH, and VHS won because that was where the PORN was ( the fun ), ETH is boring cuz BUTTERIN is a granny who wants to cultivate society in his own image. Free of FUN, corporate owned, no privacy, and NO FUN (gambling,drugs, or booze )


Anarchists HATE control freaks, and ETH  is the coin of control freaks, aka GOV "CORPORATE FASCISM"

+90% of the shill-bots posting here have an agenda, quite often blatant, but most of the time just rhetorical newbie planting of seeds and justification for the herd.

Anybody with 4+ years, or even 8 years in BTC knows it ain't going away, but the bot's & shill's they are PAID to create doubt, probably just another shit-post by team BCH, but hell its a question that needs reflection, even stupid questions should be answered.

'memo to self don't click on bait'

Well its probably all bait, what if the title was "Don't Read This', then what would u do? Your here aren't U?? Thus U must be here for the obvious propaganda, most of the 'What,where,who" questions here are tag-team bots offering problem/solution in order to direct ppl to their site, real humans without an agenda are a endangered species on this site.

I think that if OP ask's a reasonable timely question, then it should be answered,

ALSO I might point out that even BTC is still an ALT, its still in TESTNET after 8 years, ppl are still feeling it out,

It's a pyramid with BTC at the top, and +2,000 other crypto's trying to crawl up, will BTC get knocked off the top to be replaced by a shit-coin? Probably not, not from what we have seen so far, the competition is usually centralized an ran by GOV GOONS, or Proxy's. Even Monero is known to have weak ECDSA integers (NSA), and its the only coin that comes close to privacy.

BIGGEST PROBLEM today for BTC is making it ANONYMOUS,

This thread is about ALT-COINS, the ALT that can resolve the ANONYMITY problem, or most likely piggy-back BTC could be king, but so far, mixers and all have failed

The best people don't even seem to be working on this problem, there are more people working on transaction analysis, than there are people trying to make the transactions invisible.

Because finding RICH PPL and lawyers/GOV stealing their money is MORE profitable than developing the next BITCOIN (ALT)

So everytime there is a 10-20% temporary correction in BITCOIN U'all going to call it "COLLAPSE", isnt' that why the day-traders love this crap? Cuz they can count on these tremendous volatility variations, and its a known-known that no matter how low it goes, it will come back, ppl who play this game, must be make a fortune on betting against the whales.

I can imagine tons of coders out there have python algo's that just look for major whale buy/sale orders, and then the algo tells the day-trader what to buy/sell, good thing about BTC is this stuff is all open and almost all the good exchange have JSON. I'm sure ton's of people get INTEL every hour on their mobile phones.

Lot's of PPL can tell U why the price went down almost $2k, but now its back up to 60 day average, lots of ppl can tell u whats going to happen next,

More of the same, ... just like the weather.

Bill Gates said it best "Bitcoin aint' going away", that's all U need to know.

BITCOIN is 'money' for INTL-RICH MEN, no borders, and like gold, but it can't be taken away by cops,bandits, or gov. All the rich see this, so they will slowly continue to 'investment' BITCOIN by baby-steps, but certainly once The SHit Hits the Fan, aka USDollar collapses then U will see BTC shoot to the moon, cuz it will be the only place other than gold to safely store your wealth, even 'real estate' is NOT safe during war.

Marc Faber likes to point out looking back the last 500 years the only safe place where anybody kept their wealth was in the 'church', now we have a new religion, a new church, and BTC is the idol.

( The point being about the 'church' is that wars come & go, and fortunes come and go, and fiat, but  the church just keeps growing; best racket on earth after bitcoin )

Exactly, price is like Godwins Law, sooner or later it will come up, someone will mention price or Nazism.

Talk about Hardware price will come up,

Talk about Crypto's price will come up, even relative to BTC, its still talking about price

Blatant OPS like "How much will BTG trade for tomorrow, should I sell or buy"? That I kind of non-sense should be discouraged.

We all know it when we see it, but the problem is you can't talk about any coin or algo without price in USD or BTC coming up,

Say ALgo's, eventually someone will say "What earns more equihash or cryptonight"

Then another person might ask what is the price of electricity, price is the blood of business, and crypto.

What hash algo is best to protect my $100 USD investment in coin?

What coin provides most 'privacy' so that my wife's lawyer can never find my total net worth in USD?

No it wasn't BITCOIN-GOLD was FRAUD from day-one, back in August 2017 it was a TOKEN-COIN, then it got rebranded as an alt-coin, then as BITCOIN-GOLD, and then as a GPU MINABLE BITCOIN.

Now its just another history lesson for morons.

NOBODY designed SHIT, they took the BITCOIN source and replaced the crypto algo that was SHA256 to EQUIHASH, they litterally just moved the crypto from zcash to their clone, they added NO VALUE, you can hardly call this a design, there are dozens of BTC clones that have EQUIHASH such as BITCOIN-Z, which trades for 2 satoshi.

There is ONLY one working pool for mining BTG, that be BTG.suprnova.cc

All the other pools were using the wrong block-chain and are currently in dispute, as they have no choice but to reset all transaction history to zero, and re-sync with the suprnova.cc chain which is the only correct chain ( being the longest under BTC rules of chain dispute consensus )

BTG.suprnova.cc has 95% of all blocks found, anybody  with an IQ over 80 knows there is no point mining anywhere else, unless of course your a shill, liar, or a fool.

p.s. Pool.Gold is affiliated with the same idiots that developed BTG, and for 3+ weeks pool.gold has been running test-net, and last I looked they were still re-directing test-net, that said never underestimate the stupidity of mankind, I think pool.gold will play the fools until they drop dead

Because of the block-chain problems it will take days to get everybody synced on the correct block-chain, once that happens then the exchanges can process orders and all the 'air droppers' will DUMP their $10 USD worth of BTG,should be a blood bath price drop.

There is no community to support this coin, even Jack Liao has disavowed this coin The father say's its not his child, the DEV's were all anonymous.

With no community this thing will plummet, all party's on the sell side

I think the exchanges will drag their asses on this wait for the price to drop near zero before they start paying out, as nobody wants to be holding the bag here,

There are NO BUYERS, only sellers,

Remember those BTG-DEVS must sell their 100k coins pre-mined, holding that shit is DUMB, they know that this coin has no fucking future. This is the reason they put no effort into the launch, or the testnet.

Just another big LIE, the avg BTC holding is 0.05 BTC that be $300, the avg amount a USA citizen has in bank is $500 usd, that be about right.

Most ppl R not rich and will never be rich, and sure as hell aint' going to get rich trading at 0.05 BTC, its a zero sum game when you trade, and the house always rigs the game, the fee's always eat up those tiny winnings.

Every generation gets suckered into shit, now this generation has crypto's

Most of the worlds rich got rich in Real Estate,

Start a corporation, run your own company, get rich, then BUY BTC.

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When ppl here talk about 'rich' and crypto they're talking penny-coins, and day-trading their $300 USD worth of BTC in&out of shit-coins, the only outcome is they lose their $300.