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401  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 07, 2016, 01:41:31 AM
I am genuinely looking forward to seeing what response you, brg444, icebreaker, hdbuck et al. provide for our entertainment if the network actually forks to classic and no disaster occurs. All that brazen supercilious venom spewed over the last year with potentially nothing to show for haha.

Smiley

I'm glad you're finding it hilarious. I don't. Because I invested non-trivial portion of my portfolio into Bitcoin and I'd hate it all to go "poof!" if a hostile hard fork backfires and the net DOES split into two. Are you willing to bet ALL your BTC that this has a zero chance of happening? I would not be so sure.
402  Economy / Speculation / Re: Fall due to Coinbase trying to push through XT and change leadership ? on: February 06, 2016, 03:24:04 AM
Well I was mocked by some when I made the thread (cognitive dissonance?) but the pattern is very clear now. News that increases likely-hood of contentious hard fork always leads to price drops. When coup attempts seem unlikely and support for them drops price increases.



Some (too many to actually recall) of the notable events:

XT released: huge drop

XT looses support price increases

Coinbase CEO and some other companies gives support to XT, price drop

XT looses support price increases

Coinbase says it is trailing XT, price drops

XT looses support price increases


Classic is announced price drops

Classic claims support of majority miners (admittedly Mike 'traitor' Hearn Rage quit then also and influenced price) price drops sharply

Classic binaries released and Gavin makes more pro fork propaganda, price drops

Exactly. Correlation between any development positive to hard fork and negative price movement is so strong, it's not even funny. And this is still with hostile hard fork probability VERY VERY low. But now it seems that corporate interests behind this hostile takeover attempt are not going to give up so easily. So, probability of hard fork and network split is steadily increasing. Once it becomes a REAL possibility, THEN the actual dump starts.
403  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoinocracy: If non-Core hard fork wins, major holders will sell BTC on: February 06, 2016, 03:18:09 AM
What? Racist? What race you even are, Martian?  Shocked
404  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoinocracy: If non-Core hard fork wins, major holders will sell BTC on: February 05, 2016, 08:27:48 PM
Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against non-native speakers of English. Far from being an arrogant "English Man", I'm non-native speaker myself. But unclear and confused jumble of words that you are producing here does not help to strengthen your case.
405  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoinocracy: If non-Core hard fork wins, major holders will sell BTC on: February 05, 2016, 04:07:31 PM
I think that if you are sure that "I just don't get it" I am sure that you not only don't get nothing (much more than me) but even that don't understand what I have write. And that the only thing that you can get and sold as true about everything is only that is true only in your head.

1. Why told you that are more than them signed that pool the people who want to sell in this case? And even with big letters. Have you counted all them in the dream wondered a night ago? Or have hear the discussion had with her girlfriend your best friend and he is well informed about this "fact"?

2. You tell: "No doubt, there are MANY more people who feel the same but just are not so adamant or technically skilled to complete this procedure." From what kind of facts become this your full, unassailable, arrogant sureness, explained with big letters (because I am not capable to understand it with little letters)? Have you again "seen" those in the above dream or on another made one night ago?

3. You must understand that I get only the facts and nothing else. And I speak or write only based on those and not using your above sources. I get that when the number of the people who will want to sell their bitcoins will arrive at that amount get by you in your dreams I will make another post using the words that I will want to write after the get of THE FACTS I WILL HAVE IN FRONT OF MY EYES.

4. Why have quoted only part of my post and not all? Maybe because have not get all that was write there. Read it again and again (but not less that 1 thousand times because I get that if you will read it less, you again will not be able to get the everything needed to make a normal comment) and will get some things that make without sense some of your "gets" of my post commented in your post.

Dude. I would like to respond to your (no doubt, well thought through) arguments. I really would. There is just one tiny little problem - I don't speak Gibberish... So, unless someone translates your post into normal language, we're out of luck here.
406  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoinocracy: If non-Core hard fork wins, major holders will sell BTC on: February 04, 2016, 09:35:38 PM
...But for sure know that not less than 23 thousand but even ten times more bitcoins be sold cannot cause some important thing to the price of bitcoin. Are 15 millions are the bitcoins in circulation. So the previous amounts are nothing compared to this amount. For sure will be a dump (maybe even big) of the price but in the same time for sure will be the increase of it at the normal value had before this possible dump.

I think you just don't get it. Holders of 23K bitcoins are by no means THE ONLY ONES ready to sell in case of hostile takeover hard fork. These are only the people who are pissed off enough to vent their frustration publicly. Which is far from being trivial. To do this, they had to understand the complicated procedure of Bitcoinocracy voting, get their bitcoins out of cold storage and then use the keys to sign the appropriate message. No doubt, there are MANY more people who feel the same but just are not so adamant or technically skilled to complete this procedure.

However, it requires no such skill to move your BTC to exchanges and sell them. Given that BTCUSD trade volume is in tens of thousands of BTC daily, even disbalance of tens of thousands BTC added to the sell side may crash the price quite significantly.
407  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoinocracy: If non-Core hard fork wins, major holders will sell BTC on: February 04, 2016, 06:18:18 AM
Pretty reckless to risk your investment (and Bitcoin protocol) to fix the non-existent problem of full blocks.

Some would say allowing a company to capture the protocol, steer it to their will, while selling lackeys on the idea that it is all in the name of safety and decentralization... would be pretty reckless. I guess it's all a matter of perspective.

I find it ironic that you bigblockers keep mindlessly repeating these propaganda points... While it's pretty clear to everyone with even half a brain that such propaganda was produced and fed to you by corporations whose only interests is in centralizing Bitcoin. Like Coinbase and a bunch of other centralized services. Now, talk about attempt to capture Bitcoin and bend it to narrow corporate interests...
408  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoinocracy: If non-Core hard fork wins, major holders will sell BTC on: February 04, 2016, 04:20:35 AM
It looks like some holders already started.

Actually, I see the opposite: so far, every dump attempt is bought out pretty quickly. I guess the possibility of hostile hard fork is assessed as very low by the whales ATM. So, they use the uncertainty of the small/retail traders to increase their long positions. The market pattern definitely looks like accumulation to me.
409  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoinocracy: If non-Core hard fork wins, major holders will sell BTC on: February 03, 2016, 01:55:13 AM
The amount of misinformation is really astounding regarding how blockchain works. I guess at this stage, no change can be done on bitcoin any more. Let's just freeze the code and prohibit any future change to it so that people get some peace in mind

I don't think it's such a bad idea, actually. At least, this is a preferable alternative to a split breaking the system and the community beyond repair. There is an old sysadmin saying: "If it works, don't touch it!"
410  Local / Новости / Гapмoния блoкчeйнa: oтвeт кpитикaм Bitcoin Core on: February 02, 2016, 07:39:34 PM
Почему консенсус важен, а его нарушение грозит серьезными неприятностями. Грегори Максвелл детально объясняет позицию Core.

http://bitnovosti.com/2016/02/02/answer-to-bitcoin-core-critics/
411  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Finally, Bitcoin Core = REKT on: February 02, 2016, 04:28:08 PM
Why don't you bloatblockers just fork off and enjoy your "Classic" crapcoin without any definite rules (anything is up to vote!) Oh, and don't forget that it doesn't even have any guarantee of 21M hard cap: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4326ya/jonathan_toomim_on_bitcoin_classic_everything_can/

Enjoy this clown show! You well deserve it. Personally, I'll sell all the Classiccoins after the split while stupid people still think it's worth shit. And I'll reinvest it all in real bitcoins (no, the Classic clown show won't be able to monopolize mining - miners will switch back to Bitcoin as soon as they see how low Classiccoin sinks). And it seems that all the reasonable people will follow this simple strategy as well: http://bitcoinocracy.com/arguments/if-non-core-hard-fork-wins-major-holders-will-sell-btc-driving-price-into-the-ground
412  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoinocracy: If non-Core hard fork wins, major holders will sell BTC on: February 02, 2016, 04:05:32 PM
the non-core guy are only implementing somethign really needed not like xt that were adding unecessary crap

You need to learn more. Part of this "New Bitcoin" is democratic vote on any features and limitations of Bitcoin system. Thought New Bitcoin will have 21M coins hard cap? Think again. Their main developer said so much: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4326ya/jonathan_toomim_on_bitcoin_classic_everything_can/
413  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoinocracy: If non-Core hard fork wins, major holders will sell BTC on: February 02, 2016, 06:03:22 AM
There needs to be a market where they can put their money where their mouth is.

Actually, I agree. There needs to be a futures market of Classiccoins vs. Corecoins. At the very minimum, it'll be much easier to see where the real economic majority is. I think Eric Voorhees proposed something like this recently.
414  Economy / Speculation / Bitcoinocracy: If non-Core hard fork wins, major holders will sell BTC on: February 02, 2016, 03:44:09 AM
Most upvoted statement on Bitcoinocracy right now:
"If non-Core hard fork wins, major holders will sell BTC, driving price into the ground"

http://bitcoinocracy.com/arguments/if-non-core-hard-fork-wins-major-holders-will-sell-btc-driving-price-into-the-ground
415  Local / Новости / Re: Лучшaя книгa o Биткoйнe: тeпepь и в Рoccии! on: January 27, 2016, 04:09:38 PM
Куда смотрит Роспотребнадзор.

Если серьёзно - это беллитристика. Хотелось бы нечто такое:



Хотелось бы. Но издательство готово продолжать развивать эту тему только если первая книга о биткойне будет продаваться. А если все в сообществе будут сидеть на пятой точке и умно рассуждать, о том, что это все никому не нужно...
416  Local / Новости / Re: Лучшaя книгa o Биткoйнe: тeпepь и в Рoccии! on: January 27, 2016, 03:23:26 AM
Книгу уже можно заказать в магазине Ozon.ru: http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/135325988/
417  Local / Новости / Лучшaя книгa o Биткoйнe: тeпepь и в Рoccии! on: January 27, 2016, 03:22:46 AM
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Самая популярная в мире книга о Биткойне «Цифровое Золото: История Биткойна» выходит на русском языке. Издательство “Диалектика” только что анонсировало печатное издание, которое поступит в книжные магазины  в феврале-марте.

Книга журналиста New York Times Натаниэля Поппера (Nathaniel Popper) «Цифровое Золото: Невероятная История Биткойна» по праву считается наиболее популярной книгой о криптовалюте, вошедшей в список лучших бизнес-книг 2015 года в престижном листинге Financial Times. Книга Поппера быстро стала самой продаваемой по биткойн-тематике в Amazon и других западных интернет-магазинах. И вот теперь этот бестселлер станет доступен и русскоязычному читателю – об этом позаботилось издательство “Диалектика”.

Подробнее: http://bitnovosti.com/2016/01/27/kniga/

418  Local / Новости / За Биткойны хлеб не купишь? on: January 18, 2016, 03:24:03 PM
Budafoods, сертифицированная органическая ферма и поставщик продуктов питания, которая находится в австралийском штате Квинсленд, пытается создать закрытую экономику Биткойна среди фермеров и убедить своих партнеров, которые поддерживают предприятия и сообщества, перейти на Биткойн.

http://bitnovosti.com/2016/01/18/australian-organic-farm-creates-a-local-bitcoin-economy/
419  Local / Новости / Пост Майка Хирна: “Я посылаю Bitcoin к черту!” on: January 16, 2016, 06:12:18 AM
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С самого начала, я всегда говорил одно и то же: Биткойн – эксперимент. И как все эксперименты, он может потерпеть неудачу. Так что не инвестируйте в него больше, чем вы можете позволить себе потерять. Я говорил это в интервью, на сцене на конференциях, и по е-мэйлу. Так же как и другие известные девелоперы, такие как Гэвин Андресен (Gavin Andresen) и Джеф Гарзик (Jeff Garzik).

И хотя я всегда знал, что Биткойн может потерпеть неудачу, неизбежный вывод о том, что он-таки потерпел неудачу все же огорчает меня. Основы разрушены, и что бы ни происходило с ценой в ближайшее время, в долгосрочной перспективе, Биткойн будет идти только вниз. Я никогда больше не собираюсь принимать участие в разработке Биткойна и продал все свои монеты.

http://bitnovosti.com/2016/01/16/mike-hearn-wishes-bitcoin-to-burn-in-hell/
420  Local / Новости / Bitcoin Classic: Aндресен выпустил новый форк on: January 14, 2016, 05:32:38 AM
Попытка захватить контроль над биткойн-сообществом через выпуск неконсенсусного хардфорка Bitcoin XT провалилась. Но Гэвин Андресен не желает успокаиваться. Он любыми средствами хочет добиться увеличения размера блока и делает вторую, более серьезную попытку. После полного и очевидного провала форка Bitcoin XT, не набравшего даже 1% голосов майнеров из запланированных 75%, он стал идейным вдохновителем нового, только что запущенного проекта: Bitcoin Classic.

http://bitnovosti.com/lenta/comment-page-91/#comment-107590

http://bitnovosti.com/lenta/comment-page-91/#comment-107489
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