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401  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "Killing Jews is Worship that Draws Us Close to Allah" Ads on NYC Buses on: April 28, 2015, 07:37:55 PM
You wont see them quote a Jihadist saying "Israel is stealing land against all international law". Even though this is the ONLY argument I heard when in Palestine. Why? Because it is true, indefensible, and does not fit the Israeli governments story about how unreasonable the Palestinians are.  

Call it what you want but Israel is an apartheid state and feels America owes it something. It is time to turn the clock and start making some new friends in the Mid-East.

It's fine with me if you want to live there and be friends with them. Watch your throat though.

I don't believe there is such a thing as "international law." We obviously disagree about this.

I find it odd that the "apartheid state" is the one with both Jews and non-Jews and the future Palestinian state will be Judenrein.
402  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "Killing Jews is Worship that Draws Us Close to Allah" Ads on NYC Buses on: April 28, 2015, 07:34:43 PM
Pamela Geller doesn't want Jews killed. That's why she's point out Jew-killers and the people who excuse them. What do the people who want to silence her want? Dead Jews.

Don't worry. Jews will continue to be killed whether this ad runs or not. And people will blame the Jews for being killed.

Hahaha, yes, poor innocent Jews! Always being picked on and killed for no reason whatsoever!

Well, no Jew-hatred indicated there!

Thanks for answering. People have made this assumption a lot since I started defending Israel/Jews in the many, many threads popping up to hate on Israel/Jews. For months I just ignored it because I don't have a problem if people think I'm a Jew. (For the record: I'm not. I'm a Canadian Atheist. My ancestral ethnic background, like many "New Worlders" is who-the-fuck-knows and it's-not-important-to-me.)

Isn't it disturbing though that someone can be automatically assumed to be a Jew simply because they're against Jews being demonized, Jews being hated, Jews being killed? Or against Israel being attacked or destroyed?

What's disturbing is why you are buying into Jewish lies as if your life depended on it...

You're the one buying into lies about the Jews. Lies about Jews have often infected the weak-minded. Just consider seeking some help for your problem.

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If Israel is destroyed, I will devote the rest of my life to the extermination of the human species. Any species that goes down this road again less than 100 years after the holocaust needs to be fucking wiped out.
Whenever you stand up for something, notice who you're standing next to. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=958135.0;all https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012231.0;all

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Why would I even have such a statement in my signature? I want the Jew-haters to know they do, in fact, have skin-in-the-game when it comes to Israel. I will do my best to make sure of that. The survival of your species depends on the survival of Israel. Jew-haters should remember that when they post.

Why so much hatred, when you're not even a Jew?

It's not only Jews who hate Nazis.

For being an atheist, you sure have an interest in Judaism.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Heh. I think you're suggesting I'm a sneaky, lying Jew. So sneaky and lying that I claim not to be a Jew in order to Jew you into not doubting my defense of Jews. That's some pretty deep Jew-hatred there. Do you imagine me doing all this while stroking the Jew gold around my neck? And then do you imagine that's not the real Jew gold, but the fake Jew gold I use to Jew non-Jews?
403  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Hillary Clinton Trustworthy? on: April 28, 2015, 06:42:26 PM
I don't have any hope of someone defeating Hillary in 2016. On the bright side (sort of), I said the same thing in 2007 about 2008.

The main thing I'm wondering right now is how long the media can keep Hillary's use of a walker secret. It's hard to believe after almost a year it's still being kept under wraps.

404  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: April 28, 2015, 06:36:08 PM
N if Oussama Laden was involved then it was just this terrorist group not all the muslims ok??

Oh I thought it was all the muslims thanks for clearing this up for me!!
405  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "Killing Jews is Worship that Draws Us Close to Allah" Ads on NYC Buses on: April 28, 2015, 06:32:47 PM
Pamela Geller doesn't want Jews killed. That's why she's point out Jew-killers and the people who excuse them. What do the people who want to silence her want? Dead Jews.

Don't worry. Jews will continue to be killed whether this ad runs or not. And people will blame the Jews for being killed.

Hahaha, yes, poor innocent Jews! Always being picked on and killed for no reason whatsoever!

Well, no Jew-hatred indicated there!

Thanks for answering. People have made this assumption a lot since I started defending Israel/Jews in the many, many threads popping up to hate on Israel/Jews. For months I just ignored it because I don't have a problem if people think I'm a Jew. (For the record: I'm not. I'm a Canadian Atheist. My ancestral ethnic background, like many "New Worlders" is who-the-fuck-knows and it's-not-important-to-me.)

Isn't it disturbing though that someone can be automatically assumed to be a Jew simply because they're against Jews being demonized, Jews being hated, Jews being killed? Or against Israel being attacked or destroyed?

What's disturbing is why you are buying into Jewish lies as if your life depended on it...

You're the one buying into lies about the Jews. Lies about Jews have often infected the weak-minded. Just consider seeking some help for your problem.

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If Israel is destroyed, I will devote the rest of my life to the extermination of the human species. Any species that goes down this road again less than 100 years after the holocaust needs to be fucking wiped out.
Whenever you stand up for something, notice who you're standing next to. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=958135.0;all https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012231.0;all

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Why would I even have such a statement in my signature? I want the Jew-haters to know they do, in fact, have skin-in-the-game when it comes to Israel. I will do my best to make sure of that. The survival of your species depends on the survival of Israel. Jew-haters should remember that when they post.

Why so much hatred, when you're not even a Jew?

It's not only Jews who hate Nazis.
406  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Atlantic: Is It Time for Jews to Leave Europe? on: April 28, 2015, 06:27:04 PM
....

Just to show you that there is an actual pattern here because of the Charlie Hebdoe attack we had a bunch of Christians trying to spam shit about Muslims, I was some of the many users promptly reminding them that all religion is as fucked up as Islam, in their own unique way.
La de da de da.

Here comes the moral equivalency argument.

Odd how it comes after continual, striking ONE SIDED violence isn't it?  Odd how the actual facts destroy the argument of moral equivalency.

Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

2015.04.27 (Bayda, Libya) - Six journalists are found with their throats slit months after being taken by the Islamic State.
2015.04.27 (Nineveh, Iraq) - Two are stoned to death for adultery as children look on.
2015.04.27 (Mekran, Pakistan) - Three Shiites are shot to death by Sunnis while waiting for a bus.
2015.04.26 (Noor-ul-Huda, Afghanistan) - A cleric who opposed violent extremism is quickly dispatched by fundamentalist bombers.
2015.04.24 (Bultaram, Nigeria) - Twenty-one civilians carrying food are massacred by Boko Haram outside their village.
2015.04.24 (Alingar, Afghanistan) - Four women are among five family members wiped out by a Taliban rocket.

Well, let's be fair here. I recently heard a Christian woman in Indiana said she wouldn't serve a pizza at a gay wedding. To a lot of people, that's way worse than throat-cutting, stoning to death, shooting to death, bombing, massacres and rocket attacks.
407  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Atlantic: Is It Time for Jews to Leave Europe? on: April 28, 2015, 03:33:11 AM
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Malmo Rabbi Shneur Kesselman says: “In the past five years I’ve been here, I think you can count on your hand how many (anti-Semitic) incidents there have been from the extreme right. In my personal experience, it’s 99% Muslim.” Jewish resident Marcus Eilenberg, whose survivor grandparents found shelter in Malmo in 1945, says Jews there are confronting “a degree of hate that none of us – except those who survived the Holocaust – had experienced before.”[/b]

tbh i stopped reading there.

I just wanted to point out that this Rabbi is discussed in the article in the OP, including in my quotes above. He's been subjected himself to approximately 150 attacks in the past 10 years, so he probably does have enough data to be able to approximate the percentage of attacks by Muslims vs. by the "extreme right".

I'm curious why you wouldn't be interested in the report of a Jewish Rabbi who's lived openly as a Jew in Malmo for a decade and directly experienced what's happened.

There are also quotes in the article about how Muslims in Malmo view Jews. Spoiler Alert: It isn't good.

Why is it important to you to mislead people about who is attacking Jews?

subjective opinions cant be taken as a factum. it doesnt work like this.
even if everything he says is true it is not possible to take that as the average picture of europe.

there are alot of problems in europe but mainly it is about wrong national policies regarding integration of immigrants and foreign policies.

I suppose European countries could do more to collect statistics on the ethnic make-up of those who attack Jews. I wonder why they don't. Actually, I think it's obvious why they don't.
408  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Atlantic: Is It Time for Jews to Leave Europe? on: April 28, 2015, 03:30:19 AM
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There's a lot of Jew hatred on this forum,  so I guess I should intice you to read it in a different way. Read this so you can masturbate while thinking about how dangerous Europe is for Jews in 2015. If you guys keep it up, maybe it'll be this dangerous in the rest of the places in the world that still allow Jews to live there. And then after that maybe you'll finally get what you want: a world free of Jews.

No there isn't, what there is are a bunch of anti-semites who have taken up residence on this forum and whenever the word "Jew" is mentioned or you make a topic like this you will have the exact same users spamming about Zionism, it's ridiculous how there are people on the internet who even in this day and age think that a few users spamming this bullshit automatically think that the spammed view represents the view of the whole forum.

Just to show you that there is an actual pattern here because of the Charlie Hebdoe attack we had a bunch of Christians trying to spam shit about Muslims, I was some of the many users promptly reminding them that all religion is as fucked up as Islam, in their own unique way.

By "spamming about Zionism" do you mean people arguing that the Jews should have their own nation in their historic homeland so they have a refuge from places around the world where they're persecuted? I haven't seen that. If you mean posting things against Zionism, I've seen a lot of that. Look at the topics on the front page of the Politics & Society subforum.

I'm not a Christian and not a fan of Christianity, but Christians are not doing anything comparable to the Charlie Hebdo massacre in the name of their religion. Look how Christians responded to Piss Christ or any number of other anti-Christian art. Probably if they'd responded like Muslims responded to Charlie Hebdo, there'd be a lot less anti-Christian art. Most anti-Christian artists pick Christianity as a target because the artists are cowards.

But there's nothing good to be done about things like the massacre over the Muhammed cartoons. The future of France, like most of Europe, is Muslim. People won't be allowed to criticize Islam. That's the future the French, like most of Europe, have chosen. Every time there is an event like Charlie Hebdo (or Theo van Gogh's killing, etc.) some Europeans briefly speak up, other Europeans tell them to shut-up-racist because there isn't a problem it's just right-wing-propaganda, and the repressive Islamic future of Europe becomes more certain. It makes me glad I don't live there, but Canada is moving the same direction.
409  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Has the NSA already broken bitcoin? on: April 28, 2015, 03:18:08 AM
Simple ethics. The NSA has a long history of providing covertly obtained information to brutal governments who then use that information to kill people who they have no legitimate business killing.

It is going on today throughout Africa and the Middle East. It isn't like some dark chapter from long ago history. If the NSA owns bitcoin and bitcoin becomes mainstream then a lot of political dissidents in a lot of countries will die.

Why do so many people use such dishonest tactics to promote the notion that sha is clean from possible manipulation by the NSA?

One concern is obviously being able to physically locate a person using bitcoin.
Another concern is being able to snatch their coins.

Honestly, for fucks sake, who would trust something designed and promoted by the NSA?

It's like asking Charles Manson to babysit. Actually Manson has probably mended his ways and might make a good babysitter. The NSA has not changed. It uses sneaky tricky shit to kill a lot of people through proxies in the 3rd world.

All of this is irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not SHA2 is "broken". Just like I could bring up your ideas about 9/11, but it's irrelevant to your belief that SHA2 is "broken." It might let some of the other people on the thread know what a waste of time it is to argue with you.

Most educated Americans, a vast majority, believe discreetly that neocons in the United States, along with a vague network of Zionists, were responsible for 911.

If you pick any well educated American and get him or her drunk enough they will admit it. But polls say most people aren't really sure.
410  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Atlantic: Is It Time for Jews to Leave Europe? on: April 27, 2015, 04:47:15 PM
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Malmo Rabbi Shneur Kesselman says: “In the past five years I’ve been here, I think you can count on your hand how many (anti-Semitic) incidents there have been from the extreme right. In my personal experience, it’s 99% Muslim.” Jewish resident Marcus Eilenberg, whose survivor grandparents found shelter in Malmo in 1945, says Jews there are confronting “a degree of hate that none of us – except those who survived the Holocaust – had experienced before.”[/b]

tbh i stopped reading there.

I just wanted to point out that this Rabbi is discussed in the article in the OP, including in my quotes above. He's been subjected himself to approximately 150 attacks in the past 10 years, so he probably does have enough data to be able to approximate the percentage of attacks by Muslims vs. by the "extreme right".

I'm curious why you wouldn't be interested in the report of a Jewish Rabbi who's lived openly as a Jew in Malmo for a decade and directly experienced what's happened.

There are also quotes in the article about how Muslims in Malmo view Jews. Spoiler Alert: It isn't good.

Why is it important to you to mislead people about who is attacking Jews?
411  Other / Politics & Society / Re: International Zionism Did 911–23 facts on: April 27, 2015, 04:40:18 PM
... Useless posts you have. ...

Actually, I made one of the most useful posts in the thread. I said who was behind 9/11. You even thanked me for it at the time.

Al Qaeda was behind the attack on 9/11. (They are not the same as the Taliban.) "Infiltrated the USA airspace" is misleading. It was a surprise attack using civilian aircraft at a time when people expected it to be a hijacking, not a suicide terrorist mission. It was a relatively simple and inexpensive attack that didn't require much money, intelligence or technology. The steel frames of the WTC were weakened by the fire causing the collapse. Mossad/Israel had nothing to do with it. It's possible some members of the Saudi royal family were involved and that this has been kept quiet to prevent a rift with an ally.

I'm surprised so many people aren't aware of what happened, but I'm glad to help spread the word.
412  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Atlantic: Is It Time for Jews to Leave Europe? on: April 27, 2015, 04:34:27 PM
If you read the article from The Atlantic in the OP, it's clear most of the danger to Jews in Europe is coming from Muslims. Here are some quotes from the article.

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But what makes this new era of anti-Semitic violence in Europe different from previous ones is that traditional Western patterns of anti-Semitic thought have now merged with a potent strain of Muslim Judeophobia. Violence against Jews in Western Europe today, according to those who track it, appears to come mainly from Muslims, who in France, the epicenter of Europe’s Jewish crisis, outnumber Jews 10 to 1.

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On the morning of March 19, 2012, a man named Mohamed Merah, a French citizen of Algerian descent, parked his motorbike in front of the entrance of a Jewish school in Toulouse called Ozar Hatorah, which is in a placid residential neighborhood not far from the city center. Merah, who had been radicalized in a French prison and trained in an al-Qaeda camp in Pakistan, dismounted and almost immediately began firing a 9 mm pistol at students and the parents who were dropping them off. He killed a 30-year-old rabbi and his two sons, who were 3 and 6 years old. Merah then walked into the schoolyard, shooting at students. He chased down an 8-year-old girl named Myriam Monsonego, catching her by the hair. Merah held her down and placed his 9 mm to her head, but the weapon jammed. He switched to another handgun, pressed it against her head, and fired. The sound of shooting had brought the school’s principal to the school yard. Yaacov Monsonego arrived to see Merah execute his daughter.

There are more details in the article about Muslim children in Toulouse who tell their parents not to go to a Jewish doctor.

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Like many of the banlieues that ring Paris, Montreuil bears no socioeconomic or aesthetic resemblance to the Paris of popular imagination. The architecture is rude, the parks are unkempt, and the people, many of them immigrants from North Africa, are estranged from la belle France. On the way to Montreuil, in the Métro, I passed defaced posters of the musician Lou Reed. Stars of David had been drawn on his nose. Other graffiti was less ambiguous: Nique les Juifs—“Fuck the Jews.”

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The students I talked with in the library generally agreed that their future lay outside of France. “A lot of the Muslims hate us here,” a student named Alexandre said. His parents had already moved to Israel. They were two of the roughly 7,000 French Jews who left for Israel in 2014. Alexandre would be joining them after graduation.

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The students talked about ways in which Jews concealed their identity. I’d heard that it had already become fairly common practice in some of the apartment blocks in the banlieues for Jews to remove the mezuzot from their doors. A mezuzah is a piece of parchment that contains Bible verses and that is placed in a case and then affixed to a doorpost. In some suburbs, mezuzot had become pointers for those in search of Jews to harm.

But the students told me something new. “Jewish people are telling other Jews to take down their mezuzot,” one of the students said. “People are being pressured to hide that they are Jewish. The pressure can be very intense.” The impetus for this new campaign seems to have been an incident that occurred in early December, in which a group of robbers broke into an apartment in Créteil. They told the occupants that they knew they were Jewish, and therefore wealthy, and then they raped a 19-year-old woman in the apartment.

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Malmö, which sits across the Øresund from Copenhagen, has a population of roughly 300,000. This includes a large number, perhaps 50,000 or so, of Muslim immigrants. The Jewish community is much smaller—by some estimates, there are fewer than 1,000 Jews; the population has dropped by half in recent years. Malmö’s leadership has at times been at odds with Malmö’s Jews. A former mayor said that the city accepts “neither Zionism nor anti-Semitism”—a statement that was taken as hostile by Jewish Swedes supportive of Israel’s existence.

Acts of anti-Jewish harassment and vandalism are common in Malmö, and Kesselman is a main target, because he is the only Jew there who still dresses in an identifiably Jewish manner—kippah, black hat, black coat, and long beard. Jewish teenagers in Malmö told me that wearing a Star of David necklace can incite a beating. Kesselman estimates that he has been the target of roughly 150 anti-Semitic attacks in his 10 years in the city, mainly verbal, but also physical. “There is a lot of cursing at me, and people sometimes throw bottles at me from their cars. Someone backed up their car in order to hit me,” he said when I met with him. Occasionally, he said, people spit on him.

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I spent one afternoon interviewing people in the main shopping mall of the Rosengård district, which is predominantly home to immigrants. Several of the Muslims I interviewed expressed benign feelings toward Jews. They knew of Malmö’s reputation for anti-Semitism, and regretted it. A couple of others expressed objections to Israel’s existence, but absolved “the Jews” of collective responsibility. But more common was conflation, and exaggeration. I asked several people to tell me where they find information about Jews and Israel. Television stations such as Al Jazeera and the Hezbollah station, Al‑Manar, were cited, as was the preaching of Scandinavian imams. One Danish imam, Abu Bilal Ismail, became famous last year for urging worshippers in a Berlin mosque to kill Jews: “Count them and kill them to the very last one. Don’t spare a single one of them.” He later explained to a Copenhagen newspaper that he “never meant all Jews.”

One man, an Iraqi refugee, told me, “The Jews have too much power everywhere.” Another man, of Sudanese background, explained that the Koran itself warns Muslims to fear double-crossing by Jews. “They killed the prophets and tried to poison the Prophet Muhammad,” he said. I did not hear critiques of Israel’s occupation policies. I heard, instead, complaints about the Jews’ baleful influence on the world.

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When I left, two policemen were patrolling the narrow street outside the museum. A temporary surveillance post had been erected just across from the entrance. I asked one of the officers whether this level of security was normal. He said the government had increased security around the museum last spring, shortly after a massacre at another Jewish site: On May 24, four people were murdered at the Jewish Museum of Belgium, in Brussels, allegedly by a French Muslim of jihadist bent named Mehdi Nemmouche. Two Israeli tourists, a French volunteer, and a Belgian employee of Muslim and Jewish descent were killed. Nemmouche had recently returned to Europe after a term with ISIS in Syria, where, according to a former French hostage of ISIS, his specialty was torturing prisoners.

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Valls is deliberate and—unusual for a French politician of the left—blunt in identifying the main culprits in the proliferation of anti-Jewish violence and harassment: Islamist ideologues whose anti-Semitic and anti-Western calumnies have penetrated the banlieues. But he goes further: France’s “new anti-Semitism” is also the product of what he understands to be a malicious sleight of hand on the part of Israel’s enemies to repackage anti-Semitism as anti-Zionism.

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According to the Community Security Trust, 2014 saw the highest number of anti-Semitic incidents in the United Kingdom, which is home to 300,000 Jews, since the organization began its monitoring efforts, in 1984: it recorded 1,168 anti-Semitic incidents. This is more than double the number of incidents in 2013, and exceeds the previous record, from 2009, of 931 incidents. In a recent survey conducted on behalf of the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism, a quarter of British Jews said they had considered leaving the country; more than half of those surveyed said they fear that Jews have no future in Great Britain.

Cameron condemned demonstrators who took out their frustrations with Israel on Europe’s Jews. I asked him whether there existed in his mind a bright line that separates anti-Zionism from anti-Semitism. He answered: “I think it is unfair and wrong to lay at the door of Jewish communities of Europe policies pursued by the government of Israel that people might not agree with—just completely wrong.”

He went on to say: “As well as the new threat of extremist Islamism, there has been an insidious, creeping attempt to delegitimize the state of Israel, which spills over often into anti-Semitism. We have to be very clear about the fact that there is a dangerous line that people keep crossing over. This is a state, a democracy that is recognized by the UN, and I don’t think we should be tolerant of this effort at delegitimization. The people who are trying to make the line fuzzy are the delegitimizers.”

Later in the article there are quotes from Marine Le Pen, the leader of France's National Front Party. They're often classified as a neo-Nazi party. I don't know enough about French politics to know to what extent that's true and to what extent it's propaganda. However, what is clear is that the National Front talks about defending Jews in France, and they don't deny who is the danger to Jews in France. To their credit, the mainstream French parties (including the ruling Socialists) did a good job of talking about defending Jews in France after the massacres in January. I tend to suspect this was partly out of fear that the French people might actually vote from the National Front.

If you are someone whose main goal is to prevent parties like the National Front from coming to power (rather than protecting Jews), then I can understand why you'd be dishonest about who is attacking Jews. It would make sense to try and blame it on "right-wingers" instead fo radical Muslims. It takes a real blindness to believe that the danger is actually from "right-wingers" instead of Muslims.
413  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Atlantic: Is It Time for Jews to Leave Europe? on: April 27, 2015, 12:40:19 PM
...I doubt the continent has become more dangerous than it was for instance 80 years ago.

In a sense this is true. Six million Jews can't be killed in Europe again. There are only about a million left. Getting rid of that last million won't be too hard. To kill six million again you have to give support to people to kill Jews in Israel.
414  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Atlantic: Is It Time for Jews to Leave Europe? on: April 27, 2015, 12:37:51 PM
People are not born with a jew-hating gene.  Hate is learned from contact with jew haters.  It is essentially an oral tradition.  At least that is the theory that I'm working on.

And for many that contact comes early in life. Young children taught by teachers in Palestinian schools to hate the jew.

And what does it have to do with Europe and Jews feeling uncomfortable there. I'd say we have 5 times more Jews in Europe than Palestinians and I doubt the continent has become more dangerous than it was for instance 80 years ago.

Palestinian population vs. Jewish population isn't a good comparison, I think. There are many more Muslims in Europe than Jews. A quick search leads me to estimate that there are roughly 50 times as many Muslims in Europe as Jews (excluding Turkey). In addition, the Muslim population is growing while the Jewish population is...escaping.

Roughly half the money for those Palestinian schools teaching Jew hatred comes from Europeans. This is partly an attempt to pacify their Muslim minority populations. It's also partly a continuation of Jew hatred that's been part of European culture for centuries. It's also partly a recognition that the future of Europe will be Muslim majority and Judenrein.
415  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Atlantic: Is It Time for Jews to Leave Europe? on: April 27, 2015, 11:36:21 AM
People are not born with a jew-hating gene.  Hate is learned from contact with jew haters.  It is essentially an oral tradition.  At least that is the theory that I'm working on.

Hate may also be nourished from watching the news telling Jews are seizing Arab land, and/or killing Palestinians.

You might be interested in this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012231.0;all

There are also many people there who believe land is owned by ethnic groups (as in "Arab land") rather than by individuals. There are people there as well who only talk about Israelis responding to Palestinian terrorism without mentioning the terrorism itself. You can make some friends.
416  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "Killing Jews is Worship that Draws Us Close to Allah" Ads on NYC Buses on: April 27, 2015, 11:24:38 AM
Just to clarify: are you implying that I am a Jew? If so, what led you to this conclusion?

Yes I do. Perhaps because of your signature, or your previous post.

Thanks for answering. People have made this assumption a lot since I started defending Israel/Jews in the many, many threads popping up to hate on Israel/Jews. For months I just ignored it because I don't have a problem if people think I'm a Jew. (For the record: I'm not. I'm a Canadian Atheist. My ancestral ethnic background, like many "New Worlders" is who-the-fuck-knows and it's-not-important-to-me.)

Isn't it disturbing though that someone can be automatically assumed to be a Jew simply because they're against Jews being demonized, Jews being hated, Jews being killed? Or against Israel being attacked or destroyed?

Let's analyze the two pieces of evidence you pointed to that suggest I'm a Jew. My signature:

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If Israel is destroyed, I will devote the rest of my life to the extermination of the human species. Any species that goes down this road again less than 100 years after the holocaust needs to be fucking wiped out.
Whenever you stand up for something, notice who you're standing next to. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=958135.0;all https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012231.0;all

The first part is stating that if Israel is destroyed I will try to exterminate the human species. First this is evidence that I'm at least not a Jew living in Israel. If Israel is destroyed, the millions of Jews in Israel will all have been massacred. You could still believe I'm a Jew living elsewhere, but even outside of Israel most of the people who don't want Israel attacked/destroyed are not Jews (I hope!). This is simply because Jews are such a small minority. Also, I've known some leftist Jews who supported "Queers for Palestine." Jews are like anyone else. Some of them are just dumb.

Point 1: If someone doesn't want Israel destroyed, then that doesn't indicate they are a Jew.

If you wanted to argue against Point 1, the right way to do it would be some statistics providing evidence that most of the people who don't want Israel destroyed are Jews. I'd be surprised if anyone actually believed that. I wouldn't be surprised if most non-Jews in the world do want Israel destroyed, but that's a different assertion. To see the difference, divide people into four groups JI = Jews who support Israel, JD = Jews who support Israel's destruction, NI = Non-Jews who support Israel, ND = Non-Jews who support Israel's destruction. JI and JD both contain very few people, as Jews are a small minority. To argue against Point 1, you would need to argue that there are more people in JI than in NI, which seems very unlikely to me. This would require over 90% of non-Jews to support Israel's destruction. To argue that most non-Jews want Israel destroyed, you need to argue that ND has more people than NI. This would only require over 50% of non-Jews to support Israel's destruction.

Incidentally, some people may be wondering how I would exterminate the human species. I think the easiest way would be the creation of nanorobots designed to attack the human reproductive system. No one alive gets killed. They just can't have kids anymore. Bloodless extermination.

Why would I even have such a statement in my signature? I want the Jew-haters to know they do, in fact, have skin-in-the-game when it comes to Israel. I will do my best to make sure of that. The survival of your species depends on the survival of Israel. Jew-haters should remember that when they post.

The second part of the signature contains links to other bitcointalk threads with a lot of Jew hatred. Again, I think you'll find that most people who have a serious problem with Jew hatred are not Jews. Again, this is partly because Jews are such a small minority.

Point 2: If someone is vocally against Jew hatred, then this doesn't indicate they are a Jew.

I'm open to arguments against this. Simply present some evidence.

A lot of Jew haters in the world are Muslim. However, when I see Jew hatred on these threads I don't jump to the conclusion that the poster is Muslim. I mean, if their user name contains "Muhammed" I might jump to that conclusion. Hmm. Maybe when people see "J. J. Phillips" they think it stands for "Jew Jew Phillips". Well, it doesn't.

Finally, you pointed to my previous post:

I wish the Jihadis who openly believe in and praise killing Jews were as controversial as the people who point it out.

If you're looking for people to compare to the Nazis, how about looking at the people who tortured and murdered Ilan Halimi in 2006? Or if 9 years is too long ago, look at the man who killed the Jews in that supermarket in Paris in January? Or the Jewish kids shot and killed at a school a couple of years ago? All these examples are in France and they were all killed by Jihadis.

Jews actually are being targetted and killed. Today. By the people who say their goal is to kill Jews. Because of their religion.

And you're comparing the people pointing this out to the Nazis. Instead of the people who are actually demonizing Jews, actually targetting Jews, actually killing Jews.

Do you ever stop for a moment and think that maybe you're missing something?

Note that this is a post focused on Jihadis killing Jews. All my chosen examples are from France because it provides the best examples in Europe at the moment. For someone to read this and think it's evidence that I'm a Jew is strange. Do you think most of the people who have a problem with Jews being killed are Jews themselves? If so, maybe you're right. Show me some statistics. It would be very sad if that turned out to be the case. I don't think it was true 20 years ago. I don't think non-Jews went to see Schindler's List to enjoy seeing Jews get killed. Maybe today most people would. If so, I think that supports my human extermination project.

Point 3: If someone opposes Jews being openly targetted and killed, that's not an indication that this person is themselves a Jew.

Maybe I'm really wrong on these points in today's society. Maybe things have devolved so far back into the 1930s that the vast majority (over 90%) of non-Jews would never defend a Jew, even with words.
417  Other / Politics & Society / Re: International Zionism Did 911–23 facts on: April 27, 2015, 10:44:48 AM
We're Zionists a part of 911? I'm thinking based on what I'm reading here.  Yes likely.  As well as as flurry of other nations. Wasn't just them dam Jews lol.  I have Jewish blood dude although I don't practice Judaism.     Relax there ain't no hatred going on here.  Just Internet research on the topic.

And I'm saying "Zionists" weren't part of 9/11. I'm also saying the overwhelming evidence demonstrates who was behind 9/11 and why. Continuing to assert wild conspiracy theories about "Zionists" serves only one purpose: making people suspicious of Jews.

Anyway, it's clear that the people on this thread will continue to do what they're doing. I can only hope they'll fail. And hopefully die in a fire.
418  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Atlantic: Is It Time for Jews to Leave Europe? on: April 27, 2015, 10:40:12 AM
People are not born with a jew-hating gene.  Hate is learned from contact with jew haters.  It is essentially an oral tradition.  At least that is the theory that I'm working on.

And for many that contact comes early in life. Young children taught by teachers in Palestinian schools to hate the jew.

This is true. And it's paid for by billions of dollars of aid from around the world. I used to wonder why people go along with it. It didn't make sense to me for years. It makes a lot more sense if you start thinking those around the world giving the aid want Palestinian children to be taught to hate and kill Jews.
419  Other / Politics & Society / Re: International Zionism Did 911–23 facts on: April 26, 2015, 09:47:11 PM
  Seems to be quite a bit of this fear monger anti semitic rant going on in this thread when so far I have yet to see anti semitic comments.  Something to think about.

I'd also like to point out that the only people who've mentioned "antisemitism" in this thread are you and more-dick-please. Don't confuse antisemitism with Jew-hatred.


  Okay.  What's the difference between jew hatred - which also has only been mentioned or suggested by you as the motive of this thread, and antisemitism. 

   This post doesn't make much sense. Please fill me in on the definition between the two.  I kinda assumed jew hatred and antisemitism were the same thing.

Some years ago many of my left-wing friends started responding to any mention of antisemitism with the response "Well, you know, like, actually the Palestinians are semitic too, and stuff." Eventually I agreed that "antisemitism" is too vague of a term. The older German term Judenhass (Jew-hatred) is what I'm really describing. I don't think people look for ways to try to pin the blame on Jews for everything because they have problem with Semitic people. It's specifically a problem they have with Jews.
420  Other / Politics & Society / Re: International Zionism Did 911–23 facts on: April 26, 2015, 09:23:06 PM
  Seems to be quite a bit of this fear monger anti semitic rant going on in this thread when so far I have yet to see anti semitic comments.  Something to think about.

I'd also like to point out that the only people who've mentioned "antisemitism" in this thread are you and more-dick-please. Don't confuse antisemitism with Jew-hatred.
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