International Zionism Did 911–23 facts

[Spendulus]

 K man.  What is the actual truth.  I really do need to know.  ....Quit passing around and give some options at least.

And to keep thread on topic.   Is the inferred topic.  Mossad or Israel involvement in 911?
....some bitcoin-related advice. If you really believe evil Jews committed 9/11 and it's been covered up, then you can't believe those same evil Jews would let bitcoin succeed unless it was part of their evil grand plan to control the world. In either case, it's clear you should sell your bitcoins as soon as possible and stay away from cryptocurrencies. Or should I say ziocurrencies of cryptozionists !!11!1!!!

Look, I gotta come clean on all this.  Because I know for a FACT it wasn't Zionistaba Evil Jooeeesss.  How do I know?  Well, that's a long story with secret meetings and somethings that must remain hidden.

It was the Crypto-Illuminati Midget Alien Islamozionists from planet Caliphate in the binary star system, Dumb and Dumber.

[J. J. Phillips]

To learn more about the truth behind 9/11, I recommend the South Park episode "Mystery of the Urinal Deuce."

[arteleis]

  K man.  What is the actual truth.  I really do need to know.  Did the great tali an infiltrate the USA airspace? Based on the their extreme intelligence and technology? And did multiple building fall to the ground simply by steel frames being melted?  What happened.  Quit passing around and give some options at least.

And to keep thread on topic.   Is the inferred topic.  Mossad or Israel involvement in 911?

 Or the logic that foreign or third world intelligence surpasses the likes of 1st world infinitely funded intelligence? Cuz they don't drink? Or what's the goal here.   Kinda losing the point.  Answers or arguments are thin and mostly neglected by intelligence, rational and/or logical thinking 

Al Qaeda was behind the attack on 9/11. (They are not the same as the Taliban.) "Infiltrated the USA airspace" is misleading. It was a surprise attack using civilian aircraft at a time when people expected it to be a hijacking, not a suicide terrorist mission. It was a relatively simple and inexpensive attack that didn't require much money, intelligence or technology. The steel frames of the WTC were weakened by the fire causing the collapse. Mossad/Israel had nothing to do with it. It's possible some members of the Saudi royal family were involved and that this has been kept quiet to prevent a rift with an ally.

Now you know the truth and can relax.

Popular Mechanics did a nice article debunking the usual conspiracy theories about 9/11 many years ago. Probably you've all read some version of it. (There's even a book now apparently.) In case you haven't here are links I found:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a50/1230517/
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a49/1227842/
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5654/debunking-911-myths-planes/
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/ (This is the one to read if you want to learn about fire vs. steel.)
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5659/debunking-911-myths-pentagon/
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5688/debunking-911-myths-flight-93/

The reason most people don't bother to discuss any of this with you and you mostly hear from people who agree with you is simple: we've been down this road before and know the discussion is a waste of time. You already know what you believe and can't be convinced otherwise. Some people may even pretend to agree with you in real life in order to avoid conflict with a delusional person. Try to notice if they're backing away while agreeing with you.

Since we're on a bitcoin forum, let me give some bitcoin-related advice. If you really believe evil Jews committed 9/11 and it's been covered up, then you can't believe those same evil Jews would let bitcoin succeed unless it was part of their evil grand plan to control the world. In either case, it's clear you should sell your bitcoins as soon as possible and stay away from cryptocurrencies. Or should I say ziocurrencies of cryptozionists !!11!1!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CG7I4UnoBnA

  Yep after reading popular mechanics, I realized that videos like this make no sense.  Clearly the jet fuel filled the shafts and melted all the metal allowing the buildings to fall at freefall speed. It makes sense.  As it says.  There as a lot of paper and rugs burning too.  Which added to the inferno.
   
  And yes.  Obviously bitcoin was created for human freedom.  To think otherwise would be insane.

  You can read all my posts, never once did I say evil Jews did 911. Have I made up my mind who did 911? No.  But after reading popular mechanics.   It seems that what you say is entirely fact based.  Experts have obviously debunked all the radical conspiracy theories including the thousands of experts that disagree.

  Thanks.   For waking me up.  Now I can go back to my playstation and believing in the mainstream media more then before.  It's a great day.

[Spendulus]

....

  Thanks.   For waking me up.  Now I can go back to my playstation and believing in the mainstream media more then before.  It's a great day.

I can't.  A friend is hogging mine.  Okay, next best.

DEMOLITION VIDEO!

Here ya'go!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eem7d58gjno

By the way, after looking at this and the twin towers, clearly the twin towers collapsed from the same floors the airplanes hit.  Also, it appears (at least to me) that what this strikingly demonstrates is the inability to simply put a fire out high in a skyscraper, and the consequences of that.  If the fires could have been put out, none of the three buildings would have gone done.

[arteleis]

....

  Thanks.   For waking me up.  Now I can go back to my playstation and believing in the mainstream media more then before.  It's a great day.

I can't.  A friend is hogging mine.  Okay, next best.

DEMOLITION VIDEO!

Here ya'go!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eem7d58gjno

By the way, after looking at this and the twin towers, clearly the twin towers collapsed from the same floors the airplanes hit.  Also, it appears (at least to me) that what this strikingly demonstrates is the inability to simply put a fire out high in a skyscraper, and the consequences of that.  If the fires could have been put out, none of the three buildings would have gone done.

  I've actually subscribed now to popular mechanics.  The science behind the debunking of the debunked was staggering. I'm definitely removing all paper and rugs from my house.   As its made from wood. After reading popular mechanics, it really did make me nervous thinking that a fuel source could do that to an amount of steel that the towers was designed with to withstand pretty much any kind of catastrophe.. definitely replacing rugs with tile and papers with digital. 
   It's clear if my house was to catch fire it would be instantly reduced to ash in under 10 seconds. Or at the least the possibility exists.   Looking forward to my first issue of popular mechanics, thanks so much guys.

[Fuck NWO]

To those of you pushing this "International Zionism Did 911" bullshit: We know you're Nazis. I just wanted to make sure that you know we know.

I want you to know that we are leftists, and i want you to know that we are anti-NWOrderists. I just wanted to make sure that you know that we are anti-NWOrderists.

[Spendulus]

To those of you pushing this "International Zionism Did 911" bullshit: We know you're Nazis. I just wanted to make sure that you know we know.

I want you to know that we are leftists, and i want you to know that we are anti-NWOrderists. I just wanted to make sure that you know that we are anti-NWOrderists.

Personally I'm glad that you are not Nazis.  They are not only ridiculously old and usually in grey in the middle of black and white photos, but they were losers and we kicked their butts.

anti_NWOrderists does seem trendy.  But I'm having trouble coming up with an abbreviation.  See, NWO?  How nice that is.  Even Zion is short and to the point.  And Fascist is easy, too.

Oh, and most Jews are leftists.  As are most Jew-haters.

Weird, isn't it? Now let me go back to my delicious bacon.

[J. J. Phillips]

To those of you pushing this "International Zionism Did 911" bullshit: We know you're Nazis. I just wanted to make sure that you know we know.

I want you to know that we are leftists, and i want you to know that we are anti-NWOrderists. I just wanted to make sure that you know that we are anti-NWOrderists.

Only leftists think National Socialists are "right wing." The Nazis were also opposed to the NWO of the time. That's why they wanted a Berlin-centered socialism for Germany rather than a Moscow-centered socialism for the world.

Good luck opposing the NWO by blaming the Jews for things they didn't do. Very novel approach.

[arteleis]

To those of you pushing this "International Zionism Did 911" bullshit: We know you're Nazis. I just wanted to make sure that you know we know.

I want you to know that we are leftists, and i want you to know that we are anti-NWOrderists. I just wanted to make sure that you know that we are anti-NWOrderists.

Only leftists think National Socialists are "right wing." The Nazis were also opposed to the NWO of the time. That's why they wanted a Berlin-centered socialism for Germany rather than a Moscow-centered socialism for the world.

Good luck opposing the NWO by blaming the Jews for things they didn't do. Very novel approach.

 In case you didn't notice or obviously can't read... Or suppose you only read what pleases you. 

   Hey.  Jews and Zionists aren't the same thing.  Zionism is a state that obviously doesn't practice Judaism.   You'll of course find many orthodox Jews being persecuted under the Zionist regime..  which has strange tones of the nazis.. Also persecuted under the Zionist regime are Muslims and Christians.

   In fact there is even Christian Zionist lobbyist groups...  so please dude.  Stop yelling the Jews didn't do it! Cuz I don't think that's what's being talked about here.  Judaism is under attack as well because of Zionism from multiple angles. 

   If you're a Zionist then your responses are adequate and should be assumed.  Do you believe In Zionism? 
 

[arteleis]

Zionism is Jewish nationalism in the form of a sectarian, colonial enterprise which, in the process of creating and then expanding in the Arab heartland a state for some Jews, made a mockery of Judaism's moral values and ethical principles and demonstrated contempt for international law and the human and political rights of the Palestinians
  Supporters of Israel right or wrong conflate Judaism and Zionism because the assertion that they are one and the same enables them to claim that criticism of the Zionist state of Israel is a manifestation of anti-Semitism. Often, almost always these days, the accusation that criticism of Israel is anti-Semitism is false. And this false charge is the blackmail card played to silence criticism of, and suppress informed and honest debate about, the Zionist state and its policies

  In the interest of explaining mossad and getting back to the OP,
 the Mossad often receives information from the CIA, while it has a policy of never giving such information out - even if the lives of Americans are in danger. Also, we discover that a super-secret division of the Mossad (called Al) is active in New York and Washington - engaged in spying on American citizens, recruiting Jewish "helpers", and carrying out covert activities. It employs between 24 and 27 field personnel, and most of their activity is with U.S. borders (primarily New York and Washington)

 thanks to the threat of anti-Semitism, the Mossad can tap the "significant and loyal cadre of the worldwide Jewish community outside Israel." These volunteer Jewish helpers, placed in convenient positions, can, say, help agents secure documents from their employer's office, or money if needed, or keys to a person's room in the hotel where they work (for assassination).

Apparently the threat of anti-Semitism, which is exaggerated by groups to enforce cohesivity, results in a reflexive betrayal of social positions and trusts whenever the specter of anti-Semitism is manifested by Mossad agents.

  Seems to be quite a bit of this fear monger anti semitic rant going on in this thread when so far I have yet to see anti semitic comments.  Something to think about.
 

[arteleis]

Also back at the op.  Believe second post re fenced what would be the motive?

 
  Something else interesting I've found

The Persian Gulf War

"Even as early as May 1, 1986 was the Mossad working on building up Saddam Hussein as a great threat to the world. The main reason for this was the threat his giant armies posed to Israel after the Iran-Iraq war which had previously occupied him. This is the REAL reason we bombed Iraq. The story of this Jewish action is of greater complexity, since it spanned a greater length of time - in which the American public was successively propagandized through a wide variety of sources.

"The Mossad's psychological warfare machine activated every agent it had, including volunteer agents in Amnesty international and fully bought members of the U.S. congress to portray Saddam Hussein as a great threat to the world. Grisly footage of the Mossad-financed Kurds who were killed, casualties of the ongoing guerrilla war with Bagdad, were shown on Jewish run U.S. television.

"An Iraqi explosives factory was blown up by Mossad operatives to generate publicity about the gigantic and powerful military arsenal that Saddam was bulding. And after the explosion, when the Iraqis invited journalists to see how their rebuilding efforts were going, a Mossad agent approached a former agent, who had been caught prying into Mossad affairs in search of a story, to join the reporters going to Iraq to gather information on the factory - threatening to reveal his criminal background if he didn't participate in the action. This former agent was caught spying in Iraq, arrested, and hanged. We were led by our press to believe that he was a 'Western journalist'.

"To further exascerbate the situation, a Mossad sayanin [a member of the Jewish community who helps out Mossad agents] sent documents to ABC television with a story from a 'reliable' Middle Eastern source telling of a plant Saddam had for the manufacturing of uranium - to suggest that he was developing nuclear capability. 

Through the bullet-riddled body of Gerald Bull [assassinated by the Mossad], the eyes of the world would be made to focus on his work: the Iraqi giant gun project called Babylon. The timing had to be right, though; Bull's well-publicized demise had to come right after an act of terror by the regime in Baghdad, an act that could not be mistaken for an accident or a provocation. The hanging of the Observer 'reporter' on March 15 was such an act."

"In the following weeks, more and more 'discoveries' were made regarding the big gun and other elements of the Saddam war machine. The Mossad had all but saturated the intelligence field with information regarding the evil intentions of 'Saddam the Terrible', banking on the fact that before long, he'd have enough rope to hang himself.... The Mossad leaders know that if they could make Saddam appear bad enough and a threat to the Gulf oil supply, of which he'd been the protector up to that point, then the United States and its allies would not let him get away with anything, but would take measures that would all but eliminate his army and his weapons potential, especially if they were led to believe that this might just be their last chance before he went nuclear."

It worked, the Americans were fooled. And approximately SIX-HUNDRED Americans died in the conflict - a fact which has been effectively down-played by the media.

[Spendulus]

  Seems to be quite a bit of this fear monger anti semitic rant going on in this thread when so far I have yet to see anti semitic comments.  Something to think about.
 

You may be wasting time splitting hairs.  "Jews did not do 911" includes "Zionists did not do 911."

[J. J. Phillips]

  Seems to be quite a bit of this fear monger anti semitic rant going on in this thread when so far I have yet to see anti semitic comments.  Something to think about.

I'd also like to point out that the only people who've mentioned "antisemitism" in this thread are you and more-dick-please. Don't confuse antisemitism with Jew-hatred.

[arteleis]

  Seems to be quite a bit of this fear monger anti semitic rant going on in this thread when so far I have yet to see anti semitic comments.  Something to think about.
 

You may be wasting time splitting hairs.  "Jews did not do 911" includes "Zionists did not do 911."

   Uh no meant that looking into reports of Zionists having to do with the attacks, has absolutely nothing to do with jew hating.  Questioning Israel also doesn't mean someone hates Jews.   Anti semitism is the weapon of silence. Racism on any account is an act of ignorance.

[arteleis]

  Seems to be quite a bit of this fear monger anti semitic rant going on in this thread when so far I have yet to see anti semitic comments.  Something to think about.

I'd also like to point out that the only people who've mentioned "antisemitism" in this thread are you and more-dick-please. Don't confuse antisemitism with Jew-hatred.

  Okay.  What's the difference between jew hatred - which also has only been mentioned or suggested by you as the motive of this thread, and antisemitism. 

   This post doesn't make much sense. Please fill me in on the definition between the two.  I kinda assumed jew hatred and antisemitism were the same thing.

[J. J. Phillips]

  Seems to be quite a bit of this fear monger anti semitic rant going on in this thread when so far I have yet to see anti semitic comments.  Something to think about.

I'd also like to point out that the only people who've mentioned "antisemitism" in this thread are you and more-dick-please. Don't confuse antisemitism with Jew-hatred.

  Okay.  What's the difference between jew hatred - which also has only been mentioned or suggested by you as the motive of this thread, and antisemitism. 

   This post doesn't make much sense. Please fill me in on the definition between the two.  I kinda assumed jew hatred and antisemitism were the same thing.

Some years ago many of my left-wing friends started responding to any mention of antisemitism with the response "Well, you know, like, actually the Palestinians are semitic too, and stuff." Eventually I agreed that "antisemitism" is too vague of a term. The older German term Judenhass (Jew-hatred) is what I'm really describing. I don't think people look for ways to try to pin the blame on Jews for everything because they have problem with Semitic people. It's specifically a problem they have with Jews.

[Fuck NWO]

If I see in the street a NWOrderist, i'll kick his ass...

[arteleis]

  Seems to be quite a bit of this fear monger anti semitic rant going on in this thread when so far I have yet to see anti semitic comments.  Something to think about.

I'd also like to point out that the only people who've mentioned "antisemitism" in this thread are you and more-dick-please. Don't confuse antisemitism with Jew-hatred.

  Okay.  What's the difference between jew hatred - which also has only been mentioned or suggested by you as the motive of this thread, and antisemitism. 

   This post doesn't make much sense. Please fill me in on the definition between the two.  I kinda assumed jew hatred and antisemitism were the same thing.

Some years ago many of my left-wing friends started responding to any mention of antisemitism with the response "Well, you know, like, actually the Palestinians are semitic too, and stuff." Eventually I agreed that "antisemitism" is too vague of a term. The older German term Judenhass (Jew-hatred) is what I'm really describing. I don't think people look for ways to try to pin the blame on Jews for everything because they have problem with Semitic people. It's specifically a problem they have with Jews.

  Well.  I don't think there's been any Judenhass in this thread.  So not too sure why it came up or you think I'm a  dickhead.  Lol dude I've been in think pretty objective to the context of OP and the responses without hating or slandering anyone.

  But maybe there'll be a quote you find.   If I've projected hatred in anyway I do apologize. Wasn't the intention.  The question is of course.  We're Zionists a part of 911? I'm thinking based on what I'm reading here.  Yes likely.  As well as as flurry of other nations. Wasn't just them dam Jews lol.  I have Jewish blood dude although I don't practice Judaism.     Relax there ain't no hatred going on here.  Just Internet research on the topic.

[arteleis]

If I see in the street a NWOrderist, i'll kick his ass...

  What is NWOrderist?  Sounds vague.

[arteleis]

**applause** good post will check out that vid and Mena arkansas